[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] 0.88 Schedule Adjustment
Hi, in order to reflect the current 0.88 Feature Situation the 0.88 schedule [1] has been adjusted. Basically the API/ABI, Feature, UI and String Freeze have been delayed by one week. Features are accepted one more week, too. The Hard code Freeze stays the 15th of March and the final release date is still valid. These are the new dates: * Feature Acceptance - Jan 18 Acceptance of the features following the Features/Policy [2]. Features for the 0.88 release has to be proposed until that date. * API/ABI Freeze - Jan 25 API/ABI Freeze for 0.87.x Developer APIs should be frozen at this point. If your Feature does add new API it has to be landed before that date (or at least the relevant part of the code). * Feature Freeze - Feb 01 No new features will be accepted for this release period. Feature should be interpreted as Functionality or Ability. Bug fixes of existing features are not affected. * UI Freeze - Feb 15 No UI changes may be made without approval from the release-team and notification to the documentation list. * String Freeze - Mar 01 No string changes may be made without confirmation from the localization team and notification to both the release team and the documentation list. Please be aware of these dates and coordinate your work accordingly. If you have a Feature containing API changes you should land that first. Smaller UI changes that are no Features can still be done after the Features have been landed. Regards, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Roadmap#Schedule [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] 0.88 Feature acceptance ends the 18th of January 2010
Hi, acceptance of the Features for the Sucrose 0.88 Release ends the 18th of January 2010 [1]. To propose a Feature you need to follow the Features/Policy [2]. The Feature Policy describes the steps a Feature owner needs to fulfill to propose the Feature to be part of a Sucrose release cycle and to include it in a Sucrose release. Currently the following Features have been accepted for the 0.88 Release [3]. If your Feature won't be ready for 0.88 you can propose it for a next release [4]. Regards, Simon [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Roadmap#Schedule [2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Feature_List [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Roadmap#Schedule ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Uploading Activities with Firefox?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 09:33:44PM -0500, Art Hunkins wrote: Since I've had no success uploading activities with IE on Windows, I thought I'd try Firefox. In IE, I was able to log in to my Developer Hub just fine. With Firefox (still in WindowsXP), I can't get to the Developer Hub, or indeed to log in (to activities.sugarlabs.org) at all. You mean errors while logging in or it just say about wrong password? If you lost your password, I can reset it. You can open Developer Hub only after login. Also, I'm not allowed to reregister either, as my username and password are already taken! (doh) Aleksey suggested that another browser might permit an upload, hence this exercise. I would indeed try to upload as well through Browse on my XO, but so far I've been completely baffled by how to get the required filename (through a Search) into the upload box. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. (My lack of experience with Linux and Sugar is just so painfully obvious everywhere I turn.) Art Hunkins ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Aleksey ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-toolkit-0.87.3
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit/sugar-toolkit-0.87.3.tar.bz2 == News == Sascha Silbe: locate rainbow using PATH instead of hardcoding the location (#1436) Sascha Silbe: don't use rainbow if it has been uninstalled, but the config file remains (#1317) Some distros retain config files after removing packages, so /etc/olpc-security might exist even if rainbow is not installed. Daniel Drake: Apply activity font settings earlier (#1607) Fixes some minor changes in toolbar appearance that my previous work unintentionally introduced. Thanks to all the contributors, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Exporting sounds and images from Etoys projects
