Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] an ardent proposal to bring *LOVE* back into Sugar Labs

2010-10-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
/Members/List carefully before the
 light goes out :)  And if a board meeting is needed to finalize any
 electoral learning learning consensus(es) emerging above, or
 similar/otherwise, please Walter/CJB schedule this very quickly before I go
 offline most of Sat Oct 30 to Sun Nov 14 to volunteer building
 http://blueTarpSchool.blogspot.com in Haiti.

 (5) I Love Haiti, but can't promise Sugar/OLPC/Realness/FabLab/Whatever
 Local Lab Port-au-Prince just yet on this trip -- but I *will* do what I can
 to convince my traveling companion (Tim Falconer,
 http://waveplace.com/news/blog ) rest you assured!!

 (6) Fall in Love again, it won't hurt I promise... it might even hopefully
 spur you to add your name here:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates
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Re: [Sugar-devel] scalability in the neighborhood view

2010-03-03 Thread Caroline Meeks
I like your thinking around this.

I do have one use case to think about, although probably not support yet.

The GPA resorts its students a few times a day, even within the same grade
level. There is one group of students for reading, another mix for math, and
then another, perhaps with students from different grades after school.  It
would be a nice feature to eventually have to let the teacher narrow down
the neighborhood based on a specific Moodle group, for a specific period of
time.  That is have students focus on only other students in their class
right now.

I don't think anyone is using Moodle and Sugar with this level of
sophistication yet, but I think its a feature teachers may want as they
become more powerful users.  Maybe just think about how this use case can be
supported in the future as part of any design decisions.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net
 wrote:
  based on a conversation in #sugar with Collabora's Rob and Sjoerd,
  would like to propose some changes to how we display contacts/buddies

 Good that you're thinking about this!

  - In the neighborhood view, display all users in our roster: user
  roster + shared roster. The user roster will be composed by the

 Agreed -- and I think that this is mostly the case already. I also
 think that (for users on the same server), user roster == friends. See
 below...

  contacts that we have added ourselves and, in the Salut case, the
  contacts accessible through Avahi. The shared roster will be assigned
  by the school administration (through Moodle?) and will typically
  correspond to our classroom or our grade. I think that Martin Langhoff
  has worked on the server side of this.
 
  - In the friends view, we display those contacts that we have
  friended, being this a local concept.

 Is this local concept not fed to the user roster on the server
 (for users known to this server)? IMHO, it should.

  - In the neighborhood view, we can conduct a search that will span all
  contacts in the server (not only those in our rosters). The search
  will be done via the regular underlying mechanism, not through Gadget.

 That would be fantastic, with the following notes:

  - If I find someone, do I have to make friend so that user sticks
 around?

  - Maybe the behaviour is nicer if it neighbourhood view also shows
 recently found without the need to friend them explicitly.

  - Right now, searches have a UI behaviour that isn't a good fit for
 this new feature -- you search amongst things already in your view.
 Finding new things will need designing a new UI behaviour.

 cheers,


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Fresh Sugar presetnations?

2010-02-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
I used this one on Monday:

http://prezi.com/kuuhqwmkxxtm/

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote:

 For an upcoming talk, I'd like to remix some of my old Sugar
 presentations and include new technical and introductory information
 about SoaS and Sugar's core components.

 Can anyone point me at existing presentations from which I could
 shamelessly rip graphics and good ideas?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: #841 UNSP: SoaS should support using a proxy server

2010-02-08 Thread Caroline Meeks
I am working with a school in NH where we can get Sugar to boot and run on
some of their machines but we can't get it to connect to the internet
because the school uses a proxy server.  I am going to a NH LUG meeting
tonight to try to recruit a local linux person to help support them.

Is this likely to be a pointer to how to fix their internet connection
problems?

Thanks,
Caroline

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote:

 This would make a nice feature for 0.90. We should use the same gconf
 settings as GNOME:

 http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-vfs/tree/schemas/system_http_proxy.schemas.in

 Regards,

 Tomeu

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 #841: SoaS should support using a proxy server

 --+-
Reporter:  jdsimmons  |  Owner:  tomeu
Type:  enhancement| Status:  new
Priority:  Unspecified by Maintainer  |  Milestone:
 Unspecified by Release Team
   Component:  sugar  |Version:  Unspecified
Severity:  Unspecified|   Keywords:  proxy server
 Distribution:  SoaS   |   Status_field:  Unconfirmed

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 Changes (by sdz):

  * owner:  sdz = tomeu
  * component:  SoaS = sugar


 Comment:

  Assigning this over to sugar, as I guess it could be handled as part of a
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Re: [Sugar-devel] seeking feedback on sketch of a new color selector

2010-01-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de
 wrote:
  Hi Walter,
 
  as far as I know there are no more design decisions to make for this
  Feature.

 I did raise a new question: should we eliminate the color selector
 altogether in the initialization screen. The more I think about it,
 the more I like the idea. I have found that having children choose
 colors at the beginning is disruptive (although they enjoy it). If
 colors were randomly assigned then that step could be eliminated. The
 Control Panel could be used (at a time determined by the teacher) to
 change the colors. Of course, we'd want to get more input from the
 field, but I think this simplifies things...


I agree.  Picking a color first thing when you are doing a demo is great,
because it shows off the individualization of the system. However, when you
are in a class situation it is distracting and since some kids are fast and
others very slow at this task it leads to spread in where people are right
away.  It might be better to have it as something of an easter egg.
Something they can explore.

My one concern is will we have rebellion? Kids who just can't stand having
pink and purple or just can't stand the fact that someone else has their
favorite colors.  That might be even more disruptive.


  Can you update the Feature page, especially the detailed description to
 the
  latest state? Do we have the shortcut and is it possible to have the
 random
  selection? If there are open questions we can clear them at the design
  meeting this Saturday [1].

 done.

  Detailed Description
 
  Buttons are added to either side of the XO icon currently used to
 randomly
  cycle through the valid-XO-color list. On the left is a button that
 cycles
  through the list in one direction. On the right is a button that cycles
  through the list in the other direction. Smaller XO icons to the left and
  right of the new buttons show a preview of the colors that will be
 selected
  if the button (or icon) is pressed. There is also a keyboard shortcut
  (Ctrl-Z) to undo the last change.
 
  Thanks,
Simon
 
  [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/0.88_Meeting
 

 I will try to join the Sat. discussion.

 regards.

 -walter

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[Sugar-devel] GCompris was Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2010-01-07

2010-01-12 Thread Caroline Meeks


 === In the community ===

 2. Bruno Coudoin announced the release of GCompris Version 9.0.
 Aleksey is already working on making sure that it is properly packaged
 for Sugar and available on http://activities.sugarlabs.org.


 Congrats to the GComris team!  I have found GCompris activities a valuable
addition to Sugar and look forward to the upgrade.

GCompris also has a groups model that allows some teacher administration:
http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual#Administering_GCompris

Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if anyone
is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers using
Sugar?

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GCompris was Re: Sugar Digest 2010-01-07

2010-01-12 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 19:24, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  === In the community ===
 
  2. Bruno Coudoin announced the release of GCompris Version 9.0.
  Aleksey is already working on making sure that it is properly packaged
  for Sugar and available on http://activities.sugarlabs.org.
 
 
  Congrats to the GComris team!  I have found GCompris activities a
 valuable
  addition to Sugar and look forward to the upgrade.
  GCompris also has a groups model that allows some teacher
  administration:
 http://gcompris.net/wiki/index.php/Manual#Administering_GCompris
  Did the upgrade touch this part of the project? Does anyone know if
 anyone
  is thinking about how to make this functionality available to teachers
 using
  Sugar?

 Didn't got many answers when I asked about similar functionality on
 the Teachermate. My guess is that Sugar is supposed to be deployable
 in some situations where the data sharing solutions in the Teachermate
 and GCompris don't work.


Having the teacher functionality potentially available where there is an XS
doesn't have to mean the activities won't work when there isn't one. I was
just checking to see the status.

My memory about Teachermate was there were people interested in working on
Teachermate teacher system but they wanted assurances that the Teachermate
activities were going to be released under a GPL or CC license and an idea
of how much content there was.  There were no answers on that.

Thanks,
Caroline





 Regards,

 Tomeu

  Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems

2010-01-11 Thread Caroline Meeks
I second what Jim says. I've had a lot of trouble booting from the boot
helper with Blueberry.

Bernie looked at this at the GPA and found a bug in Fedora related to video
drivers.  Bernie, was this bug reported? Can you help David see if he is
having the same problem we saw at GPA?

Thanks,
Caroline
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tomeu and David,

 I experienced exactly the same problem with the Blueberry Boot Helper
 CD that Dave has.  The message is exactly the same.  I reported it at
 bugs.sugarlabs.org.  I would be surprised if the problem was an
 incomplete download.

 I have had good success booting Blueberry directly from the USB, but
 only a couple of the computers I own can do it.

 I was able to boot Strawberry using its helper CD, and I can also boot
 the Fedora 12 Live CD with no problem.

 James Simmons

  Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:12:58 +0100
  From: Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org
  Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS 2 problems
  To: David Leeming da...@leeming-consulting.com
  Cc: Sugar on a Stick List s...@lists.sugarlabs.org,   Sugar-devel
 Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
  Message-ID:
 242851611001110112w63906d7rc8ca88b140919...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
  
  Hi David,
 
  the most practical way of making sure that your download isn't
  corrupted is to verify the checksum:
 
  http://techcityinc.com/2009/02/06/calculate-md5-and-sha1-on-windows/
 
  The SHA-1 checksum of the file should be the one in this file:
 
  http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/releases/SHA1SUM
 
  I think that LiveUSB Creator checks it for you.
 
  I'm cc'ing this email to the soas mailing list in case they can be of
 more help.
 
  Regards,
 
  Tomeu
 
  On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 06:21, David Leeming
  da...@leeming-consulting.com wrote:
  Hello,
 
 
 
  I am trying out SOAS for the first time, for a workshop related to an
 OLPC
  deployment.
 
 
 
  Unfortunately I can?t get it to run on either of two laptops on which I
  tested. I followed the instructions using LiveUSB Creator, with a
 previously
  downloaded copy of the SOAS-2-Bueberry iso. The flash drive was 2GB
  capacity, previously reformatted and I used 505MB of persistent storage.
 
 
 
  I am using Windows Vista and tested it on that and also a machine
 running
  W7. Both required the boot helper but started up OK with the start up
 screen
  with the circle of dots forming clockwise around the X. But before the
  circle of dots completes, it hangs and on pressing the ESC key I see the
  following:
 
 
 
  /sbin/dmsquash-live-root:166: grep not found
 
  dracut warning: machine in enforcing mode and cannot execute load_policy
 
  dracut warning: to disable selinux, add selinux=0 to the kernel command
 line
 
  dracut warning: not continuing
 
 
 
  I reproduced this behaviour with another flash drive, so I doubt that is
 the
  problem. As stated, same behaviour with two very different laptop
 computers
  (both ASUS, one an F3SC laptop, one a 1005HA netbook).
 
 
 
  Could it be an incomplete download? Using Windows Explorer (right
  click/properties) on the downloaded iso file it shows as 589 MB
 (617,611,264
  bytes). Can anyone verify that is OK? However, it succeeds with the
 LiveUSB
  Creator and does start up initially.
 
 
 
  That is not so easy for me to test as in the Solomons it can be an
 overnight
  job to download 600MB, and there are often outages.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Religious/Spiritual Text

2009-12-17 Thread Caroline Meeks
The XO in the Classroom  book by Sdenka Salas from Peru has an example of
the use of local religion to make education more relevant for the students.


http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Sdenka_Salas_-_The_XO_Laptop_in_the_Classroom#.C2.A9_THE_XO_LAPTOP_IN_THE_CLASSROOM

See activity 19: Documenting our communities main celebrations.

In this case it feels well framed as part of having children connect with
their community, culture and heritage.

Is there a way your work can be framed explicitly an example of how they can
connect with their own cultural heritage of both music and religion?

Caroline

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Art,

 Personally, I would find it appropriate and sufficient if you added a
 note about the religious content to the OurMusic and OurMusicMC
 activity descriptions at activities.sugarlabs.org.

 I was one of the ones who (privately) flagged your activities as a
 possible issue for SugarLabs, and I then advocated that we develop
 some kind of editorial standards for activity hosting on
 activities.sugarlabs.org.

 Like Edward says, we have activities which include religious or
 spiritual content and there is nothing wrong with that.  The
 imperative is that it be labeled appropriately and not forcibly or
 subversively distributed.

 Best,

 -Wade

 On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote:
  It has recently been suggested to me that the religious/spiritual text in
 my
  OurMusic and OurMusicMC activities may not be well received by some, and
  that the text may hinder chances for deployment and even potentially
 cause
  individuals (or Sugar Labs) trouble. Needless to say, I'd like to avoid
  these eventualities if at all possible. (For perspective on the relevence
 of
  this text to me, please see my list of Recent Compositions at
  www.arthunkins.com. These activities are the final manifestations of a
  long-term project.)
 
  The current text is:
 
  A Creation Story:
  On the sixth day I was created. God said I was very good.
  On the sixth day We were created - my friends and I. God said We were
 very
  good.
  On the sixth day my Family was created - my loved ones and I,
   together with all the other creatures. God said my Family was very good.
  God saw that everything He made was very good.
  He was so pleased He decided to take a holiday, and joined us in play.
 
  A possible alternative text (equivalent, and equally acceptable to me -
 but
  expressed in more universal language):
 
  One day long ago I was created. Spirit was delighted with me.
  One day long ago We were created - my friends and I. Spirit was delighted
  with us.
  One day long ago my Family was created - my loved ones and I,
   together with all the other creatures. Spirit was delighted with my
  family.
  Spirit, delighted with everything Spirit had made, decided to take a
 holiday
  and join us in play.
 
 
  I'd greatly appreciate *any and all* comments, especially from those with
  backgrounds and concerns different from mine. I'm eager to hear from as
 many
  of you as are willing to share your views and on-the-ground insights.
 
  TIA,
 
  Art Hunkins
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Micropolis-8

2009-11-13 Thread Caroline Meeks
I tried it on my VM and there is an issue on the display of the right panel.
 But there is not a Trac category for Miropolis and when I put it in another
category it was closed rather then moved.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Bobby Powers bobbypow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Great!  Anyone have further information on this?  I know there had
 been plans to update the UI to be more sugary, has there been any
 progress on that? (I'm not in front of a computer with sugar on it at
 the moment)

 Bobby

 On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Sugar Labs Activities
 activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  Activity Homepage:
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4230
 
  Sugar Platform:
  0.82 - 0.84
 
  Download Now:
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26355/micropolis-8.xo
 
  Release notes:
  Have Fun
 
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)

2009-11-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
This sounds great! I've been trying to get the zip files of books from CAST
to work. Will this patch fix it for me?  What is the easiest way for me to
try it? Is there a VM appliance?

Here is a link to the books I'm trying to get to work:
http://bookbuilder.cast.org/model.php

Thanks!
Caroline

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lucian Branescu
lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote:

 The second point in this ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/971
 I've made a patch against the latest Browse, but trac doesn't let me
 post it (apparently I'm a bot).

 Besides being able to save pages for offline use, this patch will also
 allow distribution of HTML content in .zip files that have an
 'index.html' inside. Browse will happily open such files (but they may
 need certain metadata).

 Patch attached.

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[Sugar-devel] Can I create an offline bookmark in Strawberry?

2009-11-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
As described in this ticket

http://mail.google.com/mail/#search/global+bookmarks/121f792d60553cff

I'd like to grab a webpage and have it available for offline use.  I'd also
like to share it with others.

Does this work in the Browse in Strawberry?

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)

2009-11-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
Sorry, I missed this email when I sent the other one.  A use case I'm
working on today is grabbing a video when I'm online, sharing it with
students for them to watch at home when I'm offline. Do I need this patch to
enable this use case also?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lucian Branescu
lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote:

 Forgot the first time, I've looked at a book from that link and it's a
 .zip file with some html inside, but there's no index.html file. There
 is a start.html file (which I assume is the entry point), but as it is
 right now, the user would have to click start.html after the .zip file
 is loaded. I could add 'start.html' to the list of entry points to
 look for if it's an important enough use case.


Yes please add support for start.html.  There a millions of books available
on the internet, but I think this is one of the few resources that provides
books that would be useful to a dyslectic second grader who reads below
grade level.  And Sugar is the only platform who believes that that user is
important use case for eBooks. ;)

Thank you!!



 2009/11/9 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com:
  This sounds great! I've been trying to get the zip files of books from
 CAST
  to work. Will this patch fix it for me?  What is the easiest way for me
 to
  try it? Is there a VM appliance?
  Here is a link to the books I'm trying to get to
  work: http://bookbuilder.cast.org/model.php
 
  Thanks!
  Caroline
 
  On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lucian Branescu 
 lucian.brane...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  The second point in this ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/971
  I've made a patch against the latest Browse, but trac doesn't let me
  post it (apparently I'm a bot).
 
