[Sugar-devel] no way to unsubscribe
Hi, http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar is now redirected to the sugar-devel list on Sugar Labs. How am I supposed to unsubscribe now? Feel free to unsubscribe me directly. Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
well this entire conversation was really brought about because I couldnt practice speech with my 2 nephews... Im sorry if I crossed the line a bit, but I think what I said needed to be said... SoaS is indeed the best plqtform right now and the kids not only loved it (one 9 the other 3) they needed no explanation for the interface... to them it was as natural as eating a piece of bread. On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche >> wrote: >>> Im gonna try and make this easy: >>> >>> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >>> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >>> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed >>> stick? >> >> Aleksey Lim recently took over this orphaned package. Can you get in touch >> with him (alsroot on IRC) and help work it out? I have yet to even try SoaS >> but information on what activities do and don't work should be posted to >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus so we can triage them. >> We are watching that page. Thus far most of our work has been migrating >> activities over to SL.org but hopefully we can start actually getting them >> to work on SoaS soon. > > On a sidenote: some of the most exciting work for me last summer was > Hemant's text-to-speech work, which would have real impact if its > integration into Sugar were completed. How close is that to being > possible? > >> http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but I >> can't guarantee it works on anything but XO. > > [Getting pretty hot...] > > SJ > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] sugar.profile.jabber_registered and sugar.profile.is_registered() are deprecated?
Working with sucrose-0.82, I was surprised to discover that - there is no codepath that will set jabber_registered to true - the only reliable thing to use is profile.jabber_server - profile.is_registered() not consistent with either... I guess sugar devs already know this, Simon has removed all this cruft. What is the new way of asking whether the XO is registered? Is there a reasonable idiom that will work on 0.82 and current 'master'? cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] XFT emacs rocks on the XO...
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Also, the XO ships with a very limited vim. yum install vim-enhanced > has improved my part-time vim usage. can we fix this in the next refresh? how much extra space did it take? vim is useful. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] XFT emacs rocks on the XO...
Stock F9 emacs isn't very usable on the XO screen, unfortunately. Lack of fonts and high dpi make it rather painful. After struggling a bit to get a comfy hacking/editing environment on my XOs, I ended up installing the precooked Xft-enabled emacs rpms, as per: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emacs and after setting a nice readable font... I'm very happy with the setup. Also, the XO ships with a very limited vim. yum install vim-enhanced has improved my part-time vim usage. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Little bits of atomicity...
Hacking on bits of Browse is taking me down the path of reading various random bits of Sugar. And I wanted to drop a quick note... Modern POSIX systems give us a cheap safe atomic way of dealing with updates to small files: write to a tempfile and move it into place. Opening a critical file in place for update is fraught with problems, specially on a device where power is not guaranteed... ... like a schoolserver or a laptop... (That's the mantra I've taken with the XS. All the code must be failsafe.) Anyway, I tried to craft a patch for profile.py, only to find it's now gone gconf. So no patch today :-/ Having switched to gconf, I wonder, is there a plan for what to do when people need to fiddle with their Sugar config stuff? gconftool is significantly harder to use than nano or vi. cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche > wrote: >> Im gonna try and make this easy: >> >> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed >> stick? > > Aleksey Lim recently took over this orphaned package. Can you get in touch > with him (alsroot on IRC) and help work it out? I have yet to even try SoaS > but information on what activities do and don't work should be posted to > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus so we can triage them. > We are watching that page. Thus far most of our work has been migrating > activities over to SL.org but hopefully we can start actually getting them > to work on SoaS soon. On a sidenote: some of the most exciting work for me last summer was Hemant's text-to-speech work, which would have real impact if its integration into Sugar were completed. How close is that to being possible? > http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but I > can't guarantee it works on anything but XO. [Getting pretty hot...] SJ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Deployment Training 101 course, now in moodle
http://moodle.olenepal.org/course/view.php?id=28 you can try it out by logging in as guest This is the course I am giving to Nepal's deployment vlounteers -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > I am dogfooding a bit with the Fedora SoaS. My Thinkpad X40 ... Excellent news. Here's to more SL'ers doing the same :-) >> Wearing my XSA hat, I want to get my hands on that second Sugar >> platform and test interop with the XS. > > Yes, we need SoaS to work with the XS It will not be ready for any > deployment until we can back up and restore to an XS. Its just too easy to > lose a USB stick and then have lost all your data. Cool. Quick notes on what would need to happen... - ds-backup getting packaged for debian, at least the client side. If you have patches to offer that bring in a 'debian/' directory, I'll merge them in... - ds-backup server and client need to handle the repo format transition as discussed w Tomeu (IIRC, this is important for sites upgrading, so SoAS might not be affected...) SoAS seems (from afar) the most active and promising platform, so... yay! cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
God I a m happy u stated the needed. We hqd a presentation in Grqz, Austria, where basically we walked out like idiots. We got loqds of feedback, which is what my message as about... but fact remains SoaS, be if fedora (a slight bit better) or ubuntu.. we as educators, marketers can only shake our heads... On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche > wrote: >> >> Caroline, I really don't think the problem is lack of testing in the case >> of Ubuntu. It is that so little works that activity testing is basically a >> smoke test (turn it on and see if it even comes up). And because the only >> status report is a bunch of individual bug reports, there is a high barrier >> to entry. My strategy has been to try every week or so to update the >> packages on my Ubuntu laptop and try launching everything. Most packaged >> activities don't launch. >> >> As for SOAS, my experience working in a classroom tells me there is no >> point in bothering with it until the boot time is substantially reduced, >> except for the special case of a computer lab. Since my particular school >> environments and Sugar/OLPC targets don't include that mode, I personally >> have not been trying it out. > > FWIW, my deployment timeline for SoaS at the Gardner School is informal > usage this summer and classroom usage in the Fall. Anyone using it on a > more aggressive timeline should be aware that they are ahead of me and > breaking new ground and plan accordingly. > >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Caroline Meeks >> wrote: >>> >>> hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm >>> not a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity >>> team then we should try to use it. >>> >>> Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. >>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick >>> >>> I think our underlying problem is that there is not very much testing >>> being done. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: We are trying to gather activity status information at http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be reported in the Remarks column. But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test results posted there. -Wade On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > > Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which > release? > > If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system > schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: > http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche > wrote: >> >> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted >> upon (much more importantly) >> >> Im gonna try and make this easy: >> >> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed >> stick? >> >> ubuntu - >> no read >> no write >> no jiggzawpuzzle >> etoys >> scratch >> epathi >> measure >> anything tam tam based >> until very recently even browse >> pdf reader of any kind >> measure >> distance >> slider >> video chat >> abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) >> >> ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... >> >> >> what is the solution: >> >> we test the damn tings before release we do what greg >> dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: >> >> 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on >> the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... >> the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: >> Examples: >> >> 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever >> the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph >> based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... >> >> guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked >> for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet >> exist. >> >> 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction >> groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... >> >> >> 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say >> this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when >> working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... >> yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing >> list to get the, i
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > First of all, IMO the *only* stable Sugar OS is OLPC XO Software 8.2.0 > > running on XO or emulator. As far as I know, none of the other > > distributions has caught up in terms of activity support. > > FWIW, I am keeping an eye on this, hoping that a second Sugar platform > emerges. The questions in the back of my mind are: > > - What are you guys running / developing on? > - What are you guys testing? > - Are any SL'ers dogfooding 100% of their computer time? (as now > Sugar is closer to Just Working on conventional laptops) On what > platform? I am dogfooding a bit with the Fedora SoaS. My Thinkpad X40 under XP has trouble connecting to the wireless at school so I've been using SoaS to take notes during class. It has no problem connecting to the wireless, using browse to let me take notes in google docs, and this week I was able to download and open word docs. I can read gmail. I can play with turtle art if I get board. :) > > Wearing my XSA hat, I want to get my hands on that second Sugar > platform and test interop with the XS. Yes, we need SoaS to work with the XS It will not be ready for any deployment until we can back up and restore to an XS. Its just too easy to lose a USB stick and then have lost all your data. > > Wearing my "wellington volunteer tester" hat, I want to know if > there's a non OLPCXO OS we should be targetting. > > cheers, > > > > martin > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) > Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? > > ubuntu - > no read > no write > no jiggzawpuzzle > etoys > scratch > epathi > measure > anything tam tam based > until very recently even browse > pdf reader of any kind > measure > distance > slider > video chat > abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) > > ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... > > It might help to just give up on Ubuntu and just work with Fedora. We've documented the issue with libabiword on Ubuntu and Debian very, very clearly for many months. Martin Sevior ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > First of all, IMO the *only* stable Sugar OS is OLPC XO Software 8.2.0 > running on XO or emulator. As far as I know, none of the other > distributions has caught up in terms of activity support. FWIW, I am keeping an eye on this, hoping that a second Sugar platform emerges. The questions in the back of my mind are: - What are you guys running / developing on? - What are you guys testing? - Are any SL'ers dogfooding 100% of their computer time? (as now Sugar is closer to Just Working on conventional laptops) On what platform? Wearing my XSA hat, I want to get my hands on that second Sugar platform and test interop with the XS. Wearing my "wellington volunteer tester" hat, I want to know if there's a non OLPCXO OS we should be targetting. cheers, martin -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: > Caroline, I really don't think the problem is lack of testing in the case > of Ubuntu. It is that so little works that activity testing is basically a > smoke test (turn it on and see if it even comes up). And because the only > status report is a bunch of individual bug reports, there is a high barrier > to entry. My strategy has been to try every week or so to update the > packages on my Ubuntu laptop and try launching everything. Most packaged > activities don't launch. > > As for SOAS, my experience working in a classroom tells me there is no > point in bothering with it until the boot time is substantially reduced, > except for the special case of a computer lab. Since my particular school > environments and Sugar/OLPC targets don't include that mode, I personally > have not been trying it out. FWIW, my deployment timeline for SoaS at the Gardner School is informal usage this summer and classroom usage in the Fall. Anyone using it on a more aggressive timeline should be aware that they are ahead of me and breaking new ground and plan accordingly. > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Caroline Meeks < > carol...