tks Bert, this is extremely helpful On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.dewrote: On 10.01.2010, at 02:51, Bryan Berry wrote: Bert, we did have Squeak programmers but they all emigrated and are difficult to get in touch with. Oh, didn't know they were all gone. I sat down and wrote a script myself. It's somewhat specific to your Squeak image/projects but I'll cc etoys-dev anyway, maybe it's useful to someone. I used the image and projects from http://karma.sugarlabs.org/Squeak.tar.bz2 The attached script needs a bit of hand-holding when running inside Squeak. Or just download the assets I exported: http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/OLENepalSqueakAssets.zip Beware, it's 125 MB of PNGs and WAVs. The sounds have their names preserved, but the images are just enumerated largest-to-smallest. I didn't bother to check for duplicates. - Bert - On 10.01.2010, at 02:51, Bryan Berry wrote: Bert, we did have Squeak programmers but they all emigrated and are difficult to get in touch with. I will bother Surendra, who you met, to see if he can help On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: Well, OLE Nepal does have Squeak programmers, and it should be rather simple for them to write a snippet that exports images and sounds from a loaded project. It's just a bit harder (but I guess not too much) to load each project in a folder and export assets found there (the trick would be to just load the project but not enter it). Extracting them without Squeak is rather infeasible. - Bert - On 09.01.2010, at 16:39, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Adding sugar-devel to CC in case Bert wants to say anything On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 16:36, Peter Gijsels peter.gijs...@gmail.com wrote: Vaibhaw, You seem to imply that there is a (difficult) way to extract them, could you elaborate? Do you think it would be useful to have a simple way to extract these assets from a .pr file? I can try to see if I can come up with something. I'm not guaranteeing anything, but I think it might be worth a shot. I think it would be more fun than cropping screenshots. ;-) I have two possible approaches in mind: 1) There is probably a central place where the .pr is being read in and Morph objects are being constructed. If we intercept objects of the correct type we can dump their image data to a file. The trick is to find the code that does the deserializing which can be rather frustrating in Smalltalk if you are not familiar with the code. 2) The second approach would be to just walk over all objects, see if they are an image, and dump them to files. Do you have a Squeak development image (with development tools like the browser and inspector) from which I can read in these .pr files so that I can poke around a bit? Regards, Peter On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Vaibhaw (Bob) Poddar vaibh...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Afraid not. There is no (easy) way to extract the info from the .pr files. I have been just cropping the images out from the screen shots so far. Vaibhaw (Bob) Poddar Nepal Cell. +977.98510.61345 India Cell. +91.9.15661 US of A Cell. +1.415.508.4503 http://HimalayanTechies.com On 1/9/2010 7:43 PM, Peter Gijsels wrote: Bryan, Vaibhaw, I've got epaath working on my windows machine. Do I understand correctly that all of the materials of a lesson are contained in one .pr file, e.g. 6_English_actionVerb_3.018.pr? The epaath.image running on the squeak vm loads in that file. Is there an easy way to extract the pictures and sounds from the .pr file of the lesson? Regards, Peter On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Vaibhaw (Bob) Poddar vaibh...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Step to get Squeak working on a Windows machine (not sure how on a Linux distribution). Download and install squeak http://www.squeakland.org/download/ Replace the etoys.image inside the Etoys/Etyos.app/Contents/Resources with the image file from the E-Paath. That should be it. If you run into any issues I would be happy to look at that. Thanks Vaibhaw (Bob) Poddar Nepal Cell. +977.98510.61345 India Cell. +91.9.15661 US of A Cell. +1.415.508.4503 http://HimalayanTechies.com On 1/7/2010 7:44 AM, Bryan Berry wrote: here is the file http://karma.sugarlabs.org/Squeak.tar.bz2 These are all the Squeak files in the current EPaath. I am not sure how to actually view the individual projects. Vaibhaw: how do we do that? My Squeak skills are rusty On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: hey Peter, first could u use pastie.org or jsbin.com for small code samples? makes it easier for everyone to view and comment on your code On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:47 AM, Peter Gijsels peter.gijs...@gmail.com wrote: On an unrelated note, did you have time to prepare a download link
Re: [Sugar-devel] Several chapters of Make Your Own Sugar Activities! ready for review, feedback
