Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN RFC] Onboarding

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Sam Excellent proposal. We should solicit community input on additional items which experience users need to learn to get comfortable with using the XO. I think your implementation involves too much programming. Perhaps a youtube style screencast walkthroughs and posters would be an alte

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN RFC] Onboarding

2015-12-26 Thread Sam P.
Hi All, Sugar has a novel user interface, with lots of beautiful and logical things. However, there are some important elements (such as the frame or journal) that are not familiar or intuitive to new users. This is an issue, as sugar currently relys upon exploration as our only user onboarding

[Sugar-devel] email problem

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Walter I sent you an email with the results of my testing of the gci activities. I am having ipv6 troubles with gmail. When I sent the mail through the olenepal (gmail) account - it didn't bounce, but I don't know if it went through. This problem started Dec. 9 and apparently only affects

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

2015-12-26 Thread James Simmons
Tony, I have been lurking on these mailing lists for the past few years but haven't made any contribution to Sugar in that time. You may recall that I wrote a couple of FLOSS manuals for OLPC, and strangely enough that led me away from the project, because it convinced me I had a future as an auth

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #4926 Physics HIGH: physics-28 fails to start on fedora 18 i386

2015-12-26 Thread Walter Bender
Quozi, Could you please test the lastest bits at https://github.com/walterbender/physics to see if it fixes the problem on XO1.5? On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Sugar Labs Bugs < bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org> wrote: > #4926: physics-28 fails to start on fedora 18 i386 > ---

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Walter Bender
Tony, if you have a list of activities that need porting to GTK3, please let me know: it makes for nice GCI projects. That is how, in fact much of the updating happened over the past few years. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 21:11:09) > I guess you see how far out from the developer community I am. I > associate sucrose with Activity Central. I am not sure what a sucrose > developer is. You need not know the details of how the parts of a code eco-system is divided in order to help:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Jonas I guess you see how far out from the developer community I am. I associate sucrose with Activity Central. I am not sure what a sucrose developer is. The involved developers have been doing well. However, for many of the activities in ASLO, the original contributors have moved on, a n

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 19:53:47) [Jonas wrote:] >> True - either that or ditch the activities evidently too badly >> maintained to work well with modern Sugar. > > Aye, There's the rub! > > Is the problem 'bad maintenance or none at all' or 'modern' Sugar. > Certainly TuxMath is suffe

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Jonas True - either that or ditch the activities evidently too badly maintained to work well with modern Sugar. Aye, There's the rub! Is the problem 'bad maintenance or none at all' or 'modern' Sugar. Certainly TuxMath is suffering from 'abandonment'. However, even abandoned code continue

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 16:29:09) > Yet more examples of this broken software problem. I would call it examples of _unmaintained_ software. I.e. in my opinion for these examples the Sugar environment does the right thing of both a) moving to GTK+ 3.x while b) providing legacy support

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Jonas Yet more examples of this broken software problem. I have scripts which provide the 'bad and ugly' codecs for GStreamer 0.10 which work very well. I have had to regress to Jukebox 26 in order for this to work, but it performs well. I have been unable to find where these codecs go for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

2015-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 15:31:16) > Thanks. That sounds like enough to get me going. Sadly, this also > means porting to gtk3 but it will need to be done anyway. Thanks - a hassle indeed, but urgently needed not only for collaboration: * GStreamer 0.10 (tied to GTK+ 2.x) is deprecat

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

2015-12-26 Thread Sam P.
Hi James, On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 2:28 PM, James Cameron wrote: > Thanks all for the thread and replies. > > I'm not sure I understand the situation fully yet, but I'll make some > comments regardless. Hopefully any disconnect between my comments and > your understanding will help fix mine. > >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Sam Thanks. That sounds like enough to get me going. Sadly, this also means porting to gtk3 but it will need to be done anyway. Yours, Tony On 12/26/2015 11:57 AM, Sam P. wrote: Hi Tony, Sorry that I was a bit vague in the previous email. The collab wrapper is not yet merged into sug

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

2015-12-26 Thread Sam P.
Hi Gonzalo, I agree with your perspective that we do need to make the wrapper the best it can be before locking ourselves into it. That is a good plan. I'm not sure what you mean about adding a parameter to the setup method. Could you please elaborate? Thanks, Sam On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 10:55

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of collaboration work

2015-12-26 Thread Sam P.
Hi Tony, Sorry that I was a bit vague in the previous email. The collab wrapper is not yet merged into sugar-toolkit-gtk3, however can be used by activities by copying a script and including it in their activity. The collabwrapper script is available here: https://github.com/samdroid-apps/collab