Re: [Sugar-devel] How everyone can help with 0.100

2013-10-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > By the way I think libxklavier 5.4 is not even in Fedora 19 but it's > required for the keyboard control panel section to work. I've just checked this but presumably by 5.4 you mean an unreleased version or SVC head because there is no 5.4

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Jerry Vonau
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 19:48 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Ruben Rodríguez > wrote: > > > Also, there are some bits of code in both Sugar and the activities > > that assume to be running on Fedora, or even on an XO, and those need > > cleaning. > > Be nice to know

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 02:00:06AM +0200, Ruben Rodríguez wrote: > 2013/10/8 Walter Bender : > > Be nice to know about these so we can fix them. > > Sure thing! We just finished with the first leg of the project and the > resultant image is getting tested now, so soon I'll start sending > patches.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Ruben Rodríguez
2013/10/8 Walter Bender : > Be nice to know about these so we can fix them. Sure thing! We just finished with the first leg of the project and the resultant image is getting tested now, so soon I'll start sending patches. There are usually small things, like scripts written in bash (ubuntu uses d

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Ruben Rodríguez
2013/10/7 Gonzalo Odiard : > I agree. Have Sugar working on Ubuntu would be great, but would be mainly: > * Solve dependencies in ubuntu (update/fix packages) > * Make Sugar work with other dependencies when is not possible. > > In the first case, upstream is Ubuntu, in the second case, upstream is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Ruben Rodríguez wrote: > Also, there are some bits of code in both Sugar and the activities > that assume to be running on Fedora, or even on an XO, and those need > cleaning. Be nice to know about these so we can fix them. thx > > > -- > Rubén Rodríguez > Activi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Ruben Rodríguez
2013/10/7 Daniel Narvaez : > > I would like to understand better what you mean with porting. It should just > be matter of writing package specs (or really fixing the existing ones...), > no? Mainly, but since we work with Ubuntu LTS for the deployment's benefit we had to backport patches into go

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 7 October 2013 23:39, James Cameron wrote: >> >> I agree with Samuel; that with the loss of public review of patches >> participation in development has been confined to those who take the >> trouble to visit a web site. >> >> (The review

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 8 October 2013 01:07, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > This actually is kind of what I meant (and perhaps should be a separate > thread). > To simplify things I will only answer about the 0.100 release cycle. Things have changed a lot anyway and it's probably not worth focusing on the past. > My u

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Walter Bender
My 2 cents: Since the switch to github, we've have a much better turn-around on reviews and we've attacked new reviewers. I think those data speak for themselves. As Daniel said, we welcome help further shaping the process. regards. -walter On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Manuel Quiñones wrote

Re: [Sugar-devel] Next release

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi, I think we should certainly *not* branch until January/Australia release. If anyone disagrees now it's the time to speak up. Really, looking forward I think we should switch to continuous development and never branch again. But that certainly will require more discussion. On 8 October 2013

Re: [Sugar-devel] Next release

2013-10-07 Thread Chris Leonard
If a branch is going to be declared, we will need to address it in Pootle as well. Please advise. On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 8 October 2013 00:43, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez >> wrote: >> > It sounds like it might b

Re: [Sugar-devel] Next release

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 8 October 2013 00:43, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez > wrote: > > It sounds like it might be an opportunity for upstream to get feedback > from > > real users, which we need desperately. So I think it would be a good > idea to > > "refocus" 0.100 around

Re: [Sugar-devel] Next release

2013-10-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > It sounds like it might be an opportunity for upstream to get feedback from > real users, which we need desperately. So I think it would be a good idea to > "refocus" 0.100 around this deployment. So > > 1 Stay in bugfixing mode until January

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 8 October 2013 00:22, James Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 12:00:47AM +0200, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > > Well "everyone seems to be developing their own version of Sugar" > > seems to be more than that. But maybe I'm just reading too much into > > it. > > > > There aren't multiple grou