@solutiongrove.com> wrote: > >> hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm not >> a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity >> team then we should try to use it. >> >> Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick >> >> I think our underlying problem is that there is not very much testing >> being done. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: >> >>> We are trying to gather activity status information at >>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' >>> tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be >>> reported in the Remarks column. >>> >>> But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test >>> results posted there. >>> >>> -Wade >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks < >>> solutiongr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which release? If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche >>> > wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) > Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed > stick? > > ubuntu - > no read > no write > no jiggzawpuzzle > etoys > scratch > epathi > measure > anything tam tam based > until very recently even browse > pdf reader of any kind > measure > distance > slider > video chat > abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) > > ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... > > > what is the solution: > > we test the damn tings before release we do what greg > dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: > > 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on > the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... > the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: > Examples: > > 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever > the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph > based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... > > guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked > for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet > exist. > > 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction > groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... > > > 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say > this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when > working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... > yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing > list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll > actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; > > 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get > together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will > really chqnge the world) > > I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into > creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... let
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
Wade, Maybe if we were clearer on what needed to be done with activity testing and how to do it we could get more help. somewhere it would be good to have a place people could go to to know which activities to test (maybe even a rank order of what is important and untested) and how to report the results. If I had volunteer testers how could we best collaborate with the activity team? There is a local event on Thursday evening and I'm hoping to get some people there excited about testing activities using SoaS. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > The purpose of the page is just to keep all the information in one place > while we sort it out Feel free to email notes to us in another format > and we'll post it. And I agree that not much testing has been done. > > David, my understanding of Moodle is that it's a user (educator or student) > facing interface, not a development organization system. So far I have been > trying to keep all the information regarding developing the activities in > the ActivityTeam wiki. > > -Wade > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Caroline Meeks < > carol...@solutiongrove.com> wrote: > >> hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm not >> a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity >> team then we should try to use it. >> >> Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick >> >> I think our underlying problem is that there is not very much testing >> being done. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: >> >>> We are trying to gather activity status information at >>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' >>> tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be >>> reported in the Remarks column. >>> >>> But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test >>> results posted there. >>> >>> -Wade >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks < >>> solutiongr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which release? If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche >>> > wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) > Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed > stick? > > ubuntu - > no read > no write > no jiggzawpuzzle > etoys > scratch > epathi > measure > anything tam tam based > until very recently even browse > pdf reader of any kind > measure > distance > slider > video chat > abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) > > ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... > > > what is the solution: > > we test the damn tings before release we do what greg > dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: > > 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on > the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... > the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: > Examples: > > 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever > the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph > based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... > > guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked > for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet > exist. > > 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction > groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... > > > 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say > this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when > working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... > yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing > list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll > actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; > > 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get > together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will > really chqnge the world) > > I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into > creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar > mean something for teachers > > David (nubae) Van Ass
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
Thanks David and if you need any modules installed let us know. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:29 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > u do realise that it was me that set up the moodle infrastructure > right? except I a was alone... > > > nubae > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > We are trying to gather activity status information at > > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' > tag > > which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be reported > in > > the Remarks column. > > > > But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test > > results posted there. > > > > -Wade > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks < > solutiongr...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which > >> release? > >> > >> If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system > >> schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: > >> http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > >>> upon (much more importantly) > >>> > >>> Im gonna try and make this easy: > >>> > >>> SoaS - the latest fedora core based > >>> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) > >>> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed > >>> stick? > >>> > >>> ubuntu - > >>> no read > >>> no write > >>> no jiggzawpuzzle > >>> etoys > >>> scratch > >>> epathi > >>> measure > >>> anything tam tam based > >>> until very recently even browse > >>> pdf reader of any kind > >>> measure > >>> distance > >>> slider > >>> video chat > >>> abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) > >>> > >>> ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... > >>> > >>> > >>> what is the solution: > >>> > >>> we test the damn tings before release we do what greg > >>> dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: > >>> > >>> 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on > >>> the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... > >>> the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: > >>> Examples: > >>> > >>> 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever > >>> the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph > >>> based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... > >>> > >>> guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked > >>> for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet > >>> exist. > >>> > >>> 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction > >>> groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... > >>> > >>> > >>> 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say > >>> this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when > >>> working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... > >>> yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing > >>> list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll > >>> actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; > >>> > >>> 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get > >>> together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will > >>> really chqnge the world) > >>> > >>> I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into > >>> creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar > >>> mean something for teachers > >>> > >>> David (nubae) Van Assche > >>> ___ > >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Caroline Meeks > >> Solution Grove > >> carol...@solutiongrove.com > >> > >> 617-500-3488 - Office > >> 505-213-3268 - Fax > >> > >> ___ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
