[Sugar-devel] Adding support for new datastore to the XS...

2009-05-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
-- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com Date: Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [Server-devel] backup : problem opening /library/users//datastore-x/store To: Hamilton Chua hamilton.c...@gmail.com, XS Devel server-de...@lists.laptop.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adding support for new datastore to the XS...

2009-05-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:48:26PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: looking at the new DS as implemented in SoaS. To confirm, is this http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Datastore_Rewrite what

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] backup : problem opening /library/users/XXXX/datastore-xxxxx/store

2009-05-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep this on the list. Is that from a recent SoaS? The datastore storage format has changed then, and we need to add support to Moodle for it. More work! :-p Done - not tested much -- the zipfile you've

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] backup : problem opening /library/users/XXXX/datastore-xxxxx/store

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: (metadata is data). Snarky but true comment: if/when that's the case, put the data in the data part. For example, the new Browse does store valuable data (unlike before) and does put it in the data. So the entries for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adding support for new datastore to the XS...

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Is it clearer now? yes - thanks! And while we're at it - is 'preview' completely gone? Check out that page, preview is a metadata property like the others. So metadata stores binary files too? I thought it was meant to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] OpenID Authentication and the Browser

2009-05-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: People interested in $SUBJECT may enjoy http://almaer.com/blog/who-do-i-trust-with-my-identity-erm-how-about-me-openid-weaves-into-the-browser I haven't quite figured out what they're doing. Makes sense --

Re: [Sugar-devel] versus, not

2009-05-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Bill Kerr billk...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure what is meant by a big tent Personally, I am building tools so... ... when I look at minsky's theory of mind I see that he supports multiple models of thinking but also argues against models of thinking that he

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] backup : problem opening /library/users/XXXX/datastore-xxxxx/store

2009-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Hamilton Chua hamilton.c...@gmail.com wrote: Good news. I had a chance to test it today and it looks like the Moodle UI is picking up on the back ups now. I'll be doing a couple of tests over the course of the next few days. I'll be sure to let you know if we

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] I have booked a space for Sunday May 16th Sugar Labs meeting

2009-05-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: La Ruche 84 quai de Jemmapes 75010 Paris Tél.:+33 (0)1 48 03 92 00 http://www.la-ruche.net Hmmm. I am a bit lost. Where will the camp be? I thought OLPC-France or someone else there was offering rooms Sat/Sun and maybe even

[Sugar-devel] Bxl test session 2009-05-14

2009-05-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
We had a great gathering at home, with some great testers. Today, after several tries, we finally got all the ingredients (laptops, wifi, food, comfy location etc). Huge thanks to Giulia for a fantastic pasta for dinner. Here's a quick summary, and bug numbers: • Turtleart works well! (numpy

[Sugar-devel] Browse.xo performance resolution - Hulahop 200dpi vs Browse 134dpi

2009-05-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi OLPCistas, Sugaristas, Mihai (GSoC participant on the Moodle side of things) has been experimenting with Browse.xo and the performance of its canvas implementation. Out of the box, it is awfully slow (while other aspects of Browse are fairly optimised). He tells the story here, including

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo performance resolution - Hulahop 200dpi vs Browse 134dpi

2009-05-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: - I am intrigued, hulahop sources say it's hardcoded to 200dpi (and that jives with our screen) - why does it end up being 134? Should it be 200dpi? Would that hit the fast paths properly? (Mihai: does 200dpi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sharing to Groups

2009-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 2:19 AM, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira rodrigopad...@projetofedora.org wrote: Martin Langhoff, are you around ? Sure. I recommend searching the list archive for de...@lists.laptop.org and server-de...@l.l.o for an excellent discussion on 'narratives' a while ago

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sharing to Groups

2009-05-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:53 PM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Talking about moodle, we really should decide what to enable on the Not only stop scaring people, but provide content about Sugar + sample content for deployments, so there's a reason to use it. (How to complement the

[Sugar-devel] Sound levels and pulseaudio fallout

2009-05-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
(written as part of the brussels test session) One thing consistent across the machines we're testing with Soas is that many (most?) of them get very low sound levels. This is an issue with Fedora and Pulseaudio. The fedora devel list is aflame with discussion about this, and it appears that --

