2010/6/9 Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc
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On 06/09/2010 08:11 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
As far as I know, Browse is still the only hulahop user on this planet,
so it's not like we need to keep it around for API compatibility.
Click to change stroke color: = Outline
Click to change fill color: = Body
These are OK (ie, I vote -0), but personally, I'd go with Outline and
Fill. I think that kids understand fill just as well, and it has the
advantage of being the more technically-correct term.
2009/6/4 Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:31:03PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote:
I am not knowledgeable about the present state of D-Bus isolation in
Rainbow, but if it is insufficient it should be fixed in Rainbow, not in
Realistically, Sugarbot and Develop should ideally be coordinated. I can't
make a commitment to revive sugarbot, but I can say that if someone does the
work to get Sugarbot working I'll do some work to integrate it with Develop.
And I'll be appropriately impressed and grateful to whoever steps
Well, if the frame always auto-hid after 10 seconds, and the delay for
idle-suspend was 15 seconds, then it would work. I personally believe that
the frame should be hidden more agressively - whenever there's a user action
that doesn't address it, and after a longish timeout around 10 seconds. In
Anything else is just hacks on top of hacks.
I disagree. Personally, I think auto-hiding the frame after a delay is a
clean solution that's desirable anyway. But I do agree that the decision of
whether to hide the frame or not should not be based on stopped clocks.
ubiquity is a small gain, noted; if you mean discoverability, I disagree and
would like to hear you elaborate your argument.
Also, since I'm coding, tough is a weak criticism.
Anyway, just some quick comments:
On 1 May 2009, at 03:28, Jameson Quinn wrote:
I am interested
Eben, I'd like your comments on the discoverable/floaty-letters idea too.
2009/5/1 Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com
I'd vote for caps lock. This is, of course, somewhat more radical than
of my other suggestions, so needs discussion.
Hmmm, not sure. It seems to me that if the
2009/5/1 Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:48:08AM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
OK, the grand unified proposal for these, after discussion on IRC and the
f,j,r,s,v,p,o - frame, journal, rotate, say, view source, screenshot
I don't see how the alt keys are more consistent - I'll have to
re-read the proposal and the definition of consistency.
ctrl (and all modifier combos including it): application shortcuts
alt: global sugar shortcuts
I don't see why they're more discoverable, either - and my point you
Sorry, seemed to have missed a conversation here, what's with idea that
alt keys are not getting through to Sugar for emulators/Macs? I run
sugar-jhbuild here in F10 under VirtualBox on a Mac, and Soas images as
well. No problem with alt keys that I'm aware of.
I have no experience in this
I am interested in making our keyboard shortcuts discoverable, ubiquitous,
and consistent. This is especially important because of the approximately
half a million demon-possessed trackpads that OLPC has shipped (not blaming;
I thought that the resistive pad was a cool idea too, in fact, it's
Oops. Sorry, I didn't know that tab was send in this gmail's keyboard
shortcuts. Resend, more complete at bottom.
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A few more little things which I didn't include in messages 0.9 and 1.0
-Insert key as frame key would not currently work in Xephyr. Xephyr hears
keycode 0 when you hit insert, which should be invalid. You cannot set 0x00
as an accelerator because eggaccelerators.c lines 350-352 explicitly catch
for this gesture, I seriously appreciate this.
The least we could do, in the circumstances.
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com
I hope we can do this for you, and would be really happy if it comes
through. However, as much as it pains me, I think you
OK, we just had an animated conversation on IRC in which almost nothing was
Here's my refined proposal based on that conversation.
Print preview option in journal
Uses cups filters to convert to PDF
Set of cups filters available is distribution dependent. An officially
Ooops, I forgot. In my proposal, local printing would be done by a separate
activity which handled only PDFs. Many deployments would never install this
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.comwrote:
OK, we just had an animated conversation
Vamsi, for your reference, here is the discussion on IRC in which nobody
agreed on anything, but we all wanted to take over design of your project.
