Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 30 March 2016 at 15:56, Lionel Laské  wrote:

>
> As I said at last meeting, I would like to add a topic regarding "Sugar
> vision".
> Will share a document proposal.
>

I am very eager to see your draft!! :D
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Dave Crossland 
On 30 March 2016 at 21:27, Adam Holt  wrote:

> the above is just a proposal


I think this is a very wise proposal :)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set

2016-03-30 Thread Shirsh Zibbu 
Sir.

Here is the link to my repo:
https://github.com/zhirzh/sugarizer-activity-moon
I apologize for not replying earlier.

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 2:08 AM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> Hi Shirsh,
>
> It need some changes in French.
> I'll be pleased to fix it. Tell me where is your repo, I'll send you a PR.
> I'll be pleased too to integrate it in Sugarizer.
>
> Best regards from France.
>
>Lionel.
>
>
> 2016-03-28 13:26 GMT+02:00 :
>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2016 14:41:05 +0530
>> From: Shirsh Zibbu 
>> To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> Subject: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2016 | Sugarizer Activity Set
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> canv4pe7_eptmfvbjey++1+ydkizbk+i8p3e0gojd7iqbu5-...@mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hello.
>> Recently, I have been working on translation for Sugarizer activity moon
>> <
>> http://t.sidekickopen04.com/e1t/c/5/f18dQhb0S7lC8dDMPbW2n0x6l2B9nMJW7t5XZs4WrKXjN8q-6Y2dnqP2VRzDdF56dC9ff6Yjdzx02?t=https%3A%2F%2Fzhirzh.github.io%2Fsugarizer-activity-moon%2F=5100779840208896=631b3d7c-6866-45fe-b3e4-61dd4736a20b
>> >
>> and have implemented basic feature. I got the translations from google
>> translate, but I am unsure of its correctness.
>>
>> Can someone confirm if the translations are correct?
>> If they are wrong, please provide with the correct translation.
>>
>> To change language, open console (press Ctrl + Shift + I) and type in:
>>
>> > l10n.language.code = 'fr'
>>
>>
>> To switch to english
>>
>> > l10n.language.code = 'en'
>> >
>> -- next part --
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Adam Holt 
On Mar 30, 2016 8:20 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
> Here is the current agenda:
>
> Agenda:
> 1. Google Summer of Code status (Walter)
> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning (Walter)
> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en las
lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima (Walter and CJL)
> 4. I18n manager discussion (Tony)
> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria (Walter and CJL)
> 6. Sugar Vision (Lionel)
> 7. Treasurer position and process (Adam and Caryl) See [1]
> 8. Rules of the Road (Adam)

Thanks Walter.  Actual topic is: absenteeism of board members.

In short, proactive replacement of board members who become regularly
absent for whatever unfortunate reason (health, death, resignation, family
obligations, change of life circumstances, etc).

Sometimes life gets in the way (and eventually death) of everyone's service
commitments, and we should honor their past service if so, no hard feelings
as life is about change!

To keep us all moving firmly forward, I will suggest that Board ethics
presume voting very regularly (or actively abstaining, by email if nec) or
if that's not possible: for board members to kindly remove themselves from
the Board if they are unfortunately unable to stay engaged, for whatever
reason.

Certainly we hope no board members ever die, suffer mental incapacitation,
kidnapping etc.  However ongoing decision-making and dynamic governance is
severely disrupted by ongoing absenteeism, whatever the regrettable reason.

So in keeping with the board 2010's decision on this matter from a
different era, I will suggest that if a Board Member (1) fails to vote and
attend pre-scheduled Board meetings for more than 12 weeks, (2) resigns or
(3) dies, then the Board is empowered and encouraged to appoint a
replacement for this seat.

Finally, just a clarification that the Replacement Board Member would be
required to defend their seat during the very next election.

Of course the above is just a proposal, towards nudging forward the
efficiency and effectiveness of Sugar Labs' Board: naturally this (or any
such similar) will need to be voted on by the Board, before it can be
enacted!