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Browse-101 for 0.82 and XS-0.6 interop

2009-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: The G1G1 set of activities (1) on wiki.laptop.org was updated to include Browse-102, I believe at the time the composite image was created for 8.2.1. This version does appear to work on 8.2.1 and has your auto-login

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Browse-101 for 0.82 and XS-0.6 interop

2009-05-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: My 102 is the Browse-101-for-8.2 that was announced 1-2 months ago, plus the fix for the ticket that I mentioned. So it should have all the other relevant patches and fixes, unless something was silently added since initial

Re: [Sugar-devel] Removing the 'Erase' options from activity righ click menu

2009-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Yeah, we made easy deleting activities, including Browse, because we thought we had made easy enough to update them. Yes. And also, because it's very easy to install new activities. People patching Sugar to remove 'erase'

Re: [Sugar-devel] Tracking upstream versions with sugar-jhbuild (was: Re: Simplifying sugar-jhbuild)

2009-05-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: That surprises me. At the beginning, we depended on several features that weren't yet released by the upstream projects. But as of today, most of it should be released (if not packaged). +1 I think that what people are

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: The only thing I didn't like very much is memory usage: 21MB VIRT, 10MB RSS.  But I suppose we can't do much about it. Ugh. That's a ton for a wm :-( Are there alternatives that fit better? m --

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Openbox, the window manager used by LXDE and other desktops, is only slightly cheaper: 7.5MB RSS. IMHO, not worth the pain of being out of the mainstream. matchbox, according to ps_mem.py is 2.5MiB (private) + 430.5

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Bug tracker housekeeping

2009-05-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Submitters: Please go through all the open bugs you have submitted. If BTW, if there's any guidance for the test team in Bxl on how to tag the bugs found against latest SoaS, we'll be happy to follow... This search

[Sugar-devel] How to get sugar config values without a console?

2009-05-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
I'm working on olpc-update-query, a script that runs without a tty (from NM hooks and cron) and needs to query Sugar configuration stuff. To make things more complicated, it runs as root :-/ It's a good thing that we have sugar-control-panel, but at least on 0.82 it doesn't work unless you're in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Gears in Browse

2009-05-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/5/28 Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com: For both Webified and Karma, Gears support in Browse is necessary (or at least preferred), but AFAIK there is currently no strategy to get it running. If I understand correctly, the 'HTML5' extensions push means that the core gecko gets

Re: [Sugar-devel] Gears in Browse

2009-05-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/5/28 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: 2009/5/28 Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com: Not really. HTML 5 only brings an SQLite database accessible from JavaScript. Gears has other features that aren't present in Gecko proper (yet): - LocalServer - a way to transparently

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to get sugar config values without a console?

2009-05-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 4:48 PM, p...@laptop.org wrote: if you're root, use the force: you are truly evil :-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first -

Re: [Sugar-devel] Gears in Browse

2009-05-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/5/29 Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com: I think they're just a bit slow. They would break existing Gears applications if they relied on the mozilla stuff without at least a wrapper. Maybe modern GG applications have such wrapper? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com

Re: [Sugar-devel] HTML Canvas performance in the Browse activity

2009-05-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Mihai Sucan mihai.su...@gmail.com wrote: - which version(s) of Sugar targets your project? I am not intimate with the development cycle and work-flow of the OLPC XO. I learned sufficiently to see it's Fedora Core-based, and that Sugar is becoming distro

Re: [Sugar-devel] What is the vision for software update?

2009-06-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: We are working on making software update (both activities and underlying OS) work for Sugar on a Stick and we aren't that clear on what the vision, spec and state of code is for software update on the XO. Right --

Re: [Sugar-devel] cool animation w/ all-javascript space invaders

2009-06-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/6/5 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu: Have you tried it on an XO? I just had this experience. Seems to me that we will not do animation with js ever... Well, I don't think the js in that game is optimised at all. Very jerky on my mid-range (non-XO) laptop. There's lots of nice tricks you can

Re: [Sugar-devel] OT: determining memory usage of short-lived processes

2009-06-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: I've examined memory usage of long running processes (i.e. daemons and applications) in the past, no problems. If in the past you've used top, there's a new and more accurate way of measuring memory usage.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Getting data about the upgrading older machines and SoaS responsiveness.