Caroline, I really don't think the problem is lack of testing in the case of Ubuntu. It is that so little works that activity testing is basically a smoke test (turn it on and see if it even comes up). And because the only status report is a bunch of individual bug reports, there is a high barrier to entry. My strategy has been to try every week or so to update the packages on my Ubuntu laptop and try launching everything. Most packaged activities don't launch. As for SOAS, my experience working in a classroom tells me there is no point in bothering with it until the boot time is substantially reduced, except for the special case of a computer lab. Since my particular school environments and Sugar/OLPC targets don't include that mode, I personally have not been trying it out. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm not > a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity > team then we should try to use it. > > Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick > > I think our underlying problem is that there is not very much testing being > done. > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > >> We are trying to gather activity status information at >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' >> tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be >> reported in the Remarks column. >> >> But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test >> results posted there. >> >> -Wade >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks > > wrote: >> >>> Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which >>> release? >>> >>> If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system >>> schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: >>> http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche >>> wrote: >>> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted upon (much more importantly) Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? ubuntu - no read no write no jiggzawpuzzle etoys scratch epathi measure anything tam tam based until very recently even browse pdf reader of any kind measure distance slider video chat abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... what is the solution: we test the damn tings before release we do what greg dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: Examples: 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet exist. 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will really chqnge the world) I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar mean something for teachers David (nubae) Van Assche ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Caroline Meeks >>> Solution Grove >>> carol...@solutiongrove.com >>> >>> 617-500-3488 - Office >>> 505-213-3268 - Fax >>> >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
The purpose of the page is just to keep all the information in one place while we sort it out Feel free to email notes to us in another format and we'll post it. And I agree that not much testing has been done. David, my understanding of Moodle is that it's a user (educator or student) facing interface, not a development organization system. So far I have been trying to keep all the information regarding developing the activities in the ActivityTeam wiki. -Wade On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm not > a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity > team then we should try to use it. > > Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. > http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick > > I think our underlying problem is that there is not very much testing being > done. > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > >> We are trying to gather activity status information at >> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' >> tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be >> reported in the Remarks column. >> >> But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test >> results posted there. >> >> -Wade >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks > > wrote: >> >>> Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which >>> release? >>> >>> If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system >>> schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: >>> http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche >>> wrote: >>> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted upon (much more importantly) Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? ubuntu - no read no write no jiggzawpuzzle etoys scratch epathi measure anything tam tam based until very recently even browse pdf reader of any kind measure distance slider video chat abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... what is the solution: we test the damn tings before release we do what greg dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: Examples: 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet exist. 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will really chqnge the world) I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar mean something for teachers David (nubae) Van Assche ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Caroline Meeks >>> Solution Grove >>> carol...@solutiongrove.com >>> >>> 617-500-3488 - Office >>> 505-213-3268 - Fax >>> >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >> >> > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarla
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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) Thanks for the frank report. Hopefully it will help spur some action :) It's also a good opportunity to highlight the work that *is* going on. First of all, IMO the *only* stable Sugar OS is OLPC XO Software 8.2.0 running on XO or emulator. As far as I know, none of the other distributions has caught up in terms of activity support. > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) > Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? Aleksey Lim recently took over this orphaned package. Can you get in touch with him (alsroot on IRC) and help work it out? I have yet to even try SoaS but information on what activities do and don't work should be posted to http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus so we can triage them. We are watching that page. Thus far most of our work has been migrating activities over to SL.org but hopefully we can start actually getting them to work on SoaS soon. > ubuntu - > no read > no write > no jiggzawpuzzle > etoys > scratch > epathi > measure > anything tam tam based > until very recently even browse > pdf reader of any kind > measure > distance > slider > video chat > abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) I haven't tried Sugar on Ubuntu but this sounds pretty bad. Are these activities installed from .xo files or from apt? > 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on > the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... > the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: > Examples: http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ProjectIdeas SL educator mailing list sounds like a great idea. > 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever > the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph > based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... I've been working on filling this gap since November. http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but I can't guarantee it works on anything but XO. > 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction > groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... There are two active math projects right now. Tony Anderson is working on Image Quiz Plus which will be great for multiplication tables and the like. There is also Urko Fernandez's Assimilate activity. Also Peter Moxhay is doing great work on introductory math exercises (ie learning the concept of number). Hopefully he will have a release ready before too long. > I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into > creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar > mean something for teachers I'm right there with you. I've been trying to get some basic activities (beyond the 9 or so that have been shipping w/Sugar for 2 years) my whole time with the project. Best regards, Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
hmm, ok I find that page pretty confusing and hard to use but then I'm not a wiki is all type person. If its working for you and your the activity team then we should try to use it. Maybe you could cross link from the SoaS page. http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick I think our underlying problem is that there is not very much testing being done. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:26 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > We are trying to gather activity status information at > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' > tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be > reported in the Remarks column. > > But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test > results posted there. > > -Wade > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks > wrote: > >> Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which >> release? >> >> If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system >> schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: >> http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche >> wrote: >> >>> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted >>> upon (much more importantly) >>> >>> Im gonna try and make this easy: >>> >>> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >>> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >>> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed >>> stick? >>> >>> ubuntu - >>> no read >>> no write >>> no jiggzawpuzzle >>> etoys >>> scratch >>> epathi >>> measure >>> anything tam tam based >>> until very recently even browse >>> pdf reader of any kind >>> measure >>> distance >>> slider >>> video chat >>> abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) >>> >>> ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... >>> >>> >>> what is the solution: >>> >>> we test the damn tings before release we do what greg >>> dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: >>> >>> 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on >>> the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... >>> the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: >>> Examples: >>> >>> 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever >>> the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph >>> based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... >>> >>> guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked >>> for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet >>> exist. >>> >>> 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction >>> groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... >>> >>> >>> 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say >>> this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when >>> working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... >>> yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing >>> list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll >>> actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; >>> >>> 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get >>> together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will >>> really chqnge the world) >>> >>> I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into >>> creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar >>> mean something for teachers >>> >>> David (nubae) Van Assche >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Caroline Meeks >> Solution Grove >> carol...@solutiongrove.com >> >> 617-500-3488 - Office >> 505-213-3268 - Fax >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
u do realise that it was me that set up the moodle infrastructure right? except I a was alone... nubae On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > We are trying to gather activity status information at > http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' tag > which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be reported in > the Remarks column. > > But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test > results posted there. > > -Wade > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks > wrote: >> >> Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which >> release? >> >> If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system >> schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: >> http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche >> wrote: >>> >>> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted >>> upon (much more importantly) >>> >>> Im gonna try and make this easy: >>> >>> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >>> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >>> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed >>> stick? >>> >>> ubuntu - >>> no read >>> no write >>> no jiggzawpuzzle >>> etoys >>> scratch >>> epathi >>> measure >>> anything tam tam based >>> until very recently even browse >>> pdf reader of any kind >>> measure >>> distance >>> slider >>> video chat >>> abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) >>> >>> ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... >>> >>> >>> what is the solution: >>> >>> we test the damn tings before release we do what greg >>> dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: >>> >>> 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on >>> the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... >>> the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: >>> Examples: >>> >>> 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever >>> the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph >>> based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... >>> >>> guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked >>> for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet >>> exist. >>> >>> 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction >>> groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... >>> >>> >>> 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say >>> this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when >>> working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... >>> yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing >>> list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll >>> actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; >>> >>> 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get >>> together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will >>> really chqnge the world) >>> >>> I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into >>> creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar >>> mean something for teachers >>> >>> David (nubae) Van Assche >>> ___ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> >> >> -- >> Caroline Meeks >> Solution Grove >> carol...@solutiongrove.com >> >> 617-500-3488 - Office >> 505-213-3268 - Fax >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
