Re: [Sugar-devel] calling for volunteers (was Re: SOAS 2 problems)
That news blurb was certainly bold... it's also from Fall 2008. It's harder to spread FUD when a couple years of stories of XOs in classrooms involve Sugar. I would like to work together on a series of blog posts about the new Sugar version that will be shipping on the 1.5's. If some of the active develpoers (Tomeu, Chris, one or two developers of new activities?) want to draft their impressions and favorite aspects of the new release, I would be happy to edit and publish the result. SJ On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 00:21, Samuel Klein wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 06:07, Walter Bender >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think we are looking at a great probortunity here. We have a project >> >> My mind balks at that word, but I agree with this message wholeheartedly. >> >>> If we are able to learn to make successful calls for help, we will be >>> able to scale up our capacity significantly. We can like it or not, >>> but we depend _a lot_ on volunteers and we need to accept it and >>> operate according to that reality. >> >> A good point. Is there a page on the slwiki to organize calls for >> help for various projects? (it's not always this sort of call for >> help -- sometimes there are calls for developers from outside groups >> trying to fund activity development as well; or calls for >> field-testers by a group of active developers...) > > We have http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vacancies but that only works, as > it is now, for work that has associated a "position", not for > projects. Should we use the same? Create a different one? > > This is very related to Aleksey's proposal for a site that matches > needs with contributors, but I think it's better to start first with a > low-tech solution such as the wiki and move to more sophisticated > means as we learn more. > > About where to put the calls, my blog is read by GNOME hackers, I > think OLPC could ask Jonathan Corbet to put a call for kernel > developers, Greg's blog is read by Fedora contributors, what other > outlets we have for calling for specific volunteering opportunities? > > As mentioned before, I think it's very important how the need is > expressed, there's a world of difference between saying "we need you > to improve education" and having someone on the field describing how > the volunteer could make a real change on the lives of the people > there. Photos will also help, maybe a video from a rural school in > Africa, etc. > >>> And Sugar Labs cannot take this job it alone in part because most of >>> the general public still thinks that OLPC laptops are running Windows. >> >> We definitely need to remedy this confusion. > > I don't think that nor OLPC nor SLs can do much against MS' press machine: > > http://www.scidev.net/en/new-technologies/digital-divide/low-cost-laptops-to-change-from-linux-to-microsoft.html > > But if from time to time OLPC's press releases could briefly mention > Sugar, I think it could be great. > > Thanks, > > Tomeu > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] Beta of Offline Haiti Maps
Nicholas, That's great. I'll try to test that on my upcoming bus trip... copying the sugar devel list as well. Tim, can you ask your colleagues active in Haiti to test this as well? SJ On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Nicholas Doiron wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The beta OfflineMaps activity lets users view and post on OpenStreetMap > roadmaps of Haiti, without an internet connection. Users can add their > photos and text to markers on the map, and load some Google Earth files > (KML). > Only a few areas could be detailed. I tried to cover where I heard OLPC > and Waveplace are planning to be: Port-au-Prince, Lagonav Island, Leogane, > and Jacmel. > > Information and Screenshots > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ndoiron/OfflineMap > Download: > http://haiti.latest.disaster-tool.appspot.com/OfflineMaps.xo > Google Earth/KML file (Port-au-Prince hospitals, from MINUSTAH): > http://haiti.latest.disaster-tool.appspot.com/Hospitals.kml > > There are maps for Jeremie, Gonaives, and Saint Marc too, but adding these > freezes my XO (RAM issues?). > Please let me know if you have feedback on the activity. Can anyone help > test that it syncs markers when you share the activity on 2 XOs? > > Regards, > Nick Doiron > > ___ > support-gang mailing list > support-g...@lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/support-gang > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Rainbow in F-11 and F-12
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > Finally, in the long run, it would be nice to figure out how to make use of > rainbow-0.8's ability to resume individual uids. (Martin Langhoff expressed > some interest in this issue in dlo#8814.) And a patch. The patch explains what I mean, but doesn't actually work... If if did, life would be a whole lot easier... cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Rainbow in F-11 and F-12
