you need not document anything. But it
would be sad if you do not target Sugar globally.
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Packaging Sucrose 0.84, 0.86 and 0.88 concurrently for Debian
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So please include fallbacks when using features available only in newer
backend libraries. Not to play nice with Debian, but to play nice with
slow movers.
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On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 04:01:55PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 15:53, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 03:11:05PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
2009/11/13 Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:12:11AM
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with a simple rebuild of same
packaging, but does not allow users at runtime to switch to a different
version for that Python module - and all dependent modules).
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:57:56PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:43:14PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Currently I package Sugar packages with the assumption that they
all work with Python 2.5 and newer
That's a good bet. IIRC we have assumed Python 2.5
), to allow package maintainers to optionally enable them during
build, both to help test upstream code and to ensure that nothing
distro-specific has broken your nicely pre-tested code.
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, and also - unrelated to Sugar - I need to make the phone stack on
the device actually work: currently a dialog pops up to unlock my SIM
card but I still cannot receive or initiate phone calls. :-P
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mailinglist now, and this
issue is probably better suited only at that list, so I will repost
there.
For the context of this thread it was only meant as a joke: I can run
Sugar on the gadget, but not yet use it as a phone. :-)
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issue dealt with: you feel cheated if not openly
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:06:08PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 13:28, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
Hi Tomeu (and others),
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 06:48:05PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
sorry for the late reply, this is a very good question.
I think we should
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:38:48PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 18:23, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:06:08PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
- start the dotted series from the last integer used: Browse-112.1,
Browse-112.2, etc (ugly
of Sugar?
I believe that newer Browse rely on features of the Python hulahop
library not available in older releases, without fallback :-(
Don't know if the same is the case with Chat.
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with conf/distro == debian and conf/debian/distro == sid.
Ahem, does this mean that you did not in fact use a Debian system but
some homecooked lookalike?
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of Sugar (the squeak-vm package needed by Etoys) is treated as
non-free in Debian but that is not due to licensing issues but rather
the oddity of source code being binary so currently unmaintainable by
the Debian security team.
So the short answr is yes! :-)
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, are you sure that your Mozilla web interface supports
resetting version numbers? Do the install mechanisms in Sugar itself?
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There is currently no decided release plan for Debian (other than the
classic when ready), so it is not possible to say what exact versions
of Sugar will be included.
Greetings from Taipei,
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On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:17:09AM -0500, David Farning wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 07:30:07PM -0500, David Farning wrote:
A couple of months ago your packaging systems was pretty new and
confusing. Yesterday I
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. That would be better, as then
GNewSense developers do not accidentally derive further away from Debian
(git-import-orig should then fail rather than break the chain).
Hope that makes sense, and pleases GNewSense and other potential peers.
Regards,
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On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 03:24:23AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 06:49:00PM -0500, David Farning wrote:
2. manually sync /debian from git.debian.org to git.gnewsense.org
3. do final work in git.gnewsense.org
Is Alioth such a cruel place to work together? Is it me
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:39:33AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 21:30, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:42:58PM -0400, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
* Install sugar-emulator.desktop application file #1139
Please do not ship autogenerated desktop
Hi all,
As subject says, Glucose (and some of Fructose) 0.84.0 and 0.85.7 is now
packaged for Debian!
More info at http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Debian .
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system, there is really only one sane solution: Keep the
activities backwards compatible!
Hope you will engage more than just fork off,
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On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:43:25AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 00:32, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
As subject says, Glucose (and some of Fructose) 0.84.0 and 0.85.7 is
now packaged for Debian!
More info at http://wiki.debian.org/Sugar and
http
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of Sugar which is considered the
better alternative to the dated .82 provided by OLPC?
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with e.g. other distributions - making Sugar
interesting to follow closely but SoaS too much sidetracking.
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files from various editors) not
installed by the package.
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 03:09:12PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 02:41:15PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Not sure, but it seems from src/sugar/activity/activityfactory.py
(approx. line 250) of recent sugar-toolkit that rainbow is used if
the path /etc/olpc-security
of ejabberd, erlang, have had major improvements
from major release 12 to 13, both in networking code, SMP and locking
(i.e. threading).