> 9. Sugar Translation Projects Fund (Laura)
> 10. ???
>
> I am not sure how we are going to manage to get through the list in one
hour, but I'll try to keep things moving. Topics 1-3 should be quick. Have
some materials prepared in advance will help.
>
> [1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>> During February's meeting I was assigned to report back during March's
meeting ideas on how to replace continuously inactive board members -- in a
respectful, consistent and most professional way -- to protect the vibrancy
of our legacy.
>>
>> Then during March's meeting, time did not permit me to present this
high-priority action, ensuring our legacy and governance is purposeful and
on track.
>>
>> Thanks all for keeping clean, proactive governance at the top of our
list, even if only for a few minutes, as yes even an oft-anarchistic
community of dreamers needs cohesive rules-of-the-road :-)
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2016 3:56 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Walter,
>>>
>>> As I said at last meeting, I would like to add a topic regarding "Sugar
vision".
>>> Will share a document proposal.
>>>
>>> Best regards from France.
>>>
>>>Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-03-30 13:31 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender :

 The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board will be Friday, 1
April at 19:00 UTC. Please join us at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (you
can access our IRC channel through the web interface provided at
http://chat.sugarlabs.org).

 Agenda:
 1. Google Summer of Code status
 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en
las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
 4. I18n manager discussion
 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
 6. YOUR TOPIC HERE

 Looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday.

 regards.

 -walter
 --
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Laura Vargas 
I really hope the proposal for the "Sugar Projects translation fund"
creation makes it to the meeting. All we want is to start working with
clear rules.

Yo realmente espero que la propuesta de creación del "Fondo para traducir
proyectos de Sugar" logre estar en la reunión. Todo lo que queremos es
empezar a trabajar con reglas claras.


Here a peace message for all:
Aqui un mensaje de paz para todos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE-4-CVbmQ4

Blessings

2016-03-31 2:47 GMT+08:00 Chris Leonard :

> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Sebastian Silva
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 30/03/16 10:57, Chris Leonard wrote:
> >> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
> >> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
> >> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
> >> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
> >> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
> >> Walter is a busy guy.
> >
> > After how she was ignored in the last meeting [1] and the fact that the
> > proposal still is NOT in the agenda, I think she has a good reason to be
> > concerned.
> >
> > [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-03-04#i_2862389
>
>
> Sebastian, to quote your wife's e-mail "After a long talk with Edgar,
> I am very worried that you keep asking for funds on his name.".   In
> rhetorical terms, what you are doing is known as misdirection.  I was
> speaking to her expressed concerns about Edgar, not about her  "Sugar
> Translation Projects Fund" proposal.  I did not feel it necessary to
> address that point as Walter's agenda:
>
> Agenda:
> 1. Google Summer of Code status
> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en
> las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
> 4. I18n manager discussion
> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
> 6. YOUR TOPIC HERE
>
> includes an invitation for additional topic to be added (i.e. YOUR
> TOPIC HERE), but perhaps that was lost in translation.
>
> >> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
> >> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
> >> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
> >> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
> >> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
> >> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
> >> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
> >> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
> >> work have been widely distributed.
>
> > Your long email is filled with errors.
>
> Please be specific, I welcome the opportunity to address any mistakes
> I may have made.
>
> > Please read the following emails (use an autotranslator and ask if you
> don't understand, sorry,
> > sugar-devel is supposed to be bilingual) in order to get an idea about
> > the issues surrounding the Aymara translation in Peru. Those emails had
> > Roger Gonzalo the translator hired by the Ministry of Education in copy.
> >
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050416.html
> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050449.html
> >
> > In short, no, the Aymara work done last year from Sugar Labs is not
> > exemplary at all.
>
> Do I detect an attempt at sarcasm in that autotranslator comment?
> That's not at all collegial,  My Spanish is indeed a bit rusty, but I
> muddle through.  When one works in i18n/L10n one must be aware of (and
> sensitive to) the role of language and culture, as well as the fact
> that some things, like sarcasm, do not translate well.
>
> Yes, in June of 2015, I did miss reading two messages posted to
> sugar-devel that had no further on-list follow-up.  I'm afraid my only
> defense to that accusation is that there were 132 messages from that
> list in that month and these two escaped my notice.  In retrospect,
> I'm sorry I missed the opportunity to comment in a more timely manner.
> This doesn't seem to be the right place for it, but the issues you
> raise in those messages do not seem to be either egregious in number
> or all that unexpected to someone with broader L10n project management
> experience, it is part and parcel of the task.  I'm glad that you
> addressed them, but they in no way tarnish the value of the extensive
> work done by Edgar.
>
> > Seeing so many misconceptions from your part and an unwillingness to
> > engage with the actual local community, I am concerned that you may not
> > be the ideal candidate for a Localization Team leader if this will be a
> > paid position. I am passionate about the subject and knowledgeable about
> > its intricacies and have been underfunded for a long time to engage in
> > this work, therefore I hereby announce that I will ask for