As many of you know, I've been working on a handbook for creating Sugar Activities and I have added another couple of chapters to it (on Pootle and distributing your Activity) and made numerous corrections to earlier chapters, many of them based on suggestions you made. Stuff still to do: Text To Speech chapter Collaboration chapter Sugar Activity Debugging chapter (which may include information on using a library Walter Bender created for running Sugar Activities outside of Sugar) New Style Toolbars chapter (including how to support both styles in one Activity) PyGame chapter or chapters The sequence these chapters will appear is negotiable. For now I'm just trying to get them written, going from easiest to hardest. I have not been able to get a pre-publish done so the website link I gave out last week still points to the old content. However, I have been able to use OBJAVI to create a really beautiful PDF 73 pages long (including code samples and screenshots) that has the latest content. I think there is enough written so far that if I got run over by a bus someone could still use this to learn how to write an Activity. If you have thought about writing your own Activity you might check this out with Read and see if you agree. Other kinds of feedback would be most welcome as well. The URL of the PDF is: http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.01.11-23.05.32.pdf Thanks, James Simmons ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Several chapters of Make Your Own Sugar Activities! ready for review, feedback
On 12.01.2010, at 16:43, Jim Simmons wrote: http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.01.11-23.05.32.pdf Very nice, Jim! It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a Sugar activity should be written in Python. However, there are other means to go about that, and special circumstances may lead a developer to consider alternatives. In WHAT IS A SUGAR ACTIVITY? you make it sound like Python was a necessary ingredient for all Sugar activities. That is not true, an activity *can* be written without any bit of Python code. Not even Python bindings are needed. See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API Activities can be written in any language, as long as it can connect to D-Bus and provide an X11 interface. While it's most convenient and also encouraged to write new activities in Python, it is not mandatory. The Sugar API was carefully designed to allow activity development in any language. There are a couple of non-Python activities, most prominently Etoys which is even part of the Sugar platform, emphasizing it is *not* Python-only. It would be nice if you could rephrase that introductory section. Other than that, very nice book. I love your style :) - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Please tag tarball releases in git repository, e.g. Sugar 0.87.2
Ping! On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 13:14, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 14:04, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: Hi, Please do remember to tag tarball releases in Git repositories. Those tags are helpful for (some) distributors - like me :-) Oops, was a problem with the release script, git push failed because I had some non-uptodate branches and the script didn't pushed the tags. I'm attaching a patch for Simon to review. Concretely Sugar 0.87.2 released december 21st lack a tag about that. Pushed, thanks! Regards, Tomeu Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJLO0/aAAoJECx8MUbBoAEheicP/37UK0+SUQVbOHL9p1Lc7nVl p+K6T3Q3jbhKVymTlGuKIirHpPp4y0FTy/X3kJbtPPAtFHYfcg0v+M5JMGJL9NqS gWQCITI1o+4Qd7d22j8FOSwX8hrsGwa6bwFtc1bHG17LRi47ZgNXjb5A/9LuQV00 1EIsYUT4uZzEIldtBoRw1iZ4B3/kOdgv2BOHVlc7VxKd0HHSPOSyBOS41cIxIJEQ njA+e3HZERc1kKXz5VPNzCGfo4cFfa2D1MDGy1BXp3eU0Yv8vJd7mdq3KVIdne/X CpxSONQMMUIgGXIC7UkH1CPy+fXmEaAVkG5gDB7E6Rd35D638rIgFOul7inftQFl 9ZNUP8BwBfJmsHewGPrMt9yqbdeq8TuIbRBD1Whpx+4h4cXhHNeqVwK9xgyVYQTG U+pxE9h6sZOhOvNmx/XOXp/rK6xDz3yPNOcqhnFqMZjbNJUUtsC9XIr7aUgGU06P h/7nycSQFvCPk5FBrI/dhAIgn8nF2ozbLXgpB82AfXGQCfblOxskhuSgQf0YfBy3 6k9CeBIxIt0n7wcv86EKH1WXBZ7cC8IQRIqUIkmYzNZyFjPrYr23wBs1hg34w7nx ZRSuLMLw92FtUc+x7dRT++C81BlJfRYQLqFik6z1V0GW1xSE7EqMM+YUMmu+Y7TA HeaW9o9JqV9qcQIyzGwI =hRAp -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-0.87.3
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.87.3.tar.bz2 == News == * shell breaks if system bus cannot be accessed #1403 * sugar-emulator: kill X server on exit #1440 * move ~/.i18n parsing from sugar-emulator to sugar #1441 * can't create ad-hoc network when name is 7+ characters #1604 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Several chapters of Make Your Own Sugar Activities! ready for review, feedback
