On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com wrote:
We can work together in supporting Arduino for Scratch and TurtleArt.
Emiliano has Arduino + TA working, I think. Needs to be reworked as a
plugin in the new TA plugins model (which seems excellent).
On the Uy/Ceibal
On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Rafael Ortiz raf...@activitycentral.com wrote:
Emiliano has Arduino + TA working, I think. Needs to be reworked as a
plugin in the new TA plugins model (which seems excellent).
Great, IIRC I think that also it's working only serially, i.e you
cannot download
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
* School Server Icon (Martin Abente)
It has a tower, and a bell. Cool!
m
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- ask interesting questions
- don't get distracted with shiny
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
the general approach - just a few small comments inline.
Thanks! There's a patch in reply, and a few comments from me here...
+ def remove_window_by_xid(self, xid):
+ Remove a window from the windows
From: Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org
Now activities have a stack of windows (Activity._windows). The
lowest still-valid window in the stack is considered the main window.
When a window is closed, the shell finds what activity had that window,
tells it to remove it from its stack
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote:
Couldn't we use the presence service (or its equivalent)? I've always
wanted to see a schoolserver icon in the mesh view... from which the
user could (re-)register, initiate a backup/restore, open a browser on
the
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Anish Mangal
an...@activitycentral.org wrote:
Currently, the 'network' icon on the frame tells us whether we're
connected to a network or not. Would it make sense for it to test for
internet connectivity and maybe reflect that by displaying a small
globe
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
NetworkManager already has sufficient functionality for reporting the
state of a network connection.
No it doesn't; if it did I'd use it :-)
If we know whether we can see the XS or the internet we can, for example
- run a
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:
So what network affordances [1, 2] are we supposed to make discoverable? :)
Let's not get too academic. Reading back the thread:
- can we reach the internet? (or it might be a controlled WAN)
- can we reach an XS?
In
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:
Let's not get too academic.
FYI, this remark stings rather more than I think you intended.
Apologies. It was short for too long and formal, let's communicate in
shorter messages, I don't need formal or logical proof of
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Anish Mangal
an...@activitycentral.org wrote:
Currently, the 'network' icon on the frame tells us whether we're
connected to a network or not. Would it make sense for it to test for
internet connectivity and maybe reflect that by displaying a small
globe
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:
The Sugar UI should make network health discoverable.
Good point in general. To what is trying to get solved, I'd word it as
Sugar UI should make network _affordances_ discoverable.
We can get a rough initial version with
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Samuel Greenfeld greenf...@laptop.org wrote:
For the schoolserver (and other jabber-based environments), wouldn't the
best check be to see if there is a working gabble connection and that we are
not on salut?
That only works _after_ you've registered. So no.
From: Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org
Now activities have a stack of windows (Activity._windows). The
lowest still-valid window in the stack is considered the main window.
When a window is closed, the shell finds what activity had that window,
tells it to remove it from its stack
From: Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de
badly behaved activities flip windows quickly, add log for
tracing them
---
src/jarabe/model/shell.py |7 +--
1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/src/jarabe/model/shell.py b/src/jarabe/model/shell.py
index
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Sascha Silbe si...@activitycentral.com wrote:
The behaviour sought by Aleksey's patch makes sense. I am surprised
that CWD isn't set to SUGAR_BUNDLE_PATH, maybe that needs to get fixed
instead.
Thanks for disproving my assumption that it's something Python 2.x
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 2:09 PM, martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
diff --git a/src/jarabe/model/shell.py b/src/jarabe/model/shell.py
index 661e370..bd7e367 100644
I'd like to recall this particular patch. Apologies, posted the wrong version.
cheers,
m
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Aleksey Lim
alsr...@activitycentral.org wrote:
The problem is, if I got it right, that cwd means nothing for searching
modules, only sys.path(and so) makes sense. After launching Python
interpreter, the $0 becomes sys.path[0]. But the problem is that
activities
Aleksey, Simon,
after tearing my hair off a bit with an app that jumps through various
windows during its lifetime, I came up with what seems to be a
reasonable strategy for handling the situation
In brief summary:
- change the Activity.window property to an stack.
