Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas snapshot

2009-01-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/1/27 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: Any tips as to what to do with these 2 on an XO? The only thing I've done with .img and .crc before is copy-nand from firmware – is it possible to run them from a usb stick without wiping nand or effecting the existing nand install (so we can

Re: [Sugar-devel] 'Resume activity' is confusing for user

2009-02-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/2/15 Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com: I've been very enthusiastic about the OLPC as a way to bring technological assistance to people without reliable electricity or on-line servers or much disposable income or even roads. To me, the combination of rugged low-power (with current Joyride)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] consequences of re-registering with XS

2009-02-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/2/14 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: To avoid this situation in future (should we ever run into it again, fingers crossed we won't), we are considering a small modification to the paraguay OS build which makes

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Rainbow + Sugar?

2009-02-24 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi Michael, 2009/2/24 Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org: In my view, it's up to the SugarLabs folks to use Rainbow or to drop it. How realistic is it to make rainbow something generic that all environments and applications could use? In an ideal world, such a security system should be available

[Sugar-devel] 0.82 activity updates

2009-04-28 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, In Paraguay we'd like to roll out a new Browse release for sugar 0.82 including this fix: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8857 Could/should I do this officially through the appropriate Browse git branch? I think we already have a problem with overlapping version numbers between the releases for

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.82 activity updates

2009-04-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/4/28 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: With all that being said, the goal for Sugar Labs should be, 'How can Sugar Labs help you support your local deployment?' I'm perfectly capable of taking care of it locally. My question is not that complicated: can/should I share my work with the

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.82 activity updates

2009-04-30 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/4/29 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: If nobody else is interested, then you probably should use infrastructure local to .py. OK. If anyone else is interested, here is Browse-101 for 0.82 including the fix for http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8857

Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu

2009-05-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/5/4 nout...@paiwastoon.com.af: I basically don't want students to be able to erase any activities. After our first deployment here in Afghanistan, we had to reinstall a lot of laptops because students accidentally deleted most of their activities. We see this lots in Paraguay too. We

Re: [Sugar-devel] dumping datastore to another filesystem

2009-05-13 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/5/12 Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu: Is there a script that will dump all objects from the sugar datastore to another filesystem (FAT or ext2)? Dragging and dropping objects one at a time from the journal onto the USB icon is painfully slow. Some scripts we use in paraguay for full

[Sugar-devel] sugar on a website

2009-05-18 Thread Daniel Drake
The great team in paraguay have a new website, based on an interface you might recognise :) http://www.paraguayeduca.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Browse-101 for 0.82 and XS-0.6 interop

2009-05-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/5/21 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: IIRC, Simon's release also had a patch from Sayamindu. Not sure if that's in Daniel's version. In any case, both versions have tested a-ok with the XS :-) Is there anything new in Simon's 101 that has appeared on activities.sugarlabs.org or

Re: [Sugar-devel] disabling tap to click

2009-05-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/5/28 roshan karki ros...@olenepal.org: The problem with gsynaptics is I don't have any section with synaptic as identifier in xorg.conf Yes, the XO ships with the standard PS/2 driver, so the touchpad runs in the PS/2 emulation mode. This works but means you don't have control over the

[Sugar-devel] Sugar + OLPC mesh network selection logic

2009-06-10 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, I'm looking to implement network selection logic in sugar-0.84 using the NetworkManager D-Bus API to implement something similar to what was present in NetworkManager-0.6 for OLPC's mesh device. (the logic is now being moved out of NetworkManager into sugar) My work in progress is: NM-0.7

[Sugar-devel] Design review plea.. OLPC desktop switcher

2009-06-19 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi Eben/other interested victims, I've designed (it's usually bad news when I've designed things) some interfaces that allow for switching between Sugar and GNOME for the XO-1.5 builds. I'm looking for feedback on the design and any suggestions/contributions. By default, laptops boot straight

Re: [Sugar-devel] Design review plea.. OLPC desktop switcher

2009-06-19 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 17:04 +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: This looks great! What I don't like though, is the 'switch to sugar' functionality being available as a button. Wouldn't it be better to keep it as a GDM session option? Thanks for the feedback. We aren't shipping GDM or similar,

