Re: [Sugar-devel] XO emulator for Linux
Hi Edward, thank you for pointing out (and all our interested students listen to that), that ideas for new activities must be checked for how the idea can be realized more efficiently (and more flexibly accessible for the learners) by use of existing activities ... Edward Cherlin wrote: [...] Note that you can build materials inside many Sugar Activities, including Turtle Art, Etoys, Scratch, Pippy, the MIDI music apps, and others, and you can build lesson plans around others, including Measure and Record for scientific data acquisition and so on. I will be happy to assist your students in exercising their imaginations in these directions. This sounds great ! How could we approach this really kind offer from you ? (I myself are still a beginner in the field) I am currently designing a gravity/relativity exhibit for a contest organized by The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose. Mythbusters just did a show on this very subject, testing whether a bullet fired level from a gun will hit the ground at the same time as a bullet dropped from the same height. This and the fact that the parallel projection of a parabola is a parabola are both aspects of Galilean relativity. http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-simultaneous-bullet-release.html Thank you for this hint, too ! Just a little far for an active contribution from Graz ;-) And we are willing to contribute ! [...] Walther -- Walther Neuper Mailto: neu...@ist.tugraz.at Institute for Software Technology Tel: +43-(0)316/873-5728 University of Technology Fax: +43-(0)316/873-5706 Graz, Austria Home: www.ist.tugraz.at/neuper ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Turtle Art-73
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4027 Sugar Platform: from 0.82 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29276 Release notes: * raise status flag when catching overflow error * clean up of de, it, fr, es artwork * fixed bug related to blocks running off the left edge * cleaned up command-line code Reviewer comments: Trusted activity Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Tetum localisation
On 10/12/2009 08:18 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Hi I have joined this list and done a bit of localization of Bislama (Vanuatu) to learn about the localization process. A few questions: There doesnt seem to be a Tetum (Tetun) project. This is the first language of the people of Timor Leste (East Timor) with 800,000 speakers. Two classes (50 XO's) are a planned for a December deployment. I presume there's no downside in requesting a Tetum project be commenced? What is the cycle time for the localization to appear in the next XO build? Can we patch an existing build to include a new localization? To get a feel for localization, I have been adding strings to Pootle for Bislama using a dictionary, My thought was that if I could do the easy 25% it might prompt someone to do the hard 75%. Is there a downside to leaving my incomplete and possibly inept efforts on Pootle? I found somewhere a suggestion as how to prioritise the order in which you translate but have since lost it. Is there any point in doing the 082 and 084 strings if the next release is 086? The main question is, what version of Sugar you run on the XOs. If you use the native olpc builds you are stuck with 0.82 afaik. If you use a recent build generated by soas you can use 0.86. Activities like TA run on 0.82-0.86 so here you can just translate the latest activity version. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Re : Release Turtle Art-73
Seems it's not there... http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/4027/turtle_art-73.xo Not Found The requested URL /activities/4027/turtle_art-73.xo was not found on this server. ciao carlo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Flash experience
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 06:17, Paulo Coutinho pa...@prsolucoes.com wrote: Anyone have experience with flash player on XO Laptop? It have a good performance? All function good? Hi, performance is not very good, but if good enough depends on what you need. There has been some work in investigating Flash performance on different players, versions and versions of the XO OS, you can find more in the archives of http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/ and in http://dev.laptop.org/ . That said, if you want to develop new educative content, using Flash is usually a bad choice. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Strings missing in 0.86 r. 04_10_2009 ReadEtext