- new windows are
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 3:54 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote:
libsugarize only works for well-behaved simple X11 programs. It relies on
certain functions being called that have been redirected to the library's
overrides. It's a preload-hack, not a proper library, so I'd expect
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed. At this point, we think the crash comes not so much from
libsugarize but from changing windows very quickly during startup.
Wrtiteup of my diagnosis and patches at http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10683
Note
If a newcomer to Sugar follows the instructions at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Running_Linux_Applications_Under_Sugar to
use Albert Calahan's libsugarize.so from a precompiled binary, lots of
funny things happen.
X.org crashes with BadWindow at apparently random times -- some of the
crashes can
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
Last year I experimented with sugarize and stored the files required in a
local repo:
Right. Could you please change your notes to recommend that people...
- download libsugarize.c and compile it on the
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote:
Any reason not to package both of these into an rpm and provide it in
the OLPC repos?
Missing: a maintainer who knows and understands that it does, a
maintainer that has time to do maintain it.
m
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Thomas C Gilliard
satel...@bendbroadband.com wrote:
I do not know where libsugarize.c is stored.
Just follow the link in my email.
m
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- don't get
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
The solution is to grab the src and recompile. That .so is likely old.
Actually, not so much of a solution. Still getting some crashes. May
be related to the program misbehaving.
grr.
m
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On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Sascha Silbe
sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote:
Otherwise it is possible to include, eg, system modules before local ones.
Which is how Python 2 usually works. Your patch would make us deviate
from upstream, making it harder to debug.
I've done
On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@activitycentral.org wrote:
On Sun, Feb 06, 2011 at 07:22:12PM -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
Not that would cause much of a slowdown, or that this would handle the
(hopefully unlikely) case where Python gains modules named identically
to
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
- There is an nxt_python package for F9, F11 and F14.
So, this nxt_python package already in Fedora was very old. There's an
updated package athttp://dev.laptop.org/~martin/nxt/ which
installs on F14 builds
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote:
On a dual-boot XO, does it make sense to use the same binary code for sugar
activities also in gnome applications? If so, are there guidelines or
example acti-plications?
The gnome side will most likely be installed
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote:
If my acti-plication has dependencies that are not part of the underlying
build, do I need to install them on the gnome side first?
It's not technically at the gnome side... you have to install them in
the system :-)
Hi Emiliano, Walter,
Looking at the situation with nxt_python on Fedora 11 and earlier OSs...
I think TB should detect availability of nxt_python (effectively
soft-depending n the rpm / deb), because:
- The nxt_python package will also install the /etc/udev/rules.d
file, one way or another,
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 12.01.2011, at 19:07, Gary Martin wrote:
So activity developers/maintainers should never ./setup genpot, or commit
and push a .pot file when first building an activity?
Gary -- correct. If github allowed hooks,
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
Why are conflicts only showing up now, and for only some of my
activities? Or had Sayamindu been cleaning things up behind the
scenes?
Well, they've been accumulating for a while, and nobody's noticed
until we
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 4:57 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:
In Make Your Own Sugar Activities! I specifically tell people to run
./setup.py genpot. If there's anything wrong in that chapter I'd like
to correct it. We need to fix the Spanish version too.
Good point. I'm not sure
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
This release of Dextrose 2 is intended for beta testing. Images for the
XO-1 and XO-1.5 can be downloaded here:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose
Congrats!
The major highlight in this release is a simple
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Emiliano Pastorino
epastor...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote:
Oh! I meant we hadn't had time to prepare the kits for the kids, just that.
Ok. Can you list/describe of what base kit you give the kids? Maybe
put it on a page on wiki.laptop.org?
I'd like to buy an arduino
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
Here is what I am thinking re TA extensions:
That'd work. But I am trying to think what the right user experience is.
Will they appear...
- the NXT/Arduino/other is plugged to USB (so the /dev/ node
exists?... what
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
That is up to whatever gets coded as the device detection algorithm.
My strategy is to move that decision out from tawindow.py where it
currently sits.
Perhaps, but in any case, it should be consistent across
= Managing conflicts =
/var/lib/pootle/checkouts has several conflicts that are preventing
synchronization in both directions. The main source of trouble is
maintainers committing changes in the po directory -- ignoring the
warning against it in the wiki.
