Re: [Sugar-devel] What should be the best set in order to develop for Sugar in Ubuntu, today ?

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Hello, Sorry for the late answer, I had to reinstall my Linux partition I've came back to Xubuntu Oenreric Ocelot (11.10), unfortunately before an advice has been given to this mailing list for Fedora 16 and Gnome 3. So i'm not able to follow it right now. So, in Xubuntu, I tried to install

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should be the best set in order to develop for Sugar in Ubuntu, today ?

2011-12-05 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Here are my recommendations: Do not use the latest Ubuntu and its derivatives: It is not ready for sugar installation. Use Ubuntu-11.04 or a derivitive : 1-)http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Sweets_Distribution#Sweets_Distribution_0.94 Sweets Distribution is easier to use for

[Sugar-devel] Dextrose 3 patches report

2011-12-05 Thread Sascha Silbe
Hello everyone, this is the entire list of patches that are applied to the official Dextrose 3 Sugar packages, but were not part of Dextrose 2: sugar: 1. Add quz and aym to ALL_LINGUAS (take 2) (bernie) 2. updater: Only pre-select already installed activities (fixes SL#2822, AU#383) (Ajay

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should be the best set in order to develop for Sugar in Ubuntu, today ?

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Thank you for your answer, i've just set up a Xubuntu 11.04, I'm now going furhter with Sugar installation ^^ 2011/12/5 Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com ** Here are my recommendations: Do not use the latest Ubuntu and its derivatives: It is not ready for sugar installation.

[Sugar-devel] Sugar as a Green Design Pattern

2011-12-05 Thread Lionel Laské
(sorry for cross posting, not sure that Support-gang was the best place, hope to have more luck here :-) Hi all, A friend of mine works on a book on Green Design Patterns: It means how a good software design could help to reduce the carbon footprint of a computer. In my opinion,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Dextrose 3 patches report

2011-12-05 Thread Chris Leonard
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Hello everyone, this is the entire list of patches that are applied to the official Dextrose 3 Sugar packages, but were not part of Dextrose 2: sugar: 1. Add quz and aym to ALL_LINGUAS (take 2) (bernie)

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should be the best set in order to develop for Sugar in Ubuntu, today ?

2011-12-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:48:40AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Hello, Sorry for the late answer, I had to reinstall my Linux partition I've came back to Xubuntu Oenreric Ocelot (11.10), unfortunately before an advice has been given to this mailing list for Fedora 16 and Gnome 3. So i'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Dextrose 3 patches report

2011-12-05 Thread Chris Leonard
2011/12/5 Rubén Rodríguez ru...@gnu.org: I will be sure to communicate to this list (and especially directly to Bernie) as that work moves forward, especially once we get an upstream commit of the glibc locales. Please ping me too if you modify the locale definitions, as we don't get them

[Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Hello everyone, I am following the ActivitiesGuideSugar pdf from august 2010. - I've fetched tutorial source code for etext activity (chapter 5 : inheriting from Activity.activity) - I've modified, carefully i think, the svg picture with Inkscape and edited the xml structure - I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Simmons
Laurent, I don't have experience with Sweets, but normally you would install the version of Sugar that comes with your distribution. When you launch this Sugar comes up in a window. So you have your GNOME desktop where you do your development work, plus you have this window that contains a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Ok, thank you for your answer, I've well understood. I'm going to apply your advice. Regards 2011/12/5 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com Laurent, I don't have experience with Sweets, but normally you would install the version of Sugar that comes with your distribution. When you launch this

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Unfortunately, I can't launch setup.py from the host system terminal = no module called sugar.activity And that error disappear if I launch setup.py from the sugar emulator 2011/12/5 laurent bernabe laurent.bern...@gmail.com Ok, thank you for your answer, I've well understood. I'm going to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Simmons
Laurent, This may be an issue with sweets. If you are using Fedora then all you really need to do is to install the Sugar RPM's that come with the distribution. Other distributions should have something similar. The module sugar.activity is a set of Python classes. It should be available to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Thank you, You're right, I just want to develop activities, not hacking Sugar (at least, not right now, as I am just starting). My current Linux system is Xubuntu : - First, I had tried the sugar-emulator provided by Canonical = I did not find which package to install in order to have the

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should be the best set in order to develop for Sugar in Ubuntu, today ?