[Sugar-devel] datastore results inconsistency

2009-06-26 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi Tomeu, I found the issue with the journal showing a duplicated entry after hand-deleting a datastore entry. It's an issue in the datastore, in the same function: DataStore.find() After your patch, we now weed out the entries that don't exist on-disk, but we still return count items (which is

Re: [Sugar-devel] datastore results inconsistency

2009-06-29 Thread Daniel Drake
On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 12:57 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 18:57, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Hi Tomeu, I found the issue with the journal showing a duplicated entry after hand-deleting a datastore entry. Thanks for looking at this. As we discussed on IRC,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar + OLPC mesh network selection logic

2009-07-06 Thread Daniel Drake
-allowed signal on the main device, and influence when it can and cannot be used for automatic connections. Daniel From bf78fa416ecf96bf9e607d1dd7c8fec29652a821 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:42:55 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Allow devices to inhibit

Re: [Sugar-devel] poor man's mmap sliding window on Python 2.5.x

2009-07-08 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 15:23 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: Had some time to retest this on the plane, and I think it was mis-diagnosis. The original code I was testing is lost. In re-testing this I find that the problem is more nuanced, and I may have been wrong: looking at 'top', the kernel

[Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity. Even with all the expertise on-site they seem to have been advising the (incorrect) use of the Keep button here:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Daniel Drake
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] updating from aslo

2009-07-16 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 10:17 -0500, David Farning wrote: Attached is a very early prototype of a sugar updater which pulls from ASLO. It kind-of works on jhbuild;-/ To test, unzip and drop it into sugar-jhbuild/install/share/sugar/extensions/cpsection. run using

Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/28 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Regardless of what I said, I think your point of increased memory usage is a valid one and the community should voice its opinions on this trade off. My opinion: - Focusing resources on different technologies like this is a distraction - It's an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/28 Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org: The problems that 0.84 has in case of activity versions are: * it can't upgrade activities if they were pre-installed from  native packages; it makes process of upgrading activities  from .xo impossible In reality Sugar's message is confusing

[Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Daniel Drake
quoting Tomeu from another thread (with no bad feelings at all): Sugar Labs has currently no resources to focus on anything, it depends on volunteers doing whatever they want. I chose to spend my time to make easier for more people to bring their knowledge and experience to Sugar and the

Re: [Sugar-devel] will the one true browse please stand up?

2009-07-30 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/31 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Joshua N Pritikinjpriti...@pobox.com wrote: Can a person in-the-know assemble a browse-103 release with all the most recent bits? It looks like Simon has release browse 103 on activities.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] will the one true browse please stand up?

2009-07-31 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/7/31 Joshua N Pritikin jpriti...@pobox.com: That was not my experience. Where does the customization key code live in GIT? Here: http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/mstone/irfs-udebs/tree/src-olpc/init?h=unpack-bundles ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] safer customization key (was Re: will the one true browse please stand up?)

2009-08-01 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/1 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: What do you propose doing? Leaving packaging to the experts (the distributions) and focusing on being a good upstream -- only stepping into the packaging areas where the distro people are lacking. I think activities should be packaged by distros and we

Re: [Sugar-devel] About the need for .xo bundles (again) (was Re: safer customization key (was Re: will the one true browse please stand up?))

2009-08-02 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/1 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: They haven't solved the problems we want to solve and are probably not even interested in trying. I'm a bit suprised you are not aware of this, there was a whole session dedicated to this in the last FUDCon in boston. Anyone has a link to the minutes?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Local Collaboration with an ethernet bug 1113

2009-08-02 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/3 Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com: Please point me to the documentation a sysadmin would need to read to know how to set up local collaboration and how it works. Without a jabber server, it is designed to just work with no configuration. It uses multicast apple-style zeroconf

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: We could make it a GConf property if it's really needed, but as you already know, I think we should have all the UI use a default of 10 and solely use Xft.dpi to scale it up and down. We don't need to discuss this now again, though. I would like to

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Ok, what do you propose? A method to specify the font size (measured in points). This should be geared towards deployments, so it should be something that can be pre-set in global configuration, or customized through files that are not in conflict with