Hi, I fw in checking and I also find some strings missing in: ReadEtext: Books (in the main toolbar) Toggle Bookmarks (in the Leggi bar) FullScreen (in the Vista bar) Play/Pause and all the languages names (in the Parla bar) - viewslides: most of strings (with leggi exception...) - Typing Turtle Most of comments strings: like: Hihowahyah! Ready to learn the secret of fast typing?\n - Flipsticks most of strings ... - Cartoon builder doesn't start in VM so I can't tell ciao carlo --- Ven 9/10/09, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com ha scritto: Da: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Oggetto: Re: [Sugar-devel] Strings missing in 0.86 r. 04_10_2009 A: Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it Cc: localizat...@lists.laptop.org, sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Venerdì 9 ottobre 2009, 20:47 Hi Carlo, Thanks for the feedback: On 9 Oct 2009, at 18:16, Carlo Falciola wrote: I'm starting a little testing on the latest .iso: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/soas01.iso, (5 Oct 2009). (from http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Linux#SoaS_v2 wiki page) in a VM (VMware now). After I switched to italian via control panel , I noted that there are several strings still defaulted to english even if I can find them in pootle and they are translated and committed: a few examples: 1. all activity names 2. memorize (add and update) 3. write (search, Left/Right/Center/Fill Justify...) Hmmm, odd... The code source looks correct, the .pot file has all these strings, but the it.po file I'm looking at here is missing the entries. These strings go way back, so I can't imagine this is a recent change (unless they only recently went in as Italian strings). I'll poke some more through the other language .po files. 4. Turtleart (all the blocks in palettes) 5. Physics Create Code is good, but I can confirm that Create is missing from the .pot file, apologies, must be my bad as I added the localisation resources into Physics :-) I need to work on new toolbars so will fix this at the same time. 6. Jigsaw puzzle (none: all still english) 7. Infoslicer (none: all still english) 8. Calculate (strings in the Misc tab) Code is good, but I can confirm that Miscellaneous is missing from the .pot file, again not a recent addition so this must have been missing since way back, I can gat this one fixed. I try to do some testing in a second language (usually Spanish) but it's easy for me to not notice something. These kind of reports are really useful so thanks again for taking the time to test and send feedback!! Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Strings missing in 0.86 r. 04_10_2009 ReadEtext
Hi Carlo, On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it wrote: - Typing Turtle Most of comments strings: like: Hihowahyah! Ready to learn the secret of fast typing?\n Typing Turtle doesn't use the standard localization system for its lesson data: different keyboard layouts change the lessons too much for it to make any sense. The latest version does ship with a GUI lesson editor though, and if anyone wants to help out with the lesson development effort they're welcome to! (Hmmm, perhaps for translators I should include a dummy string like TRANSLATORS: To translate lesson content, ...) -Wade ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
As the reporter of the above bug, and with regard to (1) below: I'm very disappointed that the Restart option has been dropped. With SoaS, I've used it when importing Activities (reboot is necessary to show the new Activity on the Activity List), and when needing to reboot into Windows (which happens all the time). In both cases, reboot saves considerable time over shutdown. It would be helpful, I think, for feedback to be solicited on this list (and possibly others) before *features are removed* and not replaced by something comparable. Then again, perhaps this issue pertains uniquely to SoaS rather than Sugar generally. If so, might not the SoaS implementation of Sugar appropriately be unique in some respects? With regard to (2), I wish I could test on more recent snapshots, but have been unable to successfully build such sticks using the Fedora Stick-Builder and SoaS3 .iso's. (Could the XO menu problem [and it is/was real] perhaps be related to differing monitor resolutions?) Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com To: abhun...@uncg.edu Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:44 AM Subject: [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete That has actually been a design decision made by the Sugar Team for the 0.86 release, so (1) intentional. I can't reproduce (2) here with the latest snapshots. I'm closing this for now, please feel free to reopen it or ask on-list. ** Changed in: soas Status: New = Won't Fix -- Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422302 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Sugar on a Stick: Won't Fix Bug description: SoaS-2-beta: the drop-down menu for the user (XO) icon is incomplete. 1) It lacks the Restart option (I use this all the time); 2) When the icon is right-clicked, in addition, a good portion of the Shutdown option is obscured. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: I've used it when importing Activities (reboot is necessary to show the new Activity on the Activity List) FWIW, you can simply restart X via either: CTRL+ALT+Backspace or ALT+SYSREQ+B (Alt+PrtScr+B) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
Hello guys, graphics are not really 'my thing', but I'll have a look and see what i can do Cheers On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Read formats...