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 03:28:12PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: And Pippy works also, the only thing I would like to do and that I can't manage, is to launch the Camera example. Does the Record activity work? Do you have a camera? Does any other Linux application work with the camera? --

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Simmons
Laurent, I found a web page where it says to run this: sudo aptitude install sugar sugar-activities sugar-emulator With RPM's on Fedora dependencies are handled automatically. I don't see why this would be any different. It sounds like you're getting Python libraries that are only visible

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 06:28:15PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Hello everyone, I am following the ActivitiesGuideSugar pdf from august 2010. * I've fetched tutorial source code for etext activity (chapter 5 : inheriting from Activity.activity) * I've modified, carefully i

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 09:00:40PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Unfortunately, I can't launch setup.py from the host system terminal = no module called sugar.activity And that error disappear if I launch setup.py from the sugar emulator This means that the shell environment is different.

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should be the best set in order to develop for Sugar in Ubuntu, today ?

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
I have a webcam integrated to my laptop computer And I managed to take a photo with it, during the xubuntu installation setup. = Something makes me say that I missed a binding (the camera example complained about the jpeg format) I did not test the record example yet.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
dpkg --listfiles python-sugar-toolkit-0.90 | grep bundlebuilder = /usr/share/pyshared/sugar/activity/bundlebuilder.py I tried to print the command env | sort outputfile on the sugar emulator, but I can't use the AltGr Key without the emulator to validate the line and prevent me from going on.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:32:02PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: I forgot to mention that the only way I got most of Pippy examples to work, was by installing Sweet distribution = with the standard emulator given in xubuntu packages, I did not manage. So maybe it is a bigger problem than

Re: [Sugar-devel] What should be the best set in order to develop for Sugar in Ubuntu, today ?

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:26:17PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: I have a webcam integrated to my laptop computer And I managed to take a photo with it, during the xubuntu installation setup. = Something makes me say that I missed a binding (the camera example complained about the jpeg

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 06:28:15PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Hello everyone, I am following the ActivitiesGuideSugar pdf from august 2010. - I've fetched tutorial source code for etext activity (chapter 5 : inheriting from Activity.activity) - I've modified, carefully i

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Ok, Thanks. As James Simons advised me, I uninstalled Sweet distribution from my linux system. I would like to make the standard sugar emulator (this wich is given by Canonical) to work with Pippy, and to work with activities setup.py But it seems that many things are still to set ... 2011/12/5

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 10:49:21PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 06:28:15PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Hello everyone, I am following the ActivitiesGuideSugar pdf from august 2010. - I've fetched tutorial source code for etext activity (chapter 5 :

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Do you think an installation of Trisquel-Gnome-Sugar5.0-Alpha instead of Xubuntu will solve my problems ? 2011/12/5 laurent bernabe laurent.bern...@gmail.com Ok, Thanks. As James Simons advised me, I uninstalled Sweet distribution from my linux system. I would like to make the standard sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Oh sorry Aleskey, but I did not understand many things in your crossed post (the one you posted at 23:57 from a Paris meridian - UTC+1 ?) 2011/12/6 laurent bernabe laurent.bern...@gmail.com Do you think an installation of Trisquel-Gnome-Sugar5.0-Alpha instead of Xubuntu will solve my problems

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Ubuntu 11.04 based: If you do not require a desktop plus sugar and do not need non free software Try Trisquel-sugar-5.0 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast Boot CD and try it and if it is OK then install it to HD or use this .img to dd write a persistent USB

