Re: [Sugar-devel] Happy / Sad laptop system load monitor

[Walter Bender]

Even Chrome developers have bad judgement on occasion :P (Actually the
issue is that :) is too vague for the range of issues that can impact the
system. It sufficiently precise for the Chrome application).

-walter


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Bernie Innocenti 
wrote:

> Look, even Chrome copied our design to show users that they're opening too
> many tabs! :-)
>
>   http://imgur.com/Ep6VhC0
>
>
>
> On 05/23/14 09:50, Walter Bender wrote:
>
>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sebastian Silva
>> mailto:sebast...@fuentelibre.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Thans for the archeology Bernie!
>>
>> I agree that perhaps happy/sad isn't the proper metaphor. I remember
>> having a similar WindowMaker dockapp, that would show the face from
>> Doom's guy for the same purpose. Not very informative, but fun.
>>
>> Now, about this implementation, as i remember, once the palette is
>> open, proper cpu/mem graphs appear. Perhaps we can come up with a
>> less emotionally loaded metaphor.
>>
>> I would disagree that user's shouldn't need to know this data, in
>> fact with such a constrained machine as XO it is pretty useful
>> feedback and as I remember it was part of the original Sugar design
>> (it was not in the frame, but in the home view's relative area of
>> use for each active icon).
>>
>>
>> The original Sugar design used a different approach (a circle of
>> activities filling up in the center of the home screen). My objection to
>> the Smiley implementation was not that users shouldn't need to know
>> these data. Rather, not enough information was available and it was
>> over-simplifying something complex, masking the inherent complexity.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>> El vie, 23 de may 2014 a las 6:08 AM, Walter Bender
>> mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>> escribió:
>>
>>  +1 to something like conky, which is real information instead of
>>> pretending to give the kids information. if you want smiley faces,
>>> they should have real data behind them.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
>>> mailto:i...@browndouglas.plus.com>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 22:34 -0005, Sebastian Silva wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> > I remember Sugar as deployed in Dextrose 1 had a signature
>>> happy/sad
>>> > laptop icon and both memory / cpu load indicators.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I am dogfooding Sugar again on a memory constrained laptop
>>> and am in
>>> > need of a memory monitor, and this would be lovely.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Is that code alive? Maybe it was a good idea to have by
>>> default.
>>> >
>>> I remember testing that on a low resource machine and the
>>> avatar lagged
>>> the events, and was not educational.
>>>
>>> I felt that the ability to embed a couple of elements from
>>> conky [1] in
>>> the frame would be superior. I have found conky to be
>>> understood by very
>>> young testers.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Iain
>>>
>>> [1] http://conky.sourceforge.net/
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Sebastian
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Happy / Sad laptop system load monitor

[Bernie Innocenti]

Look, even Chrome copied our design to show users that they're opening 
too many tabs! :-)


  http://imgur.com/Ep6VhC0


On 05/23/14 09:50, Walter Bender wrote:

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Sebastian Silva
mailto:sebast...@fuentelibre.org>> wrote:

Thans for the archeology Bernie!

I agree that perhaps happy/sad isn't the proper metaphor. I remember
having a similar WindowMaker dockapp, that would show the face from
Doom's guy for the same purpose. Not very informative, but fun.

Now, about this implementation, as i remember, once the palette is
open, proper cpu/mem graphs appear. Perhaps we can come up with a
less emotionally loaded metaphor.

I would disagree that user's shouldn't need to know this data, in
fact with such a constrained machine as XO it is pretty useful
feedback and as I remember it was part of the original Sugar design
(it was not in the frame, but in the home view's relative area of
use for each active icon).


The original Sugar design used a different approach (a circle of
activities filling up in the center of the home screen). My objection to
the Smiley implementation was not that users shouldn't need to know
these data. Rather, not enough information was available and it was
over-simplifying something complex, masking the inherent complexity.


Regards,
Sebastian

El vie, 23 de may 2014 a las 6:08 AM, Walter Bender
mailto:walter.ben...@gmail.com>> escribió:


+1 to something like conky, which is real information instead of
pretending to give the kids information. if you want smiley faces,
they should have real data behind them.

regards.

-walter


On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Iain Brown Douglas
mailto:i...@browndouglas.plus.com>>
wrote:

On Thu, 2014-05-22 at 22:34 -0005, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> Hi,
> I remember Sugar as deployed in Dextrose 1 had a signature
happy/sad
> laptop icon and both memory / cpu load indicators.
>
>
> I am dogfooding Sugar again on a memory constrained laptop
and am in
> need of a memory monitor, and this would be lovely.
>
>
> Is that code alive? Maybe it was a good idea to have by default.
>
I remember testing that on a low resource machine and the
avatar lagged
the events, and was not educational.

I felt that the ability to embed a couple of elements from
conky [1] in
the frame would be superior. I have found conky to be
understood by very
young testers.

Regards,
Iain

[1] http://conky.sourceforge.net/
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
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[Sugar-devel] Google' Jump Start Awards

[Christoph Derndorfer]

Thought this might be interesting to some projects here and potentially
even SL itself to apply:

https://sites.google.com/site/jumpstartawards/home

Cheers,
Christoph
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