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Chris Leonard 
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Sebastian Silva
 wrote:
>
>
> On 30/03/16 10:57, Chris Leonard wrote:
>> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
>> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
>> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
>> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
>> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
>> Walter is a busy guy.
>
> After how she was ignored in the last meeting [1] and the fact that the
> proposal still is NOT in the agenda, I think she has a good reason to be
> concerned.
>
> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-03-04#i_2862389


Sebastian, to quote your wife's e-mail "After a long talk with Edgar,
I am very worried that you keep asking for funds on his name.".   In
rhetorical terms, what you are doing is known as misdirection.  I was
speaking to her expressed concerns about Edgar, not about her  "Sugar
Translation Projects Fund" proposal.  I did not feel it necessary to
address that point as Walter's agenda:

Agenda:
1. Google Summer of Code status
2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en
las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
4. I18n manager discussion
5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
6. YOUR TOPIC HERE

includes an invitation for additional topic to be added (i.e. YOUR
TOPIC HERE), but perhaps that was lost in translation.

>> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
>> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
>> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
>> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
>> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
>> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
>> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
>> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
>> work have been widely distributed.

> Your long email is filled with errors.

Please be specific, I welcome the opportunity to address any mistakes
I may have made.

> Please read the following emails (use an autotranslator and ask if you don't 
> understand, sorry,
> sugar-devel is supposed to be bilingual) in order to get an idea about
> the issues surrounding the Aymara translation in Peru. Those emails had
> Roger Gonzalo the translator hired by the Ministry of Education in copy.
>
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050416.html
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050449.html
>
> In short, no, the Aymara work done last year from Sugar Labs is not
> exemplary at all.

Do I detect an attempt at sarcasm in that autotranslator comment?
That's not at all collegial,  My Spanish is indeed a bit rusty, but I
muddle through.  When one works in i18n/L10n one must be aware of (and
sensitive to) the role of language and culture, as well as the fact
that some things, like sarcasm, do not translate well.

Yes, in June of 2015, I did miss reading two messages posted to
sugar-devel that had no further on-list follow-up.  I'm afraid my only
defense to that accusation is that there were 132 messages from that
list in that month and these two escaped my notice.  In retrospect,
I'm sorry I missed the opportunity to comment in a more timely manner.
This doesn't seem to be the right place for it, but the issues you
raise in those messages do not seem to be either egregious in number
or all that unexpected to someone with broader L10n project management
experience, it is part and parcel of the task.  I'm glad that you
addressed them, but they in no way tarnish the value of the extensive
work done by Edgar.

> Seeing so many misconceptions from your part and an unwillingness to
> engage with the actual local community, I am concerned that you may not
> be the ideal candidate for a Localization Team leader if this will be a
> paid position. I am passionate about the subject and knowledgeable about
> its intricacies and have been underfunded for a long time to engage in
> this work, therefore I hereby announce that I will ask for this position
> in opposition to you.

Please be specific about any misconceptions on my part.

I must strenuously object to this statement "unwillingness to engage
with the actual local community"  It is entirely unsubstantiated and
frankly offensive.  Is this how you would treat all volunteers to
Sugar Labs if given a funded position?  I feel no particular need to
defend my record of interactions with local language communities
against your entirely unwarranted and self-serving attack.  Shame on
you, you know better, you seem to have let your "passion" get the
better of you.

> For transparency I have been paid ~3300 US dollars by the Ministry of
> Education of Peru for integrating

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Sebastian Silva 


On 30/03/16 10:57, Chris Leonard wrote:
> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
> Walter is a busy guy.

After how she was ignored in the last meeting [1] and the fact that the
proposal still is NOT in the agenda, I think she has a good reason to be
concerned.