Bert, That is the kind of feedback I was hoping to get, actually. I figured if I make a definite statement like Every Activity needs at least some Python someone who knows better would correct me. I will make a more qualified statement in my next revision. I am hoping that the book will be read by those who have not programmed (maybe even older children) before so even though I know it is possible to write an Activity that connects to DBus, etc. I'm not planning to include examples of that in the book. In fact, one of my goals was to get through the whole book without mentioning DBus at all. I'd like to leave stuff out of the book if a person could write an Activity without knowing it. But I will definitely mention that there are other ways to make an Activity than the one I'm writing about. Thanks again, James Simmons On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 12.01.2010, at 16:43, Jim Simmons wrote: http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.01.11-23.05.32.pdf Very nice, Jim! It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a Sugar activity should be written in Python. However, there are other means to go about that, and special circumstances may lead a developer to consider alternatives. In WHAT IS A SUGAR ACTIVITY? you make it sound like Python was a necessary ingredient for all Sugar activities. That is not true, an activity *can* be written without any bit of Python code. Not even Python bindings are needed. See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API Activities can be written in any language, as long as it can connect to D-Bus and provide an X11 interface. While it's most convenient and also encouraged to write new activities in Python, it is not mandatory. The Sugar API was carefully designed to allow activity development in any language. There are a couple of non-Python activities, most prominently Etoys which is even part of the Sugar platform, emphasizing it is *not* Python-only. It would be nice if you could rephrase that introductory section. Other than that, very nice book. I love your style :) - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Please tag tarball releases in git repository, e.g. Sugar 0.87.2
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 05:51:32PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Ping! Was that targeted me? If so, why? Sugar 0.87.2 was packaged for Debian on january 1st and entered testing earlier today. Status for that specific package is here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sugar-0.88.html Status for all team-maintained Sugar-related packages are here: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-olpc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] GCompris was Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2010-01-07
=== In the community === 2. Bruno Coudoin announced the release of GCompris Version 9.0. Aleksey is already working on making sure that it is properly packaged for Sugar and available on http://activities.sugarlabs.org. Congrats to the GComris team! I have found GCompris activities a valuable addition to Sugar and look forward to the upgrade. GCompris also has a groups model that allows some teacher administration: http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual#Administering_GCompris Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if anyone is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers using Sugar? Thanks, Caroline IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Please tag tarball releases in git repository, e.g. Sugar 0.87.2
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 18:35, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 05:51:32PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Ping! Was that targeted me? If so, why? Sorry, this as targeted to Simon about committing the patch for sugar-tools. Regards, Tomeu Sugar 0.87.2 was packaged for Debian on january 1st and entered testing earlier today. Status for that specific package is here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sugar-0.88.html Status for all team-maintained Sugar-related packages are here: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-olpc-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org Kind regards, - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJLTLL4AAoJECx8MUbBoAEhD58QAKL1LeykxMiKqYyWZw0cqoAe 5zkqyqT/QVwDZV88XDwaMCew/5+zIu//rxDDdCXG9Q8H7KSx8JCbaMTpaCLllvDz bdTt4KX9nMTBTIardakiF8xlAYouB3poCBxflBMTzLFaozuYfRpYwuuY7gHf/no2 uKMUYnTOFJggdEMuvsp894g6RXnT2qKbIDw4LgUmOG6VrXFp7icJ2N8khMyAWF8c uI/B59oXjqKARiGZULg8l5iCRUo0+3ULWCPH/hlhsKbWBcx71//+nh2eIC0ZbM/f LMsdhQoBhGU8RrL49IevZ6T+Mc8Nv1JTdRJaAkUtcQjDFzq9HEpaiwLQmo6NWoNr KWCH8AkoHhx/b3pcWXuzTxHu2lnm4n7Mxzo6iqMUSchSaMdcmfrDWwIyUOOaYW4E cg61+4UUxZSwR1WkCSsPj10x0NoD6e+pCG9dfPqPbp+2IPpwNRNltfRjUmHuYLMD S5hzFWH6YgH7a5jGmP2LPhHRwwWIwOReCoBmQ78Xaty27z+e+WfGXN6Sb5qbu8sF 4Qc77HccaX+/65MB90OVZIRNluZC6EsXs/GzSFiM/z3giG9gKDWwDBt2ERV98c82 DOvGl4Gkfkbl7C650Wc3ZbcFsi9RHUSXyrIU62BcAHMtde8uDMwltRC1YFog3EcM y8zBjUTlarobmBYju3+N =dGjo -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Please tag tarball releases in git repository, e.g. Sugar 0.87.2
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 07:46:11PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 18:35, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 05:51:32PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Ping! Was that targeted me? If so, why? Sorry, this as targeted to Simon about committing the patch for sugar-tools. Ah, ok :-) - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] GCompris was Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2010-01-07