  Besides being able to save pages for offline use, this patch will also
  allow distribution of HTML content in .zip files that have an
  'index.html' inside. Browse will happily open such files (but they may
  need certain metadata).
 
  Patch attached.
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Keep offline for Browse (offline bookmarks)

2009-11-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lucian Branescu
lucian.brane...@gmail.comwrote:

 This patch won't save video, at least not flash video. In fact, it
 does exactly what Firefox's 'save complete web page' functionality
 does.

 It may save video in html5 video tags for offline use, but I haven't
 tested that. If it works with Firefox, it should work with this as
 well.


It does seem to work in firefox.  For my use case we'll need to be able
share a page that some (the teacher) has saved.

Here is the scenario in a school in the US.

The school district blocks YouTube for example in schools.
But YouTube has many valuable clips.
The teacher goes to YouTube at home and pics an educational clip. (e.g.
Schoolhouse rock) and saves it.
The teacher shares/sends the browse/bookmark (terminology unclear to me)
Students can then watch the clip at home where they do not have any internet

Thanks!
Caroline


 2009/11/9 Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com:
  Sorry, I missed this email when I sent the other one.  A use case I'm
  working on today is grabbing a video when I'm online, sharing it with
  students for them to watch at home when I'm offline. Do I need this patch
 to
  enable this use case also?
 
  On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Lucian Branescu 
 lucian.brane...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Forgot the first time, I've looked at a book from that link and it's a
  .zip file with some html inside, but there's no index.html file. There
  is a start.html file (which I assume is the entry point), but as it is
  right now, the user would have to click start.html after the .zip file
  is loaded. I could add 'start.html' to the list of entry points to
  look for if it's an important enough use case.
 
  Yes please add support for start.html.  There a millions of books
 available
  on the internet, but I think this is one of the few resources that
 provides
  books that would be useful to a dyslectic second grader who reads below
  grade level.  And Sugar is the only platform who believes that that user
 is
  important use case for eBooks. ;)
  Thank you!!
 
 
  2009/11/9 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com:
   This sounds great! I've been trying to get the zip files of books from
   CAST
   to work. Will this patch fix it for me?  What is the easiest way for
 me
   to
   try it? Is there a VM appliance?
   Here is a link to the books I'm trying to get to
   work: http://bookbuilder.cast.org/model.php
  
   Thanks!
   Caroline
  
   On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Lucian Branescu
   lucian.brane...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   The second point in this ticket http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/971
   I've made a patch against the latest Browse, but trac doesn't let me
   post it (apparently I'm a bot).
  
   Besides being able to save pages for offline use, this patch will
 also
   allow distribution of HTML content in .zip files that have an
   'index.html' inside. Browse will happily open such files (but they
 may
   need certain metadata).
  
   Patch attached.
  
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] New activity: Arithmetic.

2009-10-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote:

 Hi Caroline,

Hi Chris, I had a crazy idea for Arithmetic yesterday.  Its a
wonderful game for the GPA. Its exactly the kind of practice the
students at GPA need. Its collaborative and other people are a
huge key to engagement.  But as you said it needs a little
something more to make it fun.

 This sounds like a good way to make it more fun, although I suppose
 it's making the game longer by making the players wait for someone to
 place a piece in the Physics world before getting a new question;
 another way would be to replace the numeric scores with icons that
 race towards a finish line as their owners score points, perhaps.


My thinking was that you have to use your time (is is 10 seconds per
question?) to both answer the question and do your physics move.  Maybe
physics moves accumulate for a minute or two but you never wait for a
physics move. This is a high pressure timed adreline rush game.  The goal is
to get students to know their facts so well that they can answer math
questions while thinking about the physics game not the math.  We want to
drill the recall so, for example, when they do algebra and such it takes
very few neurons firing to do the arithmetic so they can focus their
thinking on the algebra.

I also think perhaps this game would not get boring, because you are not
thinking about the math facts, you are thinking about what you want to
create with Physics and thats interesting even the hundreth time.  I feel
like a lot of the flash animation games are interesting for a while, but
once you;ve seen all the cool animations a few times its boring again.

I also would love to not see an emphasis on points or winners or losers.
 Better performance gives you more physics moves so there is incentive, but
its not directly competitive.



 Unfortunately, I don't have any talent for the UI stuff -- the hope
 was that by getting the collaboration part of the activity out there,
 someone with UI skills will adopt making a fun UI for it (and better
 scoring, and better question generation logic, etc).  :)


We need a way to store project ideas and allow developers and teachers to
collaborate around them.


 Thanks,

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: MIT Community Service Work-Study for the winter term

2009-10-26 Thread Caroline Meeks
Walter and I have put in general ads for this before and we haven't
attracted an MIT student. I figure if at first you don't succeed tweek it.
 So I'm wondering if we want a mini-winter of code project and put in a more
specific ad for a technical project.

Is there anyone who would want to mentor?

If its something GPA could use we can use GPA funds to pay the Sugar Labs
portion.  Here are two ideas that I know GPA would be interested in.

Literacy Tracking Support. Ms. Mason asked for a program that would help
with their literacy tracking. They time students reading and how many errors
they make. I think they would like something that makes it easier for
students to do this themselves and track it.

eBooks with Sound and pictures.  We are so close yet not really there in
terms of being useful to students who need things read to them.  Lots of
little issues seem to exist and things need testing, especially on the old
hardware.

The above is my current brainstorming results.  Are there other
projects/mentors?

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Date: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:29 PM
Subject: MIT Community Service Work-Study for the winter term
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Dear community partner,

Do you have any projects you never seem to have time to tackle?  (I know I
do!)

Consider hiring a MIT Community Service Work-Study student during winter
term (called IAP on campus), which runs from January 4th to 29th.  While
this is a short period of time, students are able to work up to 40 hours a
week anywhere around the country because they will not be taking regular
classes.  A long neglected project might be the perfect thing for a student
to complete during this month.  Or if you could use a short-term student for
a long term job you'd like to post, just let me know.

Community Service Work-Study allows nonprofits, schools, and government
agencies to hire student workers with a 75% discount on their wages through
the Federal work-study program.  I'll be holding an information session for
interested students on November 16, so please send me an email in the next
three weeks if you are interested in advertising a job or go ahead and post
by clicking here http://mit.edu/sfs/jobs/post_a_job.html!



Thank you,

Linden

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] New activity: Arithmetic.

2009-10-25 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi Chris,

I had a crazy idea for Arithmetic yesterday.

Its a wonderful game for the GPA. Its exactly the kind of practice the
students at GPA need. Its collaborative and other people are a huge key to
engagement.

But as you said it needs a little something more to make it fun.  This may
not be technically easy but here is my idea.

Combine it with Physics.  Everytime you get an answer right you earn a move
in Physics. You get to put down a block or make a new shape or grab.

Super cool would be collaborative where everyone is working in the same
world either trying to build something together or just knocking each other
stuff around.

Scoring: with this we no longer need explicit scoring. I think scoring can
be discouraging if you are always the worst one in your class or you just
have brain that is slow to retrieve math facts. However, I think your moves
should expire, so if you are fast you have an advantage, you have more time
to think about and make your physics moves.  I think the goal is to
encourage the students to speed up their retrieval, but still have it be fun
no matter where you are right now.

Doing well and playing fast gives you advantages that are fun, but doesn't
set up a strict, I win, you lose dynamic.

Is a shared physics world among all the contestants possible? It might be as
good or better for some personality types if everyone had their own world.
Especially if you could see a picture of the other people's worlds.

A feature request is to save at least a picture of the world you create to
the Journal so we can use it in a Portfolio.  I created this roller coaster
by knowing my multiplication facts on hard


On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote:

 Hi,

 Over the last few Sunday afternoons, Ben Schwartz, Michael Stone and I
 have been hacking on a new activity.  It's a collaborative arithmetic
 quiz, and extensively uses Ben's groupthink collaboration module.
 Here's a link to a bundle:

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/latest/4204/addon-4204-latest.xo
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4204

 The game tries to show all the participants the same questions at the
 same time, gives an ongoing scoreboard of how many questions each
 participant has answered correctly, and measures the amount of time it
 takes everyone to answer each question.  It also lets the group choose
 which of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division their game
 should use, and how hard the questions should be.

 We think it's pretty fun already, but it still needs plenty of work,
 and we'd love to have help with it.  Some obvious next steps are:

 * Artwork!  We haven't spent any time making it pretty.  If someone
  wants to go ahead and rip everything apart and put it back together
  in a way that actually looks attractive, that would be awesome.
 * Looks like I messed up the logo in Inkscape, and it doesn't have
  the correct stroke_color references.
 * It crashes when resumed, as opposed to launched with Start.
  Haven't looked into that yet.
 * Gettextification and translations.
 * An algorithm for scoring that depends on how quickly an answer is
  given.  (One idea could be that you get 9 points if you answer with
  9 seconds left, down to 1 point for answering with 1 second left.)
 * A natural end to each round, perhaps involving giving out medals
  (just as Typing Turtle does) for achievement to the participants.
 * There may still be cases where it shows entirely different questions
  to the participants, instead of everyone seeing the same ones, and
  we'd like to know about that so we can fix it.

 If anyone's in a position to get feedback from kids on whether playing
 this collaboratively is fun, and what might make it more fun, that'd
 be really good to hear.  We'd welcome everyone's changes to the
 activity; we can always back out a change if it needs to be discussed
 more, so don't be shy about pushing changes to a branch or asking for
 direct commit access.  (If there's some way to allow anyone with an SL
 gitorious account to commit directly, that would be an ideal setup.)

 The GIT tree contains groupthink referenced as a submodule, so to
 check it out:

 git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/arithmetic/mainline.gitArithmetic.activity
 cd Arithmetic.activity
 git submodule init
 git submodule update

 Thanks!

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Deducto and Color Deducto activities - creating your own game mechanism

2009-10-25 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Manusheel Gupta m...@laptop.org wrote:

 Caroline,

 Thank you. Appreciate your feedback.

 On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Caroline Meeks 
 carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote:

 Hi,

 This is cool thanks!



 Is there a way to lower the floor?


   I am sorry, but I didn't get this part. Could you please elaborate.


One of the Sugar sayings is Low Floor, No Ceiling that is its really
really easy to start, very little learning curve to climb, but you can still
do powerful things as you learn more and more.




 Is there a version of this game that a 6 year old could have easy success
 with that would help ramp it up?


 Wish if you could share your ideas on how we could work and improve on this
 area. Will having a hint feature in the game that pops up after a couple
 of tries, and after viewing 5-8 true boards and false boards makes things
 better?


Hmm, I'm not actually very good at designing games but I suggest taking a
look at the Sudoku game and Implode. Maybe start with a very small board and
totally obvious rules?  How can we teach someone who can't read the
instructions on how to play?





 Suzanne, the 4th grade teacher at the GPA, has the students play a Guess
 my rule game with shapes. For example, All right angles Only Triangles,
 Two sides the same.


 Very interesting. We will be working on developing lesson plans using
 Deducto and Color Deducto this winter. This use-case will be explored in
 detail before we implement this in the activities. Wish if you could provide
 us with lesson plans that teachers at GPA would like us to implement in
 these activities. Thank you very much for sharing these ideas.


Right now they play it with cut out shapes. One student makes a secret rule
(e.g. all right angles) and the other student selects shapes and is told if
they match the rule. They have to guess the rule.





 Do we have a place to put game ideas so programmers could pick them up if
 they want a project?


 Not at this juncture. We'll start this section within the next 2 days.


Great!

Thanks for all the good work!!!



 Regards,

 Manu






 On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Manusheel Gupta m...@laptop.org wrote:

 Dan,

 Ashita has been working on a user guide for create your own game
 mechanism for Deducto and Color Deducto activities. The guide is not yet
 complete and needs a flow chart, but should be good enough to walk you
 through this feature. Please find it attached along with this e-mail.

 On a separate note, this feature is open to development, and we will see
 more enhancements soon.

 Regards,

 Manu






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Re: [Sugar-devel] Deducto and Color Deducto activities - creating your own game mechanism

2009-10-24 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi,

This is cool thanks! Is there a way to lower the floor? Is there a version
of this game that a 6 year old could have easy success with that would help
ramp it up?

Suzanne, the 4th grade teacher at the GPA, has the students play a Guess my
rule game with shapes. For example, All right angles Only Triangles,
Two sides the same.  I think this is a separate game but I thought I'd
mention it as its somewhat similar.

Do we have a place to put game ideas so programmers could pick them up if
they want a project?

Thanks,
Caroline

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Manusheel Gupta m...@laptop.org wrote:

 Dan,

 Ashita has been working on a user guide for create your own game
 mechanism for Deducto and Color Deducto activities. The guide is not yet
 complete and needs a flow chart, but should be good enough to walk you
 through this feature. Please find it attached along with this e-mail.

 On a separate note, this feature is open to development, and we will see
 more enhancements soon.

 Regards,

 Manu






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Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-17 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.orgwrote:

 On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
 
   I'd like to put my designer hat on for a minute and offer an
 alternative
   to
   Bernie/Michael's patch and the current behavior:  Any time the mouse
   hovers
   over a part of the screen with a delayed action, that part must
   immediately
   highlight itself.  With the frame, that would be a 1px rectangle
 around
   the
   screen.  With icons, this could be a border rectangle.

  An even nicer option might be to expand highlight itself to hint at
 what
  it's going to do.
  For example, an icon with a delayed menu could highlight itself and
 display
  a little down arrow (similar to the arrows in the new toolbars).
  With feedback/mockups from the design team I'd be happy to attempt this
  patch.

 I agree with Wade here -- I think the problem is not the delayed menus
 themselves, but that kids are not *discovering* that right-click can
 eliminate the delay.  How are they supposed to discover that?  Perhaps
 some thought along those lines would help.

 I myself found that I often waited for the delayed menu, even though I
 knew about right-click, because it was easier.  That seems to be my
 choice and preference, not a priori a bad thing (even though an
 observer might think it a flaw).  I think that I did this less often
 when the delay was increased, but now we're relying on imperfect
 memory.


I agree. Even if I am right there and say right click and they have done
it before so I know its discovered, its hard for the child, and I'm
working with 4th graders, they are at the older end of our age range.  I
think its not natural/developmentally there skill for our users.

Right click is also hard on a macbook with only one mouse and I think its
also hard in various environments for disabilities.



 Of course, seeing a small child start to swear is a good indication
 that the user is frustrated and has not discovered any means to
 resolve their frustration.  (Even a complexity slider has to be
 discoverable!)
  --scott

 ps. I've found the discussion of ideas here much more interesting than
 the finger-pointing.  Attempts to shift responsibility (it's my patch,
 YOU have to prove that it's wrong -vs- it's my design, YOU have to
 prove that it's wrong) are productive/necessary to some degree, but a
 family matter you guys should take out back somewhere to hash out.  We
 all should (IMHO) be listening much more to Daniel Drake, who seems to
 have the most practical experience guiding his intuitions.  (Caroline,
 too, but I haven't her offer as specific an opinion on the issue.)

 pps. Perhaps this thread should have been started as a discussion of
 design (with working code to demonstrate), not as, here's a patch,
 now if you value contributors you should apply it.

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[Sugar-devel] UI thoughts from today's session at the GPA

2009-10-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
The Journal Icon in an activity should open the dialog box for feedback.
The Stop Icon should not.

Resume by default should happen if the activity is already open.
Start new should be the default if there is no instance of that activity
already open.  It was very confusing and distracting to have to clear out
previous work, from 2 weeks ago, out of turtle art before they started on
today's assignment.

In Turtle Art the Save a Snapshot icon should be the Eye cause it saves an
image right?  It looks too much like save to Journal right now.
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[Sugar-devel] Should we care about non readers and kids with motor skill issues? was - Re: RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Caroline Meeks

  Perhaps. What would you define as the ailment, yourself? The primary
  intent was to encourage use of a direct interaction model, in which
  palettes we're supposed to play a big role. When it turned out that
  young kids, who didn't read, and who didn't have motor skills for
  selecting form the palettes, we aimed to reduce accidental invocation
  of them without entirely eliminating discovery by increasing the
  delay.

 Many kids have motor skills, and the ones that don't initially are
 remarkably good (being kids) at developing motor skills that they don't yet
 have. Many kids also read. In fact, let's cut into some real deep philosophy
 stuff here...


True. But all kids matter. Including the nonreaders, the ones going to
schools that are not taught in their native language, the ones for whom
reading is a struggle, the dyslectics.

Also I really disagree about the developing motor skills.  I think
developing motor skills is a developmental thing that goes at different
paces. I see kids that can get the concepts of Sugar but who struggle with
clicking the blocks together in Turtle Art.  I think they are perfectly
normal kids who will eventually have perfectly adequate motor skills for
normal computing.  Providing them with a system that is as easy as possible
for them while those motor skills are developing should be one of our
missions.