> I'd like to import rainbow 0.8.6 in Fedora devel and backport it to > F-11, for the purpose of getting it in the Paraguayan build, and maybe > also in the F11-XO1 and SoaS, if there's interest. Thanks. Let me know what assistance you'd like. > Anything important I should be aware of? My suggestion is to first try following the installation instructions for Sugar by hand and to play with the result for a few minutes. That will provoke some questions which you should send to me. Then you might want to write a script that implements those instructions for inclusion in your build-system of choice. One notably issue not covered in the current installation instructions is the need for a cronjob or bootjob to periodically call rainbow-gc. Finally, in the long run, it would be nice to figure out how to make use of rainbow-0.8's ability to resume individual uids. (Martin Langhoff expressed some interest in this issue in dlo#8814.) Michael ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Rainbow in F-11 and F-12
I'd like to import rainbow 0.8.6 in Fedora devel and backport it to F-11, for the purpose of getting it in the Paraguayan build, and maybe also in the F11-XO1 and SoaS, if there's interest. Anything important I should be aware of? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Control Panel Font configuration
On Saturday, January 30, 2010, Albert Cahalan wrote: > selection of the font. If I remember right, there are about 14 scripts > in active use around the world. Ha! If only! Really, the problems described here can all be solved by careful font selection and configuration. Fontconfig allows 'virtual fonts' which can combine the best parts of a number of font files. --Scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Control Panel Font configuration
On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:39, Tim McNamara wrote: > It is released under an open font licence, however I remember hearing > difficulties with typeface licencing & GPL. > The FSF doesn't state that the SIL OFL is incompatible with the GPL: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#Fonts On the other hand, they don't go out of their way to state its compatibility either. -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Control Panel Font configuration
2010/1/31 Albert Cahalan
> Sayamindu Dasgupta writes:
>
> > It may make sense to allow setting of the font as well. While the
> > default "Sans" may be good enough for most European scripts, it may
> > cause problems for Arabic, Asian, South Asian scripts, etc. "Sans"
> > usually resolves to DejaVu Sans, etc, which often carry suboptimal
> > glyphs from non Latin scripts
>
> I think it's only fair that you get suboptimal glyphs too. :-)
>
> DejaVu Sans looks bad even for English with plain ASCII. Among other
> things, somebody invented a screwy non-standard way to distinguish the
> lowercase L ("l") character. That sort of "innovation" just isn't what
> you do in a system-wide default font. The rest is messed up too.
>
> BTW, consider a document containing several languages. You'd normally
> want all the Latin-based ones to use one font, all the Cyrillic ones to
> use one font, and so on. In other words, per-script (not per-language)
> selection of the font. If I remember right, there are about 14 scripts
> in active use around the world.
>
>
I thought that Gentium may have a sans serif typeface. No, but they refer to
Andika SIL : "Andika is a sans serif, Unicode-compliant font designed
especially for literacy use, taking into account the needs of beginning
readers. The focus is on clear, easy-to-perceive letterforms that will not
be readily confused with one another."
Seems to fit the bill very well. It is released under an open font licence,
however I remember hearing difficulties with typeface licencing & GPL.
Here's a link:
http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scrIpts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Control Panel Font configuration
Sayamindu Dasgupta writes:
> It may make sense to allow setting of the font as well. While the
> default "Sans" may be good enough for most European scripts, it may
> cause problems for Arabic, Asian, South Asian scripts, etc. "Sans"
> usually resolves to DejaVu Sans, etc, which often carry suboptimal
> glyphs from non Latin scripts
I think it's only fair that you get suboptimal glyphs too. :-)
DejaVu Sans looks bad even for English with plain ASCII. Among other
things, somebody invented a screwy non-standard way to distinguish the
lowercase L ("l") character. That sort of "innovation" just isn't what
you do in a system-wide default font. The rest is messed up too.
BTW, consider a document containing several languages. You'd normally
want all the Latin-based ones to use one font, all the Cyrillic ones to
use one font, and so on. In other words, per-script (not per-language)
selection of the font. If I remember right, there are about 14 scripts
in active use around the world.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] calling for volunteers (was Re: SOAS 2 problems)
On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 11:20 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > I don't think that nor OLPC nor SLs can do much against MS' press machine: > > http://www.scidev.net/en/new-technologies/digital-divide/low-cost-laptops-to-change-from-linux-to-microsoft.html > > But if from time to time OLPC's press releases could briefly mention > Sugar, I think it could be great. Indeed. If we could even get to the point of announcing some form of official collaboration, I think it would benefit both OLPC and Sugar. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