We are trying to gather activity status information at http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus - there is a 'soas' tag which indicates the activity works on SoaS, any errors should be reported in the Remarks column. But despite a few public requests we haven't managed to get any SoaS test results posted there. -Wade On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which release? > > If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system > schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: > http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > >> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted >> upon (much more importantly) >> >> Im gonna try and make this easy: >> >> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed >> stick? >> >> ubuntu - >> no read >> no write >> no jiggzawpuzzle >> etoys >> scratch >> epathi >> measure >> anything tam tam based >> until very recently even browse >> pdf reader of any kind >> measure >> distance >> slider >> video chat >> abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) >> >> ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... >> >> >> what is the solution: >> >> we test the damn tings before release we do what greg >> dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: >> >> 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on >> the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... >> the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: >> Examples: >> >> 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever >> the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph >> based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... >> >> guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked >> for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet >> exist. >> >> 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction >> groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... >> >> >> 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say >> this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when >> working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... >> yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing >> list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll >> actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; >> >> 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get >> together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will >> really chqnge the world) >> >> I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into >> creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar >> mean something for teachers >> >> David (nubae) Van Assche >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:07:02PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > [Ubuntu python-gconf has RPATH setting] >> >> If this turns out to be the case, you should probably file a bugreport >> against Ubuntu. > > Done. [1] > > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python/+bug/327671 Thanks very much everyone, I removed the RPATH using chrpath and now sugar is working. Alex. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
Do we have a place for testers to record the what works with which release? If not perhaps someone could set it up on the moodle system schools.sugarlab.org using the moodle database module: http://docs.moodle.org/en/Database_module On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) > Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? > > ubuntu - > no read > no write > no jiggzawpuzzle > etoys > scratch > epathi > measure > anything tam tam based > until very recently even browse > pdf reader of any kind > measure > distance > slider > video chat > abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) > > ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... > > > what is the solution: > > we test the damn tings before release we do what greg > dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: > > 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on > the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... > the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: > Examples: > > 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever > the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph > based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... > > guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked > for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet > exist. > > 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction > groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... > > > 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say > this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when > working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... > yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing > list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll > actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; > > 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get > together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will > really chqnge the world) > > I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into > creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar > mean something for teachers > > David (nubae) Van Assche > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
you know what the irony is with all this... all we need to do to get those packs working is type ./configure --with-libabiword I know because I took the painful step of doing it in from source... this problem has now existed for 8 months... u tell me if that is acceptable or not. u know the worst part of this entire debacle... only the packzge ,aintainer can fix this 2 second fix::: but obviously he has more important things to do. I aplogogize again for my tone... but this has gone to far... folks like u and me that are in the field selling this `crap`should not be remotemy having these issues... come on people... u want funding... let us do our job then!!! Nubae On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: > Frustration -- yup. > > However, let's try to come up with a way forward that solves the problem in > the sort-of near term, and the frustration in the very near term. > > I too have been trying to run sugar on ubuntu and having frustration. So, > what I think would minimize the frustration is a known place to look for the > current state of what works, what doesn't work and why, and a way to work > around the problem till it has a permanent fix. It's obvious from the > sugar-ubuntu list that quite a few people are finding and fixing bugs, but > the fixes are in various stages of hitting the repositories. > > E.g. and correct if this is inaccurate, it looks to me like the first > problem you hit with write and jigsawpuzzle is that abiword hasn't been > repackaged to provide a "libabiword", and the people who can actually do > that (the abiword project) haven't bought into or gotten around to this > yet. So can someone provide a different package, even an rpm that could be > installed with alien? and could the location of where to get this be noted > in the "state of the sugar ubuntu nation"? Same with other known problems > that have been figured out but not percolated into a distributed fix. > > Rinse and repeat for SOAS and any other distros floating around. This would > at least make clear what is known to be wrong, and steps underway to fix. > > As for the second point, namely providing activities requested by teachers, > I agree it is important, and I think Wade has an almost-ready typing tutor > (google these lists for a prior thread on this). > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David Van Assche > wrote: >> >> ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted >> upon (much more importantly) >> >> Im gonna try and make this easy: >> >> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >> Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed >> stick? >> >> ubuntu - >> no read >> no write >> no jiggzawpuzzle >> etoys >> scratch >> epathi >> measure >> anything tam tam based >> until very recently even browse >> pdf reader of any kind >> measure >> distance >> slider >> video chat >> abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) >> >> ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... >> >> >> what is the solution: >> >> we test the damn tings before release we do what greg >> dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: >> >> 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on >> the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... >> the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: >> Examples: >> >> 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever >> the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph >> based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... >> >> guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked >> for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet >> exist. >> >> 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction >> groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... >> >> >> 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say >> this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when >> working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... >> yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing >> list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll >> actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; >> >> 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get >> together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will >> really chqnge the world) >> >> I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into >> creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar >> mean something for teachers >> >> David (nubae) Van Assche >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > "It is difficult to get a man to unde
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
Frustration -- yup. However, let's try to come up with a way forward that solves the problem in the sort-of near term, and the frustration in the very near term. I too have been trying to run sugar on ubuntu and having frustration. So, what I think would minimize the frustration is a known place to look for the current state of what works, what doesn't work and why, and a way to work around the problem till it has a permanent fix. It's obvious from the sugar-ubuntu list that quite a few people are finding and fixing bugs, but the fixes are in various stages of hitting the repositories. E.g. and correct if this is inaccurate, it looks to me like the first problem you hit with write and jigsawpuzzle is that abiword hasn't been repackaged to provide a "libabiword", and the people who can actually do that (the abiword project) haven't bought into or gotten around to this yet. So can someone provide a different package, even an rpm that could be installed with alien? and could the location of where to get this be noted in the "state of the sugar ubuntu nation"? Same with other known problems that have been figured out but not percolated into a distributed fix. Rinse and repeat for SOAS and any other distros floating around. This would at least make clear what is known to be wrong, and steps underway to fix. As for the second point, namely providing activities requested by teachers, I agree it is important, and I think Wade has an almost-ready typing tutor (google these lists for a prior thread on this). On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:14 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted > upon (much more importantly) > > Im gonna try and make this easy: > > SoaS - the latest fedora core based > I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) > Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? > > ubuntu - > no read > no write > no jiggzawpuzzle > etoys > scratch > epathi > measure > anything tam tam based > until very recently even browse > pdf reader of any kind > measure > distance > slider > video chat > abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) > > ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... > > > what is the solution: > > we test the damn tings before release we do what greg > dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: > > 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on > the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... > the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: > Examples: > > 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever > the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph > based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... > > guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked > for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet > exist. > > 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction > groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... > > > 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say > this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when > working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... > yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing > list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll > actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; > > 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get > together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will > really chqnge the world) > > I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into > creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar > mean something for teachers > > David (nubae) Van Assche > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms
ok? I guess this will be contreversial but it must be said and acted upon (much more importantly) Im gonna try and make this easy: SoaS - the latest fedora core based I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) Speak - it will not even launch why is it then on a disitributed stick? ubuntu - no read no write no jiggzawpuzzle etoys scratch epathi measure anything tam tam based until very recently even browse pdf reader of any kind measure distance slider video chat abc flower (thing doesnt even exist) ok, that is about 50% of the failed testtube babies... what is the solution: we test the damn tings before release we do what greg dekoenigsberg quite elegantly suggested. a 3 tier solution: 1. make an educator mailinglist we get every educator we know on the list. We start off the discussion with what is really needed... the simple stuff... the stuff u guru coders can whip up in days: Examples: 1. typing tutor... all it should do is allow kids to follow whatever the teacher is directing. speed of typing is recorded? accuracy; graph based report; printable to parents... stars given to best pupils... guys these are real world scenarios... not invented by devs.. asked for by teachers qnd not surprisingly thinking why it does not yet exist. 2 same for maths... times tables/division/addition/substraction groupings of kids, reports, printibale to both parents ant teachers... 2. (gdk) guys this is what teachers want... I reallly hate to say this; but the stuff right now on sugar apart from speak, which when working every teacher loves, is an absolute waste of educators time... yes the activities can be properly used... but basics first! mailing list to get the, involved; we mention the activities that we (welll actually they) have come up with, we discuss very briefly; 3: (gdk)then make a moodle/wiki page where educators and devs get together to create the tools that we actually need (the ones that will really chqnge the world) I hope no one takes this is as a critcism of the effort put into creating activities till now; but people... lets frocus... lets sugar mean something for teachers David (nubae) Van Assche ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Minutes from olpc-friends' Feb. 03 and 10 Deployment Meetings
Folks, Last Tuesday, we held an awesome deployment meeting (at 2000 UTC on #olpc-deployment on irc.freenode.net) which featured sustained engagement with the Hernan's deployment troika: logistico, técnico y pedagógico, as well as extensive brainstorming of solutions for issues relevant to Peru, Sierra Leone, and Birmingham. Minutes: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings/20090203 Today, we had a quiet sharing of knowledge with Wade Brainerd, head of the Sugar Labs ActivityTeam, a nice Nepal update, some fine exploratory thoughts on the Rwanda deployment, and a pitch by Richard Smith for help with his long-awaited Multi-Battery Charger. Minutes: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings/20090210 Enjoy, and please join us in a few hours 0500 UTC or again next Tuesday at 2000 UTC. As always, please add items to the next meetings' agenda at the bottom of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_meetings so that interested folks can prepare questions and remarks or update the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Deployment_wishlist (For extra motivation, be sure to check out dsd's four most recent wishes -- contributed live, directly from Paraguay!) Voluntarily yours, Michael P.S. - Sorry that it took me so long to get last week's minutes posted -- they were hard to disentangle! ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Almanac Migrated
On 10 Feb 2009, at 15:04, David Farning wrote: > Thanks Gary, > > I just want to thank you publicly for all the work you have been doing > to make the wiki usable:) > > david Hey David – thanks, but you're doing all the heavy lifting, I'm just grabbing at some of the low hanging fruit :-) --Gary > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Gary C Martin > wrote: >> On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:36, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:15, David Farning >>> >>> wrote: The Sugar Almanac migration is complete! It is now at http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac A issue to mark the pages as migrated is at dev.lt.org#9241 Would someone please make a link and description from somewhere in the existing DevelopmentTeam wiki to the almanac? >>> >>> Perhaps would be better to link to it from the ActivityTeam section? >> >> I updated the link in ActivityTeam/Resources, and added a news item >> at >> ActivityTeam#News. >> >> --Gary >> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Tomeu >>> ___ >>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> >> ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -
Sorry...hit send too soon. The link http://boblord.livejournal.com/18402.html shows how to get rid of the message. To give the xs the identity of the client you send a certificate request to the server. This is in truth the public key of the client, which the server signs and sends back. Thus the client now has a client certificate signed by the server's CA. There is a nice Firefox addon that manages this process for the issuer if one wishes there to be some manual oversight as to who is allowed to register (presumably some functionary at the school who oversees registration on the first day). There is an underlying set of security utilities that belong to Mozilla (NSS libraries and tools) that can perform the cert request building, and would allow scripting to do the cert requesting under the covers. As an alternative to a strictly manual approval process for the cert requests, the XO process for submitting the cr could put the serial number in a field of the cert request to be checked automatically against a list of serial numbers on the server, such that the cert is returned automatically. (Eagerly awaiting an eruption from Ivan). On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche wrote: > http://boblord.livejournal.com/18402.html > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Martin Langhoff < > martin.langh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Simon Schampijer >> wrote: >> >> Thoughts? Opinions? Code? >> >> >> >> cheers, >> > >> > I wonder if it would not be best to generate a cert per user when we >> > authenticate the first time with the XS and add this then to the >> cert8.db in >> > the profile. This works fine - rainbow wise - as we do this already for >> the >> > OLPC - Root CA. >> >> How do we >> >> - get the cert of the XS ahead of time and mark it as trusted to >> avoid the "self-signed cert bad!" screen? >> >> - give the XS our cert so it knows who we are? >> >> see the 'Plan A' (in my opening post) for further notes. >> >> >> >> m >> -- >> martin.langh...@gmail.com >> mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect >> - ask interesting questions >> - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first >> - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >> > > > > -- > "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary > depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair > -- "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > To start off with, I would probably like to watch the core sugar stuff > (sugar, sugar-toolkit) and read. Done, can you try it out? -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -
http://boblord.livejournal.com/18402.html On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Simon Schampijer > wrote: > >> Thoughts? Opinions? Code? > >> > >> cheers, > > > > I wonder if it would not be best to generate a cert per user when we > > authenticate the first time with the XS and add this then to the cert8.db > in > > the profile. This works fine - rainbow wise - as we do this already for > the > > OLPC - Root CA. > > How do we > > - get the cert of the XS ahead of time and mark it as trusted to > avoid the "self-signed cert bad!" screen? > > - give the XS our cert so it knows who we are? > > see the 'Plan A' (in my opening post) for further notes. > > > > m > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > -- "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Keep tabs on Sugar development
Awesome!! Really appreciate the efforts. Way to Go!! -- Prakhar Agarwal Linux User# 474643 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Prakhar "Life is the greatest teacher" ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
Yup, GMail tags are nice. I have some 50 odd tags and the mails get archived in respective tags instead of Inbox. I feel very organized this way. If anything goes amiss, we can always look upto "All mails" link. Just my thought :) -- Prakhar Agarwal Linux User# 474643 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Prakhar "Life is the greatest teacher" ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-02-10
=== Sugar Digest === 1. I took some time off from programming to attend Evangeline Harris Stefanakis's class at Boston University, School of Education. It is a graduate seminar in which the students are expected to do some field work. Her students are all over-achievers, each with a wealth of experience working with either pre-school or elementary-aged children, many from disadvantaged backgrounds. I gave a brief Sugar overview and also introduced them to the Portfolio tool. They then explored on their own for an hour or so. Prof. Stefanakis then challenged them to think of ways in which they might incorporate Sugar into their class projects. Stay tuned. 2. Mel Chua has been leading the marketing-team discussions the past two weeks. She has brought a renewed energy to the group ([[MarketingTeam/Meetings/02-10-2009#The_actual_meeting]]. We are focusing on setting goals and being more structured in our approach to meeting our goals. Sean Daly's participation has given us more grounding. 3. Tony Forster is even more fanatic than I am: he has written "Turtle Lander" in Turtle Art (See [http://tonyforster.blogspot.com/2009/02/turtle-lander.html]). Previously, I'd written a Turtle Art falling-blocks game (See [[Activities/TAPortfolio#We_got_game]]). Both of us are trying to understand the limits of Turtle Art as a language. Meanwhile, a visit to http://turtleart.org/ will give you a sense of how expressive Turtle Art can be within the more narrow domain of Art! In response to last week's discussion about collaboration, I decided to add collaboration to Turtle Art Portfolio. I wanted to see how difficult it would be and have an excuse to think about what a collaborative programming environment might look like. Try sharing Version 16 ([http://sugarlabs.org/wiki/images/e/e7/TurtleArtPortfolio-16.xo]), but I wouldn't recommend more than 2 or 3 people working together at once. I've also begun documenting both Turtle Art and Turtle Art Portfolio in the wiki: [[Activities/TurtleArt]] and [[Activities/TAPortfolio]]. === Community jams, meet-ups, and meetings === 4. Simon Schampijer reports that "a bunch of enthusiastic Sugar developers, contributors and community members got together at FOSDEM'09 in Brussels, Belgium this weekend. In addition, a one-day pre-conference meetup took place on Friday. While a variety of topics and issues were discussed, the focus was on how make Sugar a better and more usable solution in the classroom. To that end, a closer connection with both teachers/educators and pilots/deployments that use Sugar must be forged. There also needs to be an easily accessible and central place that contains a list of suggestions for future improvements and their status (think 'Trac for teachers'). Another important need is to make simple activities that are required in the classroom, e.g. simple Maths programs, typing tutors, etc. "In an inspiring talk given by Red Hat's Greg deKonigsberg it was emphasized that assessment of tasks and activities must also be integral part of the Sugar platform. Tomeu Vizoso outlined the opportunities in the Sugar playground for the GNOME community in his talk in the GNOME room. There were also many interesting discussions with folks from different communities such as Gnome, Gnash, Mandriva, Fedora, etc. "Notes taken at the event are posted ([[MarketingTeam/Events/FOSDEM_2009/Notes]])." 