Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/28 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Regardless of what I said, I think your point of increased memory usage is a valid one and the community should voice its opinions on this trade off. My opinion: - Focusing resources on different technologies like this is a distraction - It's an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/28 Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org: The problems that 0.84 has in case of activity versions are: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from  native packages; it makes process of upgrading activities  from .xo impossible In reality Sugar's message is confusing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:24:52PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/7/28 Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org: The problems that 0.84 has in case of activity versions are: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from  native packages; it makes process of upgrading activities

Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 00:28, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Aleksey, If I was responsible for this I'd cover my tracks better.  I would make Bastien's video insanely popular too. I was paying at least some attention to these numbers and it bugs me that I can't trust them. Oh, well.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Transifex

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:42, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrerodir...@gmail.com wrote: We have been working great with pootle, although it has some technical inconveniences (IIRC), they are working towards a django development to solve issues (don't know which though) IMHO,  pootle  is very  

Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:29, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: If those who know where things are and how things work are willing, we can create proper Sugar API documentation. I'll help. I will be happy to answer any questions you have about that. Thanks, Tomeu On Mon, Jul 27, 2009

Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:40, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 27.07.2009, at 21:04, Ton van Overbeek wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Luke Faraonel...@faraone.cc wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 19:36, Ton van Overbeek tvoverb...@gmail.com wrote: I need the low-level

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:51, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:26:20PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/18/2009 04:17 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Caroline, On 17 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Caroline Meeks wrote: We can put it in front of actual kids once

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:49:15PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/7/28 Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org: Proposal is not about storing all versions but about possibility of storing not only one(last?) version and we can uninstall old versions by removing entries from journal. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 08:23, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/7/28 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Regardless of what I said, I think your point of increased memory usage is a valid one and the community should voice its opinions on this trade off. My opinion: - Focusing

[Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
quoting Tomeu from another thread (with no bad feelings at all): Sugar Labs has currently no resources to focus on anything, it depends on volunteers doing whatever they want. I chose to spend my time to make easier for more people to bring their knowledge and experience to Sugar and the

[Sugar-devel] Datastore DBus API (was: Re: TuxPaint and saving to journal)

2009-07-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 08:04:34PM -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: Yes, but it was/is not clear to me if this up-to-date. Take a look at the Current DBus API section of my datastore redesign proposal [1] for a description of the current API (as of 0.84). The Proposed datastore DBus API section

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
[adding IAEP to cc] On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:39, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: quoting Tomeu from another thread (with no bad feelings at all): Sugar Labs has currently no resources to focus on anything, it depends on volunteers doing whatever they want. I chose to spend my time to

[Sugar-devel] Using Nutch for lesson search in Karma

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Hi, while reading Mike Dawson's e-mail on the SDLI I stumbled across his reference to Nutch (http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/Features) and was now wondering whether this might a potential solution for lesson search in Karma? What do you think? Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Using Nutch for lesson search in Karma

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/7/28 Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com: Hi, while reading Mike Dawson's e-mail on the SDLI I stumbled across his reference to Nutch (http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/Features) and was now wondering whether this might a potential solution for lesson search in Karma? What

Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sugar Almanac so far: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac IMHO this is the best place to get you started with Sugar development. Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Using Nutch for lesson search in Karma

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
2009/7/28 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org 2009/7/28 Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com: Hi, while reading Mike Dawson's e-mail on the SDLI I stumbled across his reference to Nutch (http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/Features) and was now wondering whether this might a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 05:14:57AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from native packages; it makes process of upgrading activities from .xo impossible Yeah, this is really a PITA. * sugar can have only one activity version installed at

[Sugar-devel] Karma git, where to put my early UI designs

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Finally managed to get cygwin + git up and running and now have a clone of mainline on my machine. Now I was wondering where I should put my early UI designs, examples/ or somewhere else? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:14, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 05:14:57AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from  native packages; it makes process of upgrading activities  from .xo impossible