Do we have a list of supported formats on the latest Read version? I couldn't find any on the activities.sl.o page and the olpc page is old... Sameer -- Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Associate Professor, Information Systems Director, Center for Business Solutions San Francisco State University http://verma.sfsu.edu/ http://cbs.sfsu.edu/ http://is.sfsu.edu/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu onXO icon incomplete
This works for me fine on the XO-1, but aborts on both my working SoaS (Strawberry) sticks (on Windows XP computers). It aborts on my EeePC900 Linux netbook as well. It semi-shuts down and never restarts. Are other SoaS developers working with SoaS *actually on a USB drive* created by the Fedora USB Creator and installing various .iso's via this method? Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Luke Faraone To: Art Hunkins Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu onXO icon incomplete On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: I've used it when importing Activities (reboot is necessary to show the new Activity on the Activity List) FWIW, you can simply restart X via either: CTRL+ALT+Backspace or ALT+SYSREQ+B (Alt+PrtScr+B) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc -- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Read formats...
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Do we have a list of supported formats on the latest Read version? I couldn't find any on the activities.sl.o page and the olpc page is old... Sameer It depends. The core format is still PDF, but if the right dependencies are installed, Read supports * PDF * DJVU * Postscript * CBZ/CBR * Tiff images * Epub Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
Using inkscape to convert the png file to SVG, it generates an SVG file which includes the png image: image xlink:href=fondo.png x=0 y=0 width=786 height=900 id=image2670 / The idea it to draw in the above SVG file ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, graphics are not really 'my thing', but I'll have a look and see what i can do Cheers On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:17 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Using inkscape to convert the png file to SVG, it generates an SVG file which includes the png image: image xlink:href=fondo.png x=0 y=0 width=786 height=900 id=image2670 / The idea it to draw in the above SVG file ? yes, and to create nodes at particular coordinates that label the city, mountain, point of interest On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, graphics are not really 'my thing', but I'll have a look and see what i can do Cheers On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
Looks ok to me but I am no expert. Did u use edge detection in inkscape? On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:33 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Hello again guys, I tried several times converting the png to svg (without embedding the png file) and results were awful... I just tried vectormagic.com (Stanford univ) and the results were way better, what do you think ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Using inkscape to convert the png file to SVG, it generates an SVG file which includes the png image: image xlink:href=fondo.png x=0 y=0 width=786 height=900 id=image2670 / The idea it to draw in the above SVG file ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, graphics are not really 'my thing', but I'll have a look and see what i can do Cheers On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Fw: [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu onXO icon incomplete
Reading further about experimental SoaS .iso images: I've been installing them with the Fedora USB Creator utility. I'm wondering now if this is possible, or will that utility only write the original SoaS Strawberry (of the SoaS releases, that is)? Frankly, I'm not a Linux person (I'm a Windows person), and want to keep all my dealings with the Linux techno stuff as simple as possible. Just reading about the other ways of creating USB sticks gives me a headache, and sounds like foreign language. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Art Hunkins To: Luke Faraone Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu onXO icon incomplete This works for me fine on the XO-1, but aborts on both my working SoaS (Strawberry) sticks (on Windows XP computers). It aborts on my EeePC900 Linux netbook as well. It semi-shuts down and never restarts. Are other SoaS developers working with SoaS *actually on a USB drive* created by the Fedora USB Creator and installing various .iso's via this method? Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: Luke Faraone To: Art Hunkins Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu onXO icon incomplete On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote: I've used it when importing Activities (reboot is necessary to show the new Activity on the Activity List) FWIW, you can simply restart X via either: CTRL+ALT+Backspace or ALT+SYSREQ+B (Alt+PrtScr+B) -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc -- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422299] Re: SoaS-2-beta: doesn't recognize other USB drives
