Re: [Sugar-devel] Calculate toolbars work in progress shots

[Frederick Grose]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Gary C Martin  wrote:

> ...
>
>
> OK, this is the best I have right now. As you can see, it is just the old
> Miscellaneous tab content all under an icon (intended for the Constants). If
> I can wrangle the code tomorrow in a way works for old and new toolbars,
> I'll add a couple more constants (Golden Ratio, and Euler's Constant) and
> move Plot, deg/rad, sci/exp, and digits - though I'll have to leave out any
> string changes for the new constants, so their hover palettes are likely to
> be an uninformative φ (lowercase Greek letter phi), γ (lowercase Greek
> gamma):


The icons look nice.

Would it make sense to keep the number base, units, or notation visible on
the primary bar at all times?
Are base 2, 8, 16 number displays supported?

  --Fred
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[Sugar-devel] [Karma] change KSurface 'id' property to 'name'?

[Bryan Berry]

did u get a chance to do this? will u do it today?

if so i will want to refactor adding_up to reflect the change

can we chat on irc quickly now if u r still awake?



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)

[Art Hunkins]

Bill,

Great job, and well thought-out.

Timeout 0 works fine; it's real easy to edit the kexec-loader.conf too.

Art Hunkins

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bogstad" 
To: "Art Hunkins" 
Cc: "iaep" ; "Sugar-dev Devel" 
; ; 
"Walter Bender" 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)


> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins  wrote:
>> With regard to Bill Bogstad's floppy boot disk project for SoaS: it works
>> flawlessly for me. (I've tried it successfully on both an older Windows
>> laptop and desktop - vintages: Pentium II/III.)
>
> Thanks for the feedback!  I wasn't aware that Walter was going to
> announce it this week so I quickly went and put
> a README.html file at the location he published so people would have
> some idea what to do with it.
>
>> I've one suggestion for Bill: for use by children, I'd make everything as
>> automatic as possible. Either delete the display where the user needs to
>> make a choice (it's *way* technical and *I* didn't know what to do), or 
>> put
>> a (10"?) auto-timer on it so that it goes on through (the usual way) 
>> without
>> user intervention.
>
> It's easy to put a timeout in or even eliminate the delay entirely.
> Because a floppy is easily writable (unlike a CD) you
> can even do it yourself.  There is a text file called
> kexec-loader.conf on the floppy.  You should be able to edit it with
> any
> text editor and change the line "timeout off" to have a number
> instead.   It can be either 0 (boot immediately) or wait the specified
> number of seconds.  If you look at the rest of the file you can get
> some idea of what is going on.
>
> It's probably a good time for me to point out that I didn't write the
> software.   I just found it and worked with the author to fix some
> bugs/suggest features that made it work better for GPA.  You can find
> more info about it at:
> www.solemnwarning.net/kexec-loader.  The image I supplied is based on
> the authors most recent release 2.1.1.
>
> Speaking of GPA (who originally requested it), the 'wait for user
> input' is a good thing for their usage case.. They use a shared
> computer lab and wanted to be able to have an instructor go around the
> room inserting floppies and turning machines one before the students
> get there.   (Booting from floppy is slow.)  My understanding is that
> they plan to have students come in, insert their stick into an already
> powered up machine, hit enter, and then go over what they plan to do
> during that computer
> lab with the instructor.  Other environments may want something
> different.  Since floppies are writable changing timeouts and the menu
> text is straightforward.
>
>> For Windows people: I suggest creating the boot disk with RAWriteWin. 
>> It's
>> simple, user-friendly and efficient.
>
> Thanks for the info.  I was hoping there was something other then
> rawrite.exe, but I hadn't researched it.
>
> Take care,
> Bill Bogstad
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Calculate toolbars work in progress shots

[Gary C Martin]

Hi Eben,

On 11 Sep 2009, at 21:01, Eben Eliason wrote:

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Gary C Martin  
wrote:

Hi Eben,

On 11 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Eben Eliason wrote:


Looks great! The icons are quite nice.

My only suggestion is that (still retaining the modularity!) the  
misc

toolbar actually just be added as another secondary toolbar. That
leaves the basic toolbar mostly empty, but that's ok! This is an
instance, I think, where all of the basic functionality of the
calculator lives outside of the toolbar, and each toolbar adds
advanced functionality on top of that. Moreover, "misc" controls  
seem

to be the worst suited for a primary toolbar, which should instead
contain controls that are nearly always useful, or useful in all
contexts.