We've added some diagnostics scripts
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Emiliano Pastorino
epastor...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote:
We're working on a project to introduce robotics to school and high-school
kids this year.
Excellent!
Sayamindu's clone at
http://git.sugarlabs.org/~sayaminfu/turtleart/arduino-support , but
Wow! I
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
I would recommend as a place to start simply adding a set of blocks to
control the motors and access the sensor data. And leave the programming
logic to the Sugar Activity.
Right - but I will need to write
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
raf...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Not enterely related but some of us were working on
an arduino TA conection (now only working serially),
the next step is to be able to program the arduino chip,
downloading bytecode generated from TA.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
raf...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
is there a standard-ish Arduino robot + sensots kit I can buy? I don't
...
No that i know, best shot for now is hacking or working with
handmade analogue and digital sensors, like the ones used for
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
raf...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Not enterely related but some of us were working on
an arduino TA conection (now only working serially),
That's cool! Very related!
Walter mentioned your in private email. From what I see, for both
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Mike Lee curious...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to also put in a plug for the LEGO's low-cost WeDo robotics
Oh, wishes wishes :-)
Both arduino and nxt are within reach because others have laid the
foundations. You can easily program them from Linux. Here, we're
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Mike Lee curious...@gmail.com wrote:
I can tell you that it works very well!
And tell us -- does it run under Linux/Sugar? Linux/Gnome?
m
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On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Mike Lee curious...@gmail.com wrote:
It is a Sugar activity (Linux/Sugar).
Niiice.
m
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Yes -- see the WikiBrowse / Wikipedia Activity page in wiki.l.o . The
process isn't perfect... and is not very well document it.
I didn't create (this process) but have been trying to improve it a
bit recently, so will be happy to help a bit along the way.
cheers,
m
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote:
In my video game, I am saving game state resources into a tar file, which is
then saved to the journal / datastore.
Hi Erik!
on the 10.1.3 release track we've made some improvements in this area
(which was rather
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote:
This is the monstrous gaping maw of doom, from my perspective. Just about
every Activity and much of the Sugar UI will break.
AIUI, from discussions with Simon and Tomeu that's not the case. Gnome
people are not
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think that is what people are saying. I think they are saying that
we need not resolve all of our potential GNOME 3.0 issues immediately as the
2.0 libraries will still be present. Is that not the case?
Yep.
Hi Walter, list,
[ disclaimer: this is a hobby project, likely to proceed at very slow
pace, given insane amounts of real work around XOs ;-) ]
I got a lego nxt 2.0 for xmas! Looking around for how to use it from
Linux, I found NXC (a variant on NQC -- 'not quite C' that compiles to
NXT
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
I had a similar conversation with the Arduino team in .uy last month. We
Interesting!
I would recommend as a place to start simply adding a set of blocks to
control the motors and access the sensor data. And leave
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
What particular bug was fixed? Is that something that we may want to
steal in Dextrose?
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9658
http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9657
it's a deal, it's a steal!
m
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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
- NBC/NXC is the most popular tool by all accounts, actively
RPM at http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/nbc/
- There is a python module for it, but it's for Python 2.4, looks
unmaintained, seems very limited
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:27 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
I think you've found an interesting problem, similar to #9544 or #9768,
but for USB ethernet instead of wireless.
Agreed. If you take a vanilla F11, and plug in your USB-Ethernet, does
this happen automagically? What do NM
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
I like both approaches, actually. The first, with the badges, closely
associates the notification with its context and the corner history
let's you get an overview.
I like the first approach, for the same reasons as
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
Note about the hidden files on windows: I looked a bit around, and there is
no way to set that attribute on Linux, AFAIK.
IIRC, Windows hides .files . In any case, there are Windows laptops
around here so I can run a
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Martin Abente
martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com wrote:
* Why the user should start an activity to know what is happening?
Why/when does the user want to know what's happening? Users are busy
doing something interesting...
We should interrupt/hassle the user never.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 1:10 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote:
This patch has a place in Dextrose. Dextrose is looking at the
question, How can we provide support staff the necessary information
to effectively fix and/or report problems to a higher level of service
and support?