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:55:44PM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Ok, Thanks. As James Simons advised me, I uninstalled Sweet distribution from my linux system. You could install it again. Use what works for you. I would like to make the standard sugar emulator (this wich is given by

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
So, what's the best solution in my case, for Pippy = installing sweet distribution or avoiding it ? And is it a trouble if a switched multiple times between sweets and ubuntu standard package version of sugar emulator ? What is the best way to show you that my camera is functionnal ? I can

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Simmons
Laurent, My advice was based on my experience with Fedora. Based on what you're seeing it would make sense to uninstall Canonical's Sugar (since it seems to have the same issue with not having the sugar libraries in the PYTHONPATH that Sweets does) and give Sweets another try. It sounds like

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Unfortunately, I will need some of the non-free packages (above all for music and proprietary drivers of my graphic card). So, maybe I should avoid Trisquel 2011/12/6 Thomas C Gilliard satel...@bendbroadband.com Ubuntu 11.04 based: If you do not require a desktop plus sugar and do not need

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
I don't have any XO bundle, so I can give all my attention to the integration of Sugar on my laptop. So sweet is the best solution, I'm going to put it back. So that the only problem will remain the launchment of setup.py install. ___ Sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] sugar-toolkit-gtk3 patches

2011-12-05 Thread Sascha Silbe
Hi Simon et al., sugar-toolkit-gtk3 is starting to get into shape (branch silbe-rework-20111205). Remaining issues: 1. 7431584: Restructure for new /usr/bin/sugar-activity behaviour (Daniel Drake) This patch, back-ported to the GTK2 sugar-toolkit, and it's sugar counterpart should

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 15

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:11:37AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: So, what's the best solution in my case, for Pippy = installing sweet distribution or avoiding it ? For Pippy, install Sweets. And is it a trouble if a switched multiple times between sweets and ubuntu standard package version

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:19:20AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: I don't have any XO bundle, so I can give all my attention to the integration of Sugar on my laptop. An .xo bundle is created by dist_xo option of setup.py. You can do this (creating an .xo bundle) using python setup.py dist_xo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:02:02AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Do you think an installation of Trisquel-Gnome-Sugar5.0-Alpha instead of Xubuntu will solve my problems ? Well, the whole purpose for Sweets is to avoid situation when people need to install the whole GNU/Linux distribution only

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
Hi, I have an ACER notebook with Ubuntu 11.10 I install the sugar-emulator and works good.. For install an activity, like an XO from the Journal or with the Terminal Activity. Out of the emulator, to install an activity: put the .xo in the activities folder (/home/user/Activities/ and change

Re: [Sugar-devel] Multi-lingual relaying on Sugar IRC channles is stopped

2011-12-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 06:26:33PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: Hi all! Starting from the recent times, translation[1] on Sugar IRC channels stopped working properly (messages started being skipped). This feature is disabled entirely for now, since missed IRC posts on translated channels might

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Ok, that answer make really sense to me : particularly the distro changing avoidment ^^ I'll make all tests you want me too, if it can help to find what is wrong. (I've saved my system in a ghost image on last morning ^^) 2011/12/6 Aleksey Lim alsr...@activitycentral.org On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:52:44PM +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: I try the Peppy activity (version 34) and works all except the camera... It will never work unless someone tells me what it says is wrong! It works fine for me. I've tested version 40 and 43. Perhaps you should try the

[Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Ok for the message digest = turned off You're right, I didn't know about the posting style. Here the stack trace for the camera example --- File myhome/.sugar/default/org.laptop.Pippy/tmp/pippy_app.py line

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:19:13AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Here the stack trace for the camera example File myhome/.sugar/default/org.laptop.Pippy/tmp/pippy_app.py line 35, in module image = pygame.image.load('/tmp/pippypic.jpg') pygame.error : Unsupported image format Thanks!