2009-06-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 7:24 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: When it come to older pcs, it really makes sense to try and use LTSP. We LTSP is an excellent path. Note that a happy LTSP adventure is conditional on a good network infra and a decent TS machine. Wireless won't do.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [sugar-devel]engineering the moodle-print communication

2009-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Vamsi Krishna Davulurivamsi.davul...@gmail.com wrote: I think i've been working on the wrong moodle, I've been working with the default moodle installation found at moodle.org. How do I get everything XS-Moodle specific? A quick google search points me  to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [sugar-devel]engineering the moodle-print communication

2009-06-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Dave Bauerdave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: This is the accurate install doc to install an XS with Moodle. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software This is a complete linux installation so you'll need a seperate machine you can install onto or a virtual

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, thus the conflict. Maybe we should check rainbow? IIRC, it'd be olpc-update. Those libs should be split off... m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote: (...) once done, you'd be able to pretty much drop the exact same olpc browser onto KHTML, webkit or xul. and, other than the c++ rtti-related bugs in KHTML, you'd get exactly the same functionality. Cool.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko were very similar. Lucian -- what Jonas and I are trying to say is: even if gecko is (was?) by less performant than

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Bobby Powersbobbypow...@gmail.com wrote: While not hand-tuned, I believe on the latest rawhide-xo images (and Fedora 11) you can download http://dev.laptop.org/~bobbyp/surf/Surf-106.xo for a WebKit based browsing experience.  The packages pywebkitgtk and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: It seems build engineers go to a a lot of effort to create multiple ginormous downloads in .img/.usb/.iso/.bootable.gz formats when they're 99% the same files laid out in different file system(s) with appropriate

Re: [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: I'm very pleased to announce the first early preview of a new generation of SoaS XO-1 images. Those consist not only of the latest and greatest Sugar bits, but also a F11 base system and a special OLPC kernel based on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: Reading the docs, I think that jidgo will allow the user to download (say) a .iso and a .img (NAND) file by downloading the files that are contained in them and then re-assembling the .iso and .img files? You might

Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem using sugar-update-control to update large (100+ MB) activity bundles

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: This means you'd have to change both the client-side (sugar-update-control, fairly simple) and the server side (in our case Mozilla Addons, fairly complex). The XS - which Bryan has - already has an rsync server using

Re: [Sugar-devel] picked up by Gizmodo off of TechRadar: Sugar On a Stick Turns Any Netbook Into Your Very Own OLPC

2009-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://gizmodo.com/5301939/sugar-on-a-stick-turns-any-netbook-into-your-very-own-olpc 100 views in the first few minutes... The marketing team @ SL is the stuff of legends. Congrats. (I am sure there are significant

Re: [Sugar-devel] FUDCon hackfest proposal: assessment

2009-06-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Greg DeKoenigsbergg...@redhat.com wrote: Is there any interest in figuring out how assessments might work in a Sugar activity API? Couple of bits of experience from Moodle-land - It is probably worth matching SCORM's API when looking at reporting back. There

Re: [Sugar-devel] Teacher admin panels on content we are sugarizing

2009-06-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: My understanding is that both GCompris and Teachermate have teacher admin functionality that let teachers view student progress etc. Is there a roadmap or plan for how we are going to bring that functionality

[Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
Using Browse.xo v101 on 8.2.x I cannot get Browse.xo to save a file with the name that I am requesting. Browse.xo seems to take the name I hint from the server (from the URL and using an 'content-disposition: attachment, filename=leases.sig' header). But it renames it as File leases.sig

[Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
I am trying to get leases.sig from the XS to the USB stick. On 8.2.x, Browse.xo saves the file as File leases.sig from http://... ... two possible ways to move next. Copy and rename 1 - Insert (fat-formatted) USB stick, once mounted copy the file to the USB stick. Check on Terminal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: What's your use case? Does leases.sig give you a hint? :-) The XS can now handle antitheft services. One of the things I added is the ability to generate a leases.sig with short-lived leases for all the (non-stolen)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM, John Gilmoreg...@toad.com wrote: Don't use Browse as if it was a real web browser.  Don't use the Journal as if it was a real file system. ... and don't use Sugar as a useful Desktop or UI...? I don't buy the argument. There are lots of things that rely on

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Dave Bauerdave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: What would the file manager be for? Who is downloading this file, A teacher. Probably less technical than the kids. how often and what do they need to do with it? It is easy enough to download it from the Terminal for a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Rename and copy From the department of useful tricks... If you want to preserve your users' ability to name a file you serve via HTTP, eschew proper mimetypes and say with me: Content-Type:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?