 The idea that the XO laptop is mainly for kids who can't read is completely
 bogus. Now, maybe you're thinking of other children when you say this, but I
 prefer to first consider the main existing userbase. Laptops which have
 Sugar installed on them are primarily located in schools and are used for
 education. It is kind of ridiculous to say Well, you don't actually need to
 know how to read to use the laptops, so we should make the interface not
 require reading. when the truth is that, for most activities that have any
 educational merit, you DO need to read and you need to read things
 significantly more complicated than activity names. Most of the people who
 use Sugar for most of the time WILL know how to read.

 I disagree on this too. I think there a host of activities that nonreaders
could use in Sugar. Paint, Colors, Jingsaw, Flipsticks, Write (writing a
great way to learn to read), speak, many GCompris Games, Calculate, books
that are read to you, Browse if you share a favorited website.  In fact if
you share a started activity then you further expand the number of things a
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[Sugar-devel] Memorize 33 is buggy - what should I do?

2009-10-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
I doubt this is a SoaS only problem but I haven't tested it on an XO

Tickets - 1055, 1503

1503 is a total blocker for using Memorize and 1055 is going to give me hell
in the field trying to get kids not clear that inviting face.

Maybe revert a.sl.o to a previous version?

I'm going in to work on the Sticks tomorrow afternoon and I'm going to have
to boot and fuss with each one, which will be hours of work, so it would be
great to do as much as I can at once. If reverting seems like the right
choice it would be great if I could have it for tomorrow.

Thanks!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 03:40, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
 wrote:
  El Mon, 12-10-2009 a las 22:36 -0400, Bernie Innocenti escribió:
  Hello,
 
  Michael just passed by the Acetarium and, since the dinner was late, we
  found the time to test and review his latest prototype^W patch.
 
  I'm loving how the menus suddenly are now snappy and responsive. Please,
  test it yourself and report back. If we like this change, I think we
  should go on and also kill the code that this patch makes redundant.
  (please, let's not add another configurable knob!)
 
  BTW, Michael and I have a small disagreement on how a maintainer
  should react to the present patch. From a purely functional PoV, this
  patch is short, correct and low impact. Yeah, but... who's ever going to
  clean up after it if we do not demand the cleanup to be merged
  atomically with the patch that opens the need for it? Once the patch is
  in, the maintainer would no longer have a stick to brandish while saying
  now eat your veggies!.
 
  (Michael replies: This is a flawed position because it leads to absurd
  conclusions. More specifically, it actively discourages the current
  contributor from submitting more patches by denying the satisfaction of
  seeing their existing patch merged, delays the deferral of a correct and
  believable patch that introduces behavior you yourself describe as
  'desirable' and, last but not least, misses an opportunity to involve
  inexperienced contributors by providing appropriate on-ramp bugs like
  the proposed refactoring.)

 I'm more concerned about developers proposing big user experience
 changes because they feel it's better. Before I look at the patch I
 would like to know if there's agreement from people close to our users
 that this behavior change is desired. How can we get that?


People could take both versions to a group of kids and video how it goes.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote:

 El Wed, 14-10-2009 a las 12:15 -0400, Caroline Meeks escribió:

  People could take both versions to a group of kids and video how it
  goes.

 When are you going to be at the GPA? Next time I could come along, apply
 the patch before the kids start using the machines, and then we could
 interview them at the end of the day about their experience.

 Or -- if we were evil enough -- we could patch only half of the stations
 and see which group performs better ;-)


they all have their own sticks so that might not be quite so easy.  Also I
don't want to do it during classroom time.

We hope to start an afterschool session on  Sugar on Fridays in a couple of
weeks.  Want to help?

I think once we've done that for a few times we might be able to ask to
borrow some kids who have yet to use Sugar some afternoon when they are in
after-school. Give half of them one kind of stick and half another in the
GPA computer lab.

Realistically, I think it will be about a month before I could set that up,
just in terms of how many new requests I can give the school at once.

There is also a club at Harvard using XOs in a Boston after school program.
I'm not sure where they are in their process but they might be able to
provide a test bed on XOs.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Conozco Uruguay-7

2009-10-13 Thread Caroline Meeks
I just got a 404 error when I tried to download this onto a Sugar VM from
a.sl.o

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Sugar Labs Activities 
activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Activity Homepage:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4199

 Sugar Platform:
 from 0.82 to 0.86

 Download Now:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/version/29277

 Release notes:


 Reviewer comments:
 This request has been approved.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Sugar theme for Activity Library

2009-10-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
Nice!
Here is a layout issue on Safari on a mac:
http://screencast.com/t/Fyu8zoqjzfyu

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 Josh Williams finished new Sugar theme for Activity Library(ASLO),
 please test it from [1]. Thanks Josh, it looks awesome.

 In several days ASLO code base will be rebased to last AMO, (it
 should give us new AMO features like tagging and new developers UI)
 and new theme will appear on the main site.

 [1] http://activities-devel.sugarlabs.org/

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Where should we put our mixture of bugs, feature requests and misunderstandings as we develop curriculum

2009-10-02 Thread Caroline Meeks



 Also, as a developer I would need to see a list of the features and
 bugs most requested by deployments, and which deployments need them.
 It will be also useful when asking for help and recruiting more
 volunteers.


Yes, exactly.  We need a way for individuals to contribute individually to
this.  We need a system that is tolerant of bad reports, supports
peer-to-peer problem solving, and creates a pattern of data and feedback
that can be fed back upstream.

I'm just not sure how to create this yet, if you have ideas on
implementation please let me know.  I am leaning towards Launchpad and I
also will talk to Adam Holt about his experiences and how we can work with
the support gang.



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[Sugar-devel] Where should we put our mixture of bugs, feature requests and misunderstandings as we develop curriculum

2009-09-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
As I work with educators to create and write up curriculum we will discover
problems.  They will be a mixture of Sugar, Activities, SoaS and confusion.
There are a bunch of ways we could deal with it.

1. Everything goes into Launchpad soas answers and we sort it out from
there.
2. Everything is first posted to IAEP, discussed and sorted out and then put
into Dev, Launchpad soas or into a wiki page somewhere or just lost in the
mailing list archives
3. Everyone tells me everything and I try to decide where to put it which
has obvious problems
4. Everything is put into Trac

For example todays issues


   - Record is not recording audio - probably hardware SoaS issue.
   - Colors journal entries are not showing up as an image so I can't import
   it into another program like Cartoon Builder.
   - Cartoon builder is cool, I want to make my own characters but it seems
   really hard in Sugar to draw a bit, save, draw a bit more, save under a new
   name, how can I do that more easily.
   - I'd like to save a figure out of FlipSticks and put him into cartoon
   builder. Is there a way to save a flipstick image?

How do we capture and track the issues, especially since we know we don't
have the resources to solve them all immediately.

Thanks,
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[Sugar-devel] High School Programmer Volunteer?

2009-09-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
I have a volunteer high school student who needs to do community service for
school. He's done a bit of python and would like to help us with a remote
programming type task.
Does anyone want to mentor?  This might be a nice thing for a slightly more
experienced person also new to the project or an activity maintainer who is
feeling short on time but might have time to guide and check someone's
work?

I don't know the students' skill level, perhaps if there is a mentor we
could set up a trial period so if he is not up to the right level there is a
way out of the relationship.

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks

2009-09-29 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thanks Martin,
Does that give us any hint about whats happening? How is that PRAM/PROM
normally set?  Maybe we need to go change the default somewhere?

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Caroline Meeks
 carol...@solutiongrove.com wrote:
  Problems seem to be a good bet! What the golly gosh jimminy crippers is
  going on?!? Why does it work once and not again? What is linux doing that
 is
  keeping MacOSX from booting even after all the linux medium is removed?

 The macs have a funny BIOS that has a persistent memory. So it will
 remember where you booted from, and a few other things. If this BIOS
 gets confused and stores its confusion in persistent mem, you get
 exactly what you are seeing.

 Removing the batteries resets this memory.

 In Mac parlance, resetting this memory is known as resetting the
 PRAM (or maybe PROM). There is a key combination -- different between
 mac models -- that does this. Add the exact model of your mac to the
 search below...

   http://www.google.be/search?q=resetting+pram+mac

 this is a good example

  http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Ubuntu compatibility test stick

2009-09-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
ok lets try to get Skype working tonight.
thanks

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, if the task is simple and clear enough, motivated teachers and
 parents will try to do that I think.

 And even slightly geeky people will be able to do it no problem...

 Sean


 On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Sascha Silbe
 sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote:
  [Dropped out soas@ because I don't think I can post there]
 
  On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:57:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
 
  And of course, with no network, no phoning
 
  That's an advantage of Canonical using a USB stick to do it: You can just
  store it on the stick and retrieve all logs after the show. For
  decentralized testing an upload form explaining how to locate the USB
  stick (mount point / drive letter) and the file on it (file name) might
 do
  the trick.
 
  CU Sascha
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks

2009-09-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi,
I'm trying to understand this.

Is it possible to use the booting method Bill found, where we boot one
kernal in Virtual Box, then that Linux mounts the USB and then it boots the
Sugar kernal on the stick?


On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote:

 Hi Dave,

 On 24 Sep 2009, at 01:55, Dave Bauer wrote:

  Last I checked virtualbox could not boot from USB on a Mac. This may
  have changed in a more recent version.

 Yep correct, that is still the case**. But, we were not talking about
 booting USB. Just mounting it and using the data-store from there,
 tweaking a VM for deployment 'should' be small change. This of course
 runs into all the 'what version of Sugar is installed in the VM' vs.
 'what version of data-store is installed on the stick' but for a small
 deployment with control over both, and with specific HW needs, I don't
 see this as an issue.

 Additionally, if some data-store validation checks could be put in
 place I could even see this being a very positive feature for Soas and/
 or upstream Sugar; an ideal little solvable issue for the two to
 resolve in a way that would benefit any deployments with old or not
 currently compatible hardware (where either the OS or a VM has to be
 run from the physical machine).

 ** unless you put the whole damn vdi on the stick and forgo the idea
 of booting the stick independently as a normal OS, though there could
 be room to investigate booting of a small partition with a reliable
 host OS that did nothing but dive right into the VM for those cases.
 Seems doable, but scary. Would much rather spend effort in finding a
 way to boot a USB directly – likely requires providing a Mac only
 image, though they can quite happily boot from USB, they just require
 correct boot formats (EFI for Intel Macs) but current Linux's seems
 well behind that curve. Most other HW manufacturers are still on old
 BIOS set-ups, Macs can support this for booting, Boot Camp does just
 this, but not for booting from USB devices unfortunately.

 Regards,
 --Gary

  Dave
 
 
  On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Gary C Martin
  g...@garycmartin.com wrote:
  Hi Bill,
 
  On 24 Sep 2009, at 00:17, Bill Bogstad wrote:
 
   On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Gary C Martin
   g...@garycmartin.com wrote:
  
   Sure, you could just link the ~/default/datastore directory on
  the VM
   to the matching location on the stick. I'm not sure how the pretty
   way
   to do this would be (likely at this moment in time would be just
   tweaking the VMs to assume the stick was there). Pop stick in, then
   run the VM would be the workflow once set-up. From a future stand
   point, you'd likely want to push upstream for a feature where Sugar
   checked for valid (and correct version) data-stores on start-up
   (perhaps with a UI if more than one valid data-store was found), so
   any external media device, or perhaps even mounted network volume
   could become the default data-store for that session.
  
   Could you clarify what you are suggesting?   Most VMs (including
   VirtualBox) typically use large files within the host  environment
  to
   provide the contents of virtual disks to the OS running under
   virtualization. By default VirtualBox uses a format that dynamically
   allocates in the real filesystem as the guest OS actually writes to
   the virtual disk.   I don't think this file is going to be directly
   compatible with any file (or filesystem image) that SoaS is
  storing on
   a USB stick.  If you were thinking of something else, please let me
   know.
 
  Yes, I routinely use the Shared Folders feature for VirtualBox on
  the Mac :-) Every thing Sugar flavour I work on resides there for easy
  access between different VMs. VirtualBox treats this as a device
  (after installing guest additions) so after a reboot I run:
 
 sudo mount -o uid=500 -t vboxsf name_you_give_share
  name_of_intended_mount_point
 
  ...which should should do the trick.
 
  Also be aware that you need to tell VirtualBox it's allowed to use
  USB, I think it defaults to allow, but you can also filter for named
  devices if that makes more sense in a deployment. I would also want to
  sanity check the shut down process to make sure we didn't bork users
  sticks at the end of a session.
 
  Ping if you'd like to work this through, should be easy enough for me
  to set up a test cycle here if you think this is valuable.
 
  Regards,
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[Sugar-devel] Adventures with GPA Macbooks

2009-09-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
We worked with the 4th graders in the computer lab today.
The computer lab is not working well for us this year.  Its booked solid so
its hard to get time.  More computers are broken so there will not always
be enough for everyone to have one. Internet is mysteriously broken on
Sugar.  The Computer teacher was not happy that the machines needed to get
rebooted to Windows when the next class came in.  We can't use the projector
we used this summer and its hard to get to the screen which is stored in the
now always busy auditorium. etc.
Bottom line is we'll get a lot farther if we can use the macbook laptop
cart.

Anurag and I spent a couple hours trying things today.

The first time we tried to boot with the CD and the USB it went through 4
lines of looking for USB ports. Then assumine drive cache then it booted!
 All seemed ok but the mouse did not work.

We tried again and it wouldn't go past the first isolink line. We did not
get to the 1 second to start splash screen.

The we tried to boot back to Mac OSX. We got a grey forbidden sign. In
verbose mode it had errors about lo0oking for USB and root.  We tried safe
mode. We tried holding down x to force OSX boot. Finally we took out the
battery and it booted back to OSX.

Bravely we tried again with the CD and USB. We got the iso linux line and
teh blue splash screen. But then not responding and it stopped.

When we tried to boot back into OSX it was grey forbidden sign again.
Removing the battery again fixed this.

Next we tried a Puppy CD. It failed to boot, got stuck at loading kernal
modules

Next we tried the Sugar CD. We got to the green screen asking about language
but the keyboard did not work so we can
t get any farther.  Note that when we got the USB to boot earlier the
keyboard did work, it was the mouse that didn't work.

It seems like there is an issue finding the USB on these macs and the Linux
system seems to leave the computer in a bad state.  We have never seen this
on any other MacBooks or iMacs.

I think the next thing i want to try is a CD version of Bill's Floppy boot.
It works differently doing a full linux boot then booting another kernal on
the USB.

We have some screenshots, including the macbook hardware, vidoes etc. we can
add later today.

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[Sugar-devel] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks

2009-09-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
The current status of the GPA is:
The 4th grade classroom has a bank of 6 machines that can boot Sugar on a
Stick.
The 4th grade specialist has one used laptop that can boot Sugar on a Stick.

Access to the PCs in the computer lab is problematic and likely not to
happen very much.

There are two laptop carts of 25 bought last year Macbooks but booting Sugar
on a Stick is problematic. See
https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566 for gory details.

The teachers are enthusiastic!  The goal is to be able to use the classroom
bank of computers for Center Work that is time in the day when students
break into groups and work on different things in different parts of the
room. Sugar would become one center.  We also want to be able to do whole
class instruction by signing out a laptop cart of Macbooks.

We have sufficient privileges to install Virtual Box on the laptop cart
Macbooks.

Can anyone think of way to use Virtual Box that would allow students to use
the info on their sticks so they can at another point in time use a
classroom computer and not always need to use the same MacBook?

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] A Virtual Box solution that works with Sticks

2009-09-23 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) 
boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

  Can anyone think of way to use Virtual Box that would allow students to
 use
  the info on their sticks so they can at another point in time use a
  classroom computer and not always need to use the same MacBook?

 I don't quite understand your question. If the students boot the
 system on their sticks and write their data on them, then the data are
 on the sticks, not on the MacBook.

 What's the problem here ?


I edited, please let me know if its more clear.  Thanks

The current status of the GPA is:
The 4th grade classroom has a bank of 6 machines that can boot Sugar on a
Stick.
The 4th grade specialist has one used laptop that can boot Sugar on a Stick.

Access to the PCs in the computer lab is problematic and likely not to
happen very much.

There are two laptop carts of 25 bought last year Macbooks but we can not
boot Sugar on a Stick on these machines even using a Boot-helper CD. See
https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566for gory details.

The teachers are enthusiastic!  The goal is to be able to use the classroom
bank of computers for Center Work that is time in the day when students
break into groups and work on different things in different parts of the
room. Sugar would become one center.  We also want to be able to do whole
class instruction by signing out a laptop cart of Macbooks.

We have sufficient privileges to install Virtual Box on the laptop cart
Macbooks.