Le mardi 12 janvier 2010 à 13:24 -0500, Caroline Meeks a écrit : Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if anyone is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers using Sugar? Yes but nothing important. It has been improved so that there is now a progress bar in the activity list section as it is slow to load. The lack of performance comes from the rescaling of all the activity icons to display them in the tree view. Now also moving out / in this section no more take again this long time. Of course, it now uses the goocanvas instead of the gnomecanvas. -- Bruno Coudoin http://gcompris.net Free educational software for kids http://toulibre.org Logiciel Libre à Toulouse http://april.org Promouvoir et défendre le Logiciel Libre ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 11:36 -0500, Caroline Meeks wrote: I second what Jim says. I've had a lot of trouble booting from the boot helper with Blueberry. Bernie looked at this at the GPA and found a bug in Fedora related to video drivers. Bernie, was this bug reported? I think I may have found our bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22498 If it seems like a good match for our symptoms, I'll ping it and try to get the fix propagated to Fedora and then SoaS. Sorry I can't help in person, but I'm getting ready to depart from the US tomorrow. Can you help David see if he is having the same problem we saw at GPA? David's problem sounds like a different thing. I'd rather try to diagnose it interactively with him. I can be reached on #sugar (irc.freenode.net) as bernie, or on Jabber as ber...@codewiz.org . -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GCompris was Re: Sugar Digest 2010-01-07
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 19:24, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: === In the community === 2. Bruno Coudoin announced the release of GCompris Version 9.0. Aleksey is already working on making sure that it is properly packaged for Sugar and available on http://activities.sugarlabs.org. Congrats to the GComris team! I have found GCompris activities a valuable addition to Sugar and look forward to the upgrade. GCompris also has a groups model that allows some teacher administration: http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual#Administering_GCompris Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if anyone is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers using Sugar? Didn't got many answers when I asked about similar functionality on the Teachermate. My guess is that Sugar is supposed to be deployable in some situations where the data sharing solutions in the Teachermate and GCompris don't work. Regards, Tomeu Thanks, Caroline IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 11:36 -0500, Caroline Meeks wrote: I second what Jim says. I've had a lot of trouble booting from the boot helper with Blueberry. Bernie looked at this at the GPA and found a bug in Fedora related to video drivers. Bernie, was this bug reported? I think I may have found our bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22498 Good catch :) If it seems like a good match for our symptoms, I'll ping it and try to get the fix propagated to Fedora and then SoaS. Sorry I can't help in person, but I'm getting ready to depart from the US tomorrow. Can you help David see if he is having the same problem we saw at GPA? David's problem sounds like a different thing. I'd rather try to diagnose it interactively with him. I can be reached on #sugar (irc.freenode.net) as bernie, or on Jabber as ber...@codewiz.org . -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 15:16 -0500, Walter Bender wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 11:36 -0500, Caroline Meeks wrote: I second what Jim says. I've had a lot of trouble booting from the boot helper with Blueberry. Bernie looked at this at the GPA and found a bug in Fedora related to video drivers. Bernie, was this bug reported? I think I may have found our bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22498 Good catch :) This rpm may already contain the fix we need: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=149602 My hope is based on this particular changelog entry: * Wed Nov 25 2009 Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com 6.13.0-0.13.20091125git8b28534bc - rebase to upstream with r600 speed ups and r100 fixes integrated. But there are a number of other bugfixes, too. Caroline, I believe you could install it on SoaS by doing: sudo yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update xorg-x11-drv-ati It should drag in a few more testing packages, that's to be expected. Good luck! -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 15:27 -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Caroline, I believe you could install it on SoaS by doing: sudo yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update