Has anyone tried burning soas02 to USB using the Fedora USB Creator utility? Or doesn't that work? If not, I wonder why not? (It doesn't seem to work for me.) Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: satellit satel...@bendbroadband.com To: abhun...@uncg.edu Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: [Bug 422299] Re: SoaS-2-beta: doesn't recognize other USB drives soas02 burned to USB with sh script now shows 2nd USB on frame when inserted and removes it correctly -- SoaS-2-beta: doesn't recognize other USB drives https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/422299 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in Sugar on a Stick: New Bug description: SoaS-2-beta does not recognize other USB drives. This can be seen in both Journal view, and when trying to access USB drives via Terminal ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Re : Release Turtle Art-73
Carlo, I forced Turtle Art to use Italian and it worked fine. So I suspect that there is something wrong with either the way I am detecting the language setting: lang = locale.getdefaultlocale()[0] or there is something wrong with your language setting. Can you see what the above code returns within your Sugar Python environment? You'll need to: import locale print locale.getdefaultlocale()[0] regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Conozco Uruguay-7
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4199 Sugar Platform: from 0.82 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29277 Release notes: Reviewer comments: This request has been approved. Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422299] Re: SoaS-2-beta: doesn't recognize other USB drives
Try using: http://download2.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ soas02.iso r...@xxx//xxx/Desktop# ./tools_livecd-iso-to-disk.sh --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 300 --delete-home --extra-kernel-args selinux=0 ./soas02.iso /dev/sd(x)* works on EeePC900 wirelessly also on hp Pavillion Laptop (wired) (2nd USB is now recognized in frame when booted from sugar USB) * be sure of the usb device name... zyx-liveinstaller works to write to USB but leaves |selinux=0| out so boot is stopped by selinux. Tom Gilliard satellit Art Hunkins wrote: Has anyone tried burning soas02 to USB using the Fedora USB Creator utility? Or doesn't that work? If not, I wonder why not? (It doesn't seem to work for me.) Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: satellit satel...@bendbroadband.com To: abhun...@uncg.edu Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: [Bug 422299] Re: SoaS-2-beta: doesn't recognize other USB drives soas02 burned to USB with sh script now shows 2nd USB on frame when inserted and removes it correctly ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Strings missing in 0.86 r. 04_10_2009 ReadEtext
Carlo (and anyone else), I want to do everything possible to help my Activities get properly translated. Problem is, I'm not sure if there's something I should be doing that I'm not doing. I have my Activities in pootle. I run python setup.py genpot when I add new Strings to the Activities. When I do git pull I often see content that seems to be coming from pootle, which I then add to the MANIFEST. But I don't know how to test my Activities with different languages. Using the Control Panel in the Sugar test environment supplied with Fedora 10 and 11 doesn't seem to work. I have to shutdown and restart the environment after changing the language, and after that it seems nothing really got changed. If it looks like I'm not doing something I should be please let me know. James Simmons Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:41:07 + (GMT) From: Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Strings missing in 0.86 r. 04_10_2009 ReadEtext To: Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Cc: localizat...@lists.laptop.org, sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Message-ID: 132886.14617...@web25608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, I fw in checking and I also find some strings missing in: ReadEtext: Books (in the main toolbar) Toggle Bookmarks (in the Leggi bar) FullScreen (in the Vista bar) Play/Pause and all the languages names (in the Parla bar) - viewslides: most of strings (with leggi exception...) - Typing Turtle Most of comments strings: like: Hihowahyah! Ready to learn the secret of fast typing?\n - Flipsticks most of strings ... - Cartoon builder doesn't start in VM so I can't tell ciao carlo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Strings missing in 0.86 r. 04_10_2009 ReadEtext
Hi James, On 12 Oct 2009, at 21:49, Jim Simmons wrote: Carlo (and anyone else), I want to do everything possible to help my Activities get properly translated. Problem is, I'm not sure if there's something I should be doing that I'm not doing. I have my Activities in pootle. I run python setup.py genpot when I add new Strings to the Activities. When I do git pull I often see content that seems to be coming from pootle, which I then add to the MANIFEST. But I don't know how to test my Activities with different languages. Using the Control Panel in the Sugar test environment supplied with Fedora 10 and 11 doesn't seem to work. I have to shutdown and restart the environment after changing the language, and after that it seems nothing really got changed. If it looks like I'm not doing something I should be please let me know. Hmmm, I use sugar-jhbuild here in an F11 virtual machine (I'm on a Mac) and popping in to the control panel in Sugar for Language and selecting Spanish (Peru) and rebooting Sugar is my usual test procedure for checking strings. After the restart, I then hunt the UI for anything (still in English) I might have missed, assuming you have Spanish translations for your activity, obviously. Regards, --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