Since we can't seem to boot the MacBooks directly, but we could use Virtual
Box, can anyone think of way to use Virtual Box that would allow students to
use the info on their sticks so they can at another point in time use a
classroom computer and not always need to use the same MacBook?

Thanks,
Caroline



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Caroline Meeks
I went to a talk at the Hauser Nonprofit Institute at Harvard yesterday.
 Someone asked a question the director, who teachers nonprofit
administration, about why they choose the 5 areas they focused on.  he said:
Some people think the opposite of Strategic Management is bad management.
Actually its Opportunistic Management.  You want to manage your organization
somewhere on the continuum between being completely opportunistic and
completely strategic.

Our strategic vision is strong. My version of it is:  Sugar everywhere on
everything for all kids in the world 5 to 12 years old.  Free, Open and at
the lowest Total Cost of Ownership possible.

I love Sugar on a Stick as a promising way to do that.
 But my position as a Slobs candidate is that Sugar Labs has a lot of
potential opportunity that seems to be right outside our door.  I
think we should be open to seeing what knocks when.

I agree with Daniel's
question.  Sebastian, what is your theory of change here?  What do you
think we should do and why does doing it and doing it now as an
official strategic decision get us closer to having all the world's
children use Sugar?

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:

 2009/9/16 Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org:
  2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com:
  Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an
  official answer on this. Soon.
 
  Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a
  Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution?
 

 and to answer a question with a question: how does the answer to this
 affect your work? I can't immediately see its importance.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-16 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 16:24, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
  2009/9/16 Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com:
  Let me rephrase again, to make things clear. I'd love to hear an
  official answer on this. Soon.
 
  Is the current SoaS going to be the primary way Sugar Labs distributes a
  Sugar-centric GNU/Linux distribution?
 
  Isn't there a wider question first? the one that asks if Sugar Labs is
  actually interested in being a distributor rather than just an
  upstream. I raised that question in my recent discussion and my
  feeling is that the responses basically said well we should really
  just focus on being an upstream since we already are overworked there,
  but actually Sugar Labs is just a platform where everyone interested
  in Sugar can get together and run Sugar-related projects
 
  Based on that, I'd say that SoaS is a fine project to sit under Sugar
  Labs but there shouldn't be a primary way of getting Sugar. Like
  other upstream projects, Sugar Labs should work with multiple
  downstreams (treating them equally) in order to achieve wide adoption
  of the software.

 That matches quite well my personal point of view. I'm just a bit
 concerned that the marketing team might need something like SoaS as
 part of their job to make Sugar widely known. But I'm just guessing
 here...


I think its also vitally important to getting Sugar tried in a wide number
of classrooms and schools.  As far as educators are concerned we don't
really have a product till its been used in a school for at least a year,
and hopefully has official studies and data showing it improves performance.
This will take years.

Commercial products do that with millions of dollars of venture capital.  We
don't have that. We have you.  We have ourselves and our community and the
people out there in the world who believe in our mission if they choose to
join us.

Our goal is to work together to have Sugar be better then the commercial
alternative, more cost effective for learning, and free as in freedom, and
to have it stand up in a school board meeting on its pedagogical merits.



 That said, SoaS is very important for me as an upstream Sugar
 developer because before we had it, people had to install a linux
 distro or get an XO to try or test Sugar. So I have a big interest in
 that SoaS work continue forward, in SLs if needed.

 Regards,

 Tomeu

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Soas on legacy PC's

2009-09-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote:

  I've done considerable testing of SoaS Strawberry on legacy PC's: 1
 Pentium II laptop, and 3 Pentium III desktops.

 First of all, Caroline was correct about CD and floppy boot assists; I was
 wrong. It takes *at most* a minute more to boot from a floppy. Occasionally,
 the floppy is even a bit faster. (I set timeout = 0 on my floppy assists.)

 All these systems have non-bootable USB ports, but do boot from either CD
 or floppy.

 My Pentium II (IBM ThinkPad, 233MHz) is a complete disaster either way.
 Anywhere from 8-9+ minutes to boot up. Won't make it through an Activity.
 More than 2 minutes to instigate an Activity from its icon. Bottom line:
 don't even consider Pentium II's.

 The Pentium III's included one running at 500MHz and two at 1GHz. The
 former limped along, barely useable (an IBM Aptiva). Boot times for the
 Aptiva = 4.5 to 5.5 minutes. Kids would get highly frustrated by the pokey
 Activity runs.

 Of the 1GHz machines (a Dell Inspiron and an HP), the Dell did somewhat
 better. Boot times = 3-4 minutes for the Dell, 4-5+ for the HP. Activity
 running was adequate, if a bit sluggish.

 I certainly understand Caroline's limiting her donations to Pentium IV's.
 They run SoaS satisfactorily - similar to the native XO. (Native XO is
 noticeably faster than SoaS on the XO.) I do think, however, higher end
 (i.e., 1GHz) Pentium III's would work OK with SoaS where necessary.


We do a Pentium III 800 MHz in the classroom. Scott added memory to it and
that seemed to help quite a bit.  I'm waiting to see if it turns out to work
ok or be the computer the kids fight not to get.


 One disappointment: two of the three Pentium III's did not have their
 on-board audio recognized by SoaS: they were silent (though their
 sound works fine in Windows). Only the Dell played - well, and without sonic
 stutter. This potential lack of audio would seem a real problem for SoaS. It's
 certainly a major issue for my music Activity.


Does that mean you got audio to work well on other systems?  Have you
been following the audio work? I've seen a lot of emails go by and
some of them seemed optimistic so I'm hoping things might be working
soon. So far I;ve not even been putting Tam Tam on the
sticks because audo has not been reliable at all.  Which I agree is a very
big disappointment.  The Tam Tam suite is wonderful!

Thanks for your help with this.  Anurag is going to try to compile a list,
probably in a google doc, of what hardware we have and what performance time
we are getting and then we'll also record is kids favor or avoid it.  Maybe
you can add to this list.  It would be good to be able to give deployments a
clear idea of what is good enough.

Cheers,
Caroline


 Art Hunkins

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com
 *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu
 *Cc:* iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; Sugar-dev 
 Develsugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org;
 community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:10 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)


   some idea of what is going on.

 I've tested CD helper vs. floppy helper on Pentium III generation
 computer. On these, floppies take *way* longer than CD's: 5 minutes
 (minimum) to 1 (actually, more like 10:2). Even though boot times are
 significant, the actual *Activity* executions are satisfactory (though
 hardly peppy). Overall performance is similar to the XO-1.


 Wow, thats very different then the results I've gotten. I found that it
 took a minute for the floppy to boot, then it starts the USB boot which
 takes the same amount of time as it does without the floppy. Thus we add
 about a minute.  I wonder what the difference is.



 Art Hunkins

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 *From:* Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com
 *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu
 *Cc:* Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com ;
 community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; 
 Sugar-dev
 Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:48 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)

  I tested this on the GPA computer lab computers. It takes about 1 more
 minute (4.5 vs 3.5) to boot.  I think that it will take more then a minute
 on average to give all the students CDs, have them open the CD drawer, turn
 off the computer, turn it on again and collect all the CD at the end of
 class so that the next class boots into Windows.  My plan is the floppies
 can just live in the machines, not pushed in all the way.
 The current version
 requires the user to press enter 1 minute into the process. Can we get a 
 version that we just start the boot, then goto the rug for our lesson and 
 4.5 minutes later the machines are booted?

 Thanks!

 On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote

[Sugar-devel] CAST Books

2009-09-15 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi,
I want to see if I can get books created with CAST Book Builder to work on
SoaS.

The first thing I tried to do is download a model book.

http://bookbuilder.cast.org/model.php

I tried Legend of Snake and Eagle.  It never seems to finish downloading in
the Journal even though I'm on a wired connection.  Any suggestions?

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[Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.

2009-09-14 Thread Caroline Meeks
I'd like to announce to just the sugar development list at this point.
We are ready for the first tests of backup and restore on a Sugar Stick.  We
will be using this code for both Sugaronastick.com and the GPA but each will
point to a different XS server so we can have GPA XS be school people only.


To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com

We have named this Spin Strawberry Tree as its done by Solution Grove
based on the Strawberry Release.  If your curious there is such a thing as a
Strawberry Tree - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawberry_Tree

Beta Testers who are also on the Sugar Devel list will get free services
from sugaronastick.com for the life of the service and 5 coupon codes for a
year of free service to give to your friends once we start charging and have
implemented coupon process.

We are restricting the beta to Sugar Devel people for now because the
instructions are probably still too rough and this is our first tests.

Please email your feedback!

Thank you!



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.

2009-09-14 Thread Caroline Meeks
opps! Fixed. Thanks
Shovel Ready Ed is in fact tangentially related. Its a single sign-on
integration of Moodle, ELGG and LAMS, all open source software for
education. Moodle you guys know, ELGG is used for ePortfololios and LAMS is
Learning Activity Management.  The target market in Middle school and up.
We are looking for beta testers on the  VM
appliance.  Plus its named MEL so its got to be awesome! ;)
www.shovelreadyed.com.

Thanks!
Caroline

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 14:04, Caroline Meeks 
 carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:

 To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com



 http://www.sugaronastick.com/ and http://sugaronastick.com/ point to
 different websites. The first doesn't even seem to be tangentially related
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.

2009-09-14 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote:

 On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:04:44PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote:
  To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com
 
  We have named this Spin Strawberry Tree as its done by Solution Grove
  based on the Strawberry Release.
 [...]
  Please email your feedback!

 Can we look at the code anywhere?


I think if you download it its all there right?  Nothing magic or
proprietary we just put in the SoaS registration code that won't be out till
Blueberry into Strawberry and preset the network to point to our XS.


  Thank you!

 Thanks for letting us know about this.  Good luck.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)

2009-09-13 Thread Caroline Meeks
I tested this on the GPA computer lab computers. It takes about 1 more
minute (4.5 vs 3.5) to boot.  I think that it will take more then a minute
on average to give all the students CDs, have them open the CD drawer, turn
off the computer, turn it on again and collect all the CD at the end of
class so that the next class boots into Windows.  My plan is the floppies
can just live in the machines, not pushed in all the way.
The current version
requires the user to press enter 1 minute into the process. Can we get
a version that we just start the boot, then goto the rug for our
lesson and 4.5 minutes later the machines are booted?

Thanks!

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote:

 With regard to Bill Bogstad's floppy boot disk project for SoaS: it works
 flawlessly for me. (I've tried it successfully on both an older Windows
 laptop and desktop - vintages: Pentium II/III.)

 I've one suggestion for Bill: for use by children, I'd make everything as
 automatic as possible. Either delete the display where the user needs to
 make a choice (it's *way* technical and *I* didn't know what to do), or put
 a (10?) auto-timer on it so that it goes on through (the usual way)
 without
 user intervention.

 For Windows people: I suggest creating the boot disk with RAWriteWin. It's
 simple, user-friendly and efficient.

 Great job, Bill.

 Art Hunkins

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 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM
 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-09-11


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 7. Bill Bogstad has been working on a floppy boot disk for Sugar on a
 Stick. See http://people.sugarlabs.org/~bogstad/floppy/ for more
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)

2009-09-13 Thread Caroline Meeks
 some idea of what is going on.

 I've tested CD helper vs. floppy helper on Pentium III generation computer.
 On these, floppies take *way* longer than CD's: 5 minutes (minimum) to 1
 (actually, more like 10:2). Even though boot times are significant, the
 actual *Activity* executions are satisfactory (though hardly peppy).
 Overall performance is similar to the XO-1.


Wow, thats very different then the results I've gotten. I found that it took
a minute for the floppy to boot, then it starts the USB boot which takes the
same amount of time as it does without the floppy. Thus we add about a
minute.  I wonder what the difference is.



 Art Hunkins

 - Original Message -
  *From:* Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com
 *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu
 *Cc:* Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com ;
 community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; 
 Sugar-dev
 Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:48 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Bill Bogstad's floppy disk boot (Soas)

 I tested this on the GPA computer lab computers. It takes about 1 more
 minute (4.5 vs 3.5) to boot.  I think that it will take more then a minute
 on average to give all the students CDs, have them open the CD drawer, turn
 off the computer, turn it on again and collect all the CD at the end of
 class so that the next class boots into Windows.  My plan is the floppies
 can just live in the machines, not pushed in all the way.
 The current version
 requires the user to press enter 1 minute into the process. Can we get a 
 version that we just start the boot, then goto the rug for our lesson and 4.5 
 minutes later the machines are booted?

 Thanks!

 On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote:

 With regard to Bill Bogstad's floppy boot disk project for SoaS: it works
 flawlessly for me. (I've tried it successfully on both an older Windows
 laptop and desktop - vintages: Pentium II/III.)

 I've one suggestion for Bill: for use by children, I'd make everything as
 automatic as possible. Either delete the display where the user needs to
 make a choice (it's *way* technical and *I* didn't know what to do), or
 put
 a (10?) auto-timer on it so that it goes on through (the usual way)
 without
 user intervention.

 For Windows people: I suggest creating the boot disk with RAWriteWin. It's
 simple, user-friendly and efficient.

 Great job, Bill.

 Art Hunkins

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 To: community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Cc: iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; Sugar-dev Devel
 sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 9:55 AM
 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-09-11


 === Sugar Digest ===

 7. Bill Bogstad has been working on a floppy boot disk for Sugar on a
 Stick. See 
 http://people.sugarlabs.org/~bogstad/floppy/http://people.sugarlabs.org/%7Ebogstad/floppy/for
  more
 details.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Caroline Meeks
 (not a laptop project!)
  i...@lists.sugarlabs.org
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[Sugar-devel] Answering teacher and other users questions on Launchpad

2009-09-09 Thread Caroline Meeks
I worked with teachers today at GPA. School starts tomorrow.  I pointed one
of the teachers to Launchpad to ask questions.  I did this rather then IAEP
because I'd like to build up a FAQ set of answers that is automatically
searched. And I had to pick one of the many mediums we had and at that
moment in time I picked Launchpad I do think its the direction we are going
although I know no decision has been made.
The good news is the teacher had no problem with the UI of asking a question
on launchpad.

Now of course the problem is that no one is monitoring that location to
answer the questions.  If you'd like to answer user questions please
consider subscribing here.

https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+answer-contact

Today's questions are:

She is using a Mac with Sugar running in Virtual Box. Doing a right click is
possible but tricky (somehow it involves two fingers?). Is there another way
to get to menus such as downloading an image in Browse and pasting images
into Write.

https://answers.launchpad.net/soas

The other question is how do you share an activity with just one friend?
https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/82342

Anyone know any answers?

Thanks!


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPAfrom CD + USB

2009-09-05 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote:

  Hello, Caroline,

 I've considerable information to report re: CD's booting SoaS on USB.

 First, I admit to burning my boot CD wrong; creating the right kind of
 (.iso) CD makes the process work fine for me. My fairly current desktop
 system worked fine this way, as well as did an IBM ThinkPad notebook of
 Pentium II vintage. (I'm by and large a Windows person; no experience with
 Macs at all.)

 I did experience an overwhelming problem with the ThinkPad, however; it
 took a good 20 minutes or more for it to get from opening blue screen to the
 opening screen of my activity. It even took more than a minute to change
 to my initial activity screen from its full-screen icon display. And this
 machine has 1GB of memory. This admittedly anecdotal evidence leads me to
 question the total feasibility of running SoaS on vintage equipment. Have
 you or others had similar experience?

 I was prepared for *some* slowdown, as my XO-1 natively runs noticeably
 faster than the XO-1 under SoaS Strawberry. The IBM ThinkPad however, is a
 *complete* no-go.

 I've another Pentium I/II vintage laptop. It, like my IBM, has only a
 single USB port - showing that they are from the first generation of USB
 usage. However, this Hitachi laptop cannot boot from CD. This reminded me
 that USB ports and bootable CD's came in at about the same time, and do not
 predate by far bootable USB drives. IOW, bootable CD's are of limited
 utility for SoaS.

 However, bootable (3.5) *floppies* would be altogether a different matter.
 Floppies have been bootable forever, and all vintage machines have floppy
 drives - including both my Pentium I/II laptops. A floppy/USB combo, for
 laptops with a USB port, would at least theoretically render all such
 machines SoaS-capable. The combo would also work fine for older desktops as
 long as you could find a USB card for them.

 Bottom line: I'd really look forward to the availability of the boot floppy
 that's being completed by one of our list-members. If you had older desktops
 or laptops, you could easily configure them to boot first from the A: drive,
 having inserted the floppy disk and perhaps black-plastic-electrical-taped
 over the A: drive opening (?!).


Yes! we agree.  Thanks in advance for your help testing.  :)


 But, to restate my question (and fear): who has had bad/good experience
 with SoaS in older computers?


Have you seen this page?
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware

We could use some help moving this along and gardening the wiki
page.  For now I am trying to only collect P4 and better as donations.I'd
love to be able to expand that.