5. [http://tutorius.org/blog/ Tutorius] is an open source project developed by nine computer engineering students at Sherbrooke University in Canada. Their project is based Sugar, with the simple goal of making education easier and more accessible to teachers and children around the world and also of improving education quality in general. They plan on building an interactive tutor, an Activities editor, a community website and more. === Help Wanted === 6. We could use some USB sticks for distributing Sugar on a Stick. If you know any one who might be able to donate some USB sticks, please let us know. 7. We need more testing of 0.84 as we approach the March release. === Tech Talk === 8. Simon also reports that "we had a Sucrose 0.83.5 development release planed for 30 January; we missed that opportunity. We just did an uncoordinated release of the latest [http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.83.6.tar.bz2], [http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit/sugar-toolkit-0.83.5.tar.bz2] and [http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.83.3.tar.bz2] so packagers can get those into the builds already. "The next [[DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap#Schedule]] is next week; this will be our Release Candidate 1. Make sure to polish everything up and get your fixes in. "Testers, please have a look at the new SoaS announcements (snapshots can be found at [http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/]) and the packages in your distribution of choice." === Sugar Labs === 9. Gary Martin has
Re: [Sugar-devel] Minimal steps to start hacking on Browse.xo?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Agreed that navigation is currently hard. I would love to see a new > Gitorious splash page that just lists *all* the projects like GitWeb does, Yes! that'd be a big improvement. Or a search of some kind. As it stands, I had to paginate "blind" as it's not even sorted. Obviously, not a top priority, but it'd be a good thing :-) >> > 4 - run it from the checkout... how? >> >> Just link to it from ~/Activities and it should work. > > Actually, cd to the activity directory and run > python setup.py dev > This will create the aforementioned symlink. Then restart X > (Ctrl-Alt-Erase). *Thanks* Tomeu and Wade for the hints. /me hack hack hack! m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: >> Thoughts? Opinions? Code? >> >> cheers, > > I wonder if it would not be best to generate a cert per user when we > authenticate the first time with the XS and add this then to the cert8.db in > the profile. This works fine - rainbow wise - as we do this already for the > OLPC - Root CA. How do we - get the cert of the XS ahead of time and mark it as trusted to avoid the "self-signed cert bad!" screen? - give the XS our cert so it knows who we are? see the 'Plan A' (in my opening post) for further notes. m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.5 Tarballs Due
Dear Sucrose Maintainers, please provide source tarballs for the Sucrose 0.83.5 Development Release [1] by the end of the 13th of February and announce them as explained here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release#Module_release This will be Release Candidate 1 - so please make sure to get your fixes in. For example here is a list of current Sugar bugs for 0.84 [2] Thanks, Your Release Team [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap#Schedule [2] http://dev.sugarlabs.org/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&component=sugar&order=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&milestone=0.84 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > I use GMail as well, and it definitely has the concept of folders, they > are > > just called Tags and an email can be in more than one :) > > In the Settings you can make a Filter which will apply a Tag (like a > Folder) > > and automatically Archive messages (Skip the Inbox) with a given List ID > (SL > > Bugs). > > Ah yes- but I have been badly bitten by the Skip inbox feature once, > and tend to avoid it ;-) I agree that it might be better handled server side, but I can say the GMail filters do work well when used correctly. Thanks Gary for the RSS tip! Regards, -Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On 10 Feb 2009, at 19:19, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Luke Faraone > wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta > > >> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> Bugzilla has a nice feature which lets you "watch" certain >>> components, >>> so that you get cc-ed on each bug that is filed for that component. >>> This makes reviewing and triaging tickets quite easy even if the >>> official maintainer is busy. Is there any way in which Trac can do >>> this ? >> >> Not currently as far, but I may later add such functionality to the >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs mailing list, the same way >> we do >> for sugar-devel: selectable as a "topic" in the mailman config. >> This isn't >> ideal, but it's the easiest thing we can accomplish. >> >> What spesific components would you want me to set up filters/topics >> for, as >> a test? >> > > > To start off with, I would probably like to watch the core sugar stuff > (sugar, sugar-toolkit) and read. Apologies if I've missed some subtle detail of what you're after; for trac, how about: feed://dev.sugarlabs.org/query?format=rss&component=sugar&component=sugar-toolkit --G > Thanks, > Sayamindu > > > > -- > Sayamindu Dasgupta > [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > I use GMail as well, and it definitely has the concept of folders, they are > just called Tags and an email can be in more than one :) > In the Settings you can make a Filter which will apply a Tag (like a > Folder) and automatically Archive messages (Skip the Inbox) with a given > List ID (SL Bugs). > But this is making what should be a feature of the server software a user's problem. While it can be done, it should be easier. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 1:08 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > I use GMail as well, and it definitely has the concept of folders, they are > just called Tags and an email can be in more than one :) > In the Settings you can make a Filter which will apply a Tag (like a Folder) > and automatically Archive messages (Skip the Inbox) with a given List ID (SL > Bugs). Ah yes- but I have been badly bitten by the Skip inbox feature once, and tend to avoid it ;-) -sdg- > -Wade > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: >> > Is the traffic so bad that you can't just subscribe to the bugs mailing >> > list >> > and redirect it to a folder? Then you could use client side rules to >> > highlight specific components. >> > -Wade >> > >> >> I use GMail (the web client), which unfortunately does not have the >> concept of folders :( Everything seems to show up in my main Inbox >> (well, I can highlight them). One option will be to delete/archive >> irrelevant mails, but I don't feel very comfortable with that, as I >> have a constant feeling that I might lose important mails due to >> botched up filter configuration on my part.. >> >> Thanks, >> Sayamindu >> >> >> -- >> Sayamindu Dasgupta >> [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] > > -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
I use GMail as well, and it definitely has the concept of folders, they are just called Tags and an email can be in more than one :) In the Settings you can make a Filter which will apply a Tag (like a Folder) and automatically Archive messages (Skip the Inbox) with a given List ID (SL Bugs). -Wade On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > Is the traffic so bad that you can't just subscribe to the bugs mailing > list > > and redirect it to a folder? Then you could use client side rules to > > highlight specific components. > > -Wade > > > > I use GMail (the web client), which unfortunately does not have the > concept of folders :( Everything seems to show up in my main Inbox > (well, I can highlight them). One option will be to delete/archive > irrelevant mails, but I don't feel very comfortable with that, as I > have a constant feeling that I might lose important mails due to > botched up filter configuration on my part.. > > Thanks, > Sayamindu > > > -- > Sayamindu Dasgupta > [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Is the traffic so bad that you can't just subscribe to the bugs mailing list > and redirect it to a folder? Then you could use client side rules to > highlight specific components. > -Wade > I use GMail (the web client), which unfortunately does not have the concept of folders :( Everything seems to show up in my main Inbox (well, I can highlight them). One option will be to delete/archive irrelevant mails, but I don't feel very comfortable with that, as I have a constant feeling that I might lose important mails due to botched up filter configuration on my part.. Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] In Sugar land even bugs are sweet...
So sweet that our tracker [1] got sticky and needs a bit of triage help to get going again. That is why the Sugar Labs BugSquad [2] meets this week for their first Triage session. When: Thursday 12 February, 2009 - 16.00 (UTC Where: irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting Who: You do not need any programming knowledge to be in the BugSquad; in fact it is a great way to return something to the Sugar community if you cannot program. What: Read at [3] about the work a triager is doing. Looking forward to see you on Thursday, Simon [1] http://dev.sugarlabs.org [2] http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad [3] http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad/TriageGuide ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> Bugzilla has a nice feature which lets you "watch" certain components, >> so that you get cc-ed on each bug that is filed for that component. >> This makes reviewing and triaging tickets quite easy even if the >> official maintainer is busy. Is there any way in which Trac can do >> this ? > > Not currently as far, but I may later add such functionality to the > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs mailing list, the same way we do > for sugar-devel: selectable as a "topic" in the mailman config. This isn't > ideal, but it's the easiest thing we can accomplish. > > What spesific components would you want me to set up filters/topics for, as > a test? > To start off with, I would probably like to watch the core sugar stuff (sugar, sugar-toolkit) and read. Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
Is the traffic so bad that you can't just subscribe to the bugs mailing list and redirect it to a folder? Then you could use client side rules to highlight specific components. -Wade On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Luke Faraone wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta > wrote: > >> Hello, >> Bugzilla has a nice feature which lets you "watch" certain components, >> so that you get cc-ed on each bug that is filed for that component. >> This makes reviewing and triaging tickets quite easy even if the >> official maintainer is busy. Is there any way in which Trac can do >> this ? > > > Not currently as far, but I may later add such functionality to the * > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs* mailing list, the same way we do > for sugar-devel: selectable as a "topic" in the mailman config. This isn't > ideal, but it's the easiest thing we can accomplish. > > What spesific components would you want me to set up filters/topics for, as > a test? > > -- > Luke Faraone > http://luke.faraone.cc > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > Hello, > Bugzilla has a nice feature which lets you "watch" certain components, > so that you get cc-ed on each bug that is filed for that component. > This makes reviewing and triaging tickets quite easy even if the > official maintainer is busy. Is there any way in which Trac can do > this ? Not currently as far, but I may later add such functionality to the * http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/bugs* mailing list, the same way we do for sugar-devel: selectable as a "topic" in the mailman config. This isn't ideal, but it's the easiest thing we can accomplish. What spesific components would you want me to set up filters/topics for, as a test? -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Watching a trac component ?