Thanks, that's pretty much where I was at but wanted another  
opinion :-) The
one exception (for the future) will I hope be the Plot function.  
I'd love to
see that UI improved via a Secondary toolbar, at the least with a  
set of
standard example graphs for folks to plug in values (now that  
matplot lib is

supported).


Yeah, definitely. It would make sense to have a toolbar dedicated to  
that.


I could also see dedicating a toolbar to constants. You've got buttons
for a couple of them. Perhaps a few more could be added. If some don't
have obvious symbols or frequent use, the constants toolbar could also
have a dropdown that read "add a constant" by default, and contained a
list of many with full names to add. A suggested symbol for this would
follow the trend of the color and shape icons in the mockup of the
Paint activity, which showed a small 2x2 grid of colors and shapes,
respectively. I'd use e, pi, phi, and something else.

If constants and graphs had their own secondary toolbars, I could see
an argument for exposing the display mode in the primary toolbar,
since it affects all calculations and could be useful to see at all
times.


Any suggestions for a "Misc" icon? ;-)


I don't, unfortunately, have a good idea for a generic misc icon. It
seems like any option I can think of I would consider bad design,
which might be because using the concept of "leftovers" to group
together a set of tools in a toolbar is just a bad idea. Heh. But
short of breaking out the functionality as described above (which
itself could seem odd without more functions in each toolbar), I don't
have a better idea.

I could get behind leaving the modes and the graph button up there for
now if we could find a few more constants to add to a secondary
constants toolbar and leave it at that. What do you think?


OK, this is the best I have right now. As you can see, it is just the  
old Miscellaneous tab content all under an icon (intended for the  
Constants). If I can wrangle the code tomorrow in a way works for old  
and new toolbars, I'll add a couple more constants (Golden Ratio, and  
Euler's Constant) and move Plot, deg/rad, sci/exp, and digits –  
though I'll have to leave out any string changes for the new  
constants, so their hover palettes are likely to be an uninformative φ  
(lowercase Greek letter phi), γ (lowercase Greek gamma):


<>


Regards,
--Gary

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)

[Bill Bogstad]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins  wrote:
> With regard to Bill Bogstad's floppy boot disk project for SoaS: it works
> flawlessly for me. (I've tried it successfully on both an older Windows
> laptop and desktop - vintages: Pentium II/III.)

Thanks for the feedback!  I wasn't aware that Walter was going to
announce it this week so I quickly went and put
a README.html file at the location he published so people would have
some idea what to do with it.

> I've one suggestion for Bill: for use by children, I'd make everything as
> automatic as possible. Either delete the display where the user needs to
> make a choice (it's *way* technical and *I* didn't know what to do), or put
> a (10"?) auto-timer on it so that it goes on through (the usual way) without
> user intervention.

It's easy to put a timeout in or even eliminate the delay entirely.
Because a floppy is easily writable (unlike a CD) you
can even do it yourself.  There is a text file called
kexec-loader.conf on the floppy.  You should be able to edit it with
any
text editor and change the line "timeout off" to have a number
instead.   It can be either 0 (boot immediately) or wait the specified
number of seconds.  If you look at the rest of the file you can get
some idea of what is going on.

 It's probably a good time for me to point out that I didn't write the
software.   I just found it and worked with the author to fix some
bugs/suggest features that made it work better for GPA.  You can find
more info about it at:
www.solemnwarning.net/kexec-loader.  The image I supplied is based on
the authors most recent release 2.1.1.

Speaking of GPA (who originally requested it), the 'wait for user
input' is a good thing for their usage case.. They use a shared
computer lab and wanted to be able to have an instructor go around the
room inserting floppies and turning machines one before the students
get there.   (Booting from floppy is slow.)  My understanding is that
they plan to have students come in, insert their stick into an already
powered up machine, hit enter, and then go over what they plan to do
during that computer
lab with the instructor.  Other environments may want something
different.  Since floppies are writable changing timeouts and the menu
text is straightforward.

> For Windows people: I suggest creating the boot disk with RAWriteWin. It's
> simple, user-friendly and efficient.

Thanks for the info.  I was hoping there was something other then
rawrite.exe, but I hadn't researched it.

Take care,
Bill Bogstad
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

[Bill Bogstad]

I've been watching this thread since it began and understand that from
a marketing perspective numbers are 'ugly'.
On the other hand, everyone seems to acknowledge that numbers make it
easier to track things from a development and
deployment support perspective.   Obviously, that works best if the
numbers are consistent.  Unfortunately the number usage has NOT been
consistent.