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 *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org
 *To:* Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks
 at GPAfrom CD + USB

 Hi,
 How are things going getting your computers to boot?  Do you get this
 consistently or is it intermittent? I've seen it intermittently especially
 if I use restart not shutdown. If I power down its more likely to take.

 Thanks
 Caroline

 On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Art Hunkins abhun...@uncg.edu wrote:

  FWIW, on a WinXP system of mine, a helper CD I made and booted from,
 completely ignored my SoaS and booted into Windows.

 Not very encouraging. I'm finding that quite a few systems I have around
 here don't have a USB boot option. I've a feeling that most systems more
 than 4 years old or so fit into this category.

 Art Hunkins

   - Original Message -
 *From:* Caroline Meeks cme...@sugarlabs.org
 *To:* Sugar Devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org ; 
 iaepi...@lists.sugarlabs.org
 *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 9:09 PM
 *Subject:* [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at
 GPAfrom CD + USB

 Has anyone seen a Not Responding error when booting with a CD helper?
 Also, I'm trying out the LaunchPad Questions functionality to see if this
 could be a front door where people put in various issues then we triage them
 to bugs/FAQs etc.

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 From: Caroline question81...@answers.launchpad.net
 Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:28 PM
 Subject: [Question #81566]: Can't boot MacBooks at GPA from CD + USB
 To: cme...@sugarlabs.org


 New question #81566 on Sugar on a Stick:
 https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81566

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir1A3FH08kQ

 I've been able to boot with a CD and USB other macbooks, such as those at
 LGF. I've never seen this error before.

 Anurag is going to try a Sugar and Fedora CD tomorrow.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?

2009-09-05 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hmm, I wonder if it works with VMWare.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com
 wrote:
  Hi Caroline,
 
  On 3 Sep 2009, at 02:40, Caroline Meeks wrote:
 
  Other Mac users...are you having this problem to? Does anyone know
  the root cause?
 
  The GPA is very excited to use the built in cameras with their
  macbooks.  I'm pretty sure this worked on my iMac a few months
  ago.   I remember someone fixed the video quality for it.
 
  I've had no luck on my MacBookPro, it does recognise the camera and
  activate it, but just produces a black image. Haven't tested with a
  very recent SoaS, so I should add that to the list of things to test.

 I think that you might be talking about two different environments
 here.   The GPA teachers are apparently using VirtualBox which
 provides an emulated PC hardware environment for many different
 hardware/OS platforms.   I'm guessing that Gary is talking about
 booting SoaS directly on Apple Intel based  hardware.   I use
 VirtualBox under Linux and there is no camera support in the emulated
 environment.  There is support for accessing USB devices from within
 guest machines.

 However, I found the following thread on their support forum:

 http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8t=18695

 which seems to indicate that the VB developers are thinking about
 doing something about fixing their USB code to support USB based
 cameras, but there was nothing there as of June of this year.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Activities on a.sl.o was Sugar Digest 2009-08-11

2009-09-05 Thread Caroline Meeks
Very cool. What is the process for getting them translated into other
languages?
On
A.sl.o how do we tell teachers what languages an activity is available in?

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 Thanks,

 They look great.

 david

 On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Gonzalo Odiardgodi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Caroline, i have uploaded rthe activities:
 
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4212
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4213
  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/es-ES/sugar/addon/4214
 
  Gonzalo
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com
 
  wrote:
 
  ===In the community===
 
  3. Gonzalo Odiard reported on a successful
  [http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004099.html
  Sugar Day Argentina on the Sur list.] Gonzalo also describes three new
  activities: [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Domino/6/Domino.xo], a
  game where the pieces may have different mathematical operations or
  concepts which need to match;
  [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Ecomundo.xo], an ecosystem in which
  there is grass, rabbits and foxes that are born, eat, reproduce and
  die; and [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Elements/2/Elements.xo], a
  proof-pof-concept of a Javascript activity.
 
  Will these be going onto activities.sugarlabs.org?
 
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Memorize create icon

2009-09-04 Thread Caroline Meeks
On my wish list is the ability to combine tiles from different students.  So
each student could do a couple of States then you could play a game with all
the states by sharing tiles from the whole class.
Another issue is what to do about identical answers. For instance you make a
math game. 2+2 = 4 and 1+3 =4 but right now if you click on the wrong 4 I
don't think it matches.

Thanks,
Caroline

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Joshua N Pritikin jpriti...@pobox.comwrote:

 On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 10:55:10AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
  To whomever is going to make these invasive changes, there are some
  rendering bugs in Memorize as well. Images should be centered in the
  tiles; presently they are justified to the top of the tile. Also, we
  should probably use a drop shadow for the text so that white text on
  white image problems are circumvented.

 I'd also like an option to play with all the tiles uncovered.
 Memorization is hard enough without needing to temporarily memorize the
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?

2009-09-02 Thread Caroline Meeks
Other Mac users...are you having this problem to? Does anyone know the root
cause?
The GPA
is very excited to use the built in cameras with their macbooks.  I'm
pretty sure this worked on my iMac a few months ago.   I remember
someone fixed the video quality for it.

It works on my Classmate currently.

Thanks,
Caroline

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Subject: [Question #81563]: Why doesn't Record work with Strawberry VM?
To: cme...@sugarlabs.org


New question #81563 on Sugar on a Stick:
https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81563

I am using Strawberry.vdi on macs and it does not find the camera.

I've done this on the GPA Macbooks and my imac. Same results.

Its Record 64.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Friends view UI affordances?

2009-09-02 Thread Caroline Meeks
My vision is that we would create Moodle Classes for all the various
groupings that students have throughout the day.
Then maybe the Neighborhood view shows only people who share a group with
you, or maybe those people get preference if the Neighborhood gets too
crowded.

On the Friends view it might be useful to pick just one of these groups. So
if I'm in Reading Group A right now I could choose Reading Group A in a drop
down in the friends view and it would show only people in my reading group.
 Later I am in Mr. J's Afterschool club and I pick that so I can work with
them.  After that I'm in homework time and I want to work on my Reading
Group, I can use this to easily see if anyone else from my Reading Group is
around to work on the homework assignment with.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

 Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
  On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  5. Automatically add anyone with whom you have been collaborating to
  the Friends view. (Doesn't quite solve the problem Michael describes,
  but it will result in a populated view. And it is easy enough to
  delete entries.)
 
 
  Personally I'm very much opposed to doing something like this without the
  user's explicit consent, especially since this is quickly going to result
 in
  a very cluttered friend's view.

 I agree... unless we rename it to something like the Recent Friends
 view.  It could simply show, say, the 20 people with whom we have most
 recently collaborated.  This would discard existing functionality in favor
 of different, new functionality.  I suspect that this would still be an
 improvement, and that the current Friends view is little-used, but it
 would be nice to have confirmation from deployers before tearing out that
 feature.

 Ideally, both of these functions could coexist in the context of the
 Groups View, but we have only the vaguest mockups of how Groups should
 function, and even less of a blueprint for implementing them.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] What operating system should I put on the donated computers for SoaS at the GPA

2009-09-01 Thread Caroline Meeks
Our short term goal is to on Monday prep 5-10 computer to put into the GPA
classrooms on Weds.  So we don't need super simple or something we
never have to upgrade,
we will have lots of access to these computers.  Also we don't need
computers to be both boot-helpers and have a Guest Sugar system on them.
They can be one or the other. This week is about what we can do this week.
Hopefully this experience will lead us to a super simple installation that
we can use for donated computers and put it into kids homes without having
to worry about how we will upgrade them.

Thanks!
Caroline

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Caroline
 Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote:
  Anurag a CS student at BU, my husband, a CS grad from MIT and I, a techie
  never give upper, are going to be working on Monday to take the pile of
  computers in my house and prepare them for installing in the GPA school
 on
  Weds.
  We will be wiping all the hard disks and putting on something else.
  Can I put install some version of the boothelper on the hard drive so
 when
  it boots off of the hard drive it automatically looks for a USB?

 Probably yes,  See below for more.

  I think
  this would be preferred especially for older computers that don't let us
 set
  the bios for USB boot preference.
  Perhaps with newer computers we should install Sugar locally and make it
 the
  Room 33 user so that guests can get access with out a stick.
  Thoughts? help?

 A boot menu could allow this.  Will require at least some config file
 investigation/changes.  Also, I understand the the current beta for
 SoaS 2 has a method to install to a hard drive and it would be best to
 remain compatible with that.  Unfortunately, I know nothing about how
 it works.

  Got a good answer? Put it here for future
  deployments: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81627
  We will also use this for tracking what I do and documenting results.

 The floppy boot helper (using kexec-loader) that I've been working on
 with you does the initial boot via syslinux.  Respinning it to boot
 from a hard drive is therefore theoretically easy as syslinux can be
 used on hard drivers as well as floppies.  However, how to create an
 easy to use UI to get it installed to the hard drive isn't immediately
 obvious to me.

 Alternatively, the current CD helper uses isolinux for it's initial
 boot which is part of the same suite of programs as syslinux.
 Syslinux can used more or less as a drop in replacement for isolinux.
  Therefore the CD helper method could also be theoretically respun,
 but with identical install issues as the floppy helper.

 Bill Bogstad

 Technical notes:  A fundamental difference between the CD helper and
 the Floppy helper is that the CD helper actually contains the SoaS
 kernel and ramdisk and only points to the Flash drive to get the root
 and /home filesystems.  The floppy helper actually reads the SoaS
 kernel/ramdisk off of the USB stick at boot time.  As a result, I
 believe that the floppy helper is less likely to need to be respun for
 new releases of SoaS.  OTOH, the floppy helper makes no use of the
 BIOS to read/find the SoaS and if the floppy helper doesn't have a
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Bug 419240] [NEW] Need instructions on how to set up a cluster of computers so they collaborate.

2009-09-01 Thread Caroline Meeks
The same sticks collaborate locally at the GPA.
Note that not seeing anyone in the neighborhood, and seeing people but not
having all shared activities work all the time are probably two different
bugs. We do sometimes have trouble with seeing activities at the GPA, but we
always see the other people.

Thanks!

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 On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Mike Lee curious...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can go buy the 5 and 8 port models tonight to try. If one of these
 works, then we'll at least have a basis for moving forward in the classroom.
 So far, I don't think we have any confirmed working devices.

 As I said in another email, I've tested the Linksys 5-port Workgroup
 Switch with no luck.


 Is there any reason to suspect the hardware? If it works over wireless or
 the internet, perhaps this is a software issue.

 Dave


 Mike


  On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
 bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

 Caroline Meeks wrote:
  One piece of this will be creating a cluster in the hallway, that
  collaborates locally but does not have internet access.  I've yet to
 get
  this to work.  We need to translate from discussions of network
 segments to
  very practical discussion of what specific model numbers can you buy at
 the
  store and it will work for X number of computers.

 You should be able to use any switch with as many ports as you have
 computers.  For example:
 5 ports:

 http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0257750
 8 ports:

 http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0294506
 16 ports:

 http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0282106

 (The Microcenter in Cambridge happens to be my usual place to buy this
 sort of electronics.)

 All you should need is a switch like that, and one standard ethernet
 cable
 for each computer.  If you have a very large number of machines, you can
 start connecting multiple switches together, but this sounds unlikely to
 be necessary for your purposes.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Bug 419240] [NEW] Need instructions on how to set up a cluster of computers so they collaborate.

2009-09-01 Thread Caroline Meeks
A crossover cable is a really interesting idea. That would be a simple way
to set up two machines in a hallway to collaborate.
If anyone can test it would be appreciated. I'll try to get one so we can
test on Monday.

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

 On 1 Sep 2009, at 20:35, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:

  Gary C Martin wrote:

 On 1 Sep 2009, at 20:20, Sascha Silbe wrote:

  On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 02:57:57PM -0400, Mike Lee wrote:

  As I said in another email, I've tested the Linksys 5-port
 Workgroup Switch
 with no luck.

 I don't think it has got anything to do with the switch.
 Collaboration is known to have some bugs.


 FWIW: All my testing has been done over wireless, so no wired results
 to report. I do have a switch and 2 machines so I might be able to
 test over ethernet and see if I can reproduce the issue here.


 That would be good.  Even a crossover cable between two machines would be
 enough to test the system.


 Yep thanks, wires are with a friend, will be a few days before I can test
 here, will give that route a test as well as a fallback if the switch is not
 playing well.

  My current best diagnosis is that the dhcpcd on Strawberry has somehow
 been configured without zeroconf, so it does not acquire a link-local
 address and bring up the interface in the absence of a DHCP server.  I
 freely admit, though, that this diagnosis doesn't make a lot of sense,
 because Fedora has generally embraced zeroconf and Avahi, and there's no
 reason Strawberry should be different from stock Fedora in this regard.


 Yea, I'm not clear also on where the issue lies, hopefully reproduction of
 the failure in a test environment will push us in the right direction (sorry
 I can't do this right now) :-)

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Jabber Testing Monday Aug 24

2009-08-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
:00  daveb CarolineGPA-2260: need to redo the shared roster
  14:01  CarolineGPA-2260 ok
  14:01  daveb CarolineGPA-2260: should fix itself in a minute i hope
  14:02 -!- blendmaster1024 (n=blend...@75-169-206-152.slkc.qwest.net) has
  joined #sugar
  14:05  dfarning sdziallas: good morning!  sorry for the late response I
 am
  still a irc/fedora/pidgin newbie.  I need to figure out how to get the
  screen blink.
  14:06  daveb CarolineGPA-2260: restarting ejabberd
  14:06  daveb wait!
  14:06  daveb its working finally.
  14:06  daveb wait restart will be better
  14:06  CarolineGPA-2260 I see Jack
  14:06  sdziallas dfarning: hey :) (heh. not sure about pidgin, I'm
 using
  xchat-gnome - which blinks)
  14:06  CarolineGPA-2260 are you restarting again?
  14:06  daveb yeah you can only see people
  14:07  daveb who were online AFTER i create the group
  14:07  daveb restarted
  14:07  daveb should pop up now
  14:07  daveb there they go
  14:07  CarolineGPA-2260 yup hows the cpu?
  14:08  daveb 129%!
  14:08  CarolineGPA-2260 nope, now all my computers are local
  14:08  daveb i see alot of people now
  14:08  daveb yours will have to reset telepathy
  14:08  CarolineGPA-2260 ok so I think we can eliminate the number of
  registered users as the issue
  14:08  daveb takes a few mins
  14:08  daveb wait its down
  14:08  daveb to 6
  14:08  CarolineGPA-2260 I'll restart everything but 1
  14:09  daveb so it looks like its a high load to update 20 people's
  neighborhood though
  14:09  daveb i will try turtle art
  14:10  CarolineGPA-2260 ok but if its transient thats not really that
 bad.
  14:10  daveb CarolineGPA-2260: correct.
  14:10  CarolineGPA-2260 lets see if we can peg it again sharing TA and
  chat with a few people.
  14:10  daveb CarolineGPA-2260: that is only on restart when everyone
  updates at the same tme. it'll be the same
  14:10  daveb when alot of people
  14:10  CarolineGPA-2260 right
  14:10  daveb in the same calss for example
  14:11  daveb CarolineGPA-2260: two people in turtle art
  14:11  daveb 0%
  14:12  CarolineGPA-2260 gpa 2 joining
  14:12  daveb i stopped it and started a new one
  14:12  CarolineGPA-2260 lets strat with chat
  14:13  CarolineGPA-2260 ok I'm with you n0w
  14:13  daveb ok then
  14:13  CarolineGPA-2260 GPA2 joined
  14:13  CarolineGPA-2260 anything on the CPU?
  14:13  daveb nope
  14:13  CarolineGPA-2260 ok I'll join some others
  14:14 -!- blendmaster1024 (n=blend...@75-169-206-152.slkc.qwest.net) has
  quit: gonna JB my iphone now
  14:14  CarolineGPA-2260 hmm only GPA2 joined jabber after restart :(
  14:14  CarolineGPA-2260 i wonder what is going on with that.
  14:14  daveb yeah it might take a few more mins to get telepathy to
 reset
  14:14  CarolineGPA-2260 ack I have to leave the buidling they are
 locking
  it
  14:15  CarolineGPA-2260 more tomorrow!
  14:15  CarolineGPA-2260 bye
 
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] development team meeting

2009-08-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
I am at the GPA this Monday.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Hi,

 what about a development team meeting tomorrow? Now that feature
 freeze is past us, we should discuss how we are going to make sure
 that Sugar 0.88 is going to be a rock solid release.

 If you plan to help with testing, bug triaging or development, please
 considering passing by.

 A first proposal of a time is tomorrow Monday 30th of August at 14.00
 UTC, soudns good to everybody?

 Thanks,

 Tomeu

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] development team meeting

2009-08-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
Tuesday Sept 1, at 1pm in Boston right? Yes I can be there till 2pm.
Thanks,
Caroline

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote:

 On 08/30/2009 09:48 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

 On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 21:20, Caroline Meekssolutiongr...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 I am at the GPA this Monday.