Hello, Bugzilla has a nice feature which lets you "watch" certain components, so that you get cc-ed on each bug that is filed for that component. This makes reviewing and triaging tickets quite easy even if the official maintainer is busy. Is there any way in which Trac can do this ? Thank you, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 05:33:09PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:07:02PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > [Ubuntu python-gconf has RPATH setting] >> If this turns out to be the case, you should probably file a >> bugreport against Ubuntu. > Done. [1] > > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python/+bug/327671 Excellent! - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmRyV8ACgkQn7DbMsAkQLib+wCgiyJarbSHC4xbNCudQD40sz5h mIwAoJ0UEYWTYSTBsj5RqRFSlE2+Uhdl =LlYo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Almanac Migrated
I agree that DevelopmentTeam is the place to put the Almanac and that it should be linked to by the ActivityTeam/Resources. On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM, David Farning wrote: > Thanks Gary, > > I just want to thank you publicly for all the work you have been doing > to make the wiki usable:) > > david > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Gary C Martin > wrote: > > On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:36, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:15, David Farning > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> The Sugar Almanac migration is complete! > >>> > >>> It is now at http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac > >>> > >>> A issue to mark the pages as migrated is at dev.lt.org#9241 > >>> > >>> Would someone please make a link and description from somewhere in the > >>> existing DevelopmentTeam wiki to the almanac? > >> > >> Perhaps would be better to link to it from the ActivityTeam section? > > > > I updated the link in ActivityTeam/Resources, and added a news item at > > ActivityTeam#News. > > > > --Gary > > > >> Regards, > >> > >> Tomeu > >> ___ > >> Sugar-devel mailing list > >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep tabs on Sugar development
> 2009/2/10 Wade Brainerd : >> Want to know who has been working on what? How active a particular >> developer or project is? Want to know right away when a particular bug gets >> fixed? When a new project gets started? How about a graph of commit >> activity over time? >> Add the following feed to your RSS reader: >> http://git.sugarlabs.org/events.atom >> Bernie helped me out with this a few weeks ago, and I like it so much I want >> to share it with everyone. It's like a 'commits' list but even better. >> It's really encouraging to see all the work people are doing on Sugar. >> Cheers, >> Wade >> PS- If you don't have an RSS reader already, try out Google Reader. Its >> List view works pretty well for this feed. Awesome, one missing piece for me! Thanks Bernie and Wade, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Help Activity - maintainer?
Brian Jordan (bjordan on IRC) is the initial author but Seth Woodworth has been working on it most recently. Either of you guys up for migrating? Is there anything XO specific in the activity? http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/How_to_migrate_from_OLPC On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Hi, > > do we have currently a maintainer of the help activity? Would be good to > move it to sugarlabs git and I actually thought it would be cool to > include it in Fructose, more about the process at [1]. The manual needs > of course be updated for 0.84 - not sure how realistic it is to be > synced with the release date, though. > > Thanks, >Simon > > [1] Including process: > http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release#New_modules_proposal > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Minimal steps to start hacking on Browse.xo?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:28, Martin Langhoff > wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I found the git repo for Browse xo! Hurray! (finding things in github > > is hard work, or perhaps I managed to find the hardest path to it). > > Gitorious, not github, but do you have any suggestion? Agreed that navigation is currently hard. I would love to see a new Gitorious splash page that just lists *all* the projects like GitWeb does, but I know that could be hard to do and we have more pressing infrastructure needs. > > 2 - yum install git > > > > 3 - git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/browse/mainline.git > >mv mainline.git browse.git > > (btw, shoud this be called browse.git, or browse-mainline.git?) > > I would call it 'browse'. The best way to do this is: git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/browse/maineline.git browse The second argument controls the name of the directory it's synced to. > > 4 - run it from the checkout... how? > > Just link to it from ~/Activities and it should work. Actually, cd to the activity directory and run python setup.py dev This will create the aforementioned symlink. Then restart X (Ctrl-Alt-Erase). Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] CartoonBuilder-2
Awesome!! Way to go Aleksey. I can't wait to check this out (was out of town all last week in rainy Santa Barbara). Best, Wade On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > This is sweet... SJ > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Aleksey Lim > wrote: > > == Source == > > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/CartoonBuilder/CartoonBuilder-2.tar.bz2 > > > > == Bundle == > > > > > http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/honey/CartoonBuilder/CartoonBuilder-2.xo > > > > == NEWS == > > > > * Support various screen resolutions > > * Use jobjects for characters, backgrounds and sounds > > * Fix OLPC#4742 Implement collaboration > > * Fix OLPC#6213 Crash on import image > > * Fix OLPC#9182 COPYING file is missed > > * Fix OLPC#8460 Cartoon-Builder-1 - "Keep error" msg on close > > > > -- > > Aleksey > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep tabs on Sugar development
Just what I needed! Thanks, Tomeu 2009/2/10 Wade Brainerd : > Want to know who has been working on what? How active a particular developer > or project is? Want to know right away when a particular bug gets fixed? > When a new project gets started? How about a graph of commit activity over > time? > Add the following feed to your RSS reader: > http://git.sugarlabs.org/events.atom > Bernie helped me out with this a few weeks ago, and I like it so much I want > to share it with everyone. It's like a 'commits' list but even better. It's > really encouraging to see all the work people are doing on Sugar. > Cheers, > Wade > PS- If you don't have an RSS reader already, try out Google Reader. Its List > view works pretty well for this feed. > ___ > Devel mailing list > de...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Keep tabs on Sugar development
Want to know who has been working on what? How active a particular developer or project is? Want to know right away when a particular bug gets fixed? When a new project gets started? How about a graph of commit activity over time? Add the following feed to your RSS reader: http://git.sugarlabs.org/events.atom Bernie helped me out with this a few weeks ago, and I like it so much I want to share it with everyone. It's like a 'commits' list but even better. It's really encouraging to see all the work people are doing on Sugar. Cheers, Wade PS- If you don't have an RSS reader already, try out Google Reader. Its List view works pretty well for this feed. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:07:02PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: [Ubuntu python-gconf has RPATH setting] If this turns out to be the case, you should probably file a bugreport against Ubuntu. Done. [1] [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python/+bug/327671 CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 09:34:19PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Do you mean that even if the environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH is defined, it gets overridden by hardcoded rpath? Exactly. If it is the first, then please update the Debian wiki page, and also drop a note about it to ju...@debian.org (I see that he is not subscribed to updates to that wiki page). I've written to Jurij, but not adapted the wiki page yet. I want to wait for his (or her?) answer first. BTW: Libraries in sugar-jhbuild seem to set rpath, too - at least libevince.so does have RPATH=/home/sugar/sugar-jhbuild/install/lib64. As I understand it, rpath has its sane uses, it is not a complete evil. Only for packaging as part of Debian (and derivatives) is it a definitive no-no. Can't think of any issue it could cause inside sugar-jhbuild, so it's probably fine, yes. Please do not cc me: I am subscribed to the list. Sorry, you didn't set Mail-Followup-To and I'm used to doing group-reply as I'm on several mailing lists where non-subscribers post to. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -
Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Simon Schampijer > wrote: >> ===Topics=== >> c) Auto-authentication for Browse when visiting web-based tools on the >> XS it has registered to (guest speaker Martin Langhoff) > > First, *apologies* for the no-show -- I got confused between 14hs UTC > and 14hs EST. > > In terms of what to do with Browse.xo, I have a couple of rough ideas > to propose. It's a very tentative thing -- and I don't want or expect > to dictate the implementation. There's been a few discussions verbally > (at 1CC, and at SugarCamp), > plus quite a bit on the devel@ list. Might be worthwhile a re-read. > > Here's my outline of opportunities and constraints as I understand > them > > * We want seamless, magic auto-authentication for the XO when > visiting web-based tools on the XS it has registered to. > > * We hope this to be low-impact on Browse.xo and 9.1 in general. It'd > be a big win if the feature works on 8.2 as well. It cannot hamper > using normal websites. > > * It is better to avoid making it too OLPC-specific. XOs should be > able to interop with a XS or something roughly like it. (Later down > the path, perhaps more than one XSish server...) > > * We'd like conventional browsers to able to use the same mechanism > (but I can add suitable fallbacks on the XS to support non-XO > users...) > > * We hope this is low impact on the XS too. It cannot hamper other clients. > > * The XO shares at 'registration' time its local and unique public > ssh key with the XS. We can use that bit of knowledge clearly and > without more infra changes. > > * We can change the registration protocol to exchange more data, but > that will widen the impact of this change significantly. > > * The general idea is to hook a special "in the background" handshake > when Browse.xo visits a server that looks like an XS. (But for > example, I don't know