Re: [Sugar-devel] [support-gang] Helping test Sugar 0.100

2013-10-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > No, I never had a koji user. > > How can I have one? Become a Fedora packager. Peter ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:10 PM, James Cameron wrote: > I agree with Martin on the odd directions Ubuntu is exhibiting; it may > be safer to target Debian instead, from which support for Ubuntu will > generally follow. > > (On the other hand, I lack evidence to agree with claims about the > stabil

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 12:00:47AM +0200, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Well "everyone seems to be developing their own version of Sugar" > seems to be more than that. But maybe I'm just reading too much into > it. > > There aren't multiple groups of people or individuals developing > sugar on their own

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 8 October 2013 00:08, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > James, Sam, I see this as a question of taste. > Exactly. The sooner people understand that, the sooner we will stop having discussions about the review process over and over :) ___ Sugar-devel mailing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/10/7 James Cameron : > Daniel Narvaez wrote: >> Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> > Daniel wrote: >> > > Gonzalo Odiard wrote: >> > > > Samuel Wrote: >> > > > In general one of my frustrations lately is that now that we no >> > > > longer publicly review patches on this mailing list, everyone >> > > >

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Image Viewer-59

2013-10-07 Thread Peter Robinson
Can I have a tar file for this release please? Peter On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 1:39 AM, Sugar Labs Activities wrote: > Activity Homepage: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4032 > > Sugar Platform: > 0.98 - 0.100 > > Download Now: > http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/28766/image_v

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 7 October 2013 23:39, James Cameron wrote: > I agree with Samuel; that with the loss of public review of patches > participation in development has been confined to those who take the > trouble to visit a web site. > > (The reviews by mail were also stimulating other discussion on list). > > S

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread James Cameron
Daniel Narvaez wrote: > Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > > Daniel wrote: > > > Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > > > > Samuel Wrote: > > > > In general one of my frustrations lately is that now that we no > > > > longer publicly review patches on this mailing list, everyone > > > > seems to be developing their own ve

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread James Cameron
I agree with Martin on the odd directions Ubuntu is exhibiting; it may be safer to target Debian instead, from which support for Ubuntu will generally follow. (On the other hand, I lack evidence to agree with claims about the stability or direction of Fedora. So few people I know use it.) -- Ja

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM, David Farning wrote: > As a more incremental approach, Activity Central will continue our > deployment-centric work by porting Dextrose to Ubuntu. >From a "deploy to XOs PoV" that sounds like a ton of work. You'll grind against a lot of little problems. Fedora is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: > On 7 October 2013 18:41, David Farning wrote: > >> Would either of these list be appropriate to continue these >> discussions about this downstream efforts to port sugar to Ubuntu for >> use on hardware not sold by the Association? >> >> Pha

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On Monday, 7 October 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > In general one of my frustrations lately is that now that we no longer > publicly review patches on this mailing list, everyone seems to be > developing their own version of Sugar. > >> >> Can you elaborate on this one? I haven't noticed this kind

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
In general one of my frustrations lately is that now that we no longer publicly review patches on this mailing list, everyone seems to be developing their own version of Sugar. > > Can you elaborate on this one? I haven't noticed this kind of change (and > we have not been reviewing most patches o

Re: [Sugar-devel] Build broken in sugar-web checks

2013-10-07 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/10/7 Daniel Narvaez : > What about skipping less files whose first line is exactly > > // recess: ignore > > Adding a list of files to ignore in sugar-build would suck a bit. Fine, Daniel. And yeah the "//" is the proper way to comment in LESS. -- .. manuq .. __

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 7 October 2013 18:41, David Farning wrote: > Would either of these list be appropriate to continue these > discussions about this downstream efforts to port sugar to Ubuntu for > use on hardware not sold by the Association? > > Phase one has been a poof of concept as seen at > http://wiki.suga

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 7 October 2013 19:24, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > > >- Updating the Sugar release in Ubuntu sounds like something everyone >could benefit from, not just Dextrose users. Is there any reason not to >base most of this work starting with upstream Sugar & existing Ubuntu >packages? >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Build broken in sugar-web checks