Martin's original web page with proposed logos seems to indicate that
the SoaS Strawberrry release was release 1.   "SoaS 1" is also what
shows up on the the 'ugly?' text oriented plymouth start up screen for
Strawberry as well.   On the other hand, the CD labels as well as the
ISO filenames for Strawberry and its test releases all referred to
themselves as SoaS2.  The current Blueberry? beta ISO calls itself
SoaS3 internally in the same places that Strawberry calls itself
SoaS2.  From a deployment support perspective, this is not a good
thing.

Unfortunately, I can't think of anyway to sink the numbers up again
that won't result in additional possibilities for confusion.  Are we
stuck  documenting the fact that the official release number and
plymouth displayed versions are always one less then the CD label and
ISO filename?

Bill Bogstad
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

[Martin Dengler]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
> re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a
> classroom for Fedora.

Congratulations.

> re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time

Very clear - thanks.

> [Have we agreed on Blueberry as the Name of Record?]

Sebastien?

> thanks
> 
> Sean

Martin


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Road to Sucrose 0.86 - status report

[Aleksey Lim]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 07:41:47PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I wrote an email yesterday about the items that need to be handled to 
> get a good and stable release. So far we have:
> 
> a) The tarballs of the 0.85.6 release are out and can be found at 
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/0.85.6_Notes
> 
> b) Make good release notes (I am working on it)
> 
> c) Make rpms
> - Fedora 12 rpms are done for core and we are finishing rpms of the 
> activities at the moment)
> Aleksey reports:
> - Jhconvert packages have been pushed to karmic(but building still in 
> progress)

to try last release in karmic use
https://launchpad.net/~alsroot/+archive/sugar-0.86

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[Sugar-devel] Negative press (was Re: Sugar Digest 2009-09-11)

[Edward Cherlin]

Oh, don't fret. How about the good, even overenthusiastic, press (off
by one on the version)? ;->

XO 2.5 out

Fudzilla

This newest laptop from OLPC features the VIA C7-M a 1GHz variable speed
processor, which can manage full screen video playback, offering faster
etoys and and scratch animation, larger offline library and storage
capacity, better image capture and remixing and better Java tools.

What is also interesting is that the machine was a doddle to overclock
and managed a blistering 500 Mhz. OK not that fast but better than a
pock in the eye with a short stick.


See all stories on this topic:


Anyway, well done. I either comment or send an author query whenever I
see such ill-informed articles.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Walter Bender  wrote:
> === Sugar Digest ===
>

> 2. There has been a great deal of negative press about One Laptop per
> Child of late--much of it based on misinformation and poor
> fact-checking. I decided to respond to one blog
> [http://www.undispatch.com/node/8859], a particularly disheartening
> one by Alanna Shaikh on a UN Foundation-sponsored site:
>
> I am writing in response to Alanna Shaikh's 9/9/09 article, "One
> Laptop Per Child - The Dream is Over".
>
> Not only is the dream not over, the OLPC project has created an
> opportunity for the pursuit of more dreams by many more people.
>
> I was Nicholas Negroponte's partner in founding One Laptop per Child.
> As Nicholas has elegantly stated in his response to Ms. Shaikh's blog,
> we spawned the netbook market, which is bringing the price of
> computing within reach of millions more people. In addition, we launch
> a free software initiative, Sugar Labs, that is putting educational
> software into the hands of children.
>
> Sugar Labs (www.sugarlabs.org) is an independent outgrowth of OLPC. We
> are a global community of volunteers—teachers and software
> developers—whose mission is to bring the advantages of the Sugar
> learning platform to children everywhere, on any computer. Sugar was
> designed specially for children and offers a better alternative for
> young learners than traditional “office-desktop” software. Indeed,
> nothing in our children's future has anything to do with office work
> from 30 years ago.
>
> Ms. Shaikh is mistaken in her assertion that OLPC has abandoned  “the
> special child-friendly OS.” More than 99% of the OLPC laptops in the
> hands of children run Sugar. Governments prefer Sugar because of its
> superior quality, openness, built-in collaboration, easy
> internationalization and localization to indigenous languages, and
> unbeatable price (free).
>
> Sugar on a Stick, our latest initiative, allows children fortunate
> enough to have access to a computer at school, in the community, at
> home (or only the occasional access to a computer in an Internet café)
> to benefit from Sugar with a simple USB stick, which costs less than
> US $5. Sugar on a Stick runs on netbooks, but it also runs on
> hand-me-down computers, typical of those found in schools, that can
> only limp along running Windows.
>
> We invite you to contact as we will be pleased to answer any of your
> questions about Sugar, the free learning platform used in schools
> every day in countries around the world.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Calculate toolbars work in progress shots