Ze, the svg attached to this email appears to be blank On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:54 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Guys, I opted to use Multiples scans (creates a group of paths) instead of 'Edge detection', the result seems better, any ideas ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: Looks ok to me but I am no expert. Did u use edge detection in inkscape? On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:33 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Hello again guys, I tried several times converting the png to svg (without embedding the png file) and results were awful... I just tried vectormagic.com (Stanford univ) and the results were way better, what do you think ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Using inkscape to convert the png file to SVG, it generates an SVG file which includes the png image: image xlink:href=fondo.png x=0 y=0 width=786 height=900 id=image2670 / The idea it to draw in the above SVG file ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, graphics are not really 'my thing', but I'll have a look and see what i can do Cheers On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Re : Release Turtle Art-73
Walter, If I run the code you send me into a term activity I still get a en_US even after I switched to italiano in the Sugar control panel and I got some italian strings. The same tests run in the Trisquel distro returns it_IT, but note that the trisquel installation (ubuntu-based) asked for setting language at linux level too. I used to run the soas image booting it into an empty VM (either vmware or VB) as instructions I read in the wiki. Then is possible that when I switch language in the sugar control panel and it requires to restart sugar, the language settings are saved only on the sugar side and not on linux locale... I think that in the soas image we basically have an half-baked language switch in which the language setting is default english for the s.o. and italian for sugar. ciao carlo --- Lun 12/10/09, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com ha scritto: Da: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com Oggetto: Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Re : Release Turtle Art-73 A: Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it Cc: Sugar-dev Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Data: Lunedì 12 ottobre 2009, 20:50 Carlo, I forced Turtle Art to use Italian and it worked fine. So I suspect that there is something wrong with either the way I am detecting the language setting: lang = locale.getdefaultlocale()[0] or there is something wrong with your language setting. Can you see what the above code returns within your Sugar Python environment? You'll need to: import locale print locale.getdefaultlocale()[0] regards. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Re : Release Turtle Art-73
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Carlo Falciola cfalci...@yahoo.it wrote: Walter, If I run the code you send me into a term activity I still get a en_US even after I switched to italiano in the Sugar control panel and I got some italian strings. The same tests run in the Trisquel distro returns it_IT, but note that the trisquel installation (ubuntu-based) asked for setting language at linux level too. I used to run the soas image booting it into an empty VM (either vmware or VB) as instructions I read in the wiki. Then is possible that when I switch language in the sugar control panel and it requires to restart sugar, the language settings are saved only on the sugar side and not on linux locale... Carlo, Could you possibly check what the file ~/.i18n contains in the affected system ? To do so, from the Terminal Activity, execute: cat ~/.i18n Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
You re right, actually it has a hard link to the png: sodipodi:absref=/Users/zemariamm/Desktop/olenepal/work/ConozcoUruguay.activity/imagenes/fondo.png It's not converting the still image to svg statements On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: Ze, the svg attached to this email appears to be blank On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:54 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Guys, I opted to use Multiples scans (creates a group of paths) instead of 'Edge detection', the result seems better, any ideas ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: Looks ok to me but I am no expert. Did u use edge detection in inkscape? On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:33 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Hello again guys, I tried several times converting the png to svg (without embedding the png file) and results were awful... I just tried vectormagic.com (Stanford univ) and the results were way better, what do you think ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Using inkscape to convert the png file to SVG, it generates an SVG file which includes the png image: image xlink:href=fondo.png x=0 y=0 width=786 height=900 id=image2670 / The idea it to draw in the above SVG file ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, graphics are not really 'my thing', but I'll have a look and see what i can do Cheers On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Watch Me-2