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:24:13PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: However, I feel like it could be better if the community (who I might even stretch to call customers) could have more influence. [...] What are the options for the community having more of an influence here? Influence on whom?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:18:58PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: To avoid space duplication in LTSP environments, ~/Activities can contain symlinks to somewhere in /usr if the deployer wants users to be able to uninstall and upgrade activities. But this won't allow them to downgrade to the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:14:54PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 05:14:57AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from native packages; it makes process of upgrading activities from .xo impossible Yeah, this is really a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:30, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:18:58PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: To avoid space duplication in LTSP environments, ~/Activities can contain symlinks to somewhere in /usr if the deployer wants users to be able to

[Sugar-devel] Participatory design for IT solutions aimed at children

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Since the topic often comes up when Bryan and me are talking about Karma related design and it's also related to an ongoing discussion about toolbar design testing on #sugar I thought the following paper might be of interest to some of you. Designing a Digital Library for Young Children: An

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38:32PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: To avoid space duplication in LTSP environments, ~/Activities can contain symlinks to somewhere in /usr if the deployer wants users to be able to uninstall and upgrade activities. But this won't allow them to downgrade to the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:55, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38:32PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: To avoid space duplication in LTSP environments, ~/Activities can contain symlinks to somewhere in /usr if the deployer wants users to be able to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:37:18AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Since [3] is(in addition) an idea of having composite Journal objects(when we have content of bundle stored somewhere in form of ready to use directly, and this content is represented by one Journal item) we can treat activities like

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:59:43PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: The more important point is that it also works for people installing Sugar from packages on their own system, without manual symlink fiddling. My imagined use case is someone doing a full Sugar desktop installation (by using a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-28 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/28/2009 02:51 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 27 Jul 2009, at 22:26, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/18/2009 04:17 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Caroline, On 17 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Caroline Meeks wrote: We can put it in front of actual kids once you get a sample working. We

Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

2009-07-28 Thread David Van Assche
the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken... David On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:03, Christoph Derndorferchristoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Sugar Almanac so

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 13:36, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:59:43PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: The more important point is that it also works for people installing Sugar from packages on their own system, without manual symlink fiddling. My

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Great thread! Personally I feel very heard by the development team. I personally don't hear the voice of the XO deployments saying what is needed for them. I admit i have limited time and so I focus on things that are relevent to SoaS but I still would have expected to be interacting with

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Class Notes July 22 - GS

2009-07-28 Thread Walter Bender
I think that we could do most of the games with the game logic I can hand off to them in Turtle Art. They won't be doing the back-end programming, but I think they'll learn a lot and they'll have a lot of latitude in creating their games. -walter On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Greg

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes from Penobscot Maine 7-27

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Anyone with Apple Packagemaker expertise that wants to work with a teacher in rural Maine? On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Laura Johns la...@penobscotschool.orgwrote: Hello, I have given up on building a single package for SoaS. I believe this is going to take more expertise than I have been

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Class Notes July 22 - GS

2009-07-28 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Gary, Thanks for the comments and follow up! BTW I have not been able to keep up with all the buddy/tagging/toolbar design discussions. You guys are just too productive :-) When designing, if you have a specific question re: GPA or something you want feedback on from kids, copy me or call out

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 14:43, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com writes: I personally don't hear the voice of the XO deployments saying what is needed for them. When I was in Haiti, being able to interact with Greg was really helpful.  I knew

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Bastien
Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org writes: About having a person at every deployment, some months ago I started creating this list of contacts: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Places Thanks for the reminder. My idea was more to have only *one* person in Sugar responsible to

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Bastien
Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com writes: Greg was answering requests from various horizons (cc'ing Greg to this thread.) (Oops, I forgot to Cc Greg, sorry!) -- Bastien ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 14:58, Bastienbastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote: Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org writes: About having a person at every deployment, some months ago I started creating this list of contacts: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/Places Thanks for the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Transifex

2009-07-28 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello, I think we used to use the Fedora transifex installation at some point in 2007 before moving to Pootle. Currently from what I understand, Transifex is mainly used as a gateway between the upstream VCS and the translator - where the translator uploads a PO file, and Tx takes care of sending

Re: [Sugar-devel] Object Bundles review and inclusion to 0.86/Feature_List request