[Eben Eliason]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
> Hi Eben,
>
> On 11 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Eben Eliason wrote:
>
>> Looks great! The icons are quite nice.
>>
>> My only suggestion is that (still retaining the modularity!) the misc
>> toolbar actually just be added as another secondary toolbar. That
>> leaves the basic toolbar mostly empty, but that's ok! This is an
>> instance, I think, where all of the basic functionality of the
>> calculator lives outside of the toolbar, and each toolbar adds
>> advanced functionality on top of that. Moreover, "misc" controls seem
>> to be the worst suited for a primary toolbar, which should instead
>> contain controls that are nearly always useful, or useful in all
>> contexts.
>
> Thanks, that's pretty much where I was at but wanted another opinion :-) The
> one exception (for the future) will I hope be the Plot function. I'd love to
> see that UI improved via a Secondary toolbar, at the least with a set of
> standard example graphs for folks to plug in values (now that matplot lib is
> supported).

Yeah, definitely. It would make sense to have a toolbar dedicated to that.

I could also see dedicating a toolbar to constants. You've got buttons
for a couple of them. Perhaps a few more could be added. If some don't
have obvious symbols or frequent use, the constants toolbar could also
have a dropdown that read "add a constant" by default, and contained a
list of many with full names to add. A suggested symbol for this would
follow the trend of the color and shape icons in the mockup of the
Paint activity, which showed a small 2x2 grid of colors and shapes,
respectively. I'd use e, pi, phi, and something else.

If constants and graphs had their own secondary toolbars, I could see
an argument for exposing the display mode in the primary toolbar,
since it affects all calculations and could be useful to see at all
times.

> Any suggestions for a "Misc" icon? ;-)

I don't, unfortunately, have a good idea for a generic misc icon. It
seems like any option I can think of I would consider bad design,
which might be because using the concept of "leftovers" to group
together a set of tools in a toolbar is just a bad idea. Heh. But
short of breaking out the functionality as described above (which
itself could seem odd without more functions in each toolbar), I don't
have a better idea.

I could get behind leaving the modes and the graph button up there for
now if we could find a few more constants to add to a secondary
constants toolbar and leave it at that. What do you think?

Eben


>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Gary C Martin
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's a quick set of screen grabs of a patch for Calculates toolbars,
>>> I'm
>>> making the code work for 0.82, 0.84 (keeping old style tab toolbars), and
>>> 0.86 (new style toolbars). To keep high re-use and minimum changes of
>>> code
>>> between the two toolbar styles, I'm using the same code for generating
>>> each
>>> toolbar, and the old 'Miscellaneous' tab content is being shown in the
>>> primary new toolbar design.
>>>
>>> Give me a shout if you have any feedback! I'll push my changes to a git
>>> clone of Calculate later tonight (all things going well):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> --Gary
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Calculate toolbars work in progress shots

[Gary C Martin]

Hi Eben,

On 11 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Eben Eliason wrote:

> Looks great! The icons are quite nice.
>
> My only suggestion is that (still retaining the modularity!) the misc
> toolbar actually just be added as another secondary toolbar. That
> leaves the basic toolbar mostly empty, but that's ok! This is an
> instance, I think, where all of the basic functionality of the
> calculator lives outside of the toolbar, and each toolbar adds
> advanced functionality on top of that. Moreover, "misc" controls seem
> to be the worst suited for a primary toolbar, which should instead
> contain controls that are nearly always useful, or useful in all
> contexts.

Thanks, that's pretty much where I was at but wanted another  
opinion :-) The one exception (for the future) will I hope be the Plot  
function. I'd love to see that UI improved via a Secondary toolbar, at  
the least with a set of standard example graphs for folks to plug in  
values (now that matplot lib is supported).

Any suggestions for a "Misc" icon? ;-)

Regards,
--Gary

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Gary C Martin  
> wrote:
>> Here's a quick set of screen grabs of a patch for Calculates  
>> toolbars, I'm
>> making the code work for 0.82, 0.84 (keeping old style tab  
>> toolbars), and
>> 0.86 (new style toolbars). To keep high re-use and minimum changes  
>> of code
>> between the two toolbar styles, I'm using the same code for  
>> generating each
>> toolbar, and the old 'Miscellaneous' tab content is being shown in  
>> the
>> primary new toolbar design.
>>
>> Give me a shout if you have any feedback! I'll push my changes to a  
>> git
>> clone of Calculate later tonight (all things going well):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Gary
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Calculate toolbars work in progress shots

[Eben Eliason]

Looks great! The icons are quite nice.