what hooks we have in there!). After that > handshake, which we'd like to be reasonably secure against > eavesdroppers and replay attacks, traffic falls back to plain http > with the client having an http cookie. Based on that general idea, two > approaches have been discussea > > Plan A - HTTPS to the rescue > > Use HTTPS and client certs. On the Browse.xo, either create a client > cert at first boot or derive one from the SSL priv key we already > have. Lacking a PKI ( in this case XSs will have self-signed certs, > and the whole network will often be offline), we will need to grab the > cert from the > XS at registration time so we can whitelist it for Browse.xo. This is > safer, allows us to upgrade later to always using HTTPS if desired. > > It has downsides however > - we'll have to change the registration protocol, and deal with > up/downwards compat issues. > - https is significantly more costly in terms of CPU on the XS > > Plan B - Secure handshake -> http cookie - option > > Assuming Browse.xo can get its grubby hands on > .sugar/default/owner.key (not sure how to negotiate that with Rainbow) > then it can perform a simple handshake with the XS over plain HTTP, > where the XS issues a challenge string that has to be signed by > Browse.xo with the private key. The XS, having the public key can > verify the signature. Once it has verified it, it gives Browse.xo a > traditional HTTP cookie. > > This is cryptographically much weaker because > > - It allows third parties to pose as an XS, and generally play MITM. > - After the handshake - the interaction continues over plain http. The > cookie may be set to short-lived, but within its lifetime it is > trivially sniffed and reused. > > On the other hand, it allows us to just issue an updated Browse.xo > perhaps even for 8.2. > > Plan C - Simple HTTP cookie > > Bryan Berry mentioned this strategy at XOCamp: at Browse.xo startup > time create a 'fake' cookie in cookies.sqlite . We could use the > pubkey -- or a hash of it -- as a cookie. This is trivially MITM'able, > and trivially sniffable and reused. It cuts to the chase on plan B. > > - - - - - > > Thoughts? Opinions? Code? > > cheers, I wonder if it would not be best to generate a cert per user when we authenticate the first time with the XS and add this then to the cert8.db in the profile. This works fine - rainbow wise - as we do this already for the OLPC - Root CA. Does that sound like what you are looking for? Cheers, Simon PS: sorry for the ridiculous reply delay ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] BugSquad - schedule triage meeting for this week
Gary C Martin wrote: > On 10 Feb 2009, at 12:12, Simon Schampijer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 will be available by the end of the >> week [1]. We should be cleaning up trac and get people going on >> triaging to be prepared for the flood of tickets that will come in in >> the upcoming weeks. >> >> So I want to schedule a BugSquad [2] triage meeting this week. Would >> Thursday: 16 (UTC) be a reasonable time or does the weekend works better? > > Yes Thursday, 16 (UTC) is good for me. > > --Gary > Awesome, looks like this would work out for at least Gary and Morgan. Let's just make it 16 (UTC) then - you can never make everyone happy anyhow ;p Will send a reminder later, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] buildbot update
I just restarted buildbot.sugarlabs.org . All of the trivial build failures have been fixed. Nw build failures are being sent directly to the sugar-devel list. With in the next couple of day, I will bring up the ubuntu slave. david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Almanac Migrated
Thanks Gary, I just want to thank you publicly for all the work you have been doing to make the wiki usable:) david On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: > On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:36, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:15, David Farning >> wrote: >>> >>> The Sugar Almanac migration is complete! >>> >>> It is now at http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac >>> >>> A issue to mark the pages as migrated is at dev.lt.org#9241 >>> >>> Would someone please make a link and description from somewhere in the >>> existing DevelopmentTeam wiki to the almanac? >> >> Perhaps would be better to link to it from the ActivityTeam section? > > I updated the link in ActivityTeam/Resources, and added a news item at > ActivityTeam#News. > > --Gary > >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> ___ >> Sugar-devel mailing list >> Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Almanac Migrated
Wad, could you add the final location of the almanac as an agenda item for the next ActivitiesTeam meeting? Once a section is migrated from lt.org to sl.org, it is pretty easy to move around with in wiki.sl.org . david On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:15, David Farning wrote: >> The Sugar Almanac migration is complete! >> >> It is now at http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac >> >> A issue to mark the pages as migrated is at dev.lt.org#9241 >> >> Would someone please make a link and description from somewhere in the >> existing DevelopmentTeam wiki to the almanac? > > Perhaps would be better to link to it from the ActivityTeam section? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] BugSquad - schedule triage meeting for this week
On 10 Feb 2009, at 12:12, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Hi, > > Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 will be available by the end of the > week [1]. We should be cleaning up trac and get people going on > triaging to be prepared for the flood of tickets that will come in in > the upcoming weeks. > > So I want to schedule a BugSquad [2] triage meeting this week. Would > Thursday: 16 (UTC) be a reasonable time or does the weekend works > better? Yes Thursday, 16 (UTC) is good for me. --Gary > Thanks, >Simon > > [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap#Schedule > [2] http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Almanac Migrated
On 10 Feb 2009, at 09:36, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:15, David Farning > wrote: >> The Sugar Almanac migration is complete! >> >> It is now at http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac >> >> A issue to mark the pages as migrated is at dev.lt.org#9241 >> >> Would someone please make a link and description from somewhere in >> the >> existing DevelopmentTeam wiki to the almanac? > > Perhaps would be better to link to it from the ActivityTeam section? I updated the link in ActivityTeam/Resources, and added a news item at ActivityTeam#News. --Gary > Regards, > > Tomeu > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] automated testing
Hi, I still hope we'll get automated test cases one day, and the creation of this new GNOME team looks like a big step towards that: http://live.gnome.org/DesktopTesting We would need to add AT-SPI support to hippo canvas, which would improve as well accessibility support. Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] BugSquad - schedule triage meeting for this week
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 14:12, Simon Schampijer wrote: > Hi, > > Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 will be available by the end of the > week [1]. We should be cleaning up trac and get people going on > triaging to be prepared for the flood of tickets that will come in in > the upcoming weeks. > > So I want to schedule a BugSquad [2] triage meeting this week. Would > Thursday: 16 (UTC) be a reasonable time or does the weekend works better? I should be able to make the Thursday slot but not the weekend. Regards Morgan ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] BugSquad - schedule triage meeting for this week
Hi, Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 will be available by the end of the week [1]. We should be cleaning up trac and get people going on triaging to be prepared for the flood of tickets that will come in in the upcoming weeks. So I want to schedule a BugSquad [2] triage meeting this week. Would Thursday: 16 (UTC) be a reasonable time or does the weekend works better? Thanks, Simon [1] http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release/Roadmap#Schedule [2] http://sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Help Activity - maintainer?
Hi, do we have currently a maintainer of the help activity? Would be good to move it to sugarlabs git and I actually thought it would be cool to include it in Fructose, more about the process at [1]. The manual needs of course be updated for 0.84 - not sure how realistic it is to be synced with the release date, though. Thanks, Simon [1] Including process: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Release#New_modules_proposal ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Minimal steps to start hacking on Browse.xo?
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:28, Martin Langhoff wrote: > Hi! > > I found the git repo for Browse xo! Hurray! (finding things in github > is hard work, or perhaps I managed to find the hardest path to it). Gitorious, not github, but do you have any suggestion? > Not being a Sugar dev, I want to do some light hacking on Browse.xo > but I don't have a Sugar environment prepared to hack on it. How can I > get going with minimum steps...? If you want that activity to run on 8.2 and are comfortable hacking on the XO, then you have started well. > So far, what I've tried to do... > > 1 - grab an XO with 8.2 Keep in mind that Browse depends on hulahop, that is the component used to embed mozilla. If since the 8.2 times an API change happened, you may want to hack on HEAD (having installed 0.83.x) and afterwards backport to the sucrose-0.82 branch. Then build bundles from each of those branches. > 2 - yum install git > > 3 - git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/browse/mainline.git >mv mainline.git browse.git > (btw, shoud this be called browse.git, or browse-mainline.git?) I would call it 'browse'. > 4 - run it from the checkout... how? Just link to it from ~/Activities and it should work. HTH, Tomeu > is there a better way? > > cheers, > > > > m > -- > martin.langh...@gmail.com > mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect > - ask interesting questions > - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first > - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Almanac Migrated
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:15, David Farning wrote: > The Sugar Almanac migration is complete! > > It is now at http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/Almanac > > A issue to mark the pages as migrated is at dev.lt.org#9241 > > Would someone please make a link and description from somewhere in the > existing DevelopmentTeam wiki to the almanac? Perhaps would be better to link to it from the ActivityTeam section? Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
