[Sugar-devel] 3D engine uses in a no-nonsense GUI (was: XO Gen 1.5)

2009-04-21 Thread Albert Cahalan
Christoph Derndorfer writes: I honestly can't think of a use-case for including any sort of 3D acceleration into the basic Sugar and activities. There's about a million significantly more important things that people should be working on before even thinking about 3D (IMHO). One can use a 3D

Re: [Sugar-devel] Missing .po files in Etoys?

2009-04-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.04.2009, at 13:19, Bastien wrote: While building sugar from sugar-jhbuild I got this error: , | + cp po/zh_TW/etoys.po Content/po/etoys/zh_TW.po | cp: ne peut créer le fichier régulier `Content/po/etoys/zh_TW.po': Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type | make: *** [Content/po]

[Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
[quoting tomeu] Hi all, my apologies for entering in this discussion so late, the soas and distributions deadlines played very badly with the gsoc schedule. If I understood correctly, the plan proposed in Vamsi's application implies that the conversion from the format in which activities write

Re: [Sugar-devel] discussion of which javascript framework to use for Karma

2009-04-21 Thread Lucian Branescu
jQuery makes the DOM suck less, that's it's main plus. I think the jQuery UI is complete enough for most tasks and doesn't have architectural constraints that keep it from getting better. It's also quite small. However, I don't think it should matter too much which framework is blessed. Web devs

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri wrote: [quoting tomeu] I would like to know how we can expect that Sugar will be deployed with all the filters that the user will need as she installs more activities. Also would like to know if it has been considered to use

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-04-21

2009-04-21 Thread Walter Bender
===Sugar Digest === 1. Five Google Summer of Code projects have been selected for 2009. We are excited about all five proposals; our only regret is that we were unable to accept any more of the promising proposals we received. Thank you to everyone who participated in the selection process—the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: testing backup and restore on SoaS

2009-04-21 Thread Dave Bauer
I poked around in git on dev.laptop.org and found this http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/martin/ds-backup.git/tree/client It looks like the code is from last October. Are these the files I am looking for? Thanks! Dave On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 15:28, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri wrote: [quoting tomeu] I would like to know how we can expect that Sugar will be deployed with all the filters that the user will need as

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: - (py)gtk activities use gtkprint. This means that they have an abstraction for printing to cups, lpr and to a file (ps or pdf). ... - implement a moodle module where users can upload whatever file they have in the journal.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 18:17, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: - (py)gtk activities use gtkprint. This means that they have an abstraction for printing to cups, lpr and to a file (ps or pdf). ... -

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Printing is not limited to uploading files to moodle, we provide both local and server printing and users will use whatever works in their environment. I think this is too much for one Summer of Code project. That's why I have

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Walter Bender
It seems we can attack this in simple steps (sorry for the rehash of what has already be said): (1) a mechanism for printing Journal objects (anything of mime-type .pdf, txt, jpg, png, etc.) (2) an example of optional mechanisms for activities to drop additional printable objects into the Journal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Carol Farlow Lerche
It's entirely unclear what this project has morphed to. Tomeu, what use is uploading arbitrary journal entries to Moodle? I thought creating pdf output in sugar and enabling uploading of the pdf to Moodle was the point of this project. That is useful in two ways. First, it is a path to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 19:02, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: It's entirely unclear what this project has morphed to.  Tomeu, what use is uploading arbitrary journal entries to Moodle? Because the chances that the needed filter to convert that file to a printable format is in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 05:56:59PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I think we should solve our printing problem by extending this list to a few more common formats.  Add in python source and the Open Document Format, and we're pretty much done.  There are very few Activities that generate

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 19:20, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 05:56:59PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I think we should solve our printing problem by extending this list to a few more common formats.  Add in python source and the Open Document

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
OK, we just had an animated conversation on IRC in which almost nothing was generally agreed-on. Here's my refined proposal based on that conversation. Print preview option in journal Uses cups filters to convert to PDF Set of cups filters available is distribution dependent. An officially print

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
Ooops, I forgot. In my proposal, local printing would be done by a separate activity which handled only PDFs. Many deployments would never install this separate activity. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.comwrote: OK, we just had an animated conversation on

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
Vamsi, for your reference, here is the discussion on IRC in which nobody agreed on anything, but we all wanted to take over design of your project. We're just being enthusiastic, and there's some significant degree of bike-shedding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Trivialityhere.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Tuesday 21 April 2009 14:16:36 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 19:02, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: It's entirely unclear what this project has morphed to. Tomeu, what use is uploading arbitrary journal entries to Moodle? Because the chances that the needed

[Sugar-devel] Tech note on versioning

2009-04-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to Sascha Silbe, versioning is actually going to happen! Woot! One of the things that's often talked about with versioning is differential compression. The purpose of this e-mail is to note a particular technology for differential

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: testing backup and restore on SoaS

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I poked around in git on dev.laptop.org and found this http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/martin/ds-backup.git/tree/client It looks like the code is from last October. Are these the files I am looking for? Looks about

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:05 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: my initial reaction to this is that it's going to look to the client exactly the same as a bad guy trying to poison DNS by sending unasked for responses, how do the clients tell the difference? They can't. That's how DNS works. Lots of ink

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-21 Thread pgf
martin wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:05 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: also note that this will require that you run some sort of DNS cache on the The standard dns resolver libs on linux (part of glibc?) caches alright. All platforms I know cache things alright, and it's fairly

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-21 Thread david
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:05 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: my initial reaction to this is that it's going to look to the client exactly the same as a bad guy trying to poison DNS by sending unasked for responses, how do the clients tell the difference?

Re: [Sugar-devel] discussion of which javascript framework to use for Karma

2009-04-21 Thread Bryan Berry
On Tue, 2009-04-21 at 13:47 +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: jQuery makes the DOM suck less, that's it's main plus. I think the jQuery UI is complete enough for most tasks and doesn't have architectural constraints that keep it from getting better. It's also quite small. However, I don't