Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
= animator.Animator(0.0, 10) self._popdown_anim.add(_PopdownAnimation(self)) gobject.GObject.__init__(self, **kwargs) -- 1.5.6.5 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Bernie Innocenti
them at the end of the day about their experience. Or -- if we were evil enough -- we could patch only half of the stations and see which group performs better ;-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] sunjammer: upgrade to Jaunty, Sat Oct 10th @ 20:00-24:00EST

2009-10-14 Thread Bernie Innocenti
if that would help. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] sunjammer: upgrade to Jaunty, Sat Oct 10th @ 20:00-24:00EST

2009-10-14 Thread Bernie Innocenti
will automatically build binaries for all distros and archs! It works very much like Koji in Fedora. If you want to debug a build on a local machine, you could also use your sunjammer shell account. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Zero-install-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
it would be great if multiple projects adopted it as part of their security model. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http

[Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
._popdown_anim = animator.Animator(0.6, 10) +self._popdown_anim = animator.Animator(0.0, 10) self._popdown_anim.add(_PopdownAnimation(self)) gobject.GObject.__init__(self, **kwargs) -- 1.5.6.5 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http

[Sugar-devel] Zero-calorie bundles?

2009-10-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
=2009hour=11min=0sec=0p1=43 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] sunjammer: upgrade to Jaunty, Sat Oct 10th @ 20:00-24:00EST

2009-10-10 Thread Bernie Innocenti
=0p1=43 -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Tue, 29-09-2009 a las 16:25 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: Bernie Innocenti wrote: 1) are there lighter-weight alternatives for the most popular uses of numpy? No. It has no competition, and is used by virtually every program that uses python and performs array manipulation. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Test ballot complete. Feedback

2009-09-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
or to me personally. Yeah yeah, that's really great and stuff... but you forgot to tell us the *most important* thing that *everyone* is eager to know: WHAT'S THE BEST ACTIVITY? (-; -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] sugar-pippy dependencies

2009-09-28 Thread Bernie Innocenti
to a subpackage of pygame. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] more mirrors

2009-09-27 Thread Bernie Innocenti
for download.sugarlabs.org. We could fix this by re-introducing /sugar and adding temporary compatibility aliases to the main server, but it wouldn't work for the mirrors. What do you think? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] more mirrors

2009-09-27 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. You should be able to log in as dfarn...@mirrorbrain.sugarlabs.org . You have sudo with no password. Mirrorbrain might not be the correct answer for sugarlabs. But at it would give us a starting point. Indeed. Please keep me updated. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
we need in order to support a number of common features such as inter-package dependencies, multiple architectures, system upgrades, package signing... way too many to list them all. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
, although on my system it failed to install the Subversion package with some weird error after downloading a bunch of packages. I'd replace the current bundle format with this any day, but it's far from being a solution. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. In a distant future, we could even come up with good fallbacks for these what if scenarios. But I wouldn't recommend complicating the design *for* them. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 23-09-2009 a las 12:25 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: Bernie Innocenti wrote: The use cases that work now would continue to work with any package format. That's definitely not true. One option (the one I thought you were advocating) is to make Activities just like any

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity bundle format (was Re: Long-term support for Sugar)

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 23-09-2009 a las 14:03 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz escribió: Bernie Innocenti wrote: A fixed platform with infinite backwards compatibility is a dream even for an interpreted language. Java. Java is just a marketing lie ;-) The official JVM did not even run anywhere, but on 3

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
their dependencies. Currently, they can just go on and package up all they need independently. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
activities to run on MacOS? And what about the whole Sugar environment? It would be an interesting project, and probably also useful to expand Sugar's reach even more. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
! We'll think about these esoteric scenarios when they come... if at all. The what if engineering often results in really bad engineering. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
market for Sugar. Linux distributors who have successfully built a reputation for offering good customer support, such as Red Hat, *do* make good profits and *do* reinvest a large part of them to contribute back to Linux development. Everyone wins. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
at Red Hat, of course! ;-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
support? Modern distros with 6 months release cycles are getting better at QA. Even Fedora is no longer the bleeding razor blade that it used to be. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. The press may even put all the blame on us! I don't think there's much we can do to prevent it. When it happens, we'll just sit and let our great Marketing Team leader Sean do all the talking to defend us ;-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
for different users seems to be an example, yeah. Why would we care to have concurrent versions of the same activity for different user accounts? Our computing model is inherently single-user. Besides, once you achieve local installation of rpms in ~/Activities, you'd get this feature too. -- // Bernie