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4205 Sugar Platform: from 0.82 to 0.86 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29213 Release notes: Initial release of Watch Me to activities.sugarlabs.org. Watch Me lets you share a view of your screen with anyone. It does this by running a VNC server (x11vnc) on the initiator machine, and running a VNC client (based on gtk-vnc-python) on the client. Watch Me depends on gtk-vnc-python and x11vnc. Copies of these programs are included in the bundle; however, for maximum compatibility, you should install these programs using your system`s package manager. Reviewer comments: this is a test Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15:16PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: As the reporter of the above bug, and with regard to (1) below: I'm very disappointed that the Restart option has been dropped. As the author of the patch to drop it ... this was done as part a fix to bug #1206. It would be helpful, I think, for feedback to be solicited on this list (and possibly others) before *features are removed* and not replaced by something comparable. Feedback was solicited ... there was discussion. You mention that you used this function when importing activities ... what does importing activites mean? This wasn't something I considered when I removed the option. Perhaps Sugar needs a way to notice an imported activity instead of restart. If the Control/Alt/Backspace workaround doesn't work for you, perhaps that is a problem that could be addressed. From your followup posting it seems SoaS responds to termination of X server in a different way than does the XO builds. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] Re: Conozco Uruguay in karma
Hello again guys, I've been playing with inkscape fow a while, after importing the png using any of the options (located under Path - Trace Bitmap) in Single Scan: creates a path the software really converts the image file to a SVG (using path to draw it), if I use Multiple scans: creates a group of path it does not convert the image in to a group of path objects, but embeds the link to the image in the generated SVG file... On the other side, the stanford application mentioned in some emails earlier does convert the image into a group of path, although the software is not open source and requires a license. Ze Maria On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: You re right, actually it has a hard link to the png: sodipodi:absref=/Users/zemariamm/Desktop/olenepal/work/ConozcoUruguay.activity/imagenes/fondo.png It's not converting the still image to svg statements On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: Ze, the svg attached to this email appears to be blank On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:54 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Guys, I opted to use Multiples scans (creates a group of paths) instead of 'Edge detection', the result seems better, any ideas ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: Looks ok to me but I am no expert. Did u use edge detection in inkscape? On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 19:33 +0100, Ze maria wrote: Hello again guys, I tried several times converting the png to svg (without embedding the png file) and results were awful... I just tried vectormagic.com (Stanford univ) and the results were way better, what do you think ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Using inkscape to convert the png file to SVG, it generates an SVG file which includes the png image: image xlink:href=fondo.png x=0 y=0 width=786 height=900 id=image2670 / The idea it to draw in the above SVG file ? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Ze maria zemari...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys, graphics are not really 'my thing', but I'll have a look and see what i can do Cheers On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 11:26 -0200, Gabriel Eirea wrote: The problem I foresee is that you still need a way to describe the coordinates of cities and other points of interest and relate them to the svg coordinates, so that when you zoom in and out the objects are all in their corresponding places. That just boils down to properly identifying the object node in the svg map. But how to do that I still have to figure out ;) Ze do u have any experience w/ inkscape? would u be interested to investigate this? -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org -- Bryan W. Berry Senior Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