So even if using same version of ejabberd, it might make sense to check
which version of erlang it is compiled/linked against.
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 09:01:31AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
On 08/31/2009 02:57 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
I would assume that the any DOS filesystem will continouously
rewrite to the FAT blocks. Maybe the best choice would be ext4
with the journal disabled?
The increase of data
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 07:36:05AM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 07:25, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
makebootfat not only formats with disk geometry that *is* right, but
also use a handcrafted MBR which has a higher chance of *looking*
right by various BIOSes
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 09:32:48AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
On 08/30/2009 06:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Please read the following:
http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html#7
If you, after reading above, still feel that your questions are
relevant (hint: I don't
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:31:07AM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
On 08/30/2009 10:15 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
So if I have now triggered your interest in this technique, Peter,
then perhaps we will see interesting funky tricks in syslinux in the
future?
Well, this is really independent
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 03:21:18PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 07:36:05AM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 07:25, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
makebootfat not only formats with disk geometry that *is* right,
but also use a handcrafted MBR
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 09:26:41AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:40:38AM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
On 06/01/09 08:39, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
I need much more details; *all* Award BIOSes make in the past 10-12
years have version number 6.00PG.
Ouch, I no longer
) Promote as first class Activities those written in arch-
independent languages and depending only on stuff included in
Sucrose.
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Sugar that older system-installed Activities
disturb newer user-installed ones?
(or did I get it wrong that that was the actual issue here?)
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Worried if Debian-packages activities conflict with user-installed ones.
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it woul would always
be my goal when writing code).
So you find it acceptable for old code to contain binary blobs.
I am with you on that.
I worry about new Activities using binary blobs too, if not explicitly
and loudly discouraged by the Sugar project.
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promote as dirty hacks some alternatative,
unofficial releases that also contain some binary blobs to make the
activity work better on some specific system (i.e. a specific version of
SoaS for a specific hardware platform).
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devoting time on that - if being sponsored the hardware.
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code using
arch-independent runtime code, but accepting arch-dependent stuff is an
evergrowing hell - it is what distributions spend humongous man-hours
handling!
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 05:04:32PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
Purposes for 0install(or so) in comparing with native packages:
* one way to install deps in all environments
* non-root install
* requires reliable internet access at install time
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must always be available for a system to sanely claim to run Sugar.
I apologize for any confusion if I misunderstood the term.
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install.
In other words, I will try to keep this in the back of my head but for
now don't expect it to be a problem for Debian-packages Sugar
activities.
thanks for elaborating!
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 07:29:43PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:02:12PM -0400, Colin Applegate wrote:
I have successfully built my first Sugar 0.86 package!
Congratulations.
Do you plan to join the Debian team as Morgan suggested below?
Sorry - I was too fast
,
but Miro only need xulrunner.
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In particular, I am arguing that supporting Qt or Webkit would be a
terrible idea, and that neither should be permitted to be a dependency
of the Sugar platform. However, my argument is certainly more general.
Well written. Thanks!
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:34:28PM +0200, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote:
Hi, Jonas.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:24:30PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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Yeah - that bug was causing the segfault I wrote about in another
thread!
Martin Stone
appreciated!
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http://bugs.debian.org/522231
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:30:19AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:04:50AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:43, Jonas Smedegaardd...@jones.dk wrote:
So far I have almost only played with sugar-emulator
update.
It fails to start now without any python backtrace, will investigate
further.
Probably the hippo-canvas segfault. A tricky thing here is that the
message about segfaulting does not always show on commandline.
Try with an unstripped hppo-canvas!
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:30:19AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:04:50AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:43, Jonas Smedegaardd
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:23:46AM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:54:43AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
[Sugar 0.84 in squeeze]
Did you actually try it?
No, but I didn't try any other distro packages either.
My experiences
there is
currently newer than officially included in Debian unstable (and, I
believe, readily available for both mips and mipsel).
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I am not familiar with gnewsense, but this might be a too new Browse
that requires 0.84 Sugar.