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-20 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. Yet another advantage of free software. Our only concern should be to ensure that Sugar (and probably also SoaS) doesn't become *exclusively* controlled by only one entity in a way that would prevent an open and fair competition from any other entities. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-20 Thread Bernie Innocenti
good branding. Of course, in a good community all these people would try to work together rather than pointlessly compete with each other. The Sugar Labs Infrastructure Team can offer free disk space and bandwidth to host such a project. Are there any volunteers to do it? -- // Bernie Innocenti

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Trac maintenance

2009-09-18 Thread Bernie Innocenti
trac runs. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] Trac maintenance

2009-09-14 Thread Bernie Innocenti
it at all yet. We're still talking with Canonical and others to explore what long-term hosting possibilities make sense for a project of our size. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar

[Sugar-devel] sunjammer: downtime for relocation Sun, Sep 13 @ 22:30EST

2009-09-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
for error messages every time I want to do something as easy as net-installing a new VM. Until then, thank god it's free software. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

[Sugar-devel] Testing, please ignore

2009-09-08 Thread Bernie Innocenti
I moved the hos...@sugarlabs.org alias to Google Apps so it keeps working even if sunjammer goes down. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS v2 Beta Release - The Next Big Thing

2009-08-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. Are you sure you really uploaded it on sunjammer? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Friends view UI affordances?

2009-08-30 Thread Bernie Innocenti
they become patches to the code? Does the Design Team have some preferred way to do it? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-08-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
it: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/USB_format A few months ago, I got this useful piece of information which makes a lot of previously unbootable machines work: - Mensaje reenviado De: H. Peter Anvin h...@zytor.com Para: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org Cc: sysli

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-08-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
it from scratch. It does the right thing on the USB sticks I tried. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] trac.sugarlabs.org: Trac being upgraded, Aug 23 10:00-13:00 EST

2009-08-24 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 24-08-2009 a las 04:00 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:07, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I'd also like to propose using the URL http://trac.sugarlabs.org to refer to our trac instance. The dev. cname was appropriate

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

2009-08-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
year's bootstrap. BTW, thanks to you and Sebastian for coordinating this. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Labs Membership proposal

2009-08-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
to get some press coverage too? Linux Weekly News usually covers board elections of large free-software projects such as Gnome and KDE. Disclaimer: Sebastian and I are both running for SLOB slots in the upcoming election. HA! You're my political adversaries then! ;-) -- // Bernie Innocenti

[Sugar-devel] sunjammer: VM relocated back to old host

2009-08-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
mod_mem_cache in the hope it will save some computation, but if it's not effective we might have to reduce the number of Apache processes and start returning 500 server busy errors. Meanwhile, we're also investigating the possibility to migrate ASLO to a different host altogether. -- // Bernie Innocenti

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] sunjammer: VM relocated back to old host

2009-08-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sat, 15-08-2009 a las 13:59 +0200, Luke Faraone escribió: On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:42, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I enabled mod_mem_cache in the hope it will save some computation, but if it's not effective we might have to reduce the number of Apache processes and start

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] sunjammer: VM relocated back to old host

2009-08-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
a comparison Feel free to forward this message to the relevant list. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo

[Sugar-devel] develer.com: switch to new uplink, Aug 13 23:00 UTC

2009-08-13 Thread Bernie Innocenti
|| --reserved--|| -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: #1157 HIGH: Show which jabber server to which you are connected

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
rename it to sugar-utils and genericize it so it behaves nicely when not running on the XO. Are you the current maintainer of olpc-utils? I used to be, but now I don't feel like I have enough spare cycles to work on it. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. And isn't it funny how one company monopolizes *all* these vector graphics standards that were supposed to compete with each other: PostScript, PDF, Flash and SVG. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
tells them to do. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Javascript ;-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
without going through the ISDN nonsense that plagued Europe for many years. Will developing countries be lucky enough to skip MS Word and PDF too and go directly to HTML and Wiki? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] sunjammer: server relocation, Aug 12, 21:30 EDT

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
issues. Apologies for any inconvenience, -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] Outage notifications via identi.ca

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
to notify !sugarlabsstatus in advance before taking down a public-facing service. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http

[Sugar-devel] List moderation, or lack thereof

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
will actually be rejected instead. I have also cleared a huge queue of pending moderator requests, discarding everything. Sorry for the inconvenience, Your lovely BOFH -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-08-11 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Tue, 11-08-2009 a las 10:59 +0200, Simon Schampijer escribió: @Infra-people, is it possible to get an own instance for soas? Sure, but... does it really have to be Trac? :-) -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] bender: new uplink change of IP, Aug 8 18:30 CEST