[1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/2016-03-04#i_2862389

> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
> work have been widely distributed.
Your long email is filled with errors. Please read the following emails
(use an autotranslator and ask if you don't understand, sorry,
sugar-devel is supposed to be bilingual) in order to get an idea about
the issues surrounding the Aymara translation in Peru. Those emails had
Roger Gonzalo the translator hired by the Ministry of Education in copy.

http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050416.html
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2015-June/050449.html

In short, no, the Aymara work done last year from Sugar Labs is not
exemplary at all.

Seeing so many misconceptions from your part and an unwillingness to
engage with the actual local community, I am concerned that you may not
be the ideal candidate for a Localization Team leader if this will be a
paid position. I am passionate about the subject and knowledgeable about
its intricacies and have been underfunded for a long time to engage in
this work, therefore I hereby announce that I will ask for this position
in opposition to you.

For transparency I have been paid ~3300 US dollars by the Ministry of
Education of Peru for integrating translations, writing patches for
Sugar, training translators, writing a manual, maintaining Pootle, and
releasing a localized OLPC OS build from Nov 2014 to Jan 2016. The fact
that you take credit for some of this work, is lamentable too.

Any further question from the SLOBs or the translation committee are
more than welcome as transparency is indeed very important.

I will write a proposal and share it publicly as everything in Sugar
Labs should be in the first place.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Laura Vargas 
Dear Chris,

I see no reason not to discuss such an important issue before the SLOBs
meeting.
No veo la razón para no discutir un tema tan importante antes de la reunión
de la Junta de Surpevisión.

I'm including Edgar in the mail so he can be aware and keep track of this
situation.
Estoy incluyendo a Edgar en el mail, asi el podras estar conviente y hacer
seguimiento de esta situación.

We think we should be aware if someone is asking for funds on our name.
Don't you?
Nosotros pensamos que debemos estar informados si alguien pide fondos en
nuestro nombre. Usted no?

Best, Saludos
cc Edgar Quispe
Laura Victoria

2016-03-30 23:57 GMT+08:00 Chris Leonard :

> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
> > Walter,
> >
> > After a long talk with Edgar, I am very worried that you keep asking for
> > funds on his name.
> >
> > You requested US$1,000 on January and he has no idea, and now you are
> > requesting funds for him to assist to a meeting that he is not going to
> > attend, because the meeting in Lima is today and today he has no money to
> > travel.
> >
> > This can not continue.
> >
> > Please explain.
>
>
> Laura, I think there is little or no cause for your worry.  there is
> no need to be alarmist.
>
> Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
> obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
> reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
> SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
> questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
> Walter is a busy guy.
>
> As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
> let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
> Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
> automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
> migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
> of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
> Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
> should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
> work have been widely distributed.
>
> I should also note that the pseudonymous user: traductor_aymara
> (e-mail conta...@somosazucar.org) has contributed 4000 words to Aymara
> (separately from Edgar's work).
>
> BTW, who is the actual Aymara-speaking translator of the strings
> submitted under this username?   I would love to contact them about
> some issues relating to the classification of the Aymara language in
> ISO-639 that are currently under discussion concerning the ayc_PE
> glibc locale  that I submitted upstream to enable use of Aymara L10n
> in Sugar.  It is important to bring direct input from Aymara speakers
> to this conversation and I am hoping to reach out to as many
> L10n-aware Aymara speakers as I can find in order to help them
> properly stake their various claims on the Aymara "name-space" in
> Linux and to avoid future namespace collisions as more software is
> localized into various forms of Aymara across various platforms.
>
> In the interest of transparency, has somosazucar solicited or received
> any funding for the L10n work done under the traductor_aymara username
> (or that of the similarly registered user: traductor_quechua?
>
> If so, what were the terms of that funding?
>
> It would help to put all information about Aymara translations on the
> table and allow people to make informed judgments as to any potential
> conflicts-of-interest that may or may not exist.  Looking forward to
> learning more about this.
>
>
> cjl
>



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[Sugar-devel] 2 Motions for Consideration 04/01/16

2016-03-30 Thread Caryl Bigenho 
Hi Folks…
I am presenting 2 proposals regarding the position of Treasurer (a position 
currently undefined and unfilled) for consideration at Friday's SLOBs meeting. 
One is an ammendment to the bylaws regarding the eligibility of the person 
serving in the position and the other is a separate motion dealing with the 
duties of said Treasurer and how financial matters would be handled going 
forward. 
To see and comment or "tweak" these proposals, you can go to: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit?usp=sharing
  