Sorry; apparently I just completely missed the discussion (possibly just didn't catch what was being discussed). IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new Activities to appear. It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this regard. And, yes, the X-server indeed seems to terminate (via error - several messages sometimes appear on the screen) differently on SoaS from on the XO-1. Would again be helpful to address. FWIW, Soas Strawberry does not reboot on the XO-1 either (you are left with a blank screen). Incidentally, all my SoaS work is done with an actual USB stick created with the Live USB Creator Fedora utility (on my Windows XP machine) following download of an SoaS .iso file - usually Strawberry. I try to keep it simple. I don't really know which, if any, of the behaviors I'm observing qualify as bugs, and I certainly don't want to bother you Sugar developers with frivilous complaints - or simply things I'm confused about. If there are any real bugs or feature requests here that should be made/reported, just let me know. Art Hunkins - Original Message - From: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org To: Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu Cc: sebast...@when.com; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:15:16PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: As the reporter of the above bug, and with regard to (1) below: I'm very disappointed that the Restart option has been dropped. As the author of the patch to drop it ... this was done as part a fix to bug #1206. It would be helpful, I think, for feedback to be solicited on this list (and possibly others) before *features are removed* and not replaced by something comparable. Feedback was solicited ... there was discussion. You mention that you used this function when importing activities ... what does importing activites mean? This wasn't something I considered when I removed the option. Perhaps Sugar needs a way to notice an imported activity instead of restart. If the Control/Alt/Backspace workaround doesn't work for you, perhaps that is a problem that could be addressed. From your followup posting it seems SoaS responds to termination of X server in a different way than does the XO builds. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good
Hello, Michael just passed by the Acetarium and, since the dinner was late, we found the time to test and review his latest prototype^W patch. I'm loving how the menus suddenly are now snappy and responsive. Please, test it yourself and report back. If we like this change, I think we should go on and also kill the code that this patch makes redundant. (please, let's not add another configurable knob!) From 83ef08969ed7bee08f90c12bfa1eedcb7fb0500c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:33:12 -0400 Subject: Make various palette animations happen more quickly. --- src/sugar/graphics/palette.py |2 +- src/sugar/graphics/palettewindow.py |4 ++-- 2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/src/sugar/graphics/palette.py b/src/sugar/graphics/palette.py index bb2b605..466edef 100644 --- a/src/sugar/graphics/palette.py +++ b/src/sugar/graphics/palette.py @@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ class Palette(PaletteWindow): self._menu_content_separator = gtk.HSeparator() -self._secondary_anim = animator.Animator(2.0, 10) +self._secondary_anim = animator.Animator(0.0, 10) self._secondary_anim.add(_SecondaryAnimation(self)) # we init after initializing all of our containers diff --git a/src/sugar/graphics/palettewindow.py b/src/sugar/graphics/palettewindow.py index 3049f55..4bc07e2 100644 --- a/src/sugar/graphics/palettewindow.py +++ b/src/sugar/graphics/palettewindow.py @@ -148,10 +148,10 @@ class PaletteWindow(gtk.Window): self._up = False self._old_alloc = None -self._popup_anim = animator.Animator(.5, 10) +self._popup_anim = animator.Animator(0.0, 10) self._popup_anim.add(_PopupAnimation(self)) -self._popdown_anim = animator.Animator(0.6, 10) +self._popdown_anim = animator.Animator(0.0, 10) self._popdown_anim.add(_PopdownAnimation(self)) gobject.GObject.__init__(self, **kwargs) -- 1.5.6.5 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Mon, 12-10-2009 a las 22:36 -0400, Bernie Innocenti escribió: Hello, Michael just passed by the Acetarium and, since the dinner was late, we found the time to test and review his latest prototype^W patch. I'm loving how the menus suddenly are now snappy and responsive. Please, test it yourself and report back. If we like this change, I think we should go on and also kill the code that this patch makes redundant. (please, let's not add another configurable knob!) BTW, Michael and I have a small disagreement on how a maintainer should react to the present patch. From a purely functional PoV, this patch is short, correct and low impact. Yeah, but... who's ever going to clean up after it if we do not demand the cleanup to be merged atomically with the patch that opens the need for it? Once the patch is in, the maintainer would no longer have a stick to brandish while saying now eat your veggies!. (Michael replies: This is a flawed position because it leads to absurd conclusions. More specifically, it actively discourages the current contributor from submitting more patches by denying the satisfaction of seeing their existing patch merged, delays the deferral of a correct and believable patch that introduces behavior you yourself describe as 'desirable' and, last but not least, misses an opportunity to involve inexperienced contributors by providing appropriate on-ramp bugs like the proposed refactoring.) -- Bernie Michael The requirement for patches which are clean, correct, and adhere to SL coding standards is orthogonalization to either sticks or carrots. The requirement exists because code is expensive to maintain. The decision to accept code is up to the maintainer. This is yet another example of the upstream-downstream tension. In this case, the developer wants early and often while the maintainer wants stable and seldom. It is interesting to see how the definitions of early and often and stable and seldom shift as we move up and down the stream. david ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Live CD with network / HDD storage - possible?