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Very quick (and possibly unfair) review: there are several manifest + metadata + files, all zipped up formats, some of them very popular in education. In other words, this fits IMS-CP to a T. Yes, we may want to initially support a subset of IMS-CP, or add some additional bits that are of use to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 07/18/2009 04:17 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Caroline, On 17 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Caroline Meeks wrote: We can put it in front of actual kids once you get a sample working. We could even try playing the video for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore DBus API (was: Re: TuxPaint and saving to journal)

2009-07-28 Thread Jim Simmons
Sascha, With regards to Get Internet Archive Books and Read Etexts and View Slides which create Journal entries, it wouldn't be that painful for *me* but it might cause problems for our users. I don't mind updating my own Activities for .86, but I'd like the users who download the latest version

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Guys, I'm reluctant to dive in to a full blown process discussion but I'm not opposed to others doing that :-) Nonetheless, this is a recurring theme which is a barrier to developer engagement so I'll put in my 2 cents. A few weeks ago we exchanged some e-mails abut how to update the wiki

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 17:51, Greg Smithgregsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, I'm reluctant to dive in to a full blown process discussion but I'm not opposed to others doing that :-) Nonetheless, this is a recurring theme which is a barrier to developer engagement so I'll put in my 2

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-28 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 07/28/2009 03:48 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 07/18/2009 04:17 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Caroline, On 17 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Caroline Meeks wrote: We can put it in front of actual kids once you get a sample

Re: [Sugar-devel] TuxPaint and saving to journal (Was: Duplication of effort)

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:30 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote: the activity handbook link on the Almanac page is broken... That doesn't really come as a surprise since the OLPC Austria Web site (where the Activity Handbook is hosted on the wiki) has been down for the past week or

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Albert Cahalan
Daniel Drake writes: Finally, I personally don't like the idea of having activities (as in applications) in the journal. The journal is for recording what the user has done. I think that **uninstalled** activities belong in the journal. An activity can be in the journal like any random data

Re: [Sugar-devel] Object Bundles review and inclusion to 0.86/Feature_List request

2009-07-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:35:05PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: Very quick (and possibly unfair) review: there are several manifest + metadata + files, all zipped up formats, some of them very popular in education. In other words, this fits IMS-CP to a T. Yes, we may want to initially

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 01:01:32PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:37:18AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Since [3] is(in addition) an idea of having composite Journal objects(when we have content of bundle stored somewhere in form of ready to use directly, and this content

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 07/28/2009 03:48 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de  wrote: On 07/18/2009 04:17 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Caroline, On 17 Jul 2009, at 22:14,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundle Activity

2009-07-28 Thread Jim Simmons
Eben, I tried out this Bundle Activity just now. It isn't fully functional and throws Keep errors. The concept of it seems sound though. If I was to create a version of this I'd try to implement a subset of View Slides, the part which enables a user to take images in the Journal and add them

[Sugar-devel] Google's wave protocol

2009-07-28 Thread Albert Cahalan
I just noticed this: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/google-releases-wave-protocol-implementation-source-code.ars It seems to be something for collaboration, including simultaneous editing. Compatibility could be useful. ___ Sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Read ETexts-14

2009-07-28 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Url: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4035 Release notes: This version allows you to highlight passages in ebooks. To highlight a passage select the text with the mouse and press the Underline button on the Read toolbar. This will cause the selected text to appear with a single

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2009/7/28 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 04:48:25 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Yes, if deployers make very clear what is a priority for them and do so in a compelling way, I'm sure volunteer developers will make their plans accordingly. Perhaps the highest priority should

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Csnd] Re: Latest Project

2009-07-28 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi, I did a fresh install of Sugar on a Stick, and found that the current csound-python package doesn't install with the updated Csound5.10. I assume Peter has taken the python package down (or whatever) to work on it. You can just install csound-python by itself and it will upgrade Csound to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?