 What about Tuesday at 16 UTC?

 Regards,

 Tomeu


 Both times work for me.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Is the author local to Boston? Maybe we should take him over to the GPA and
show him a room full of Windows machines all running open software.  Perhaps
seeing it for himself will
help, the authors certainly seem to care about what kids are using for
their education.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 14:08, Bill Kerrbillk...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de
 
  wrote:
 
  On 28.08.2009, at 11:33, Bill Kerr wrote:
 
   n Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Walter Bender
   walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
   === Sugar Digest ===
   4. The recent FSF campaign condemning the use of Windows 7 in
   education (See http://windows7sins.org/) imputes OLPC in complicity
   with Microsoft. It is disappointing that the FSF is not making any
   constructive arguments in favor of free software alternatives to
   Windows such as Sugar on GNU/Linux, which is currently shipped on
   every machine distributed by OLPC.
  
   http://windows7sins.org/#1
   When I first saw it I interpreted that page as contrasting the xo as
   a positive alternative to Windows (and still think that is a valid
   interpretation)
  
   When I read what walter wrote above later I was shocked to realise
   that it could indeed be interpreted the way walter has, as well
  
   On revisiting I can't see any clarifying text there
 
  You need to click the Learn more link next to the XO picture.
 
  Citing from that concoction:
 
  As a result, it is expected that the main effect of the OLPC project
  -- if it succeeds -- will be to turn millions of children into
  Microsoft dependents. That is a negative effect, to the point where
  the world would be better off if the OLPC project had never existed.
  The project tragically became yet another example of Microsoft
  exerting its control to ends harmful to society's freedom.
 
  It's tragic how they undermine their allies' efforts in their blind
  zealousness.
 
  I see it now, thanks Bert. I agree, it's far too zealous and purist. I
 agree
  with Luke too.
  ( I did click on that link before but it sometimes seems to just reload
 the
  same page)
  I do give the FSF an annual donation so I'll write to them and complain.
 I
  thought the over zealousness came more from some FSF supporters than the
  leadership but perhaps I was wrong.
 
  What I think is bad about the campaign is that they say that the OLPC
  project is a vector for Microsoft when the truth is that it's being a
  great vector for free software, regardless of what their leaders wish
  or have said in the past.
 
  From reading the FSF campaign, people are supposed to think that
  Microsoft is evil and OLPC bowed to their pressure and abandoned their
  principles. This, I think can have much less impact that if people
  learned that they can help us so more children have a great learning
  experience with free software.
 
  So I wouldn't ask FSF to stop bashing MS, I would ask them to
  publicize those projects that can have a big impact on their mission.

 That is the point I was trying to make. I don't really care what FSF
 does re Microsoft, but they are missing out on an opportunity to
 promote a learning project that is aligned with FLOSS by ignoring
 Sugar.

 -walter

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] FSF attitude to xo and sugar

2009-08-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Thanks!
We'd still love for them to come by GPA just for the sheer joy of seeing an
entire room of old windows machines shinning with Open Source software.

Caroline

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote:

 After a discussion with the FSF, they agreed the picture was not really
 appropriate and that the text should clearly distinguish OLPC from Sugar.

 They will make an update - stay tuned.

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[Sugar-devel] Broadcom Driver installations was Re: SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10

2009-08-22 Thread Caroline Meeks
Sebastian, Mel,
How is it going getting broadcom support incorporated upstream?  Will this
be in the next release?

thanks!
Caroline

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 On 22 Aug 2009, at 11:31, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Russell,
 
  I just bought a Dell mini 10 to try SOAS on. I usually run SOAS on an
  ASUS 701 and it all works lovely. On the Dell mini 10 the trackpad is
  incredibly (unusabley) sensitive. Also the wireless networking is not
  working. I bought the mini 10 with the upgraded Dell wireless 1510
  half mini card (802.1n). If I boot into the pre-installed Ubuntu 8.04
  the wireless networking works (and the trackpad is not mental).
 
  I presume you got the Dell Mini 10v (not the plain 10). The plain 10
  has a gma-500 Poulsbo graphics chipset and isn't supported. The 10v
  has the well supported gma-950 chipset.

 I guess I did as everything else, excepting the above, works fine.

 
  My questions are:
 
  1) Is there a HLC for SOAS?
 
  Not sure what a HLC is.

 Neither am I. I meant Hardware Compatibility List.
 
  2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS?
 
  Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run
  gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff
  there.
 
  3) Is there a way to trouble shoot the wireless network card issue?
 
  With regards to the wireless the Broadcom chipset isn't well supported
  but you might like to try to install the b43-openfwwf package as its a
  firmware that supports some broadcom chips. yum install -y
  b43-openfwwf I would be very interested to know if/how it works with
  that chipset. I've also heard of people buying an intel wifi m-pci
  card off ebay and swapping them out..
 
  I'm not a total linux noob but I am not a sys admin or a linux
  systems
  developer (I've learnt through struggling through really). I've
  googled for SOAS on the dell mini 10. There are some articles about
  the mini 9 but nothing I have seen is relevant to my issues.
 
  The mini 9 and the 10v are quite similar hardware wise so there should
  be some useful information.
 
  If I get it sorted I will certainly write up a blog post about it so
  that the Dell mini 10 can be seen as a viable platform for Sugar. At
  less then 200 quid for a 10 inch netbook it would seem to be a good
  target platform.
 
  Excellent. It would also be useful if you could register a smolt
  profile for it so we can fully document the specs. You can do this by
  yum install -y smolt and then running the command smoltSendProfile
  to register the hardware. If then provides you a public url.

 I will do that.

 Many thanks for your help.

 Russell

 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Competitive landscape: Intel Classmate executive blog post re updated software

2009-08-20 Thread Caroline Meeks
I've been wanting to try this but I can't get a.sl.o to send me an email to
approve my account and I need an account to download it.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz 
bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:

 Caroline Meeks wrote:
  italic looks very interesting!  Can it be Sugarized?  how does it
  relate/compare to Show'n'Tell or any other solutions we have in the
 pipeline
  to this type need.
  Thanks!

 You might enjoy Watch Me:

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4205/

 It provides a very small piece of this puzzle.

 Watch Me lets you share a view of your screen with other users. Just
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[Sugar-devel] Behavioral Economics to Concrete Actions was [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-08-17

2009-08-18 Thread Caroline Meeks
. This would imply that we
 really need to keep the pain associated with getting started to an
 absolute minimum.


This is why I am trying to make the TeacherMate content a reality for
Sugar.  Its a low pain way for teachers to get started and to develop
the habit of using Sugar.

I have also listed what seem to me to be the top technical pain points
for trying Sugar on a STick with a class:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO



 * People need to feel involved and effective to make a change.
 :We have a community with a potential for great discourse that
 welcomes contributions. This is one of our real strengths.


+1 this is one of big strengths.  We need to continue to focus on making
teachers feel like they are contributors to the Sugar community and to
global education.



 ===Help wanted===

 3. Last week's discussion about feedback led to the suggestion that I
 highlight feedback from the field in the ''Sugar Digest''. Please send
 me reports that I can include each week.

 ===In the community===

 4. There has been a lot of activity on our community-powered support
 portal [http://getsatisfaction.com/sugarlabs]. The interface is a bit
 clumsy, but much more friendly to non-developers than the  trac
 system. Check it out. (Dennis Daniels has been including links to
 screencasts with most of his posts.)

 ===Tech Talk===

 5. In the run up to string freeze for Release 0.86, Simon Schampijer
 led a triage session (See [http://dev.sugarlabs.org/milestone/0.86]).

 6. Tom Gilliard (satellit) continues to experiment with alternative
 formats for Sugar LiveUSB images (See
 http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/).

 ===Sugar Labs===

 7. Gary Martin has generated a SOM from the past week of discussion on
 the IAEP mailing list (Please see [[File:2009-August-8-14-som.jpg]]).

 ===Just for fun===

 Another quote from ''A Fire Upon the Deep'': Finally they pulled the
 big, floppy ears simultaneously: the dataset popped open. Sounds like
 he was describing an OLPC XO-1.

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[Sugar-devel] TuxPaint for SoaS Beta?

2009-08-18 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi,
How is getting TuxPaint to save to the Journal going?  Any chance we'll have
it ready for Sugar on a STick beta release Aug 30?

Thanks!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] Competitive landscape: Intel Classmate executive blog post re updated software

2009-08-18 Thread Caroline Meeks
italic looks very interesting!  Can it be Sugarized?  how does it
relate/compare to Show'n'Tell or any other solutions we have in the pipeline
to this type need.
Thanks!

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:08 AM, David Van Assche dvanass...@gmail.comwrote:

 This actually looks like a commercial ripoff of iTalc, an opensource app
 that does exactly what synchronous Eyes does:
 http://italc.sourceforge.net/


 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Christoph Derndorfer 
 e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:

 Thanks for the link, definitely an interesting article!

 Some of the features provided by that SMART Classroom Suite
 (
 http://www2.smarttech.com/st/en-US/Products/SynchronEyes+Classroom+Management+Software/
 )
 would also be very useful additions for Sugar...

 Cheers,
 Christoph

 Sean DALY schrieb:
 
 http://blogs.intel.com/technology/2009/08/classmate_pc_as_a_one-to-one_l.php
 
  * touchscreen for kids
  * customized Easybits desktop (Inspirus, removes distractions)
  * Anmeg Parent Carefree, shuts down Classmate if rules transgressed
  * theft deterrent
  * system snapshot manager
  * ArtRage drawing tool
  * EverNote for note-taking
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[Sugar-devel] Wed Jabber Testing

2009-08-12 Thread Caroline Meeks
I had quite limited time to test today but here is what we did.
I will call the two jabber servers XS1 and XS2.

XS1 responded to jabber.sugarlabs.org for the last few months.  It had over
2000 jabber users.

XS2 was created a few weeks ago and had barely been used. It also has Gadget
installed.

On Tuesday XS2 worked fine with 8 users we set up in Cambridge. XS1 had all
sorts of flackiness with the same 8 sticks and computers plus another 20 or
so who happened to be on from varies Sugarlands.  CPU on XS1 was around
100%.

Tuesday night we switch the DNS so that jabber.sugarlabs.org went to XS2.

Weds we had about 3 computers from cambridge plus about a dozen from
elsewhere.  It seemed ok and no large CPU usage.  Dave B noted that the
server always seemed to say it had 3 or 4 more people then he saw.  On Weds
we ran into an annoying bug where some of the sticks would not connect to
Jabber.  Ticket 1166.

Dave also forgot to reconfigure Gadget so for part of the day XS2 was
running without Gadget.

Dave has wiped the XS1 database and we are going to switch the DNS for
jabber.sugarlabs.org back to XS1.  We will test tomorrow whether it works
better then it did on Tuesday.

Tomorrow, if we get access to a computer lab I will also reburn the sticks
and see if I can replicate the problems we had on Ticket 1166 with sticks
that we know are absolutely all the same.

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[Sugar-devel] New Activities on a.sl.o was Sugar Digest 2009-08-11

2009-08-11 Thread Caroline Meeks


 ===In the community===

 3. Gonzalo Odiard reported on a successful
 [http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-sur/2009-August/004099.html
 Sugar Day Argentina on the Sur list.] Gonzalo also describes three new
 activities: [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Domino/6/Domino.xo], a
 game where the pieces may have different mathematical operations or
 concepts which need to match;
 [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Ecomundo.xo], an ecosystem in which
 there is grass, rabbits and foxes that are born, eat, reproduce and
 die; and [http://190.0.162.1/godiard/sugar/Elements/2/Elements.xo], a
 proof-pof-concept of a Javascript activity.


Will these be going onto activities.sugarlabs.org?



 ===Sugar Labs===

 4. Gary Martin has generated a SOM from the past week of discussion on
 the IAEP mailing list (Please see [[:File:2009-August-1-7-som.jpg]]).
 Gary has made a number of modifications to his algorithm. Please give
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[Sugar-devel] Results of today's Jabber Testing

2009-08-11 Thread Caroline Meeks
I worked with the RIT contingent and Dave Farning today to do some
collaboration testing.

We tested with 8 computers on a rarely used dev XS system hosted by Solution
Grove.
 We had some UI challenges getting connected but once we were all
connected there seemed to be no particular problems or strange
behavior.
We then switched the computers to jabber.sugarlabs.org (also hosted by
Solution Grove).  It had about 29 people on it.  There were all sorts
of problems, people appearing and disappearing, getting dropped,
seeing a subset of people etc.
 The CPU load was quite high.  Memory was not a problem.

At this point the room we were in was closing so we had to quit.

Our next test is to switch the DNS of jabber.sugarlabs.org to the rarely
used XS instance and try again tomorrow.

This is an easy test will help us answer the following questions.

1. Does the number of people that have used the jabber server and thus are
in the roster have any effect on performance?
2. Is there any difference with this slightly newer XS install that matter?

Assuming that there is no difference and that when we have 20 odd people
connected we start to see failures, what tests should we do to try to
isolate the problem?

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] One click vs options in palette buttons (from the toolbar redesign thread)

2009-08-06 Thread Caroline Meeks
I'm just going to throw in a non helpfull cheer for the work you guys are
doing!  I can't help you with refinements yet but I know the basic work is
needed. The GPA students after 5 weeks could still not find the stop button
or understand the Share UI. Yay for the new design!
As for being helpful, let me know when its ready to put into kids hands and
I'll video some kids using it.

Thanks for this work!

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote:

 Another question that came up today (screenshot attached):

 The share button has a regular palette. This is not a toolbar that can be
 locked. We have one action buttons (e.g. keep one) and we have buttons where
 the options have to be revealed (like the share one). How do we make this
 distinction visible in the UI. Aleksey instinctively choose the arrow. But
 that would clash with the toolbars, and led to confusions.

 Do we have ideas about that?

 Thanks,
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[Sugar-devel] Backup and Restore for Sugar on a Stick

2009-08-06 Thread Caroline Meeks
This email is especially for Miguel Salazar and the Chiapas deployment.
The code for backup and restore of Sugar Sticks using the XS is awaiting
code review, if you can please test it.

http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/916
http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1124

http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1124Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Reviving the Deployment Team

2009-08-04 Thread Caroline Meeks
Let me know how I can help!
Thanks,
CAroline

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 It looks like we have enough sustainable contributors to revive the
 Deployment team!

 The existing deployment team information is at
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team .  I would like to begin
 by slightly narrowing the deployment teams mission to:

 The mission of the Deployment Team is to enable Sugar deployments to
 participate fully in the Sugar community by organizing forums for the
 exchange of experience and needs between Sugar users and Sugar
 developers.

 Once these tasks are well under way we can expand the mission as needed.

 Maria del Pilar Saenz of SugarLabs Colombia has offered to be the
 initial co-ordinator for the team.  Maria is both close to deployments
 and quite articulate and knowledgeable about our high-level goals.

 Over the next couple of weeks, I hope we can revisit the team's
 roadmap, resources, and TODO list to start minimizing the
 communication barriers between deployments and developers.

 In order, to get this started Tomeu has mentioned that he is willing
 to shift his Sugar Labs time from working on new features to fixing
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[Sugar-devel] Erase in the Ring and less hot hot corners

2009-08-03 Thread Caroline Meeks
+1 to taking erase out of the activity ring.  We need to keep that view as
simple as possible for the youngest children.  Moving the mouse is a
challenge for the youngest kids, fewer targets with less that can go wrong
is a big win.
I think I'm also a +1 on the less hot hot corners.  I definitely see issues
with getting the frame unintentionally.  But that seems like a choice with
more tradeoffs.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:13 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 01:22:35AM +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
  e.g. here in Nepal they [...] removed the 'Remove' option from the
  activities menu in Home View (so activities can only be truly removed
  from the List View).

 I confirm that with the children I test on, using OLPC build 802, they
 lose activities from the ring as a result of accidental mouse movements.
 After a few hours though they don't do it.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Collaboration for Poets

2009-08-03 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi,
As we get pilots of Sugar on a Stick and Sugar on Netbooks going this Sept
there are going to be a lot of questions about collaboration.

When it works its wonderful! It makes a huge difference.  It works well in
the GPA computer lab.

Sometimes it does work, we need to get some documentation up for  School/Camp
IT person, Teach Savvy Teacher or accidental techie that gives them a shot
at making it work for
them and lets them give us good feedback when it doesn't.

I'd love help expanding the wiki page David Farning started:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration#School.2FCamp_IT_person.2C_Teach_Savvy_Teacher_or_accidental_techie

Specifically for the GPA pilot I would like to make the following use cases
work.


   1. Set up a cluster of computers in the back of a classroom, without
   internet connection, and have local collaboration within that cluster.
   (Ticket 1113)
   2. Allow collaboration when using the Mac laptops on the laptop cart.