2009-08-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Sat, 08-08-2009 a las 18:00 +0200, Bernie Innocenti escribió: We could also add IPv4 port forwarding for the VMs, but I expect that 6to4 won't be as unreliable as the sixxs.net service has been. I added an A record for bender.sugarlabs.org alongside the existing record. Yesterday night

[Sugar-devel] bender: new uplink change of IP, Aug 8 18:30 CEST

2009-08-08 Thread Bernie Innocenti
to start testing a simpler 6to4 scheme and drop the AYIYA tunnel soon-ish. We could also add IPv4 port forwarding for the VMs, but I expect that 6to4 won't be as unreliable as the sixxs.net service has been. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] Trac wiki becomes read-only

2009-08-07 Thread Bernie Innocenti
for registered users. If anyone really needs it, they can ask for permission to one of our Trac admins: bernie codeeranger bernie coderanger TRAC_ADMIN erikos TRAC_ADMIN krstic TRAC_ADMIN marcopg TRAC_ADMIN tomeu TRAC_ADMIN wadeb walter TRAC_ADMIN -- // Bernie Innocenti - http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Trac wiki becomes read-only

2009-08-07 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Labs this month, I would appreciate your help on maintaining and extending our Mediawiki. Bothering me on IRC is usually the most effective way to get my attention quickly. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Commiter problem with git

2009-07-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Mandoki email = asa...@gmail.com You can also make this a setting global by putting it in ~/.gitconfig. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Commiter problem with git

2009-07-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
-- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
, administer than trac and has a much more active community developing useful plugins Does redmine solve the cases I described above? Simon -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Very interesting. We have a demo redmine instance here: http://prj.sugarlabs.org/ Would you like to help configure it to give us an idea of how it would work in practice? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 17:53 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: sure, i can work on it. i can try to put a couple hours into it tomorrow. You should have received login info by email. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracker enhancements

2009-07-09 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 18:01 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 07:40 -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 16:56 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: Would you like to help configure it to give us an idea of how it would work in practice? bernie: to be productive i

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Enabling https://translate.sugarlabs.org

2009-07-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
[cc += sugar-de...@] On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 10:25 +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 06:31:13AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: And even then, rather than paying the pizzo (*) to the SSL mafia, we coul create our own Sugar Labs CA and install our certificate in the bundle

Re: [Sugar-devel] CACert in Browse (was: Re: [Systems] Enabling https://translate.sugarlabs.org)

2009-07-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 12:44 +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 11:51:03AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Sure, they're having (organisational) trouble again, but to be honest I nevertheless trust them way more than any commercial CA. I used to trust them more, but many

[Sugar-devel] Sunjammer down for unplanned maintenance

2009-07-01 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. The server should be back up and running within a few minutes. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Sunjammer down for unplanned maintenance

2009-07-01 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 19:49 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: The FSF admins are working on fixing the problem. The server should be back up and running within a few minutes. Sunjammer has been bought back up a few hours ago. Anyone who would like to receive notifications regarding our servers

Re: [Sugar-devel] Introduction and question about introducing Sugar development

2009-06-28 Thread Bernie Innocenti
* for helping! -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
or within sugar-jhbuild shell. In jhbuild we need that so we can launch a second instance of the gconf daemon in the jhbuild session bus. Interesting, so maybe installing the GConf-dbus package in Jaunty will work around those problems? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ down again

2009-06-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Thanks for reporting it. We've been having a lot of trouble with Pootle lately. Possible solutions are being discussed on the systems@ list, if you're interested in the discussion. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-19 Thread Bernie Innocenti
a complex web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine. I run packaged software. Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I believe. Could you run jhbuild with a different uid, in a chroot environment, or even in a virtual machine? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http

[Sugar-devel] Testing streamlined sugar-jhbuild

2009-06-18 Thread Bernie Innocenti
, build, and report back: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar-jhbuild/repos/streamlined These instructions should be mostly still relevant: http://wiki-testing.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Jhbuild Patches welcome! -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem using sugar-update-control to update large (100+ MB) activity bundles

2009-06-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
faster than than we can add deltas to our XO bundle format. Or, we could reconsider our requirements and perform system-wide instalations perhaps with --noscripts (which the xo bundles don't support anyway). -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem using sugar-update-control to update large (100+ MB) activity bundles