2009-07-28 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 00:28, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Aleksey, If I was responsible for this I'd cover my tracks better.  I would make Bastien's video insanely popular too. I was paying at least some

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-07-28

2009-07-28 Thread Walter Bender
===Sugar Digest=== 1. Greg Morris from Nexcopy, the company that donated one of their USB Duplicator to Sugar Labs, has been busy with another generous effort. Check out http://recycleusb.com, a website dedicated on turning used flash drives into portable learning devices for children, schools

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:39 AM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/7/28 Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org: The problems that 0.84 has in case of activity versions are: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from  native packages; it makes process of upgrading

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Walter Bender
Apologies for jumping back to the beginning of the thread. Daniel makes some good point here on a theme that have been raised repeatedly over the lifetimes of both the Sugar project and OLPC. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: quoting Tomeu from another thread

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Class Notes July 22 - GS

2009-07-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Greg Smithgregsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I posted the full notes here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Gardner_Pilot_Academy#Class_notes Thanks. Three high level points: - Kids have no trouble finding new activities (e.g. Write) and they want to have

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Walter Bender
2009/7/28 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: On Tuesday 28 July 2009 04:48:25 Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Perhaps the highest priority should be a Live CD/USB that is easily and reliably installable on the hard disk of a machine. I've now tried strawberry and Sugar on Fedora and neither is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/7/28 Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org: The problems that 0.84 has in case of activity versions are: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from  native packages; it makes process of upgrading

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:19:15PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: Sugar on a Stick currently [has Fructose Activities installed] from packages This has changed now in SoaS and F11-on-XO, which both now just use .xos for Fructose and other non-Glucose activities. Martin pgphc53u8MLGc.pgp

Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 00:28, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Aleksey, If I was responsible for this I'd cover my tracks better. I

[Sugar-devel] Downloading data: URIs

2009-07-28 Thread Lucian Branescu
There's a bug in Browse preventing it to save data: URIs. http://trac.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1029 I've implemented a workaround. You can either get that patch or my Browse branch http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/browse/repos/webified to try it out. With data: URIs, web apps can create files and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bastien] helpfr.xo does not launch on F11 on XO-1

2009-07-28 Thread Seth Woodworth
I think the trick would simply be working from .84's hulahop and working backwards. I'll take a look tonight. On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote: Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org writes: On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:07,

Re: [Sugar-devel] python hulahop article

2009-07-28 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 7/27/09 11:28 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On 7/27/09, Brendan Eich bren...@mozilla.com wrote: XPCOM is self-deprecating. It's excessively costly for both callers and implementors of its interfaces, both in runtime overhead and in expressiveness restrictions. i'd say that

Re: [Sugar-devel] python hulahop article

2009-07-28 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
On 7/27/09 1:04 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: where's a better place to discuss this? mozilla.dev.platform (has a google-group and mail mirror, see https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-platform). We are not going to intentionally break other reflection layers without good

Re: [Sugar-devel] python hulahop article

2009-07-28 Thread Todd Whiteman
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On 7/27/09, Benjamin Smedberg benja...@smedbergs.us wrote: Our primary goal is making the fastest and best web platform available. XPCOM has served its purpose but causes our code to be very verbose and hard to maintain, in addition to some significant

Re: [Sugar-devel] python hulahop article

2009-07-28 Thread Brendan Eich
XPCOM is self-deprecating. It's excessively costly for both callers and implementors of its interfaces, both in runtime overhead and in expressiveness restrictions. We aren't going to drop it but we are already optimizing around it, and removing it in future APIs. This doesn't mean multiple

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Class Notes July 22 - GS

2009-07-28 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Greg Smithgregsmit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, Thanks for the comments and follow up! Addressing two points below from two of your responses: 1 - Name in Journal of file saved from browse I may have mixed two issues. This one is not tagging. The work flow

Re: [Sugar-devel] Google's wave protocol

2009-07-28 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed this: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/google-releases-wave-protocol-implementation-source-code.ars It seems to be something for collaboration, including simultaneous editing.