My only suggestion is that (still retaining the modularity!) the misc
toolbar actually just be added as another secondary toolbar. That
leaves the basic toolbar mostly empty, but that's ok! This is an
instance, I think, where all of the basic functionality of the
calculator lives outside of the toolbar, and each toolbar adds
advanced functionality on top of that. Moreover, "misc" controls seem
to be the worst suited for a primary toolbar, which should instead
contain controls that are nearly always useful, or useful in all
contexts.

Eben


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Gary C Martin wrote:
> Here's a quick set of screen grabs of a patch for Calculates toolbars, I'm
> making the code work for 0.82, 0.84 (keeping old style tab toolbars), and
> 0.86 (new style toolbars). To keep high re-use and minimum changes of code
> between the two toolbar styles, I'm using the same code for generating each
> toolbar, and the old 'Miscellaneous' tab content is being shown in the
> primary new toolbar design.
>
> Give me a shout if you have any feedback! I'll push my changes to a git
> clone of Calculate later tonight (all things going well):
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
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[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Road to Sucrose 0.86 - status report

[Simon Schampijer]

Hi,

I wrote an email yesterday about the items that need to be handled to 
get a good and stable release. So far we have:

a) The tarballs of the 0.85.6 release are out and can be found at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/0.85.6_Notes

b) Make good release notes (I am working on it)

c) Make rpms
- Fedora 12 rpms are done for core and we are finishing rpms of the 
activities at the moment)
Aleksey reports:
- Jhconvert packages have been pushed to karmic(but building still in 
progress)
- Mandriva packages are dependent on a global rebuilding 8h queue
- Suse's build service has 3days downtime
- Building gentoo at the moment

Next important item is a new Soas build. Once all the Fedora rpms are 
built we are good to go here as well.

I heard not back from anyone willing to lead the triaging efforts. Would 
be really nice to have someone taking that item! Are there any testing 
teams already?

Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)

[Art Hunkins]

With regard to Bill Bogstad's floppy boot disk project for SoaS: it works 
flawlessly for me. (I've tried it successfully on both an older Windows 
laptop and desktop - vintages: Pentium II/III.)

I've one suggestion for Bill: for use by children, I'd make everything as 
automatic as possible. Either delete the display where the user needs to 
make a choice (it's *way* technical and *I* didn't know what to do), or put 
a (10"?) auto-timer on it so that it goes on through (the usual way) without 
user intervention.

For Windows people: I suggest creating the boot disk with RAWriteWin. It's 
simple, user-friendly and efficient.

Great job, Bill.

Art Hunkins

- Original Message - 
From: "Walter Bender" 
To: 
Cc: "iaep" ; "Sugar-dev Devel" 

Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-09-11


=== Sugar Digest ===

7. Bill Bogstad has been working on a floppy boot disk for Sugar on a
Stick. See http://people.sugarlabs.org/~bogstad/floppy/ for more
details.

-walter
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Log-23

[Simon Schampijer]

== Source ==

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==News==
Error in Tamil translation
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[Sugar-devel] [GPA] Re: [ST] PC giveaway

[Bill Bogstad]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Caroline Meeks  wrote:
> Do these look good enough to go for?
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ellen Kranzer 
> Date: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:09 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [ST] PC giveaway
> To: caroliner...@alum.mit.edu
>
>
>
> Some PCs up for grabs, I don't know if these would be useful for your
> project, but you may want to check this out.
>
> -- Ellen
>


>
> I have two PCs which were lent to Arisia / Boskone / etc. in the past as
> "office" PCs but not in the last year.  Rather than continue to hold on to
> them (since I also have the faster / newer ones which were used this last
> year), I was wondering if anyone wants them.  They are both reasonable PCs
> for Word, etc. and acceptable for web browsing but they certainly aren't
> fast game machines.
>
> Both have Windows XP Pro SP2, Office 2003 (I think, maybe Office XP),
> McAfee, and a variety of other software
>
> First machine:
>
> HP Vectra LV 420DT (desktop - non tower)
> 1.6 GHz (Pentinum I beleive)
> 512 MB of memory (PC133 IIRC)
> 20 GB disk (probably ~10 GB free)
> CDRW (this machine will *not* support a DVD drive - it crashes for some
> reason even after a complete reinstall - I've tried with two DVD drives
> which work in other machines)
> Keyboard
> Mouse
> ~17" CRT Monitor (if desired)

I think it's actually a Pentium IV.  Should be similar to the other
machines that we had on Monday.