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: A method to specify the font size (measured in points). What font size would be that? That would be up to the deployments. For example, OLPC would choose 7. I guess we should, for improved accessibility. And would be convenient if the paddings,

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/4 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: I meant to ask to which UI elements this font size would apply to. All of them, the same way that the currently written 10 value does. That's all ok, but how do you see us moving from using Xft.dpi (that today can get us font sizes that look good on

[Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, In response to the thread I started recently about feedback from deployments, I've been thinking a lot about specific changes/features that would be a big help for deployments. And even though it only takes 10 minutes in a classroom to see some real potential areas for improvement, actually

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (was Re: [Bugs] #1042 UNSP: cannot install new activity version)

2009-08-10 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/10 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Hi, any opinions on this? I dislike the idea of having multiple versions installed at once. The argument I saw for this case was that different versions might have incompatibilities in their collaboration protocols, but I feel that we should instead

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (was Re: [Bugs] #1042 UNSP: cannot install new activity version)

2009-08-10 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/10 Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com: Learner-generated activity patches, perhaps?  Like, we're under a tree and here's my patched Terminal/Pippy/Speak that you may want to try but not commit to blowing-away your official version... Do we have the relevant

Re: [Sugar-devel] Candidate paper cut bugs for a new 8.2.x release?

2009-08-10 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: In the _completely hypothetical_ case that I had some time and chance to spin a 8.2.x release aimed at fixing the paper cuts[1] and low-risk bugs that hinder XO-1 deployability _today_ in the field - have *you* got any candidates? Tell me

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: I think it would help, to have a new icon for the ad-hoc network to distinguish them. Could be a badged wireless network one? Or is the mesh icon appropriate? Or something completely new? I think new icons would be best, to distinguish from the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: From the user POV they are the same I guess. A local network, that does not need any infrastructure. I disagree. The mesh connections are automatic, and the presence of them does not indicate the presence of another computer like an ad-hoc network

Re: [Sugar-devel] Candidate paper cut bugs for a new 8.2.x release?

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Paul Fox p...@laptop.org: one thing we've recently realized that would be very low risk would be to change the xset command in /usr/bin/olpc-session from xset 7/4 0 to either xset 7/6 0 or xset 7/4 1. What effect does this have? Daniel ___

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de: I wonder if the ad-hoc network will scale up to that number of users :/ Though I am not an expert in this area. Maybe Daniel has some more insights on this topic. Yes. Ad-hoc networks do not scale at all because they are range limited. They also

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: I am becoming very confused.  Why does Sugar place an ownership concept on an ad-hoc network? Just in principle. Have you tried it? Create a network and it will be called Ben's network I'd be relatively confident that I could find Ben on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Hmm... so if other people join that network, and then I leave, does the network not persist?  I haven't experimented with this yet. yes, it will persist ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com: Hmm... so if other people join that network, and then I leave, does the network not persist?  I haven't experimented with this yet. yes, it will persist Really? My understanding of the ad-hoc network is that it basically puts the user that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: H. Are you sure this is an accurate statement? I was under the impression that mesh forwarding support had been removed/disabled from OLPCs implementation a long time ago, since soon after the Mongolia deployment. Mesh was killing the wireless

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: #1157 HIGH: Show which jabber server to which you are connected

2009-08-12 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/12 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Any opinions? Every other deployer thinks this is a good idea? Yes. OLPC deployments have historically had this tool in the form of olpc-netstatus which is indeed very useful. Sugar should provide an equivalent. I wouldn't say it's important to expose

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: #1157 HIGH: Show which jabber server to which you are connected

2009-08-12 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: Are you the current maintainer of olpc-utils?  I used to be, but now I don't feel like I have enough spare cycles to work on it. I think so, but I don't have the time either. However I get the feeling that olpc-utils is already XO-specific, or very

[Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009-08-17 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: You mean that you cannot open that library bundle by clicking on its journal entry? Correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the methods that could be used by deployments to distribute materials this way in mass would result in a journal entry

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (was Re: [Bugs] #1042 UNSP: cannot install new activity version)