I will also attach a copy to this email, but to add your input, please go to 
Google Docs to do it so we can all see it. You will note that something has 
been left open intentionally under "Expenses" ($X). Comments and suggestions on 
this amount before the meeting would be a way to speed things up when the board 
actually considers the motion.
The main purpose of these motions is to clarify how finances will be handled in 
the future and to simplify and clarify  the procedure for requesting and 
disbursing funds for approved projects. The proposal submitted by Samson Goddy 
for a translation project in Nigeria is an excellent example of the kind of 
well crafted proposal that we would hope to see in the future with these 
motions added to the bylaws.
I also want to clarify that, under no circumstances do I wish to be considered 
for the position of Treasurer. I think it should be someone who has the time 
and energy to do it well!  I can think of several such people, but I will leave 
that to the SLOBs.
Caryl Bigenho
P.S. I have been without internet since Sunday (just had new service installed 
late yesterday) so I didn't send this until this morning.



  

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Updating activities (and Sugar)

2016-03-30 Thread Chris Leonard 
James,

Thank you so much for your reply to my query.  I really appreciate the
details you added.  I have a much better handle on the update process
in various contexts now, which had previously been shrouded in mystery
(well, at least in my mind).

More to the point, I now have a clear understanding that the formerly
useful PO files for sugar-update-control no longer serve a purpose and
can be considered as deprecated, so there is no need for me to repost
them on Pootle.  That is where I will leave things unless someone has
any additional thoughts on the matter.

Regards,

cjl

On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 5:00 PM, James Cameron  wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 04:34:08PM -0400, Chris Leonard wrote:
>> So, back in the day, there were two PO files in a grouping on Pootle I
>> had named "OLPC Software".  They were things related to Sugar, but
>> were more-or-less unique to running it on XO laptops:
>>
>> 1)
>>
>> olpc_switch_desktop.pot contains the strings for switching between
>> Sugar and Gnome on an XO.
>>
>> This corresponds to this package in the 13.2.7 build:
>> olpc-switch-desktop-0.9.2-1.olpc.noarch
>>
>> olpc-switch-desktop repo is at:
>> http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-switch-desktop/
>>
>> I recovered the strings we had from the old Pootle backups and loaded
>> them on the current Pootle server, adding additional languages we may
>> want.
>>
>> http://translate.sugarlabs.org/projects/OLPC_switch_desktop/
>>
>> We'll eventually recover our Pootle-repo connections, and I will work
>> with Quozl to make sure it works (in due time); but at least for now
>> we are collecting strings again against the next release (technically
>> the next packaging, I guess).  New XO deployments (or re-deployments)
>> will want these strings in their own language.
>>
>> 2)
>>
>> There is one other PO file called sugar-update-control.pot, that I am
>> trying to figure out and I wanted your help.  As I recall, this was
>> the strings for updating activities and also Sugar (see attached POT
>> file for the strings).  I honestly don't know if we are still using
>> them anymore or if updating happens in some other way.  I can't seem
>> to find the repo (or package listed in the 13.2.7 build) for a
>> certainty.
>>
>> I find these packages on Fedora:
>>
>> >From 0,20 - 0,23
>> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/repo/pkgs/sugar-update-control/
>>
>> and there is this package in the 13.2.7 build (see attached package
>> inventory, from an XO-4 example):
>>
>> olpc-update-2.29-1.fc18.noarch
>> http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-update/
>
> olpc-update is an operating system updater, similar to ostree.
>
> Since the activities on an XO are in the /home directory, they are not
> affected by an olpc-update.
>
>> but it does not seem to have any strings (no po folder) in the repo.
>> I have recovered the old PO files for the sugar-update-control
>> package, but I wanted some questions answered before I post them on
>> Pootle again.
>>
>>
>> So here are my questions:
>>
>> 1) Does a Sugar user on an XO need the sugar-update-control package
>> to update?
>
> No.  Sugar has an updater built-in.  sugar:src/jarabe/model/update
>
> The built-in updater updates _only_ activities, not Sugar itself, and
> has several backends.
>
> On the XO we use the microformat backend, with the URL pointing at the
> OLPC Wiki.  e.g. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/13.2.7
>
> We set the URL in
> http://dev.laptop.org/git/projects/olpc-os-builder/tree/modules/sugar_activity_group/kspost.60.activities.py?h=v7.0
>
>> 2) Does a Sugar user not on an XO need this?
>
> No.  Sugar not on an XO uses either native packaging of activities,
> or the built-in updater.  For my builds, the built-in updater is
> pointing at an empty file on our servers, just in case we need it.
>
> Martin did work on a native packaging updater backend, but that isn't
> merged yet.
>
>> 3) If needed on an XO, why is it not in the 13.2.7 build, i.e. does it
>> serve a function distinct from olpc-update-2.29-1.fc18.noarch? Am I
>> missing something here?
>>
>> 4) Where is the repo for sugar-update-control?
>
> No idea.  But I don't need it on XO or non-XO.  Can't remember needing
> it.
>
> A quick search of previous releases shows it was in 13.2.1 alongside
> Sugar 0.98.  With the move to later Sugar, it was no longer a dependency.
>
>> Thanks for any help you can give me in learning about this issue.  I'm
>> just trying to make sure that all Sugar users get the all strings they
>> need to have a fully localized learning experience, but I have lost
>> touch with some of the technical details so I appreciate any time you
>> might take to investigate this matter and relieve me of my ignorance.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> cjl
>
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> http://quozl.netrek.org/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Chris Leonard 
On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:
> Walter,
>
> After a long talk with Edgar, I am very worried that you keep asking for
> funds on his name.
>
> You requested US$1,000 on January and he has no idea, and now you are
> requesting funds for him to assist to a meeting that he is not going to
> attend, because the meeting in Lima is today and today he has no money to
> travel.
>
> This can not continue.
>
> Please explain.