> Second machine:
>
> HP Pavillion 8776C (tower)
> 1.6 GHz (AMD)
> 512 MB of memory (I believe this is maxed out) (PC133 IIRC)
> 60 GB (48 GB free)
> CD RW
> DVD ROM (while this machine can play DVDs, it is not a good machine to watch
> DVDs on as the fan runs all the time)
> Keyboard
> Mouse
> ~17" CRT Monitor (if desired)

Couldn't find as much info in this machine, but I would say yes as well.

Bill
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-09-11

[Walter Bender]

=== Sugar Digest ===

1. During yesterday's developer meeting on IRC we spontaneously
declared that Aleksey Lim (alsroot) is Sugar Labs "Volunteer of the
Month". Some quotes from Aleksey's peers: "Now that we have alsroot
fixing bugs, maybe we don't need any other people"; "We passed a
tipping point a few days back when alsroot was fixing faster than I
was able to report them." Many kudos to Aleksey!!

2. There has been a great deal of negative press about One Laptop per
Child of late--much of it based on misinformation and poor
fact-checking. I decided to respond to one blog
[http://www.undispatch.com/node/8859], a particularly disheartening
one by Alanna Shaikh on a UN Foundation-sponsored site:

I am writing in response to Alanna Shaikh's 9/9/09 article, "One
Laptop Per Child - The Dream is Over".

Not only is the dream not over, the OLPC project has created an
opportunity for the pursuit of more dreams by many more people.

I was Nicholas Negroponte's partner in founding One Laptop per Child.
As Nicholas has elegantly stated in his response to Ms. Shaikh's blog,
we spawned the netbook market, which is bringing the price of
computing within reach of millions more people. In addition, we launch
a free software initiative, Sugar Labs, that is putting educational
software into the hands of children.

Sugar Labs (www.sugarlabs.org) is an independent outgrowth of OLPC. We
are a global community of volunteers—teachers and software
developers—whose mission is to bring the advantages of the Sugar
learning platform to children everywhere, on any computer. Sugar was
designed specially for children and offers a better alternative for
young learners than traditional “office-desktop” software. Indeed,
nothing in our children's future has anything to do with office work
from 30 years ago.

Ms. Shaikh is mistaken in her assertion that OLPC has abandoned  “the
special child-friendly OS.” More than 99% of the OLPC laptops in the
hands of children run Sugar. Governments prefer Sugar because of its
superior quality, openness, built-in collaboration, easy
internationalization and localization to indigenous languages, and
unbeatable price (free).

Sugar on a Stick, our latest initiative, allows children fortunate
enough to have access to a computer at school, in the community, at
home (or only the occasional access to a computer in an Internet café)
to benefit from Sugar with a simple USB stick, which costs less than
US $5. Sugar on a Stick runs on netbooks, but it also runs on
hand-me-down computers, typical of those found in schools, that can
only limp along running Windows.

We invite you to contact as we will be pleased to answer any of your
questions about Sugar, the free learning platform used in schools
every day in countries around the world.

3. We will be holding the Oversight Board election this month. Details
to follow soon.

=== Help wanted ===

4. Simon Schampijer (erikos), the Sugar Release Manager, has put out a
request for help with our pending 0.86 release. We are looking for
someone to lead a triaging crew. Duties would include: organizing
daily—or every second day—meetings for triaging bugs with the Bug
Squad. It mainly involves being responsive to incoming bugs. Read more
about the [[BugSquad]] in the wiki. Simon is happy to answer any
questions.

Simon is also looking for help with testing. We need testing plans for
each new [[0.86/Feature_List]] that landed in 0.86. We are looking for
someone or a group of people to arrange the testing plans (many of
which are contained in Trac tickets) on a wiki page so that testers
can test them.

Once we have the 0.86 packages in the distributions, we will announce
it on the mailing list. You are welcome to report bugs you find in
[http://dev.sugarlabs.org]. Of course we welcome any efforts to form
testing teams and/or to arrange for testing days. Please use the
mailing list to coordinate those efforts, so that as many people as
possible can join in the fun.