2009-06-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Actually I came along this myself the other day. I would propose to have the file name as the entry title and the 'downloaded from' description in the journal entry description field. +1! cheers, martin --

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse.xo -- preserving a downloaded filename?

2009-07-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: We need a file manager IMHO. Michael asks about this specific statement, as it is fairly broad. Let's keep it in the context of it is worth fixing bugs that mangle filenames so the Journal can indeed double up as a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal and filenames on USB disks - more leases.sig problems

2009-07-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 19:41, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a better way to do this? If you go through the archives, you will find that this was discussed some weeks ago, I think it was Tony

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoAS Testing with XS

2009-07-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Greg, good to hear from you again. That bug report is just a backtrace. No info on whether the Sugar client was actually using the Jabber server (via Gabble) or not. Or what action was taken, what results seen, or versions of things. Pretty hard to tell what's going on. Are you in touch with

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: We've been talking a lot about how datastore version 3 (?) should be structured.  I'd like to propose (purely to initiate discussion) that it be structured as follows: Slightly OT: Sascha mentioned a plan in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's where I'm at :-) There's plenty to do still, images are intended to help bounce ideas about, poke at the grey matter between

Re: [Sugar-devel] netbook as terminology

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Also noticed recently that NN reacted against the netbook terminology: http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2009/07/xo-is-not-netbook.html Negroponte: Kids in Ethiopia don't have the internet in a nearby cloud ... I like the phrase.

[Sugar-devel] poor man's mmap sliding window on Python 2.5.x

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
Still working on reading and validating Canonical JSON files that are larger than available memory. Along the way, found that Python 2.5.x doesn't support an offset to mmap(), which at first blush makes re-mapping with a sliding window problematic. Well, almost. If you mmap.close(), re-create the

Re: [Sugar-devel] poor man's mmap sliding window on Python 2.5.x

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:06 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Is this (a) a kernel bug, (b) Python layering extra caching over mmap, or (c) a misunderstanding of mmap on my part? money is b m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect

Re: [Sugar-devel] poor man's mmap sliding window on Python 2.5.x

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: huh.  I looked through python's mmap implementation [1] and there doesn't seem to be any caching or funny business going on. I wonder if it could be over-aggressive caching somewhere in jffs2, in an attempt to

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA XS Report

2009-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Anurag Goelagoe...@gmail.com wrote: We booted several computers with SoaS and changed the network settings from the default (jabber.sugarlabs.org) to the IP address on the XS. After doing this, the computers in the computer lab still would That is a workaround

Re: [Sugar-devel] poor man's mmap sliding window on Python 2.5.x

2009-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for looking into this. I'll post the (trivial, really) repro code I have later (I'm on a gruelling 35hr trip at the moment). Had some time to retest this on the plane, and I think it was mis-diagnosis. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas on XO-1 vs activation

2009-07-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Joshua N Pritikinjpriti...@pobox.com wrote: I am considering options 2 3. Both these options ultimately involve copy-nand. Am I going to lose activation my development key when I do this? In other words, do I need to prepare the XS activation server (or

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA XS Report

2009-07-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Dave Bauerdave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: OK, we can workaround this two ways, Use schoolserver as the jabber server name in the settings then 1) set the IP in /etc/hosts as a quick hack to make sure things work 2) set up the SoaS to use the built in DNS on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA collaboration Issues - keepalive theory

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: The other theory we are working on is that something is not set to long enough in keepalive The logs we saw earlier were clearly of a domain vs IP address mismatch. Did you try the fix that I've suggested

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA School Visit report for Tuesday July 14

2009-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: As Greg said we finally got collaboration working! The problem was that we had cloned the owner.key and owner.key.pub.  The fix was to delete those before cloning and on existing sticks delete them and restart.