We're just being enthusiastic, and there's some significant degree of
I definitely like this idea. It is a fun way for kids to provide information
services such as technical support. I would give it a simple eliza-like
engine and let the kids go crazy with it.
Of course, should you be accepted for GSoC, your primary responsibility
would be to your project...
of my proposal, and
it is not modified after the deadline. Could Google consider this copy?
Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício
Antes de imprimir, pense em sua responsabilidade social e com o MEIO
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Jameson Quinn
Nathalia, I am truly sorry, but since you did not get your application into
Google's web app by the deadline, we are unable to consider you for Google
Summer of Code. However, we would be happy if you are still interested in
doing the project, and could probably assign you an unofficial mentor
It sounds as if your proposal is not so much an activity as the ability to
screencast whatever you're doing on the XO, p2p. And it would be even better
if the watchers had the ability to participate. Chris Ball has already made
a prototype of something like
3 months is a very short period to bring not only 2 but 4 people to work
together across multiple time zones.
I brought this up on #gsoc yesterday, and LH (the top authority) was
somewhat skeptical about any coordination. I said we would leave it up to
the students involved, and she said that
Subzero http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma, you have
Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan
and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are.
Bryan, you should include Lucian in your
Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google.
So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the
same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well.
OTOH, the more applicants we get, the more slots we are likely to
If the projects can be made to work 100% independently and yet still
complement each other, then we are good.
That was the idea of my suggestion. 20% redundancy, 80% separate; with a
step of choose whichever version of the redundant stuff is better on day
X. If one side flakes out, the other
until the deadline on April 3.
Sugar-devel mailing list
It seems you are missing some undeclared dependencies. Try adding
libpopt-dev, zip, unzip, python-gnome2, python-gnome2-desktop; I found these
in an old version of the jhbuild page,
I know very little about AJAX, and less about Flash. But I was under the
especially if you're talking about non-UI aspects such as file and disk
access. Would this not mean that much of the effort to create datastore and
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benson
Jameson Quinn wrote:
Implementing a whole spreadsheet is a big enough chore. We do really care
about collaboration, but I would advise you to limit your ambitions to
something achievable, so worrying too
development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python
Bryan W. Berry
OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when
Hey Divya, I guess your email fell through the cracks. Sorry about that.
We would welcome you to apply for GSoC this year, assuming we get in. We'll
know about that in about 4 hours. Meanwhile, you can look at our ideas list:
Currently, there are only two graphical scales for Sugar: 72 (smaller
elements) and 100 (larger elements). I guess that there is still enough
bitmaps or hand-tuning that you can't just scale your whole gtk theme with
impunity. The choice between these scales is made with $SUGAR_SCALING ,
://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana
is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good
job of sponsoring open-source development.
Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all
apps place of flash.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu
Your Sugar Labs (a member of the Software Freedom Conservancy)
organization application for Google Summer of Code 2009 has been accepted.
For full instructions on how to create a home page and best practices for
creating it, please see our User's Guide at
It's true that most new organizations are capped at two slots, and that
there are 20% fewer slots overall this year than last. On the other hand, we
are not most new organizations, and generally number of slots is
proportional to number of applicants. If everybody on this list helps get
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote:
2009/3/8 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com:
No definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems
that both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO
should go in OLPC
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
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Jameson Quinn wrote:
Honestly, this is news to me. (and I am the co-administrator of the
Sugarlabs program). If I had to articulate my view of our
My fourth priority is other educational activities. There are
ideas http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ProjectIdeas out
Just to add to what Mel said: a good application also means a good ideas
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote:
We're going to be submitting our organization's GSoC application in ~24
hours, so this
Mentoring organization applications for GSoC are due Mar 9-13, so Sugarlabs
have got to get our $#!* together. We need more than 4
a better list of project
ideas for how to bring
We now have about 3 weeks (until March 13th) to get together a Sugarlabs
application to be a mentoring organization for Google Summer of Code. As the
the application consists of the following parts
Assuming you are accepted as a mentoring organization, your number of
student slots would be based on overall popularity as with all other
organizations. There's full documentation available here that may be helpful
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