=== In the community ===

5. The Uruguay National Public Education Administration Council of
Early Childhood Education and Primary Public Relations announced a
contest [http://www.uruguaypiensa.org.uy], "Uruguay of Ideas" directed
towards school students and teachers to blogs about ideas for Plan
Ceibal, the Uruguay OLPC/Sugar deployment.

6. There will be a Sugar/OLPC meeting in Buenos Aires on Saturday, 26
September. It will be held at the headquarters of the American Open
University, Montes de Oca 745 from 9:00 to 13:00.

===Tech Talk===

7. Bill Bogstad has been working on a floppy boot disk for Sugar on a
Stick. See http://people.sugarlabs.org/~bogstad/floppy/ for more
details.

8. Simon and the release team continue to make great progress towards
the release of Sugar 0.86. Some of the new features—e.g., the new
toolbars—are brilliant. 0.86 will be a great step forward for Sugar.

===Sugar Labs===

9. Gary Martin has generated a SOM from the past week of discussion on
the IAEP mailing list (Please see
[[:

Re: [Sugar-devel] installing Surf on 0.82?

[Bobby Powers]

I would be interested to hear how it works, I don't think I tried it
on OLPC's 8.2.x builds.  Unfortunately I don't have time to work on it
at the present, but the one major component it is missing is download
support.  When I ported Surf (it was less than a day of hacking from
Browse -> Surf) WebKitGtk had just gotten download support and it
wasn't in the python bindings yet.  Download support should have
filtered through to most disto packages by this point, so if someone
wants to explore webkit it would be a great little project.  I'm also
going to paste in the TODO from the original email announcement.

yours,
Bobby

http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/browse/repos/webkit


what works:
- browsing
- bookmarks (although their label seems to be blank)
- full page zoom
- full screen mode
- page-loading progress bar

what doesn't:
- persistant history - not saved across sessions (or journal entries)
- clipboard/undo/redo - should be simple
- back and forward buttons - you can go back and forward through your
history, but autocomplete and skipping back or forward in the history
is not implemented.  shouldn't be too hard to complete/
- file downloading - just landed yesterday in webkit's gtk bindings.
- im sure there are other things I forgot

I'm typing this in Surf - the most annoying 'feature' so far is that
my arrow keys wont navigate around the textbox.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Lucian Branescu
 wrote:
> I installed all packages containing gnome and python and it worked. I
> think python-gnome2 did the trick, but I'm not sure.
>
> 2009/9/11 Bryan Berry :
>> I am trying to install Surf on 0.82
>> http://dev.laptop.org/~bobbyp/surf/
>>
>> I have to tried to install the dependencies as written in the notes:
>>
>> sudo yum install pywebkitgtk WebKit-gtk gnome-python2-gconf
>>
>> i have enabled the repos for:
>> fedora-updates-newkey.repo
>> fedora-updates.repo
>> fedora.repo
>> fedora-updates-testing-newkey.repo
>> fedora-updates-testing.repo
>>
>> and disabled olpc-development.repo
>>
>> I am able to install all the dependencies except gnome-python2-gconf
>>
>> i get the error
>>
>> missing dependency: gnome-python2
>>
>> but when i try to update gnome-python2 yum tells me that it is already
>> installed, w/ the same version number that yum asked for earlier.
>>
>> would appreciate any advice
>>
>> --
>> Bryan W. Berry
>> Technology Director
>> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Feature Freeze] Request for exception for Chat-66

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 15:09, Simon Schampijer  wrote:
> On 09/09/2009 12:01 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
>> == Source ==
>>
>> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Chat/Chat-66.tar.bz2
>>
>> == News ==
>>
>> * Utilize new toolbars design
>> * Add new translations: mg, sq, ta
>
> Looks good to me.

+1 if Aleksey or you are going to fix any bugs related to the new
toolbars in Chat.

Thanks,

Tomeu

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Re: [Sugar-devel] installing Surf on 0.82?

[Lucian Branescu]

I installed all packages containing gnome and python and it worked. I
think python-gnome2 did the trick, but I'm not sure.