If using 0.82 then please try using Debian Lenny.
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:44:28PM +0200, s.bouta...@free.fr wrote:
Selon Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk:
3/ Tried to install sugar-web-activity
The package conflicts with:
- python-hulahop (unsatisfied dependency)
- python-xpcom (unsatisfied
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:59:03PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:32:13PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Do you mean to say that GConf-DBus is currently used with
non-packaged Sugar, or just that it would be a cool idea
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Selon Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk:
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 02:44:28PM +0200, s.bouta...@free.fr wrote:
One dependency-resolution alternative proposed by aptitude
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Selon Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk:
[instructions on workaround for broken initial 0.84 login]
After this, a regular sugar-emulator should work.
done and ... BINGO!
I
html file
If you seek a reliable way to handle translation of html, then I warmly
recommend po4a:
http://po4a.alioth.debian.org/
I wrote the Markdown extension of the text parser of that tool ;-)
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 06:49:36PM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote:
On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 12:37 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
If you seek a reliable way to handle translation of html, then I
warmly recommend po4a:
http://po4a.alioth.debian.org/
I
could do a release if a packager really needs it.
What is the benefit of _not_ issuing a new release?
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STP cross-posting marketing info, please!
Great info, but not educational nor geeky, so irrelevant for those lists
IMHO.
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...and in addition to that last explicit note inside the email, also set
Reply-To: and/or Mail-Followup-To: headers in the email.
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direct interest to me - and perhaps you even want my opinion on.
Good luck with the ever more succesful Sugarlabs project!
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large pieces of unknown code.
If a lot of people allready runs exact same code, the risk of it
exploding in my face is smaller.
sugar-jhbuild is just the top of the iceberg: it pulls a lot of external
sources and invokes their commands.
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 04:48:39PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
On 06/18/09 20:02, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu,
please check out this repository, build, and report back:
As you
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If you're running a *recent* distro other than Fedora or Ubuntu,
please check out this repository, build, and report back:
As you
above. I do not, however, trust a complex
web-interacting script like jhbuild to run on my machine.
I run packaged software. Risky too, but cutting the wildest edges, I
believe.
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challenge yourself. There is plenty to do that is more Sugar-specific
than dealing with boot loaders, kernels and (oh my) security bugs
throughout thousands(!) of tiny little parts of what is contained in a
fullblown distribution.
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to encourage distribution
makers to use.
Sugarlabs makes Sugar. And defines terms for what they make.
Let each distribution define terms for their works.
That is freedom.
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googling a bit, but above was my power tool)
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a modified webkit
.so that reduces memory usage as much as possible.
Concrete, direct, Sugar-based competition. Supercool!
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://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html
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it that deeply, really).
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. It is 2 years
old, before the major Mozilla optimizations - see comment #4.
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great: We then get some optimizations lured out of in the open :-D
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: invading - potentially
taking over, accidentally or on purpose, the computers
Or did I misunderstand the kind of term you had in mind?
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(if jhbuild even supports that) - you should probably instead install
xulrunner-dev.
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Not a jhbuild user
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the
initial account), activities won't start - no debug log messages, no
nothing.
I'm going to be offline the weekend, but we can look at these issues
together next week.
That'd be awesome. Ping me when you are ready.
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appreciate the offer, and generally I like the
growth in teams attacking the Sugar code from different angles. That
really helps improve code quality for all of us. :-D
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On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 04:59:26PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 03:37:34PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Do you mean that this is the case only for sugar-jhbuild or also for
packaged sugar-xulrunner?
I don't know
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On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 06:11:11PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Sat, Jun 06, 2009 at 05:55:22PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
You wrote in ticket 137 that *hulahop* is broken in *Debian*:
Ah, sorry if that wasn't clear enough. I was talking
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guess this is only of
concern to packagers, not to regular users?
Yeah, I guess you are right. I just felt that more places than
Gitorious targeted packagers, but maybe not.
At least I got the message now. :-D
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On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 03:05:56PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 02:19:52PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
...and finally creating an account for myself at that Trac thingy.
Does it have an email interface
-compatible packages (why else the need for a
build service?).
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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