xorg-x11-drv-ati It should drag in a few more testing packages, that's to be expected. Good luck! I got more useful tips from the Xorg developers: airlied bernie: there have been a few bug fixes against rv100 recently airlied so if you can reproduce with 2.6.33-rc3 then we can probably tell airlied or if you can get a dmesg bernie agd5f: I found one bug that seems to match the symptoms: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22498 agd5f bernie: does turning off color tiling help? Option ColorTiling False bernie airlied: I asked our tester to install xorg-x11-drv-ati-6.13.0-0.20.20091221git4b05c47ac.fc12 and report back ( http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=149602 ) bernie agd5f: I don't have access to the machine any more... but I'll suggest caroline to try this too. thanks for the suggestion Installing an updated kernel on SoaS may be a little hard. Try first thesuggestion by agd5f: put a line like this in the Device section of /etc/xorg.conf: Option ColorTiling False If there's no such file at all, create one with these contents: Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver ati Option ColorTiling False EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 24 EndSection Section ServerLayout Identifier Xorg server Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 EndSection -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 16:36 -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Installing an updated kernel on SoaS may be a little hard. Oops: airlied bernie: the new kernel might be a better bet also airlied bernie: from koji for F12 Well, maybe not too hard after all. Try: sudo yum --enablerepo=updates-testing update kernel You can also meet airlied and agd5f on #xorg-devel or on #fedora-devel, as you can see they're very nice and helpful. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
Hi All, II have two personality quirks that often get in my way: I have a great deal of trouble multitasking, and I would loose my head were it not attached to my shoulders. What I need from a computer are tools that complement my limitations, and help me be more productive. irc can be such a tool, particularly in combination with logging. I'm a regular user on #schooltool. I go there to ask questions about schooltool, and participate there in on-line meetings about the development of schooltool. I don't worry about trying to take notes or record what happens on the channel, that all happens *automatically*. If I think later... Oh, yeah, we discussed that back in the first week in October. No problem, just go here: http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/ and look through the dates around the time I remember the meeting happening. I was surprised to find out that there was no logging on #sugar, and it keeps me from wanting to hold any real discussions on the channel. I go there to find if folks are around, then ask them to meet me on google talk, so that I can automatically get a log of what we discuss. It would like to make most of these conversations available to the rest of the community, but I don't have the time to log and publish them myself. Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel? jeff elkner ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
Thanks everybody for all this feedback. I can't comment for a day or two due to other priorities but will do so then. David Leeming Solomon Islands Rural Link http://www.leeming-consulting.com -Original Message- From: Walter Bender [mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2010 7:17 a.m. To: Bernie Innocenti Cc: carol...@solutiongrove.com; Jim Simmons; David Leeming; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org; Daniel J. Clark Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 11:36 -0500, Caroline Meeks wrote: I second what Jim says. I've had a lot of trouble booting from the boot helper with Blueberry. Bernie looked at this at the GPA and found a bug in Fedora related to video drivers. Bernie, was this bug reported? I think I may have found our bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22498 Good catch :) If it seems like a good match for our symptoms, I'll ping it and try to get the fix propagated to Fedora and then SoaS. Sorry I can't help in person, but I'm getting ready to depart from the US tomorrow. Can you help David see if he is having the same problem we saw at GPA? David's problem sounds like a different thing. I'd rather try to diagnose it interactively with him. I can be reached on #sugar (irc.freenode.net) as bernie, or on Jabber as ber...@codewiz.org . -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] FileShare Activity 7