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA School Visit report for Tuesday July 14

2009-07-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Greg Smithgregsmit...@gmail.com wrote: As I got there I noticed a kid had unplugged their USB before full shut down and they were frantically trying to plug it back in while errors scrolled on the screen. Still not sure if they lost data (will check tomorrow on

Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA School Visit report for Tuesday July 14

2009-07-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: To minimize this risk, for the first run of Sugar Labs branded sticks I had chosen an LED-equipped model, everybody including kids can figure out what to do / not do depending on light status. That's intuitive but... not quite

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: [IAEP] Sharing Images in the neighborhood - Buddy Tag

2009-07-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Hi Server people, I wanted to make sure the server people saw this Buddy Tagging proposal as it might be something that could be more easily accomplished with Moodle's help. Good point. I don't know Kartik

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: [IAEP] Sharing Images in the neighborhood - Buddy Tag

2009-07-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Can you extend on that? I think we need to extend telepathy-gabble a bit to add buddy tagging. Or are you referring to regular jabber groups? Regular jabber groups. Once you make a group of users (a course in Moodle

[Sugar-devel] Talking about Moodle use in the school

2009-07-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
Sorry for the crosspost. I am hoping to drag people's attention towards an interesting thread in the k-12 forum, about exemplary and interesting use of moodle in high school. It is of course different from our scenarios, but some patterns stand out, and I think they are worth our attention...

Re: [Sugar-devel] Object Bundles review and inclusion to 0.86/Feature_List request

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
Very quick (and possibly unfair) review: there are several manifest + metadata + files, all zipped up formats, some of them very popular in education. In other words, this fits IMS-CP to a T. Yes, we may want to initially support a subset of IMS-CP, or add some additional bits that are of use to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Reducing Stick Failures - Was Re: [Marketing] press release opportunity...

2009-07-31 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:34 AM, James Cameronqu...@laptop.org wrote: A general comment ... if any state is preserved by the children on the USB sticks, and there is no copy of the state kept elsewhere, and there is a possibility of power failure, premature removal, or other interruptions,

[Sugar-devel] ESSIDs and BSSIDs, NM and Sugar

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
and associate to that one. But we seem to fail at this. With our current stack we will always reassociate to the first BSSID we associated for that ESSID. See below for a bit of sleuthing... 2009/8/6 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org: 2009/8/7 Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org: Apparently, NM saves the BSSID

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS with SD cards irregularities

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote: Variables include: ... - what is the partition table as printed by fdisk -p /dev/sdX ? - for the main partition on the USB, where the SoaS is stored (a FAT variant?) what are the fs options? (we need the moral equivalent of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick

2009-08-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I'm confused, did you meant to say not break if _not_ running on SoaS? I've asked for a rework on the patch so that it works on the olpc os (w sugar 0.82) as well as on SoaS. The compat needs are easy so I rather have an if()

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Daniel., excellent post - skipping to the let's make it deployable part, I have to say I agree with all you say. - Some comments below On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Secondly, this just won't work for deployments in general. Deployments are really

Re: [Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: This email is especially for Miguel Salazar and the Chiapas deployment. The code for backup and restore of Sugar Sticks using the XS is awaiting code review, if you can please test it.

[Sugar-devel] Candidate paper cut bugs for a new 8.2.x release?

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
In the _completely hypothetical_ case that I had some time and chance to spin a 8.2.x release aimed at fixing the paper cuts[1] and low-risk bugs that hinder XO-1 deployability _today_ in the field - have *you* got any candidates? Tell me about them :-) I am specially hoping to round up bugs that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Moodle]About the has_capability() function

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Vamsi Krishna Davulurivdavul...@acm.org wrote: Hi Martin, I am sold with the blocks concept ;) Hey! That's excelletn news! Sorry about the long latency. Though: I have finally wrapped things with the XML-RPC stuff for assignment-clone (which is print)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Candidate paper cut bugs for a new 8.2.x release?

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Paul Foxp...@laptop.org wrote: if nothing else, a next release _must_ be built with a modular mouse driver... Hmmm. The 5th reply makes a beeline to must rebuild the kernel. Not quite a record, but pretty good performance I have to say ;-) I understand the

[Sugar-devel] How is the 'default' string in '.sugar/default' determined?