Laura, I think there is little or no cause for your worry.  there is
no need to be alarmist.

Walter put it on the agenda for discussion at the SLOB meeting,
obviously he plans to explain, I don't see why you would expect him
reply to your widely broadcast message at this time, simply attend the
SLOB meeting or read the transcript after and then raise further
questions if you have them.  Two days is not too long to wait and
Walter is a busy guy.

As for your speaking on Edgar's behalf about his plans, I think we can
let Edgar speak for himself, he is a long standing member of the Sugar
Labs L10n community and although it is unfortunate that some of the
automated history of his contributions was lost in the Pootle
migration, I can attest for the fact that he has submitted in excess
of 20,000 words of Aymara L10n to Sugar.  The work he has done in
Aymara provides the best model we have of how further funding of L10n
should be done.  The exact terms under which Sugar Labs funded his
work have been widely distributed.

I should also note that the pseudonymous user: traductor_aymara
(e-mail conta...@somosazucar.org) has contributed 4000 words to Aymara
(separately from Edgar's work).

BTW, who is the actual Aymara-speaking translator of the strings
submitted under this username?   I would love to contact them about
some issues relating to the classification of the Aymara language in
ISO-639 that are currently under discussion concerning the ayc_PE
glibc locale  that I submitted upstream to enable use of Aymara L10n
in Sugar.  It is important to bring direct input from Aymara speakers
to this conversation and I am hoping to reach out to as many
L10n-aware Aymara speakers as I can find in order to help them
properly stake their various claims on the Aymara "name-space" in
Linux and to avoid future namespace collisions as more software is
localized into various forms of Aymara across various platforms.

In the interest of transparency, has somosazucar solicited or received
any funding for the L10n work done under the traductor_aymara username
(or that of the similarly registered user: traductor_quechua?

If so, what were the terms of that funding?

It would help to put all information about Aymara translations on the
table and allow people to make informed judgments as to any potential
conflicts-of-interest that may or may not exist.  Looking forward to
learning more about this.


cjl
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Laura Vargas 
Walter,

After a long talk with Edgar, I am very worried that you keep asking for
funds on his name.

You requested US$1,000 on January and he has no idea, and now you are
requesting funds for him to assist to a meeting that he is not going to
attend, because the meeting in Lima is today and today he has no money to
travel.

This can not continue.

Please explain.

2016-03-30 19:31 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :

> The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board will be Friday, 1 April
> at 19:00 UTC. Please join us at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (you can
> access our IRC channel through the web interface provided at
> http://chat.sugarlabs.org).
>
> Agenda:
> 1. Google Summer of Code status
> 2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
> 3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en las
> lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
> 4. I18n manager discussion
> 5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
> 6. YOUR TOPIC HERE
>
>
I am not sure of the reason why the proposal for the creation of the "Sugar
Projects Translation Funds" was ignored on the last meeting.