2009-08-17 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/11 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: What are the user interfaces like when dealing with multiple activities? Well, we have this already, it's called the Journal. Just download Activity bundles and they all live there (and have done as far back as I can recall)... If I click on a

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-17 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/7 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: But not all text is rendered with that default font size. Do you have examples? I was asking you about how we can get there, IOW which is the suggested technical plan. We have today a solution that allows scaling the size of the text in all of

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009-08-17 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/17 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: I don't see where we disagree any of us OK.. so what do you suggest as the next steps? File a ticket? Start a feature page? Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-18 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/18 Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu: I write my activities on the XO-1, *for* the XO. I hope there is no change of default font or font size for the XO series. If there *is* a change, my activity won't look right, nor, I suspect, would other activities with substantial text then we're in

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-18 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/18 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: How about icons and other widgets? Scrollbars are fairly thin for example... We don't have a solution there yet. but this is about fonts. feel free to open a new thread about other stuff :) daniel

[Sugar-devel] constantly logged out of trac

2009-08-18 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, dev.sugarlabs.org seems to log me out 60 seconds after logging in. Reproduced in firefox and epiphany, and also on windows by christoph. This makes it unusable because from Nepal it usually takes more than a minute to load a page on trac, so by the time you've tried to file a ticket or modify

Re: [Sugar-devel] moving Shutdown above Control Panel

2009-08-18 Thread Daniel Drake
Great, can someone file a ticket for this please? I can't as trac doesn't like me. Something like this; Summary: reorganise home menu description: As discussed on the mailing list: 1. Restart option should be removed - can't think of why this would be useful for our userbase 2. Shutdown should

Re: [Sugar-devel] moving Shutdown above Control Panel

2009-08-19 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/19 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org: Great, can someone file a ticket for this please? I can't as trac doesn't like me. Something like this; http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1206 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http

[Sugar-devel] Fix Sound activity

2009-08-19 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, All OLPC OS releases including 8.2.1 have an annoying issue, where activities can trash sound mixer settings. The result is that all Sugar activities lose the ability to play sound (they are muted) and sugar's volume control does not fix it. And unfortunately this becomes a very common issue

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-19 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/19 Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu: 1) With regard to the new user controls (bigger and smaller) in the Control Panel (or elsewhere): If I specify (in my script), e.g., set.property(gtk-font-name, 14) will bigger be an increment up from 14, or one up from whatever the default font size

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/18 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:17, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/8/7 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: But not all text is rendered with that default font size. Do you have examples? No, but I find it highly unlikely that all activities are

Re: [Sugar-devel] Ad-hoc network UI feedback

2009-08-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/22 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com: 1) Is it a bug that there are 2 'grey circles' showing the same Create new wireless network entry? It's acting as designed - showing the status of all the wireless devices it can find in the system. eth0 and msh0. Daniel

Re: [Sugar-devel] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6

2009-08-26 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/8/27 Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com: I had this issue with os5 (see ...-swap posts above in the   fedora-olpc-list). It is something not related to swap but is happening often enough. Usually after 1-3 attempts removing all peripherals (and overclocking :) recovers and boots

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] splitting large xol

2009-09-04 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/4 Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu: We have a offline dictionary that we'd like to ship as xol. Its tar.bz2 is at 63MB. Reading the instructions, it looks like the bundle will have to be split across two files. Why? 63mb should be fine in 1 bundle. Daniel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] splitting large xol

2009-09-05 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/4 Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu: The page says:    How big is your collection? If the size of your entire collection is between 5-20MB, you're all set. Otherwise, you'll need to make two bundles-- one bundle of 5-20MB for use on individual laptops, and a second bundle of unlimited (but

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com: Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an official answer on this. Soon. Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution? Isn't there a wider question first?