FileShare is an activity that allows the user to share files from their journal to other xo's or to a central server. Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4266 Sugar Platform: 0.82 - 0.86 Release notes: Improved gui response. * Gui is now dispatching threads for long blocking calls. * Throbber is shown while gui is running a blocking call. Improved server interaction when in Server Mode * Basic permission system * Admin view to change user permissions * Fixed hang (added 10 second timeout) when server is set but offline Fixed Keep Error bug with empty file list Other Notes: This project has not undergone any extensive testing, so please feel free to send feedback and bug reports. Justin Lewis http://people.rit.edu/~jtl1728 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
2010/1/13 Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net It would like to make most of these conversations available to the rest of the community, but I don't have the time to log and publish them myself. +1 for a log bot Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel? jeff elkner ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 17:54, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote: Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel? We've talked this subject practically to death. See http://www.mail-archive.com/i...@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg06656.html. (hint: the thread you want is herehttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-February/thread.html#3828 ) Consensus has been no for a variety of reasons, which would be redundant to enumerate here once again. We already log meetings http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/ in #sugar-meeting, but the policy for #sugar is against it. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote: Hi All, II have two personality quirks that often get in my way: I have a great deal of trouble multitasking, and I would loose my head were it not attached to my shoulders. What I need from a computer are tools that complement my limitations, and help me be more productive. irc can be such a tool, particularly in combination with logging. I'm a regular user on #schooltool. I go there to ask questions about schooltool, and participate there in on-line meetings about the development of schooltool. I don't worry about trying to take notes or record what happens on the channel, that all happens *automatically*. If I think later... Oh, yeah, we discussed that back in the first week in October. No problem, just go here: http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/ and look through the dates around the time I remember the meeting happening. I was surprised to find out that there was no logging on #sugar, and it keeps me from wanting to hold any real discussions on the channel. I go there to find if folks are around, then ask them to meet me on google talk, so that I can automatically get a log of what we discuss. It would like to make most of these conversations available to the rest of the community, but I don't have the time to log and publish them myself. Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel? Apparenly it was discussed. Some people do not like publicly available logs. I log all my IRC channels locally. This is handy because I can use desktop search to find something. I can't point someone else to them, but I suppose I could email part of it to someone. Dave jeff elkner ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GCompris was Re: Sugar Digest 2010-01-07
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 19:24, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: === In the community === 2. Bruno Coudoin announced the release of GCompris Version 9.0. Aleksey is already working on making sure that it is properly packaged for Sugar and available on http://activities.sugarlabs.org. Congrats to the GComris team! I have found GCompris activities a valuable addition to Sugar and look forward to the upgrade. GCompris also has a groups model that allows some teacher administration: http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual#Administering_GCompris Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if anyone is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers using Sugar? Didn't got many answers when I asked about similar functionality on the Teachermate. My guess is that Sugar is supposed to be deployable in some situations where the data sharing solutions in the Teachermate and GCompris don't work. Having the teacher functionality potentially available where there is an XS doesn't have to mean the activities won't work when there isn't one. I was just checking to see the status. My memory about Teachermate was there were people interested in working on Teachermate teacher system but they wanted assurances that the Teachermate activities were going to be released under a GPL or CC license and an idea of how much content there was. There were no answers on that. Thanks, Caroline Regards, Tomeu Thanks, Caroline IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) i...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