Thanks,
Caroline


On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 6:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 I have started a Poets Guide to Collaboration at
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration .

 It is a simplified guide that only looks at the use case when a XMPP
 Server is present.

 My first question is:
 Why is Ejabberd the preferred XMPP server? Some of the Java base
 servers appear to be very scalable and very stable?

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[Sugar-devel] Local Collaboration with an ethernet bug 1113

2009-08-02 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi,
This is an important priority for GPA for Sept.  Its also something we want
to work for conferences and expos where we demo.  Any ideas?

For the GPA School I would like to set up 4-6 computers in the back of
 classrooms. We may well not have internet to the classroom so I'd like the
 cluster to collaborate locally with each other.

 I tested this at an Expo I went to recently. I had 4 laptop and I
 connected them with ethernet cable to a netgear ethernet switch.  They did
 not see each other :(

 How can I make this work?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Local Collaboration with an ethernet bug 1113

2009-08-02 Thread Caroline Meeks
Please point me to the documentation a sysadmin would need to read to know
how to set up local collaboration and how it works.
Thanks,
Caroline

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 [re-adding sugar-devel to CC]

 On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 17:09, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com
 wrote:
  Hi,
  I think anyone with 3 computers, 3 sticks and a cheap hub could try to
  replicate.  no need to be local.

 Why do you think that any computers and any cheap hub will display the
 same behavior? Collaboration on link-local (server-less) works for me
 always on the limited networking setups I have available.

  I bought the 5 port version of this:
  http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS605.aspx

 Even if it's the same product from the marketing POV, differences on
 the parts, firmware and configuration can cause link-local
 communication work or not work.

 Without a local person who can use the same equipment you use, I don't
 know how we are going to be able to help you with this, even if we buy
 what we think is the same equipment.

  I was not connected to the internet.  My use case is classrooms and
 booths
  where no wired internet access is available but we want to allow people
 to
  collaborate locally.

 This requires that the computers involved are in the same link-local
 segment. Do you know if that setup fulfils this requirement?

 Regards,

 Tomeu

  Thanks,
  Caroline
 
 
  On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:
 
  On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 16:05, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com
 
  wrote:
   Hi,
   This is an important priority for GPA for Sept.  Its also something we
   want
   to work for conferences and expos where we demo.  Any ideas?
   For the GPA School I would like to set up 4-6 computers in the back of
classrooms. We may well not have internet to the classroom so I'd
 like
   the
cluster to collaborate locally with each other.
  
I tested this at an Expo I went to recently. I had 4 laptop and I
connected them with ethernet cable to a netgear ethernet switch.
  They
   did
not see each other :(
  
How can I make this work?
 
  We need someone with enough technical knowledge to communicate and
  help with debugging. Do you have someone with such profile near you we
  can work with?
 
  Regards,
 
  Tomeu
 
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick File Structure - Summary of problems and potential solutions

2009-08-01 Thread Caroline Meeks
Here is a summary of how I see the problems and the solutions we are
evaluating. Let me know if this is correct.

Problems we'd like solve:
To be acceptable a solution should solve all of these problems.

   1. Reduce the frequency of sticks not being bootable after usage
   2. Allow a VM system to read user files and thus allow us to create a VM
   that can switch users
   3. Allow a user to put the stick into a windows/mac/linux machine and
   find their files
   4. Ready for Sept deployment at GPA

Things we wish to optimized

   1. Ability to work with poor quality sticks
   2. Size of stick needed
   3. Amount of abuse the stick can take and still work
   4. Size of download to create the stick
   5. Time it takes to create the stick
   6. Easy user experience creating the stick
   7. Speed of the stick in use
   8. Minimize development time invested in the immediate future
   9. Familiar and easy to understand

We expect different solutions to be different in terms of how they do on
these criteria



Solutions currently being considered:

   1. Fixing the current system in some way? (Do we have a plan that uses
   the current file structure and solves all of the problems?)
   2. Full install of Fedora
   3. Switch to OpenSuse
   4. Create a stick using Fedora code in the same way that OpenSuse creates
   their stick? (Is this a possibility?)
   5. Trying to find a file system expert to deploy some sort of journaling
   file structure that is designed for robustness.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Reducing Stick Failures - Was Re: [Marketing] press release opportunity...

2009-07-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 22:15, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com
 wrote:
 
  But anyway, we don't _need_ an expert. Rather an advanced linux user
  that can ask the right questions, read shell scripts, inspect a
  running system, etc. Already asked in the local linux user groups?
 
  Hi Tomeu,
  I'm trying to put together a wiki page taht explains where we are where
 we
  need to go coherently then I will reach out to LUGS etc.
  Can you help me feel confident that I have created such a page?

 Oops, almost miss this hidden message ;)

 Where is that page?


The Sugar TODO Page is where I am assembling info.

Right now, I think we have 2 potential solutions within our internal
capabilities.

1. Full Install
2. Open Suse solution

My next step is to see if either of these are workable.

I do think its technically feasible to create a stick that will withstand
quite a bit of abuse if we had the experts in the field helping us.  But I'm
just working towards good enough for the fall at this point.

The TODO page will give you a hint as to where I'm heading next.  If Dave
Farning thinks he can do the Clone Activity then I'll probably focus on
trying to get a few more collaboration use cases working.  Collaboration is
so effective, cool and engaging when it works.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Reducing Stick Failures - Was Re: [Marketing] press release opportunity...

2009-07-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:34 AM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:

 I've arrived late.  I've been listening to this discussion for a week.

 A general comment ... if any state is preserved by the children on the
 USB sticks, and there is no copy of the state kept elsewhere, and there
 is a possibility of power failure, premature removal, or other
 interruptions, then every software component that uses the saved state
 must be either capable of detecting corruption of the saved state, or
 graceful recovery from apparently invalid state.


Nod.

Note further down on this page backup and file recovery is listed. That is
in progress.

Interestingly enough I have seen kids pull the stick out at the wrong time
and that does not see to correlate with the stick failures based on
observation not strong data collection.

I would like to someday have a really robust solution that could recover
from that sort of catastrophic failure and even go through the washing
machine.  I think such is possible.

Right now I'd be happy if sticks rarely failed during normal usage.



 It seems that there are a large number of software components involved.
 Each one would have to be considered.  Sounds like an interesting
 challenge.  The way I would approach it is to evaluate the saved state
 between a working and non-working USB stick.  Are these images available
 for analysis?  Would you like technical instructions for capturing
 images next time the problem happens?


I have both working and nonworking sticks.  I could post images of them.

Can you send me instructions on how to create images from MacOSX?

Thanks!



 My understanding of the Linux based Sugar software stack is that there
 are many components which could enter a state where they would not
 start.

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[Sugar-devel] GPA in Sept and the next release of SoaS

2009-07-31 Thread Caroline Meeks
Work with kids for the summer is starting to wind down and I'm starting to
get ready for the fall.
Kids return Sept 10th. I don't yet know what day we will hand out the first
sticks.

As I start testing and preparing the Master Stick for the GPA what release
should I be working with?

How can I be helpful to you for the next release?

What should I be doing to insure I have the best possible stick in terms of
both stability and new features?

What do we imagine the logistics for upgrading sticks in the field during
the year will be?

Thanks!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] press release opportunity...

2009-07-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
As I noted in the wiki page about this:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust
2GB Sticks are $0.60 more then 1GB sticks.

If
it improves reliability its definitely worth it from a sheer TCO point of view.

A full install also makes it possible to browse the files from other
operating systems and allows the possiblity of a VM boot helper.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.comwrote:

 Caroline Meeks wrote:

 On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com
 mailto:g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

On 29 Jul 2009, at 21:35, Walter Bender wrote:

Begin handwaving.

LiveUSB came from the world of LiveCD and with it came an overlay
concept to enable writing in what had been a read-only world. It is
not clear that the approach was intended for more than
 demonstration
purposes, in order to show off the power of Fedora Linux. That
 would
suggest that in the long run, we may need to revisit the way in
which
we manage user data on our images.

End handwaving.


+1

My gut feeling is we don't want a LiveUSB, we want a bootable USB
with a regular install on it. Ideally being installed from a LiveCD,
that can either directly boot and demo Sugar, install to a USB
stick, or install to a hard-disk. Once booted we'd want the minimum
of file writes to maximise a stick lifetime, and reduce the chance
of a write landing as a child unplugs.

Regards,
--Gary


 +1 except I think that we need it sooner not later.

 It is the most likely suspect on most of our stick failures. We will
 have upset teachers and kids if its not more reliable plus added expense
 and time costs.

 It is a blocker on:

* Reading things you've created on your Sugar Stick on a Windows or
  Mac machine.
* Createing a VM that can switch stick based users without rebooting
  out of the native OS- This will help usability quite a bit on the
  Mac Laptops the GPA will be using next year.

 I'm going to try to create a spec and publicize our need for help to my
 network. I'd love help with both parts of that.


 I'll throw my two cents in here, too.

 I agree with Walter that we might need to revisit the whole concept in the
 long term. However, it's probably the best we can get right now.

 Let me put it this way: Looking at my recent composes for SoaS, those were
 around 390 MB. This contains the compressed squashfs image. Because of this
 compression, it's read-only, but it's also that small.

 Now in comparison, we could obviously place the whole file tree on a USB
 key and hack up some magic to make it boot. In fact, that's from what I see
 already the somehow preferred way used for the XO.

 But for this, we'd also need to have the file tree uncompressed (since
 otherwise it would be read-only again). And that could become a problem. The
 compression works rather well for us, so if we'd try to go this way, we'd
 definitely need to move the USB key size requirement up (at least 2 GB, if
 not even more).

 And then, I'm not really sure if this solves the data corruption issue
 (which I haven't experienced myself, so far) - because files could get
 destroyed if the USB key is improperly removed anyway.

 Caroline, maybe you could explain the way you're using to make these keys,
 because I've lost track about what the current way is.

 Regarding reading contents one created in Sugar on Windows / Mac, I think
 this is still quite some time away. In fact, I'm wondering whether this
 isn't a datastore related feature. /me thinks about this...

 Cheers,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen

2009-07-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
I have updated the wiki with the latest data and a plan for next steps.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust
Basically trying a full install and an OpenSuse stick and seeing if either
of those fail as easily.

Would anyone like to help with the testing?

Thanks,
Caroline

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

 I still have it, not sure how to poke around inside it, but I'll see
 if there is a way to mount it and look.

 Dave


 On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com
 wrote:
  On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:03:52AM -0400, Dave Bauer wrote:
  After replacing the overlay, i restarted again and booted sucessfully
  into sugar.
 
  It'd be interesting to know what was in the overlay.
 
  Dave
 
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[Sugar-devel] How big might a full install of Fedora Sugar be?

2009-07-30 Thread Caroline Meeks
Id love to try it. Does anyone know where I can find instructions?
I am putting off ordering USB Sticks just in case we will need 4GB ones.
Does anyone see that as a possibility?

Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] press release opportunity...

2009-07-29 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

 On 29 Jul 2009, at 04:10, Caroline Meeks wrote:

  This is a good idea!

 Can I also ask you and Tomeu to help me with another, complimentary
 approach?

 As I hiked up the mountain on the weekend I got a lecture from one of my
 friends on different file system options and journaling.  He has some time
 to help us.  Today at the Expo I went to I met someone who had one of the
 patents on USB sticks.  She is also willing to help us.

 I'd like to get our problems defined, resources and documentation linked
 up and then put together some specific requests for help that I can put out
 to my linkedin, facebook, and APO networks.

 Can you guys help me create the wiki pages that would let people
 understand our problems and find what they need to learn easily for some of
 the specific problems we don't know how to solve.


 The most authoritative and frightening item I've read on this is from
 Mitch:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/How_to_Damage_a_FLASH_Storage_Device

 There was a detailed discussion thread back in February at:

http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2009-February/022987.html

 I'm sure this is not the only culprit, but it's likely an important one.

 I'm no expert in the live image process but here's my current random theory
 for the login screen case anyway (to be proven wrong so we can move on
 please :-) A live image has a kind of overlay file where the actual users
 changes are being written, if a kid unplugs too early, or hits some other
 media write issue, that overlay could be corrupted. Likely loosing all user
 changes to the original base image (and some), the stick would still boot,
 but bail out when it hits the corrupt overlay. Dropping the user at a login
 prompt (but with nothing to login to as that part is corrupt). End of random
 theory.


This makes sense to me and I added it to the wiki.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust



 You'd need to carefully analyse the broken stick images to resolve this
 one. Not sure of the tools you'd need.


Maybe.  I am currently very suspicious of our file formatting. I want to
know how it works and why it was chosen. then I want to find out why Open
Suse and other distributions picked their choices.

I don't have any information but its feeling like we have a fine crystal
file format and what we want is a file structure that wraps the files in
hard plastic so they will be ok even if a few bytes are disturbed.

Hopefully we'll get more info. Right now I feel like all I know is how
little we know. :)  Which is actually a useful piece of information.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes from Penobscot Maine 7-27

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
Anyone with Apple Packagemaker expertise that wants to work with a teacher
in rural Maine?

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Laura Johns la...@penobscotschool.orgwrote:

 Hello,
 I have given up on building a single package for SoaS. I believe this is
 going to take more expertise than I have been able to gain over the summer.

 I did push out my parts, SoaS, Virtual Box and the launcher applet, to my
 school's laptops. In a few short weeks, I will be able to report on the
 response and performance.

 If any of you have Apple Packagemaker expertise, I would sure like to hear
 from you.


 Laura Johns
 la...@penobscotschool.org



 On Jul 27, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Caroline Meeks wrote:



 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Hi Caroline and All,

 This is great stuff!  I hope you are working up a very detailed,
 Grannie's Guide-No Fail style set of teachers' instructions so that other
 (non-techie) teachers who don't have you there to help can replicate the
 things you are doing with the students.

 I love the way you document everything with the TODOs included. Excellent!

 The note from Laura Johns is very encouraging.  I guess it dispels 2
 myths:

 1) There aren't many Power PC Macs left in the schools

 2) SoaS won't run on a Power PC Mac.

 It looks like we finally may have someone who can make it work.  Wouldn't
 it be great if it were ready to go by the CUE Conference in March 2010?

 They have asked me to apply to do another 1 hour session at CUE 2010.  I
 have to apply by early September.  It is really hard to come up with
 something flexible and generic enough to adjust to match the rapidly
 changing and developing things going on with OLPC and SugarLabs.  I am open
 to suggestions.


 Hi Caryl,

 We have an application in for one session and they want a second session?
 What did we put down for the first one?

 We are using Turtle Art a lot this summer so maybe a Turtle Art specific
 session.  Turtle Art for math, social studies and ePortfolios.


 Caryl

 P.S. For the branded USB sticks...is the type you are ordering
 retractable?  Does it have a good loop to attach to a keychain or lanyard?
 If so, count me in for 10.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:38 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:24 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 00:28, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote:
  Aleksey,
 
  If I was responsible for this I'd cover my tracks better.  I would
  make Bastien's video insanely popular too.
 
  I was paying at least some attention to these numbers and it bugs me
  that I can't trust them. Oh, well.
 
  Maybe all downloads from the same school use the same IP? Can we know
  where is each IP allocated?

 I have seen that happen before.  A couple of times we have had bursts
 of download from a single IP.  Those IPs have either been from a
 school or a search engine.


If its actually from a school that is really interesting and we might want
to try to find out who from the school and what they are doing.



 The statistics generator for ASLO is just a python script which parse
 the activities.sl.o access log.  It would be pretty straight forward
 for someone to add a couple lines to add geoip functionality.

 david

  Regards,
 
  Tomeu
 
  James Simmons
 
  $ zcat data/access-2009072{0..6}.gz | grep -i
 'downloads.file.*\(read_etext\|view_slides\)' | wc -l
  8781
  $ zcat data/access-2009072{0..6}.gz | grep -i
 'downloads.file.*\(read_etext\|view_slides\)' | awk '{print $1}' | sort |
 uniq | wc -l
  876
 
  Just one question, how many IPs from 876 came from your bot-net ;)
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks


 It might be useful to come up with some sort of taxonomy of failure:


This is the only one I call a failure!


 won't boot with repeated retries   -


 will boot intermittently


I have been seeing less of this one recently. Prior to Strawberry this
seemed to happen but now I rarely get a stick to work with a retry.



 will boot with some intervention (e..g, hitting enter at liveuser prompt)


I have a ticket for this in as a bug, it seems to happen always after
restart.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS Getting stuck at the Fedora Login Screen

2009-07-28 Thread Caroline Meeks
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust

I added some observations on failure modes.