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
What about skipping less files whose first line is exactly // recess: ignore Adding a list of files to ignore in sugar-build would suck a bit. On 7 October 2013 19:26, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > 2013/10/7 Daniel Narvaez : > > On 7 October 2013 18:59, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > >> > >> 2013/10/7

Re: [Sugar-devel] Build broken in sugar-web checks

2013-10-07 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/10/7 Daniel Narvaez : > On 7 October 2013 18:59, Manuel Quiñones wrote: >> >> 2013/10/7 Daniel Narvaez : >> > >> > http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/quick/builds/265/steps/shell_2/logs/log >> >> Oh, we have to change the check. Now sugar.less is imported by >> sugar-*.less, so those are

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
Disclaimer: These are my personal views, and are not the official views of OLPC. - It should be fine to discuss anything Sugar-related on the sugarlabs.org development lists. Sugar Labs does not use any OLPC hosting services, and is an independent group as part of the Software Freedo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Arch Linux XO image and Sugar packages

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hello, I setup a buildbot instance to build the packages daily, using the XO as a build slave for arm http://sugarlabs.org:8011/waterfall https://github.com/dnarvaez/archbot You can pull them by adding this to your /etc/pacman.conf [sugar] SigLevel = Never Server = http://sugarlabs.org/~dnarvae

Re: [Sugar-devel] Build broken in sugar-web checks

2013-10-07 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2013/10/7 Daniel Narvaez : > http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/quick/builds/265/steps/shell_2/logs/log Oh, we have to change the check. Now sugar.less is imported by sugar-*.less, so those are the ones we need to check. -- .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-d

Re: [Sugar-devel] Build broken in sugar-web checks

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 7 October 2013 18:59, Manuel Quiñones wrote: > 2013/10/7 Daniel Narvaez : > > > http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/quick/builds/265/steps/shell_2/logs/log > > Oh, we have to change the check. Now sugar.less is imported by > sugar-*.less, so those are the ones we need to check. > Will rec

[Sugar-devel] A robotics session at OLPC SF?

2013-10-07 Thread Sameer Verma
We have the Uruguay Butia robot, a couple of LEGO WeDo kits and a Mindstorms NXT box that we can provide. Any takers on running a session on robotics at the OLPC SF Community Summit 2013? http://www.olpcsf.org/CommunitySummit2013/proposal cheers, Sameer -- Sameer Verma, Ph.D. Professor, Informat

[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Gears-5

2013-10-07 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4696 Sugar Platform: 0.100 - 0.100 Download Now: http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/28778/gears-5.xo Release notes: Forgot to add the new CSS files Sugar Labs Activities http://activities.sugarlabs.org __

[Sugar-devel] Activity Central's Sugar related priorities.

2013-10-07 Thread David Farning
As a data point for other decision makers and a follow up to some of the recent threads on the future of Sugar, I would like to share Activity Central's Sugar priorities for the next six months. Activity Central supports the recent HTML5 + JS work that is going into sugar .100. It has the potentia

[Sugar-devel] Build broken in sugar-web checks

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
http://buildbot.sugarlabs.org/builders/quick/builds/265/steps/shell_2/logs/log -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] Template:Activity-oneline

2013-10-07 Thread Walter Bender
Just a heads up that I made a slight change to http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Template:Activity-oneline Rather than linking to non-existent activity pages in wiki.laptop.org, I have it link to wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/ I don't think this impacts the updater, just the display of the pages in th

Re: [Sugar-devel] Arch Linux XO image and Sugar packages

2013-10-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 7 October 2013 05:14, Sebastian Silva wrote: > El 05/10/13 18:59, Daniel Narvaez escribió: > > * AUR -git packages for the Sugar core and the browse activity. They >> makes it pretty easy to install the very latest sugar. (I tested them on my >> laptop, not on the XO yet). >> > > Nice to hear