Re: [Sugar-devel] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com: Sebastian, I have a similar question.  What I want to know is, when I am finally able to upgrade my XO from .82 to something better, will I use SoaS to do it?  Or will I be able to do upgrades over the network as I have done in the past? You will

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com: Args! I notice that what I asked could have been misunderstood. I didn't mean to imply SoaS being only way of distributing Sugar. That's out of question and was never my intention. I apologize for any confusion if this feeling has been created.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com: Now it comes to what I think is important in a project. And that is - also - certainty and trust. Those are pretty important factors. For developers, as well as for users, to know where one stands. Personally i would just get on with it and let

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: That's true for SoaS, Sugar and for any other FOSS project, but I think it's a reasonable request to ask for some explicit commitment from the umbrella organization, just to not have to switch orgs every release. What kind of commitment do you have

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/16 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: I cannot speak for Sebastian nor the whole SoaS community, but something like making SoaS an official project in SLs could go a long way. This would mean saying that Sugar on a Stick is a project with this vision, this mission, this roadmap, this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 11, Issue 94

2009-09-17 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/17 Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com: So the real answer to your question is, how will the other kids upgrade and when will they be able to do it? In the majority of cases (i.e. large deployments) it will be done as a coordinated effort by the overseeing deployment team. The deployment team

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 11, Issue 94

2009-09-17 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/17 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org: One step in that direction might be to clearly communicate and try to gather momentum around a series of stable releases. One thought that might work is to set .84, .88, .94, and 1.0 as stable releases for down streams to unite around. That

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.84 for XO-1 (was Re: Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 11, Issue 94)

2009-09-18 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/18 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Great, thanks for the kind offer. I think the effort is already underway, leaded by Fedora's Steven M. Parrish: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 I also think that Martin Dengler is working on this as well, but I'm not sure how their work

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-19 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/19 Chris Ball c...@laptop.org:   Should Sugar Labs be a Linux distributor, rather than just an   upstream producing Sugar releases?   Should SL be neutral about distributions containing Sugar, and   refuse to endorse one over another?   Should 'Sugar on a Stick' be a phrase that SL

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-20 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/9/20 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: I can't volunteer to serve as a member of the volunteer panel, but I'd like to offer my viewpoint on this issue. I agree and I also feel that we have consensus on those 2 things (SL should promote SoaS, SL should treat distributors equally). The

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, 2009/9/22 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: This is incompatible with our (or at least my) goal of allowing users to throw packages around as atomic objects, without internet access and without having to understand anything beyond my friend has Sugar, so it will work.  It is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Quick notes from a lazy smoketest of os30

2009-10-05 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/5 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: Got my 1.5-B2 prototype in the mail last week. (Yay! Toys!) I used it a bit over the week (it is nice and fast), and then yesterday I had a bit of downtime, so I updated it to cjb's os30. Overall, lots of things work (wohoo!). Also, lots of

[Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-14 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, At OLE Nepal we have difficulties with updating activities because our main educational activity is so huge. Aayush Poudel implemented an incremental activity update which I have now merged with the standard software updater. When updating activities and content, the updater now only

Re: [Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-14 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/14 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Wonder how we could make it easier for other deployments to benefit from these changes. Do you have plans to push the changes to the sugar-update-control repo and spin new F9 rpms? No - my time is too tight and at least for Paraguay and Nepal it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-14 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/15 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: For the F9 series (8.2.1) my current plan is to work to polish the imagecreator scripts so that it is easier for deployents to  - prepare a custom image (mostly covered)  - base on an existing image (in place, even if the tar isn't

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/13 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: Hello, Michael just passed by the Acetarium and, since the dinner was late, we found the time to test and review his latest prototype^W patch. I'm loving how the menus suddenly are now snappy and responsive. I haven't tried it, and your mail

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/15 Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org: the menus also *disappear* quickly when the cursor leaves their boundary. In the field I actually have considered on various occasions doing the opposite. I've seen many children struggle to keep the mouse inside the menu while navigating to the item

Re: [Sugar-devel] incremental activity update

2009-10-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/15 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: Would be interesting to know more on concrete issues (that lead to the feeling part :-) ). I guess the turning point in my thinking was when I realised that I had to update the .contents file inside the image after making non-activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/15 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org: No, it doesn't.  Try it.  I think you'll like it. It is quite easy to run the cursor over the activity ring ... nothing appears until you stop for long enough.  But what does appear appears without a two second delay! OK then, that sounds a lot

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bug 422302] Re: Soas-2-beta: drop-down menu on XO icon incomplete

2009-10-16 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/10/13 Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu: I was mistaken about this. Both SoaS (yes, Strawberry) and the XO-1 act identically: downloaded activities register immediately; *copied* activities (from a USB stick) require a restart to register. I'm not seeing this on XO-1. I plug a USB disk in,

[Sugar-devel] is csound-python part of the Sugar Platform?