No vote on favor or against it was done.

I did request to add the "Sugar Translation Projects Fund" topic on the
agenda last time. And I'm requesting again for the 1st of April meeting.
Any question about the proposal I'll continue to answer constructively,
looking forward for a transparent procedure to request and distribute such
funds.

This may be the most important decision for current SLOBs.


> Looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Announcing the release of Fedora 24 Alpha!

2016-03-30 Thread Thomas Gilliard 

Works fine in f23 QEMU/kvm 1024 memory 2 processors:

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-24-20160329.n.1.iso

Fails to start:
"Failed to allocate space for phdrs--System Halted"

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-24-20160329.n.1.iso


On 03/30/2016 05:36 AM, Peter Robinson wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 24 Alpha is out with sugar 0.108.1 in SoaS.

Please test!

Of particular note of this release we have all the core bits to fix
collaboration so now is the time to fix your Activity and release a
new version (with tar ball please!) so we can finally put this issue
to bed. What would be even cooler is porting your Activity to
gtk3/gstreamer-1 while your at it (gtk3 toolkit might even be a req
for fixed collaboration, Sam or Martin who know better than me on that
topic can chime in on that one!)

You can get it from here (or the closest Fedora mirror to you, they're
all on the mirrors now too):
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-24-20160329.n.1.iso
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-24-20160329.n.1.iso
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-24-20160329.n.1-sda.raw.xz

PS if you're all really good with your releases there might even be
some fruity new feature in time for F-24 Beta ;-)

Peter

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dennis Gilmore 
Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:52 PM
Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora 24 Alpha!
To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


The Fedora 24 Alpha is here, right on schedule for our planned June
final release. Download the prerelease from our Get Fedora site:

- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Workstation https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/
prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Server https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Cloud https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Spins https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Labs https://labs.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha ARM https://arm.fedoraproject.org/prerelease


What is the Alpha release?
--
The Alpha release contains all the features of Fedora 24's editions in
a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided by the Fedora
QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When these bugs are fixed,
we make a Beta release available. A Beta release is code-complete and
bears a very strong resemblance to the third and final release. The
final release of Fedora 24 is expected in June.

If you take the time to download and try out the Alpha, you can check
and make sure the things that are important to YOU are working. Every
bug you find and report doesn't just help you, it improves the
experience of millions of Fedora users worldwide!

Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as we
can, and your feedback improves not only Fedora, but Linux and Free
software as a whole.

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report


Fedora-Wide Changes
---
Under the hood, glibc has moved to 2.23.  The update includes better
performance, many bugfixes and improvements to POSIX compliance, and
additional locales. The new library is backwards compatible with the
version of glibc that was shipped in Fedora 23, and includes a number
of security and bug fixes.

We've also updated the system compiler to GCC 6 and rebuilt all
packages with that, providing greater code optimization and catching
programming errors which had slipped past previous compilers.

Workstation
---
- Workstation features a preview of GNOME 3.20, which was released
   just after the Alpha was cut. The GNOME 3.20 release is already
   available in the Fedora 24 update stream. Once you install Fedora 24
   Alpha, you can use Software or dnf to update. GNOME 3.20 will of
   course be part of Fedora 24 Beta and the Final release.

- We have decided not to make Wayland, the next generation graphic
   stack, the default in Fedora 24 Workstation. However, Wayland
   remains available as an option, and the Workstation team would
   greatly appreciate your help in testing. Our goal is one full
   release where the non-default Wayland option works seamlessly, or
   reasonably close thereto. At that point we will make Wayland the
   default with X11 as the fallback option.

- There have been many changes to theming in GTK+ 3, where a stable
   API has not been declared. As a result, applications that use custom
   CSS theming, for example, may show issues with their appearance.
   This may include

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Announcing the release of Fedora 24 Alpha!

2016-03-30 Thread Peter Robinson 
Hi All,

Fedora 24 Alpha is out with sugar 0.108.1 in SoaS.

Please test!