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
In the Sugar internals, how do you obtain the Sugar config storage directory? Moreover, what is the /correct/, recommended way to do it, one that will work on .82, .84 .86 from activities, Sugar Shell code... and cronjobs (that run under the same user, but different ENV, and not spawned by sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] Results of today's Jabber Testing

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: I worked with the RIT contingent and Dave Farning today to do some collaboration testing. We tested with 8 computers on a rarely used dev XS system hosted by Solution Grove. Interesting! Your report is a bit

Re: [Sugar-devel] Results of today's Jabber Testing

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I would also like to know if when things go wrong, you have any mentions of timeouts in the telepathy-gabble.log file. As a more general strategy, we could compare telepathy-gabble.log between the machines that work and

Re: [Sugar-devel] WatchMe-1, a VNC activity

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Announcing WatchMe-1, an activity that brings VNC to Sugar. Fantastic! Help needed: 5. More advanced functionality?  Remote screenshots? Sound? Unix sockets? XS reflectors? We are going to have to figure

Re: [Sugar-devel] Candidate paper cut bugs for a new 8.2.x release?

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
Generally agree that it is important... however. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard A. Smithrich...@laptop.org wrote: You have to QA the whole system regardless of what change you make so really it doesn't increase the QA that much anyway. No, and that is an explicit goal: keep the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Faster Multicast [was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity]

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: I don't know how to test this, but I think there's a chance it could be a big win.  Of course, in situations where the mDNS presence information itself is overloading the network, there's not much we can do.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar frozen when trying to register.. bug in idmgr?

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Raul Gutierrez Segalesr...@rieder.net.py wrote: Has anybody experienced Sugar (0.82) freezing when trying to register against the server? I was unable to register (although connectivity seemed fine) and when sniffing the network I saw: 172.18.0.1.8080

Re: [Sugar-devel] (Ab)using the Journal for stuff that the user didn't do, create, or access

2009-08-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't see where we disagree any of us, so maybe I'm explaining badly myself. Let me try again. I agree that the journal should be a journal, thus primarily about actions and events and not about static pieces of data or

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundling libraries, RPMs? (was Re: WatchMe-1, a VNC activity)

2009-08-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Peter Robinsonpbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: If someone does know how to do this sort of thing, a quick how-to writeup would be immensely useful! Please DON'T do this. There is absolutely NO guarantee that this will ... If you have something that has a

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: The approach I'm advocating here is that nobody is encouraged to mess with DPI (and Sugar does not touch this). Instead, Sugar ships a I agree with dsd that users should not be able to 'tweak' DPI, but I am also concerned that

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Feel free to suggest another option that can be implemented today. If there was any good option, Jim Gettys and the various X.org AMD people would have hit us with a cluebat by now I guess. I feel that my proposal is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/7/29 Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com: As previously mentioned by Bryan in his Automated Assessment is the Killer App blog post (http://karmaproject.wordpress.com/2009/07/06/assessment-is-the-killer-app/) student assessment is an important component of Karma. ... Now I

Re: [Sugar-devel] moving Shutdown above Control Panel

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Indeed, this menu is difficult for new users at lesat, who often have trouble moving the mouse cursor into the menu box itself (as it starts in the top left of it) and then maintaining the mouse inside the menu box while they

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fix Sound activity

2009-08-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: The OS images being deployed in Paraguay and Nepal already have this bug fixed, and it is also fixed in the F11-for-XO1 builds that will hopefully reach deployment readiness in the not too distant future. So this is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assessment in Karma

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/8/19 NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu:  - Automatic assessment is snake oil, Bryan is well intentioned but deeply wrong. See the earlier email at http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg05584.html Or you are wrong. I may well be wrong, but to explore that you will

[Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On olpc-sur we're seeing reports of my journal contents disappeared after reboot. (Thread starts at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004177.html ) This reminds me a lot of the issues we saw earlier in development of what became 8.2.x -- if for any reason Sugar doesn't like

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: How do you envision the UI of the tool that will recover the JEBs? We don't need many words there :-) all we need is - A listing of Journals available (by date - the numbers after 'datastore' are epoch seconds IIRC) - if

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:40 AM, James Cameronqu...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 06:56:17PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On olpc-sur we're seeing reports of my journal contents disappeared after reboot. (Thread starts at http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August

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