2009-11-03 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/Platform_Components doesn't make it clear. Is csound-python part of the Sugar platform? For old OLPC builds, olpcsound did include the csound python module, although this was unused by all of the standard OLPC-shipped activities. (TamTam uses csound

[Sugar-devel] pippy woes

2009-11-03 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, Latest pippy on activities.sugarlabs.org is v35, but the latest one in git is v34. Please could git be updated? activities.sugarlabs.org says that pippy v35 is only for Sugar v0.86 and newer, is that true? Does groupthink require this? pippy is currently broken because of:

[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-0.84.7

2009-11-11 Thread Daniel Drake
== Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar/sugar-0.84.7.tar.bz2 == News == * Upgrade activities that were installed from bundles #1176 * Fix .xoj support #1098 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-13 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 10:14 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Right now just using the json module in python 2.6 may be best as the parser is a C module (AFAIR). Is because of a bug in cjson why those files aren't being

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-13 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 10:53 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: After a few tries, I did find that the same problem was reported in Debian, a patch proposed, and upstream rejected it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=534709 As Tomeu mentions, Python 2.6 reduces the cjson/json

Re: [Sugar-devel] Rationale behind the JSON - CJSON switch in Sugar codebase?

2009-11-13 Thread Daniel Drake
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 11:50 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: For past stable releases, deployers are the ones who should know best. If you are talking about 0.82, then we should go back to use simplejson. If this is 0.84 on F11, then we can use what python 2.6 provides. 0.82 doesn't have this bug -

Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity

2009-11-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/11/15 Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com: Well it seems to be an unmaintained fake release of the original FoodForce2 game. I guess only the copyrights have been changed. In fact, I went through the their homepage and saw that this organization is into doing such things only, they copy

Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity

2009-11-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/11/15 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org: 2009/11/15 Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com: Well it seems to be an unmaintained fake release of the original FoodForce2 game. I guess only the copyrights have been changed. In fact, I went through the their homepage and saw that this organization

Re: [Sugar-devel] Discrepancy regarding an Activity

2009-11-15 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/11/15 Mohit Taneja mohitge...@gmail.com: But still there is a difference between contribution and a fork. To have a fork one needs to have some major prior contribution to the project. I disagree - open source promotes forking. It's fine to do so before having contributed to the project

[Sugar-devel] sugar branched for 0.86

2009-11-19 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, I have just created the 'sucrose-0.86' branch in the sugar git repository. Further 0.86 development will happen there, and 0.88 development will happen in master. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

[Sugar-devel] sugar master will depend on simplejson again

2009-11-19 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, We've found that sugar's recent switch to cjson has caused issues and cjson upstream doesn't seem receptive to fixing them. So the plan is to move back to simplejson on monday, like things were before. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

[Sugar-devel] Distance broken due to socket already existing

2009-11-20 Thread Daniel Drake
that you are several hundred meters apart, then it continues as usual (quickly returning back to realistic distance figures). From fdfbe2389df10013080e551acc71f5158c152345 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:03:43 + Subject: [PATCH] Remove socket

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #1447 NORM: Display a message when an activity fails to start

2009-11-21 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/11/21 Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com: Screencast:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSLhWEKchVE I agree that the new terminology is weird.  My original version said Blah failed to start. and the button said Close. That made a bit more sense to me since Stop implies that something *has*

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSM/CDMA Modems support (part II)

2009-11-25 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 09:36 -0500, Martin Abente wrote: Would a patch that extends the allowed connection types be accepted in the 0.84 branch (that will be shipped with F11) ? Depends on the patch, but in general one requirement I've been putting on patches for OLPCs 0.84 fork is that the

[Sugar-devel] some efforts that would be really useful for deployments

2009-11-25 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, After revisiting some of the changes I have made to the software while working on deployments I just wanted to post the list again as a refresher. I have not had enough time to do the appropriate master-level QA on these, or to get them running on the latest Sugar versions. I hope that some

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