[Sugar-devel] sounds in Speak

2009-07-28 Thread Sameer Verma
Hello everybody, This afternoon, I had an interesting conversation with a Montessori teacher, about Speak. She asked me why Speak says a when a is pressed and not the *sound* of the letter a. Montessori teachers teach the shape and sound of letters first, and then the name of the alphabet. I did

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
It might be useful to come up with some sort of taxonomy of failure: This is the only one I call a failure! won't boot with repeated retries - will boot intermittently I have been seeing less of this one recently. Prior to Strawberry this seemed to happen but now I rarely get a

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust I added some observations on failure modes. I'm not expecting sticks to be usable after going through the wash, but it might help us understand our different sorts of failures. And maybe there

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 28 Jul 2009, at 12:40, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/28/2009 02:51 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 27 Jul 2009, at 22:26, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 07/18/2009 04:17 AM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Caroline, On 17 Jul 2009, at 22:14, Caroline Meeks wrote: We can put it in front of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Physics activity (Was: Release v3 tonight?)

2009-07-28 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Asaf, On 28 Jul 2009, at 02:41, Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote: Great! For now, we will just be unzipping the elements / box2d .egg libraries into lib/ (until we figure out how to include setuptools from within an activity). Will commit this within the next few days. Could you put the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-07-28

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Sevior
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: ===Sugar Digest=== snip Here is where the trouble began. First of all, the version of Turtle Art I used to build the game is newer than the version they had installed on their machines. Normally, this wouldn't be an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Karma git, where to put my early UI designs

2009-07-28 Thread Felipe López Toledo
Hi Christoph I think you should put the content where it supposed to go. I mean, if you're working around /index.html, then the fie must be /index.html in this way we will have the same content. btw. let me know your username in order to add you as a contributor into the project 2009/7/28

Re: [Sugar-devel] Using Nutch for lesson search in Karma

2009-07-28 Thread Felipe López Toledo
while reading Mike Dawson's e-mail on the SDLI I stumbled across his reference to Nutch (http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/Features) and was now wondering whether this might a potential solution for lesson search in Karma? what kind of search do you have in mind? I mean, the Karma lessons use

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen

2009-07-28 Thread Ton van Overbeek
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: This week I'm focusing on issue that make it hard to deploy SoaS. One of these is stick failures.  I believe there is more then one cause to stick failures so I'm going to try to attack them one a time, we don't

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-28 Thread Gary C Martin
On 28 Jul 2009, at 19:03, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 07/28/2009 03:48 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 07/18/2009 04:17 AM, Gary C Martin

[Sugar-devel] Current State of OLPC (XO) and Sugar on a Stick

2009-07-28 Thread Art Hunkins
I did a rather comprehensive test this evening working with Csound materials in the context of the OLPC (XO) and Sugar on a Stick. Here are the results. I'd appreciate continued help to resolve the outstanding issues. Three tests: Test 1: Running a .csd file from the terminal. ALSA driver

Re: [Sugar-devel] Karma git, where to put my early UI designs

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
2009/7/29 Felipe López Toledo zer.subz...@gmail.com Hi Christoph Good morning, I think you should put the content where it supposed to go. I mean, if you're working around /index.html, then the fie must be /index.html in this way we will have the same content. Okay, I'll create a lesson

Re: [Sugar-devel] Using Nutch for lesson search in Karma

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
2009/7/29 Felipe López Toledo zer.subz...@gmail.com while reading Mike Dawson's e-mail on the SDLI I stumbled across his reference to Nutch (http://wiki.apache.org/nutch/Features) and was now wondering whether this might a potential solution for lesson search in Karma? what kind of search

[Sugar-devel] A Fine Tradition...

2009-07-28 Thread Michael Stone
Carrying on a fine tradition of July-based Sugar reflections [1, 2], I'm going to offer some mostly unsolicited advice. (Sorry, Tomeu, but you asked me to write. :^) Dear Sugar Labs, In the past year, you succeeded in removing two important barriers to entry for new developers: you have

[Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-07-28 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
As previously mentioned by Bryan in his Automated Assessment is the Killer App blog post ( http://karmaproject.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/assessment-is-the-killer-app/) student assessment is an important component of Karma. While toying around with the lesson UI I realized that the assessment area