I'm not expecting sticks to be usable after going through the wash, but it
might help us understand our different sorts of failures.  And maybe there
is a robust file system that would go through the wash. I think its pretty
impressive that the stick still goes through the beginning portions of the
boot straight out of the washing machine! :)

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Caroline Meeks
carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:




 It might be useful to come up with some sort of taxonomy of failure:


 This is the only one I call a failure!


 won't boot with repeated retries   -


 will boot intermittently


 I have been seeing less of this one recently. Prior to Strawberry this
 seemed to happen but now I rarely get a stick to work with a retry.



 will boot with some intervention (e..g, hitting enter at liveuser prompt)


 I have a ticket for this in as a bug, it seems to happen always after
 restart.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Improving Reading Experience

2009-07-27 Thread Caroline Meeks
Sounds like you guys are on the right track.

What I want is a movie that is fun, short and upbeat and makes people see we
have tons and tons of books for kids.

I'm not an expert on childrens lit, go for books that look like fun or you
have heard of. Don't seek out controversy, but don't sweat Wizard of Oz and
such. Areas that want to exercise that level of censorship are unlikely to
be early adopters of Sugar.  If you really want opinions, you can ask on
IAEP.

Thanks!
Caroline

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi Caroline,

 Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com writes:

  Can we get one with childrens books demoed?

 Sure!  Can you send me a link to such a book in Gutenberg?

  I think also skip the downloading
  from the activities portal, that is a separate video. Once you know how
 to do
  that it will be boring to have to watch it for every activity.

 Right.  I will make another video demoing a child book and skipping the
 download step when Jim releases the version with annotation etc.

  Also it seemed to cut off just when it was going to get exciting Were
 you
  going to join the shared activity?

 That would make even more sense when we'll be able to share annotations
 on the book.

  Dave C is a volunteer with video skills. Maybe you guys could work
 together to
  create a video with some music and such?

 I'd be glad, sure!

 Thanks for the feedback,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Why am I so popular?

2009-07-26 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

 On 26 Jul 2009, at 21:43, Bastien wrote:

  Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com writes:
 
  1).  Bastien's Read Etexts video became an Internet sensation.  Hey,
  he did a nice job!
 
  My video has been viewed only 10 times so far, so you can drop this
  interpretation :)

 So how do you know those 10 times didn't each get each get shown to a
 school assembly of 500 kids a pop? OK, so one of them was mine, so
 -500 kids ;-)


Cool! Is there somewhere I can read more about this 500 kid school assembly?



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Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Goals Status

2009-07-21 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Greg Smith gregsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Walter, Caroline and Dave,

 Looking at the list of main goals for GPA
 (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Goals), I see two top
 priority items:

 - Collaboration
 - Backup and restore

 I think the first is done. That is we have a plan to use local
 collaboration (I believe that means Salut). Can you confirm that
 solution is acceptable?


This is acceptable for now.  When we have the kids take the kids home we'll
eventaully want them to be able to collaborate with ohter kids at school via
a Jabber server. But we have a few months before this is critical path.



 How are we doing with backup and restore? Let me know if there's
 anything I can help with, e.g. I can help document how we will do
 backup and restore.


The SG team is working on it. I think they owe an email on approach and
status to the server list



 The rest are priority B for GPA.This one seems important to me:
 Straightforward Teacher Assignment - Student - Teacher workflow.
 However, if we have a plan and no new SW is needed, that's good. We
 can focus on the activities and next level of detail.

 That said, if its critical to success in the fall we should get
 working on it ASAP. I may also add a feature to share a file from one
 computer to another. I want to see a lesson plan needing that first.
 Then I'll try out the suggestions recently posted to the list before I
 ask for a new feature.

 I appreciate any pointers on priorities and major feature work still
 pending. Lots of bug scrub work to do in the mean time.


For the fall - here is a brainstorm

- Reliably working on the Macbooks in the laptop cart.
- Faster user setup.
-Easier setup in the computer lab - We can try upgrading the BIOS and see if
we can get it to boot directly from USB. We could have a floppy boot helper
that could just stay with the computer.
- Communication plan for helping people to get their sugar sticks to boot at
home
-More robust sticks, I think there is a ticket in on the goes to user login
but with no user name but we've seen on a few sticks now.

I think the 4 items above will all be much easier if we are using a stick
format where you can see the files rather then one squash image file. there
is at least one ticket in for that.  I'd like some technical opinions on
that, but my sense is the underlying reformat of the stick is what should be
to top priority item.


-Prettier reboot. Reboot takes you to a nonsugar screen where you have to
press return when it says user name is liveuser. Sometimes it fails
completely as above.
-Grouping collaboration by class on the jabber server (clearly this is for
after we goto Jabber based collaboration.)
-Teacher collecting homework and assessing workflow. Right now it looks like
the fall early adopters will be doing a lot of writing so think of a student
writing an essay and the teacher being able to take all those essays home,
read and comment on them, and return them.

Thansk,
Caroline



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Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA Goals Status

2009-07-21 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

 Hi Greg,

 On 21 Jul 2009, at 14:51, Greg Smith wrote:

  I may also add a feature to share a file from one
  computer to another. I want to see a lesson plan needing that first.
  Then I'll try out the suggestions recently posted to the list before I
  ask for a new feature.

 Have you tried using the Send to -- friend Journal feature?
 Obviously you need local collaboration working first, and added some
 friends:


 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.84/0.83.5_Notes#Journal_entry_palette


Send to sends to one person and we need to have one person (the teacher in
this use case) send to everyone in the class/neighborhood.

That said, I wonder if we can use this as a work around while we wait for
designers and programmers to figure out the usecase.

Is there a clever human engineering solution that would quickly allow each
kid to send it to two other kids and get full coverage quickly?  sort of
like a calling tree?  I think what I'm asking is how could I in a  classroom
management situation set up file sending tree quickly that includes everyone
and doesn't cause too much chaos and is resilient to kids being absent and
some kids being socially isolated.



 Regards,
 --Gary

 P.S. I think Collaborate mentioned something about sending via a
 Jabber server being more recently implemented, but not sure if that is
 an official release yet, or if Sugar is able to use it.
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[Sugar-devel] Planning for Weds - Tux Paint, Conozco Uruguay, Memorize with Speak

2009-07-20 Thread Caroline Meeks
Hi,
I'm doing lesson planning for Weds, the 3rd graders. They are the ones who
would test out these three activites.

I want to check in on the current status I think it is:


   1. Tux Paint - Waiting for it to save to the Journal before we let the
   kids use it
   2. Conozco Uruguay - Waiting for a version that fits different sized
   screens
   3. Memorize with Speak - crashes when you try to use Speak.

thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [support-gang] An Opportunity to bring vital content to the Sugar/XO world - Needs technical help.

2009-07-19 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote:

 Hi Tomeu,

 On 19 Jul 2009, at 10:51, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

  Hi,

 not sure why Caroline's email didn't reached IAEP, wrong email address?

 On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 02:17, Caryl Bigenhocbige...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Caroline,

 I agree that content is something we desperately need for Sugar and the
 XO.
 But, I don't quite understand your proposal.  Is Innovations For Learning
 offering us their software for free to adapt?


 They have offered at least some of it. More may come but I don't know
 about it yet. See:


 http://blog.tomeuvizoso.net/2009/05/progress-on-sugar-activities-with-swf.html

  If so, what language is it
 in?


 Flash, developed specifically to run on Gnash.

  Is the source code available?


 Yes, though in the .fla format that as far as I know can only be
 edited with the proprietary tools from Adobe.

  Or, is this something you think our volunteer programmers should try to
 reverse-engineer and create for Sugar and the XO?


 Well, what I would like to see (but may not be what Caroline had in
 mind) is someone with access to the Adobe tools and some Flash
 knowledge to debug the EatBoom swf file and see why the game is not
 progressing to the next levels after the first three or so sums have
 been completed.


 Just looking...

 :-( damn and blast... The .SWF played on my Mac also fails to progress
 levels.

 :-( double damn and blast... I have MX2004 (which is really Flash v7 if you
 ignore the annoying marketing naming fluff). The eatboom .FLA was last saved
 by someone using Flash v9 on Windows (needed a binary hex editor to find
 that out) and will not open here – so there's no way I can fix – pity this
 level of content could have been compatible with Flash v4!

 :-( triple damn and blast... I used a (recent) flash de-compiler to convert
 the .SWF into a v7 .FLA. I can access all the project/code/media, but the
 levels still didn't progress (though I could always get through the exit).
 There should be 3 levels (see attached images), and two game over
 (failure/success):


Hmm, any chance its not supposed to progress automatically? Maybe it is
waiting for something from the Classroom Management System before it allows
you to go on to the next level?




 Oh well, I did try. Anyone else have the latest Flash IDE want to give it a
 shot? I did notice (though this may be an issue related to version
 incompatibility) that the levels are often impossible to complete. Your
 'slug' can only pick up a number for a short amount of time, so if the
 correct answer appears away from the door you can never get it to the exit
 in time...

 FWIW, the .swf should play directly in a web browser with the Flash plug-in
 to test, does this game actually play through the levels for anyone? I've
 tested without luck in Safari with the latest Adobe Flash plug-in and
 several other older stand alone Flash players. Here's the URL:


 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/eatboom/repos/mainline/blobs/raw/5b9c64cb13145b0d90377a354d625afec14f1716/EatBoom.swf

 Regards,
 --Gary

 P.S. If any one's interested :-) this was the main reason I stopped
 developing with Flash (did it for about 5yrs professionally). Macromedia,
 and maybe now Adobe used to mess with developers every ~2 years by breaking
 their binary save formats, stopping the new IDE release from saving older
 versions, and usually triggering a re-write of a good portion of your source
 due to API breaks. It was great for one off short 'disposable' projects that
 only had to be maintained for ~6 months, but a real pain if you had to keep
 things working over a few years.





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Re: [Sugar-devel] Gnash gtk+ widget support

2009-07-19 Thread Caroline Meeks


 Knowing nothing about Flash development, I wonder how difficult it
 would be to write the game from scratch in Python instead...

 It would be worth having solid Gnash support, but I would rather our
 energies went into helping build a solid set of Python examples than
 Flash examples...


Maybe more data would help us decide.  Can you ask them for a list of all
the content they are willing to share with us so we can understand how much
we'd be rewriting?

Based on conversations with Prof. Kim I think they have K-2 Spanish reading
and math as well as English and I think they have some public health
content.

If they do have public health content and they are willing to share it, we
should see if we can get copies for our Doctor in the Philippines to review.

Caroline





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Re: [Sugar-devel] updating from aslo

2009-07-17 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:

 2009/7/16 David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org:
  A possible answer would be to abstract ALSOParse.py and microformat.py
  as back ends for Sugar-Update-Control (SUC).

 It's not so much the issue of losing support for the existing
 widely-deployed setup (although that would be unfortunate), it's that
 this seems to lack design. The microformat-style update (along with
 certain characteristics of the updater and server implementation) is
 not perfect, but it is good for field use and G1G1 style internet
 users.

 The motivation for moving to aslo seems to be only that of because
 it's running on sugarlabs.org, without consideration for any
 technical pros or cons of the different format, how it might be
 deployed in the field, etc. I think you should take a more detailed
 approach to this, without limiting yourself to the quirks and current
 behaviour of the aslo code.


+1

Do we have use cases for this?  It seems like this is sorta like a bunch of
other thngs we need to enable.

Off the top of my head


   - Teacher shares a file with a class
   - Teacher shares a file or lesson plan or student work sample with other
   teachers
   - Student shares with classmate for peer review
   - Student shares with teacher for assessment (need an easy way for
   teachers to see all students work)
   - Student shares with outside world
   - Student shares with school community
   - Teacher or student gets an activity for Sugar
   - Teacher or Student learns what is possible with Sugar from examples
   - Students or classes of students collaobrate to co-create projects

All different, but it would be good if the end users felt there was some
consistant logic to how they did these tasks which may well be related in
their minds.





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Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-17 Thread Caroline Meeks
We can put it in front of actual kids once you get a sample working.  We
could even try playing the video for our existing classes. I don't know if
they'll be able to give you feedback from just seeing the video.  Might be
interesting to find out.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.comwrote:

 Hi Tomeu,

 On 17 Jul 2009, at 09:52, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:

  Here are my image mock-ups for Write. All tabs are swapped out as is, for
 toolbar buttons. With no need to move existing tab content features
 about:


 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Proposals/Toolbars#Top_level_Activity_toolbar_for_Write


 These look really great! I would like to hear opinions from people who
 have worked with kids and Sugar.


 +1

  If they agree to move forward on this, I think we can go full speed ahead.


 Yes, we need that feedback! Having worked closely on these, I can't fairly
 comment, I'm in the box so to speak. We need feedback from other folks
 out side the box. Though I am happy to wave a flag and shout having the
 Stop button always visible at the top right of every Activity toolbar is a
 huge win ;-)

 My big criticism of the design is actually there's no text for the
 literate. I can see adults struggling more with this interface vs. lowering
 the bar a for the very young and/or illiterate.

 Secondary palettes still get their text labels, just like they do now,
 thank goodness. But, the primary tool buttons are all without text labels
 (good for ease of translation, but good icons are much harder to create than
 a text name).

  Thanks for the great work,


 Thanks, glad you like them :-)

 Regards,
 --Gary

 P.S. I've been trying to work through your [IAEP] future of the Sugar user
 experience email from 6 weeks or so back from a design point of view, think
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Share sugar objects on a standalone server

2009-07-17 Thread Caroline Meeks
Ack! I posted this to the wrong thread!  Sorry :(

Here are some ideas for use cases that we might want to think through.

Off the top of my head


   - Teacher shares a file with a class
   - Teacher shares a file or lesson plan or student work sample with other
   teachers
   - Student shares with classmate for peer review
   - Student shares with teacher for assessment (need an easy way for
   teachers to see all students work)
   - Student shares with outside world
   - Student shares with school community
   - Teacher or student gets an activity for Sugar
   - Teacher or Student learns what is possible with Sugar from examples
   - Students or classes of students collaobrate to co-create projects

All different, but it would be good if the end users felt there was some
consistent logic to how they did these tasks which may well be related in
their minds.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com
 wrote:

  Test case:
  1) Create a new TurtleArt activity
  2) Upload the new entry to the SL wiki using Browse
  3) Use Browse to download the entry back to Journal
  4) Resume it from Journal

 Thanks. That's something I missed. I'll add it to [[The undiscoverable]].

 However, when I tried uploading a TA session, the Wiki said,

 .gtar is not a permitted file type.

 Did we change from .tar.gz to .gtar in the Journal, or something like
 that, but not coordinate properly?

  This should ideally work for all Activities, then folks can actually
  start creating and distributing content/activities directly using
  Sugar, for other Sugar users.

 +1

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Share sugar objects on a standalone server

2009-07-17 Thread Caroline Meeks
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:

 Hi Caroline,

 On 17 Jul 2009, at 23:35, Caroline Meeks wrote:

  Ack! I posted this to the wrong thread!  Sorry :(

 Here are some ideas for use cases that we might want to think through.

 Off the top of my head

• Teacher shares a file with a class
• Teacher shares a file or lesson plan or student work sample with
 other teachers
• Student shares with classmate for peer review
• Student shares with teacher for assessment (need an easy way for
 teachers to see all students work)
• Student shares with outside world
• Student shares with school community
• Teacher or student gets an activity for Sugar
• Teacher or Student learns what is possible with Sugar from
 examples
• Students or classes of students collaobrate to co-create projects
 All different, but it would be good if the end users felt there was some
 consistent logic to how they did these tasks which may well be related in
 their minds.


 Could you list how a teacher/student currently accomplishes each of these
 cases? I have my own guesses for most (I think most would usually involve a
 school Windows file server and share disk space, or just not be allowed from
 the school point of view), but wanted to see if you have a list of current
 approaches for these.


At the GPA I think its not done at all. Kids use the computer lab for an
hour a week and use a web site to play educational games.

At LGF, they have macs and they have a web based class management system
written by a programmer out in western MA.  More or less like Moodle.  I'm
not sure how many of these use cases it supports.

One high school I visited had a sign up in the computer lab reminding kids
to email their work to themselves on their gmail accounts.  My high schooler
tends to use this technique also.  Teachers sometimes have him email files
to turn in assignments.  I think in one class he used google docs.

So I think email and web sites are the current way these tasks are done, in
the rare instances they occur.

I am copying Server Devel as I suspect our vision if for the  XS will
support many of these use cases.



 Regards,
 --Gary


  On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com
 wrote:

  Test case:
  1) Create a new TurtleArt activity
  2) Upload the new entry to the SL wiki using Browse
  3) Use Browse to download the entry back to Journal
  4) Resume it from Journal

 Thanks. That's something I missed. I'll add it to [[The undiscoverable]].

 However, when I tried uploading a TA session, the Wiki said,

 .gtar is not a permitted file type.

 Did we change from .tar.gz to .gtar in the Journal, or something like
 that, but not coordinate properly?

  This should ideally work for all Activities, then folks can actually
  start creating and distributing content/activities directly using
  Sugar, for other Sugar users.

 +1

  Regards,
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