2009-06-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
download!/a/td /tr /table -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem using sugar-update-control to update large (100+ MB) activity bundles

2009-06-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
download!/a/td /tr /table -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem using sugar-update-control to update large (100+ MB) activity bundles

2009-06-16 Thread Bernie Innocenti
download!/a/td /tr /table -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem using sugar-update-control to update large (100+ MB) activity bundles

2009-06-15 Thread Bernie Innocenti
mirroring. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Email announcements from activities.sugarlabs.org

2009-06-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
. Cool! -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/02/09 07:10, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 06/02/09 03:43, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 221 heads, 2 sectors/track, 9081 cylinders I don't know where fdisk, the Linux kernel, or whatever come up

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/04/09 20:51, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Equally weird. The only standard ones are 64 heads, 32 sectors and 255 heads, 63 sectors. Indeed, repartitioning the USB stick with 32 sectors and 255 heads fixed boot for a previously unbootable computer. 32x255? That's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-06-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/02/09 07:10, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Ok, I wiped mbr and made fdisk create a new one: Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 64 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders ^^ Equally weird. The only standard ones are 64 heads, 32

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-06-02 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/02/09 13:48, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 06/02/09 07:10, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Ok, I wiped mbr and made fdisk create a new one: Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 64 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders ^^ Equally weird

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-06-01 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 06/02/09 03:43, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Bernie Innocenti wrote: Disk /dev/sdb: 2055 MB, 2055208960 bytes 221 heads, 2 sectors/track, 9081 cylinders I don't know where fdisk, the Linux kernel, or whatever come up with these kinds of geometries. They're almost universally non-bootable. Ok

[Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-05-31 Thread Bernie Innocenti
: linux The same USB stick boots fine on any other computer I could find. Does it seem like a syslinux bug? And if turns out to be a known BIOS bug, is there a good workaround? -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] greater activities list by deleting activities list

2009-05-25 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 05/25/09 09:48, Brian Jordan wrote: Is anyone against retiring the activit...@lists.laptop.org list in favor of migration to sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org? +1. I think platform developers should be aware of the challenges of activity writers, and vice-versa. -- // Bernie Innocenti

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-25 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 05/25/09 11:19, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: The only thing I didn't like very much is memory usage: 21MB VIRT, 10MB RSS. But I suppose we can't do much about it. Ugh. That's a ton for a wm :-( Are there alternatives

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-25 Thread Bernie Innocenti
[cc += cwickert] On 05/25/09 12:10, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/25/09 11:19, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: The only thing I didn't like very much is memory usage: 21MB VIRT, 10MB RSS. But I suppose we can't do much about

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-25 Thread Bernie Innocenti
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 05/22/09 20:18, Sascha Silbe wrote: On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:45:04PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Support for Fedora 11 was missing in sysdeps. I pushed a patch adding it. Thanks! The way Fedora versioning works is starting to get annoying (I had to add Fedora 10.93 just two weeks

[Sugar-devel] Streamlined jhbuild

2009-05-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
-200905212052_sayamindu_metacity.iso -boot d -m 1024M I couldn't get this to boot, it hangs some time after the grub menu. But it might be because qemu is broken in Fedora 11. Anyway, good job! -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-23 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 05/23/09 19:16, Bernie Innocenti wrote: I couldn't get this to boot, it hangs some time after the grub menu. But it might be because qemu is broken in Fedora 11. Oh, wait! It was just damn slow because I wasn't using kvm (permissions issue). Now I could test it, and it looks good, modulo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Bernie Innocenti
adding it. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
the dependency check will fail if you don't have a DISPLAY set does not mean too much for Windows people like me (I did manage to google the answer so it was not a question). You're right. Please, update the wiki with more information for newbies. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: One week slip of Fedora 11 Release

2009-05-20 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On 05/20/09 10:33, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Shall we re-adjust our schedule accordingly? Sorry, my brain is broken. I parsed 11 as 12 and hit Send before actually reading the full announcement. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-20 Thread Bernie Innocenti
to fail tests silently and proceed anyway using no as a command name in make :-) If there's consensus on implementing one or more of these points, I can provide patches (or just go on and commit them). -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Re: Reviving Sugarbot

2009-05-20 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Anyone wants to take it over? Original Message Subject:Re: Reviving Sugarbot Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:58:40 -0400 From: Zach Riggle zachrig...@gmail.com To: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org CC: Titus Brown ti...@idyll.org Bernie I am extremely busy

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