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote:
Again, thanks for this summary. I think the thing to do is merge my
patch for #2080 and then address the other issues. I'll do that soon.
Hi Martin.
would it make sense to change (in toolkit) jarabe/view/icon.py
Hi Walter,
older builds had a nasty xulrunner patch, forcing dpi to 133, possibly
as a workaround to xulrunning ignoring configured DPIs.
I don't think that it's been carried forward -- I suspect xulrunner
now obeys configured DPIs better.
Given that configured DPI is the key element here, I
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, there is a clear need to organise a facility to
audit/edit the wikipedia snapshots we have and repack the archive
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Martin Dengler
mar...@martindengler.com wrote:
There is a better way: use cProfile and gprof2dot.py. You will get
graphs (and of course the raw data) like this:
http://www.martindengler.com/tmp/sl.o-2080/pulsingicon.py-stats-graph.png
Excellent graph.
But
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, there is a clear need to organise a facility to
audit/edit the wikipedia snapshots we have and repack the archive.
Some simple rough mods to server.py to allow local edits -- start
server.py
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Sascha Silbe
sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote:
If something's controversial it may not be on 'master' but there's no
reason to have it in the sugarlabs git repos where everyone looks for
src.
I suppose this should have read *not* to have it?
The
Hi Chris,
(while Mitch does his magic on 1.75... I distract you a bit...) -- I
am looking at reproducing the re-compile current es_PE Wikipedia
Bundle process.
Looking at the instructions in http://wiki.laptop.org/go/WikiBrowse,
it's not 100% clear. For a trivial example, if I have an updated
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sascha Silbe
sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote:
I certainly hope that each bundle released by Sugar Labs or associated
Sure. Not everything's perfect. Let's make sure we drag things back to
normality.
If something's controversial it may not be on
Hi list,
we are getting interesting news of not-quite-good content in Wikipedia
content included in the Wikipedia activities.
Unfortunately, there is a clear need to organise a facility to
audit/edit the wikipedia snapshots we have and repack the archive.
Do we have any easy way to do this? Is
See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10386 for details. The sugar-session
process in 10.1.2 grows slowly...
There's some form of leak somewhere. Maybe we are triggerin a real
python leak, maybe we have reference loops. How do we trace this?
m
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mar...@laptop.org --
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:
Tomeu wrote some instructions here:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Memory_leak_testing
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Memory/Leak_testing (mirror)
Great. thanks! Setup a test machine and keeping an eye on
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
Great. thanks! Setup a test machine and keeping an eye on it.
Even without waiting much, it's clear we're leaking objects referred
to the UI representation of the access points.
`iwlist scan ` spots 37 APs
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:47 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote:
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
Then I plan to ignore the customization when I compute the order.
So why is it there?
To allow identification. But what Gonzalo pointed out is
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 5:25 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
I agree with the proposal.
+1
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- ask interesting questions
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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Dipankar Patro dipan...@seeta.in wrote:
I am following this site for XS installation:
I thought you already had an XS. You have the right URLs but
installing an XS for this will be too much work. As Bernie suggested,
just install idmgr on a fedora box.
cheers,
Hi Dipankar,
the XS will use the serial number provided by Sugar as the
'username'. The nickname is used to set the GECOS information.
Background info -- what's the GECOS? It's where you normally wrte your
full name. So on my laptop, my username is 'martin', my GECOS is
Martin Langhoff.
$ grep
Great stuff! Congratulations to all involved!
m
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
Dear Packagers,
we are proud to let you know that the 0.90 Sucrose tarballs are
available. We are currently still working on the release notes [1] but
for those of
Hi Martín, team,
great -- your efforts are definitely worthwhile. Some questions below...