Hi all, I came across this note at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveCd, can someone please fill me in on the details of how to achieve this? Much appreciated: It is also possible to use this type of Live CD to create a virtual Sugar lab for a school, where a traditional computer lab's computers are booted into a Sugar environment, storing their data on a networked or other storage device, without changing the lab's installed software. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:27:21PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: IIRC, the XO-1 and SoaS work differently when either downloading Activities, or copying them via USB. (I'm forgetting now whether it's one or the other or both.) In any case, the XO-1 registers them to the list immediately, whereas on SoaS, a reboot is required for the new Activities to appear. It certainly would be nice for SoaS to act like the XO-1 in this regard. I agree. I'm afraid I don't yet know the code well enough to figure out why it happens. I suggest you raise a bug against SoaS to have new activities registered immediately without a reboot. And, yes, the X-server indeed seems to terminate (via error - several messages sometimes appear on the screen) differently on SoaS from on the XO-1. Would again be helpful to address. Unless there's a need for a restartable X server, I don't think this needs to be fixed. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Live CD with network / HDD storage - possible?
The method myself and a team of others used week before last at a holiday camp was to take a current Knoppix Live CD, extract the compressed loopback filesystem, and then use the standard Debian tools to install a desktop package of our choice. We could have installed the sugar-desktop package if we needed it, but our participants had needs that were not met by Sugar. The camp was run at a state high school in Queensland, Australia. There were many (~90) modern desktop computers in the commerce classrooms, but we were not permitted to use the Microsoft Windows environment on each. We had to avoid touching the hard drives. We set up two servers that would PXE boot the classroom computers. One server was held in reserve in case the other failed. We used two different methods; one was a CentOS 5.3 system booted from a RAID array, the other was a Knoppix system booted from a USB flash drive. These servers were configured to respond to the PXE boot requests from the classroom computers, provide a kernel over TFTP, then provide the filesystem over NFS. The remastered filesystem contained everything we thought our participants would need. Several times during the week we modified this filesystem to add further features. Booting time was about one minute, if I recall correctly. I've not done the same with Sugar yet, but it should be quite possible. You might like to look at LTSP and the server packages. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?
Dear Zero Install developers, as you may know, Sugar is a learning environment consisting of educational activities packaged and distributed as bundles, which are some kind of glorified zip files. This design was chosen because we wanted to enable our learners to participate in the creation of new activities using our stack. Secondarily, our security model benefits from unprivileged installation. Unfortunately, our activity bundle format is very limited: no dependencies, no multi-arch build system, no signature checking, weak versioning model, no concept of source bundles, and general immaturity of the toolset. On the other hand, most (but certainly not all) our activities happen to be simple, Pure Python applications with no need for the complexity of a full-blown packaging discipline. Most of us like this simplicity and wish to retain it. Nevertheless, now that Sugar runs on multiple architectures and OSes, these limitations are starting to chafe. Zero Install appears to have identified reasonable compromises for many of these trade-offs. While I'm not yet claiming that z-i would be a better alternative for us to pick off the shelf, there's certainly a lot of experience within your community to learn from. Also, I understand from previous discussions [1] that hosting for package repositories would be helpful to you. I think we could help out by sharing our bandwidth and disk space. Sounds like an interaction in which both sides have something useful to give :) How about getting together on IRC to exchange ideas regarding packaging strategies? I'd propose next Saturday @ 1500UTC [2], of course negotiable. [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.zero-install.devel/2753 [2] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10day=17year=2009hour=11min=0sec=0p1=43 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
