Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC 2013] Interested in Implement help mechanism for activities using Mallard

2013-04-12 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda callka...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.orgwrote: +10 Many thanks to Bastein for focusing us all on the topic again. We need use the easier possible way to write (and translate) the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC 2013] Interested in Implement help mechanism for activities using Mallard

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Kalpa Welivitigoda callka...@gmail.com writes: Although the project idea says to implement a help system using Mallard, we can extend it, write help files in plain text and convert them to desired forms (Mallard, html etc) so that we can present them in several possible ways. Yep, that makes

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC 2013] Interested in Implement help mechanism for activities using Mallard

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com writes: Coming up with a decent framework which we can populate from these sources would take us a long ways. Indeed. I created this repo: https://github.com/bzg/aslodocs I will try to populate with docs when I find time for this. I welcome merge

[Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 00:17, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Hi When the XO was first designed it was an open choice for operating system, desktop and file manager. Some innovative choices were made to optimise the experience of new young users. Some I think were good, some bad. I think Android

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I'm not seeing any of those, if not in a few individuals, and that worries me. Maybe people don't care or maybe there is a lack of leadership... I don't know. The community working in the platform it's just a few individuals right now... And the community work in a lot of different problems,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Chromium integration inside the sugar shell (was Re: Kicking off HTML5 activities work)

2013-04-12 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I like the general idea. Question: This means a Chromium process should be working all time? Gonzalo On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I spent some time today thinking and experimenting with Chromium integration and I have a more detailed

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 07:06:22AM -0500, David Farning wrote: It is the lack of transparency that causes people to become disillusioned and leave the project. Sounds more like there aren't enough people writing code convincingly enough for the other people writing code. (Says the peanut

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC 2013] Interested in Implement help mechanism for activities using Mallard

2013-04-12 Thread Kalpa Welivitigoda
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Bastien b...@laptop.org wrote: Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com writes: Coming up with a decent framework which we can populate from these sources would take us a long ways. Indeed. I created this repo: https://github.com/bzg/aslodocs I will try

Re: [Sugar-devel] Chromium integration inside the sugar shell (was Re: Kicking off HTML5 activities work)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 12:48, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I like the general idea. Question: This means a Chromium process should be working all time? That's the case in the implementation I described. Though I think it could be optimized to avoid that. If the shell caches the apps

[Sugar-devel] GSoC: Keyboard Activities Project

2013-04-12 Thread Anuj Pahuja
Hi, I'm Anuj. I'm a 2nd year Computer Science undergrad student and I'm applyig for GSoC this year. I went through the org list and am really interested in working with Sugar Labs for the Music Keyboard activities project. Can anyone please guide me on how to get started and make progress on this?

[Sugar-devel] GSoC 2013

2013-04-12 Thread Mathilde André
Hello,   I would like to participate in GSoc 2013 and I'm particulary interested in two of your projects : Display notes in a score in Music Keyboard activity and Portfolio video.  I have knowledges in Python. Would it be possible to have some more details about them in order to choose

Re: [Sugar-devel] Tuxmath on 0.96+ mystery

2013-04-12 Thread lionel
would be good: -create a GIT repo in git.sugarlabs.. to put the versions of the activity and improve the patch/fixes.. -update the style of bars in the activity launcher (at the begin) -upload a new version to aslo with this fixes and others fixes Hmmm, yes it’s what we should

Re: [Sugar-devel] Chromium integration inside the sugar shell (was Re: Kicking off HTML5 activities work)

2013-04-12 Thread lionel
Hi Daniel, Impressive idea with a cool architecture. BTW, to be honest I think it’s… too complex. Why not just create a standard Python activity template that call the WebKit WebView? Like we do today. But maybe I miss something or maybe we don’t speak of the same thing? When I wrote

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Sean DALY
Daniel - thanks for that cc'ing the IAEP list, since the topic of the future of Sugar is I believe of general interest to developer and non-developer contributors alike. Porting Sugar to Android was identified at the beginning of the year by the Oversight Board as a strategic goal for Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] Chromium integration inside the sugar shell (was Re: Kicking off HTML5 activities work)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi Lionel, we are more or less understanding each other :) I think there are really three possible steps 1 A WebView with an html5/javascript based sugar-toolkit 2 Support for web activities along with native ones, inside a native shell 3 Fully html5 sugar My feeling is that we should target

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-0.98.7

2013-04-12 Thread Manuel Quiñones
This is Sugar bugfixing release 0.98.7. Thanks a lot to Daniel Narvaez, Martin Abente and Gonzalo Odiard for reviewing and testing. == Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.98.7.tar.bz2 == News == * Release 0.98.7 (Manuel Quiñones) * Update Sucrose

Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] Fwd: Re: Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hi Folks... Notes from Sunny SoCal... Another reason to Androidize Sugar... whenever someone asks me (as recently as last evening) about the XO Learning Tablet, they assume Sugar will run on it. I have to tell them, no, it's an Android platform, but we hope to get Sugar running on Android

Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] Fwd: Re: Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 23:40, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Would it be possible to, instead of trying to port all of Sugar to Android, start with a few key Activities? I think that's the idea. Porting the whole Sugar to Android would involve porting a lot of system components and then

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release FotoToon-14

2013-04-12 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4253 Sugar Platform: 0.98 - 0.100 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/28542/fototoon-14.xo Release notes: Code cleanup, many fixes, Save the story as a PDF (Agustin Zubiaga) Using textview for edit texts (with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 22:52, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: The initial work seems very encouraging, yet it seems Sugar Labs doesn't currently have the resources to make an Android offer available anytime soon. But: now is the time. I believe fundraising is vital to achieve this goal, at the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Anish Mangal
Hi Daniel, et. al., Do you think Ubuntu could be an (easier) option for sugar to piggyback upon... This is not a because-i-think-ubuntu-is-cool opinion, but testament to the fact that canonical have been working to get ubuntu running on tablets and smartphones.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
O.K. So... now it is time to divide and conquer! That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. Someone (at Sugar Labs, logically) just needs to be in charge and coordinate the efforts to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Caryl Bigenho
O.K. So... now it is time to divide and conquer! That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. Someone (at Sugar Labs, logically) just needs to be in charge and coordinate the efforts to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 12.04.2013, at 15:39, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: O.K. So... now it is time to divide and conquer! Is it? That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. IMHO the

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2013

2013-04-12 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Hi, I have created a page with pointers to the MusicKeyboard tasks. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/MusicKeyboard Gonzalo On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Mathilde André mathilde.and...@orange.frwrote: Hello, I would like to participate in GSoc 2013 and I'm particulary interested

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC: Keyboard Activities Project

2013-04-12 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Hi Anuj, I wrote a page with information about how start: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/MusicKeyboard Gonzalo On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Anuj Pahuja apnoob...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm Anuj. I'm a 2nd year Computer Science undergrad student and I'm applyig for GSoC this

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi Anish, that's interesting. First impressions from a quick look. There isn't really much documentation so I won't promise this is fully accurate :) Ubuntu is running in a chroot on the top of a modified android kernel. That's a bit of an hack and I wouldn't recommend it if we had to maintain

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de writes: That is... divide the work up into doable little projects and conquer the huge task of getting Sugar Activities onto Android and possibly other platforms. IMHO the individual activities are *not* what makes Sugar such a compelling proposition.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Bastien
Hi Sean, I've not closely followed all these discussions, so obviously I'm not in the best position to provide good arguments, but here is my gut feeling about this. I see three challenges: put Sugar in the hands of many kids, build a healthy FLOSS community, raise funds. The latter is just a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 13 April 2013 01:36, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anish, that's interesting. First impressions from a quick look. There isn't really much documentation so I won't promise this is fully accurate :) Ubuntu is running in a chroot on the top of a modified android kernel.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Chromium integration inside the sugar shell (was Re: Kicking off HTML5 activities work)

2013-04-12 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 12 April 2013 23:18, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lionel, we are more or less understanding each other :) I think there are really three possible steps 1 A WebView with an html5/javascript based sugar-toolkit 2 Support for web activities along with native ones, inside a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future (was Re: Re: [DESIGN] Single instance activities)

2013-04-12 Thread Anish Mangal
+1 (in spirit to fixing challenges with Sugar as a FLOSS community) On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Bastien b...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Sean, I've not closely followed all these discussions, so obviously I'm not in the best position to provide good arguments, but here is my gut feeling about

[Sugar-devel] [GSoC] Mentor association

2013-04-12 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Hi I want to contribute to sugar as a mentor, I could do some co-mentorship or something similar. My Google-Melange linkdID is jza Anyone needing a backup, can drop me an email, and give me some pointers to get on board with the project at hand. -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC] Mentor association

2013-04-12 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Oh btw I am JZA on #sugar if you want to chat about the project and need more interactivity. On 4/12/13, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote: Hi I want to contribute to sugar as a mentor, I could do some co-mentorship or something similar. My Google-Melange linkdID is jza Anyone needing a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread forster
Thanks to everybody who has contributed to the discussion so far, particularly to Sean for his well researched post on Android developments. The choices as I understand: 0) Do not have an Android transition plan 1) A suite of Activities with a common look and feel but leave things like file

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 03:48:00PM -0700, Bert Freudenberg wrote: [...] the individual activities are *not* what makes Sugar such a compelling proposition. Sure, having some of them as apps on other platforms would be nice. But isn't collaborating and sharing at the heart of Sugar? The Journal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar future

2013-04-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 11:21:26AM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Thanks to everybody who has contributed to the discussion so far, particularly to Sean for his well researched post on Android developments. The choices as I understand: 0) Do not have an Android transition plan I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Chromium integration inside the sugar shell (was Re: Kicking off HTML5 activities work)

2013-04-12 Thread William Orr
I'm pretty new to the mailing list and the project, but I'm pretty sure that starting a new Chrome instance for every launched activity is far too taxing for the XOs. I think that Lionel's idea of using a Python activity that uses the WebKit WebView is a much, much better solution.