2009/9/11 Bryan Berry :
> I am trying to install Surf on 0.82
> http://dev.laptop.org/~bobbyp/surf/
>
> I have to tried to install the dependencies as written in the notes:
>
> sudo yum install pywebkitgtk WebKit-gtk gnome-python2-gconf
>
> i have enabled the repos for:
> fedora-updates-newkey.repo
> fedora-updates.repo
> fedora.repo
> fedora-updates-testing-newkey.repo
> fedora-updates-testing.repo
>
> and disabled olpc-development.repo
>
> I am able to install all the dependencies except gnome-python2-gconf
>
> i get the error
>
> missing dependency: gnome-python2
>
> but when i try to update gnome-python2 yum tells me that it is already
> installed, w/ the same version number that yum asked for earlier.
>
> would appreciate any advice
>
> --
> Bryan W. Berry
> Technology Director
> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Feature Freeze] Request for exception for Chat-66

[Simon Schampijer]

On 09/09/2009 12:01 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> == Source ==
>
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Chat/Chat-66.tar.bz2
>
> == News ==
>
> * Utilize new toolbars design
> * Add new translations: mg, sq, ta

Looks good to me.

Regards,
Simon
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Log-22

[Simon Schampijer]

== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Log/Log-22.tar.bz2

==News==
* Make the share button insensitive and add the keep one
* New languages
* Updated translations
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-112

[Simon Schampijer]

== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/Browse/Browse-112.tar.bz2

== News ==

* Object chooser remains shown after activity has been closed #1192
* adopt to toolbar API change
   expanded property is now set_expanded(state)
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-datastore-0.85.3

[Simon Schampijer]

== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-datastore/sugar-datastore-0.85.3.tar.bz2

== News ==

* Memory leaks after many get_properties() ds calls #1240
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

[Martin Dengler]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:00:09AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 04:04, Martin Dengler  
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:01:47AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:43:31PM -0300, Andrés Nacelle wrote:
> >> > Hi guys, basically I'm trying to do a SoaS or a live CD with the image we
> >> > are using now on the XO, which has our own selection of activities and
> >> > packages.
> >>
> >> You want to take an XO-1's filesystem from its NAND and make it
> >> bootable on another machine via a USB key?
> >>
> >> It might be easier (but it's by no means quick, and probably not easy
> >> either) to re-create the SoaS .ISO.
> >>
> >> Based on the information at the top of:
> >>
> >> http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline/tree/BUILDING
> >>
> >> ...you could:
> >>
> >> git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/soas/devxo.git xo-soas
> >
> > That should be:
> >
> > git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline.git xo-soas
> 
> But that would give Andres a live image with 0.84, right?

Yes.

> I thought he wanted the same Sugar and activities versions as Ceibal
> is distributing.

I see what you mean.  I just read "I'm trying to do a SoaS" and
To: sugar-de...@lists.sl.o and assumed he might be interested.  If he
wants an OLPC build with his activities, then as you say:

> If he wants Sugar 0.82 for regular hardware then I think that making a
> custom live image of Fedora 9 would be the way to go.

> >> Martin
>
> HTH,
> 
> Tomeu

Martin


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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-0.85.7

[Tomeu Vizoso]

== Source ==

http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.85.7.tar.bz2

== News ==

* Do not fail on treemodel switching #1318
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 04:04, Martin Dengler  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:01:47AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:43:31PM -0300, Andrés Nacelle wrote:
>> > Hi guys, basically I'm trying to do a SoaS or a live CD with the image we
>> > are using now on the XO, which has our own selection of activities and
>> > packages.
>>
>> You want to take an XO-1's filesystem from its NAND and make it
>> bootable on another machine via a USB key?
>>
>> It might be easier (but it's by no means quick, and probably not easy
>> either) to re-create the SoaS .ISO.
>>
>> Based on the information at the top of:
>>
>> http://cgit.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline/tree/BUILDING
>>
>> ...you could:
>>
>> git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/soas/devxo.git xo-soas
>
> That should be:
>
> git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/soas/mainline.git xo-soas

But that would give Andres a live image with 0.84, right? I thought he
wanted the same Sugar and activities versions as Ceibal is
distributing.

If he wants Sugar 0.82 for regular hardware then I think that making a
custom live image of Fedora 9 would be the way to go.

If that's the case, then asking in fedora-olpc may be the best bet, as
there's people very knowledgeable about fedora's live images:

https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list

HTH,

Tomeu

>> Martin
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[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Testing Plan policy - Stabilizing phase

[Simon Schampijer]

Dear all,

as we are in our critical phase to stabilize the 0.86 release (1 week to 
go) [1], we request every bug fix to be tight to a ticket including a 
testing plan [2].

This will help the testers to verify the fix and avoid regressions.

Thanks for all your hard work,
Your release team

[1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Roadmap#Schedule
[2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release#Stabilizing

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