Of particular note of this release we have all the core bits to fix
collaboration so now is the time to fix your Activity and release a
new version (with tar ball please!) so we can finally put this issue
to bed. What would be even cooler is porting your Activity to
gtk3/gstreamer-1 while your at it (gtk3 toolkit might even be a req
for fixed collaboration, Sam or Martin who know better than me on that
topic can chime in on that one!)

You can get it from here (or the closest Fedora mirror to you, they're
all on the mirrors now too):
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-24-20160329.n.1.iso
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/i386/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-i386-24-20160329.n.1.iso
https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/24/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-armhfp-24-20160329.n.1-sda.raw.xz

PS if you're all really good with your releases there might even be
some fruity new feature in time for F-24 Beta ;-)

Peter

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dennis Gilmore 
Date: Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 2:52 PM
Subject: Announcing the release of Fedora 24 Alpha!
To: devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org,
annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org


The Fedora 24 Alpha is here, right on schedule for our planned June
final release. Download the prerelease from our Get Fedora site:

- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Workstation https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/
prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Server https://getfedora.org/en/server/prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Cloud https://getfedora.org/en/cloud/prerelease/
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Spins https://spins.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha Labs https://labs.fedoraproject.org/prerelease
- Get Fedora 24 Alpha ARM https://arm.fedoraproject.org/prerelease


What is the Alpha release?
--
The Alpha release contains all the features of Fedora 24's editions in
a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided by the Fedora
QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When these bugs are fixed,
we make a Beta release available. A Beta release is code-complete and
bears a very strong resemblance to the third and final release. The
final release of Fedora 24 is expected in June.

If you take the time to download and try out the Alpha, you can check
and make sure the things that are important to YOU are working. Every
bug you find and report doesn't just help you, it improves the
experience of millions of Fedora users worldwide!

Together, we can make Fedora rock-solid. We have a culture of
coordinating new features and pushing fixes upstream as much as we
can, and your feedback improves not only Fedora, but Linux and Free
software as a whole.

* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule
* https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report


Fedora-Wide Changes
---
Under the hood, glibc has moved to 2.23.  The update includes better
performance, many bugfixes and improvements to POSIX compliance, and
additional locales. The new library is backwards compatible with the
version of glibc that was shipped in Fedora 23, and includes a number
of security and bug fixes.

We've also updated the system compiler to GCC 6 and rebuilt all
packages with that, providing greater code optimization and catching
programming errors which had slipped past previous compilers.

Workstation
---
- Workstation features a preview of GNOME 3.20, which was released
  just after the Alpha was cut. The GNOME 3.20 release is already
  available in the Fedora 24 update stream. Once you install Fedora 24
  Alpha, you can use Software or dnf to update. GNOME 3.20 will of
  course be part of Fedora 24 Beta and the Final release.

- We have decided not to make Wayland, the next generation graphic
  stack, the default in Fedora 24 Workstation. However, Wayland
  remains available as an option, and the Workstation team would
  greatly appreciate your help in testing. Our goal is one full
  release where the non-default Wayland option works seamlessly, or
  reasonably close thereto. At that point we will make Wayland the
  default with X11 as the fallback option.

- There have been many changes to theming in GTK+ 3, where a stable
  API has not been declared. As a result, applications that use custom
  CSS theming, for example, may show issues with their appearance.
  This may include default applications that come with Fedora 24 Alpha
  Workstation. Users are asked to try out their favorite GTK+ 3 based
  applications and report bugs upstream so they might be addressed in
  time for the final release.


Server
--
- FreeIPA 4.3 (Domain Controller role) is included in Fedora 24. This
  version helps streamline installation of replicas by adding a
  replica promotion method for new installs. A new topology

[Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2016-03-30 Thread Walter Bender 
The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board will be Friday, 1 April
at 19:00 UTC. Please join us at irc.freenode.net #sugar-meeting (you can
access our IRC channel through the web interface provided at
http://chat.sugarlabs.org).

Agenda:
1. Google Summer of Code status
2. Wiki Cleanup Party planning
3. Request from Edgar Quispe to attend Traducción e interpretación en las
lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima
4. I18n manager discussion
5. Proposal from Samson Goddy re i18n in Nigeria
6. YOUR TOPIC HERE

Looking forward to seeing everyone on Friday.

regards.

-walter
-- 
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Sugar Labs
http://www.sugarlabs.org

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