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar emulator][Ubuntu 11.04] I can't install an activity (with the setup.py)

2011-12-05 Thread Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
It will never work unless someone tells me what it says is wrong! It works fine for me. I've tested version 40 and 43. Perhaps you should try the latest version instead of version 34? Sorry, I'm wrong.. The Peppy version was 43... Actually, camera example in Pippy uses pygame and gst.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
Thank you Alan :) I've progressed ^^ - I've download the version 43 of Pippy and installed it on my home/Activities folder - when i restarted emulator, i was able to run XOlympic, Physics, Playsine and Sequence - the Camera example still send me an error = (line 35 of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:40:45AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: * the Playwave and GetSoundList both seems to be requiring tam tam edit activity (which i will download and install) : the stacktrace is too long for me to copy it hand by hand, as I did not manage to copy/paste the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar as a Green Design Pattern

2011-12-05 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 04:19:44PM +0100, Lionel Laské wrote: (sorry for cross posting, not sure that Support-gang was the best place, hope to have more luck here :-) Hi all, A friend of mine works on a book on Green Design Patterns: It means how a good software design

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
From your new command error, i know now that I need to install gst-launch : i'll retry after having installed it 2011/12/6 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:19:13AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: Here the stack trace for the camera example File

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
No, it is the same computer for email and emulator : but when I click on Pippy terminal, my selection disappear and I'm not allowed to copy it. I did not manage with the toolbar neither (the copy menu did nothing in fact). 2011/12/6 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
I've installed the gst utility, then run your command = no error I went in /tmp folder and see a strange capture from my webcam named pippypic.jpg But camera example still return the same problem (sorry but the copy command from the toolbar did not copied content to clipboard) : cannot recognize

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2011-12-05 Thread laurent bernabe
It does not work neither : I think that my host system clipboard is not connected to the emulator clipboard. 2011/12/6 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.com The menu, copy to the Sugar clipboard.. Check it in the left part of the framework.. Appears an icon.. And you can open with

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:59:52AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: I've installed the gst utility, then run your command = no error I went in /tmp folder and see a strange capture from my webcam named pippypic.jpg What do you mean by strange? Was the image good? Could you see the image

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar as a Green Design Pattern

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 12:47:08AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: In my mind, it is mostly nothing about Sugar [learning environment], but about OLPC's efforts of creating XO laptops. Moreover, Sugar [learning environment] might be considered as a bad example for Green Design Patterns, because is

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:59:52AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: I've installed the gst utility, then run your command = no error I went in /tmp folder and see a strange capture from my webcam named pippypic.jpg What do you mean by strange? Was the image good? Could you see the image

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 38, Issue 17

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 02:03:35AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: It does not work neither : I think that my host system clipboard is not connected to the emulator clipboard. Yes, that's one negative aspect of using emulator. So you can only paste using emulator. Browse activity? -- James

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:52:20AM +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:59:52AM +0100, laurent bernabe wrote: I've installed the gst utility, then run your command = no error I went in /tmp folder and see a strange capture from my webcam named pippypic.jpg

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
In that case, the problem is not Sugar or Pippy, and you can work with your Linux distribution support community to determine the problem. My guess is that it has something to do with the camera hardware, driver, or gst. But the Record Activity works perfect... And another aplications for

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 02:00:07AM +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: In that case, the problem is not Sugar or Pippy, and you can work with your Linux distribution support community to determine the problem. My guess is that it has something to do with the camera hardware, driver, or

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
What method have you used for displaying the image file? I used qiv and gimp. QIV Unless someone can fix this, I propose to remove the camera example. The problem not is the example.. in a XO all the examples run good... Maybe, modify it..

Re: [Sugar-devel] The stacktrace for the Pippy camera example error

2011-12-05 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 02:16:31AM +, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn wrote: What method have you used for displaying the image file? I used qiv and gimp. QIV Thanks. Unless someone can fix this, I propose to remove the camera example. The problem not is the example.. in a XO all the