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Martin Abente
mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote:
* Only 21 Activities selected by our education team. These activities are
protected (can not be erased using the user
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Dipankar Patro dipan...@seeta.in wrote:
With reference to bug : http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2152
The diagnosis of the bug is incorrect. We never use the user-selected
'nickname' as a username in the XS. We do provide it as in the GECOS
info, and there may be
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Harpreet Sareen
author.blog...@gmail.com wrote:
I tried the instructions from the link -
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Ad_hoc_Networking
The XO 1.5 was connected itself to Mesh Network 1 and on hovering on the
Network Icon, te message pops saying
Harpreet,
you've got the build details backwards. 201 customised is XO-1.5,
and 802 is for XO-1.
cheers,
m
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 14:08, Harpreet Sareen author.blog...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
Here's the info about OS
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Teemu Leinonen teemu.leino...@aalto.fi wrote:
The issue is even more important when the project is claiming to
promote FLOSS culture, like in the case of Sugar. In my definition of
That is _not_ the primary goal of Sugar. Sugar aims for lots of goals,
first and
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Søren Hougesen
soren.houge...@gmail.com wrote:
For about a month ago, I asked as a curious outsider, if kids were actually
hacking sugar.
Two factors are important here:
- We all have very high and complex expectations for Sugar, so Sugar
itself is internally
Hi Esteban,
we had exactly the same question asked by Guadalupe :-) -- Wad posted
our answers / notes on de...@lists.laptop.org earlier today.
[ It has nothing to do with Dextrose, and everything to do with the
size of the image and the write speed of the SD card... ]
In that thread you'll find
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
I don't think this is a good enough heuristic.
Agreed -- that's a terrible heuristic. And happy/sad face is a
terrible UI. The computer is not happy or sad; it's _working_.
Honestly, there is a base problem
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Anish Mangal
anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote:
How about extending the meaning of 'system mood' to more than just the
memory and cpu usage metrics.
As I've mentioned in the other thread, this is not a good metaphor.
If you have a box, as long as things _fit_ in
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Note that those are registered users, there's only a dozen online.
Ah! Then no, the behaviour is 100% bogus.
I guess in that case you won't accumulate lots of registered users
either, so this behavior shouldn't matter in
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
With the script attached, some GetProperties queries take a few
seconds, others more than 25 seconds (the default dbus timeout). It
should be invoked like this: dbus-launch --exit-with-session python
gabble_test.py
Hmmm,
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Martin Abente
mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote:
for sugar. In the field you already know thats not the case. Also... even
when
the activities are being implemented in python through the Activity Class,
the
read and write methods needs to be implemented by the
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
I have a local XS 0.6 that is working fine but I'm finding that the XS
0.5.2 at jabber.sugarlabs.org is not returning some results for some
of the queries that I make.
There are very important bugfixes in the final
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Neil Graham l...@screamingduck.com wrote:
Perhaps what is needed is a KDE to olpc's gnome in order to lift the
game of both.
We do a ton of things in relationship with our 'community' (or perhaps
our different 'communities'). For example, we engage in this
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Christoph Derndorfer
christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote:
I know I'm repeating myself here but I find the attitude expressed in these
instructions and particularly point 3 troublesome and a continued source of
frustration for me as well as other people I've
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Neil Graham l...@screamingduck.com wrote:
And yet, Developers on this list [olpc-devel] have complained when
people have done that, because this is not the place for it. Of course,
there isn't any other place for it.
Don't take every complaint seriously ;-)
I
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:01 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
I tihnk I have been sloppy with my words, so let me clarify two things:
- killing processes should be done only to avoid OOM (because
currently the kernel kills the wrong thing most of the time).
Can't we just _close it
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Can't we just _close it nicely_?
When you are about to get into OOM?
Early on so we avoid OOM for most cases. Right now our OOM use cases
have nothing to do with misbehaved activities.
Once you're in about to get into
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
(Not sure what the
state of play is with seeding the OOM scores from userland).
http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer
The pid of the activity should have its oomadj bumped up a bit -- so
OOM knows to spare sugar-shell
Hi Tomeu,
in general, I think we are saying the same thing :-)
With one exception -- OOM happens because memory is allocated.
Sugar-shell cannot (and I say should not) try to arbitrage in there.
If we try to do it from sugar-shell, all we can do is poll. If we poll
infrequently, we won't catch
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
Well, we certainly should not poll, I started this thread because
recent kernels have a mechanism for getting notified when a certain
threshold of free memory is reached (see below).
...
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
El Sat, 07-08-2010 a las 18:14 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso escribió:
So we would have a periodic wakeup? The test would be the amount of
free memory plus buffers and caches?
A polled design is clearly inferior to a proper
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