Re: [Sugar-devel] Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.

2010-06-09 Thread Jameson Quinn
2010/6/9 Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/09/2010 08:11 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: As far as I know, Browse is still the only hulahop user on this planet, so it's not like we need to keep it around for API compatibility. Actually, hulahop

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Feature] [DESIGN] Enhanced Color Selector

2010-02-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
Click to change stroke color: = Outline Click to change fill color: = Body These are OK (ie, I vote -0), but personally, I'd go with Outline and Fill. I think that kids understand fill just as well, and it has the advantage of being the more technically-correct term. Jameson

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC] progress report

2009-06-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
2009/6/4 Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:31:03PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: I am not knowledgeable about the present state of D-Bus isolation in Rainbow, but if it is insufficient it should be fixed in Rainbow, not in the browser. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Re: Reviving Sugarbot

2009-05-20 Thread Jameson Quinn
Realistically, Sugarbot and Develop should ideally be coordinated. I can't make a commitment to revive sugarbot, but I can say that if someone does the work to get Sugarbot working I'll do some work to integrate it with Develop. And I'll be appropriately impressed and grateful to whoever steps

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-03 Thread Jameson Quinn
Well, if the frame always auto-hid after 10 seconds, and the delay for idle-suspend was 15 seconds, then it would work. I personally believe that the frame should be hidden more agressively - whenever there's a user action that doesn't address it, and after a longish timeout around 10 seconds. In

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-03 Thread Jameson Quinn
Anything else is just hacks on top of hacks. I disagree. Personally, I think auto-hiding the frame after a delay is a clean solution that's desirable anyway. But I do agree that the decision of whether to hide the frame or not should not be based on stopped clocks. Jameson

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
that ubiquity is a small gain, noted; if you mean discoverability, I disagree and would like to hear you elaborate your argument. Also, since I'm coding, tough is a weak criticism. Anyway, just some quick comments: and responses On 1 May 2009, at 03:28, Jameson Quinn wrote: I am interested

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
Eben, I'd like your comments on the discoverable/floaty-letters idea too. 2009/5/1 Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com I'd vote for caps lock. This is, of course, somewhat more radical than most of my other suggestions, so needs discussion. Hmmm, not sure. It seems to me that if the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
2009/5/1 Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:48:08AM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: OK, the grand unified proposal for these, after discussion on IRC and the above is: f,j,r,s,v,p,o - frame, journal, rotate, say, view source, screenshot (print), overlay

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
I don't see how the alt keys are more consistent - I'll have to re-read the proposal and the definition of consistency. ctrl (and all modifier combos including it): application shortcuts alt: global sugar shortcuts I don't see why they're more discoverable, either - and my point you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Jameson Quinn
Sorry, seemed to have missed a conversation here, what's with idea that alt keys are not getting through to Sugar for emulators/Macs? I run sugar-jhbuild here in F10 under VirtualBox on a Mac, and Soas images as well. No problem with alt keys that I'm aware of. I have no experience in this

[Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-04-30 Thread Jameson Quinn
I am interested in making our keyboard shortcuts discoverable, ubiquitous, and consistent. This is especially important because of the approximately half a million demon-possessed trackpads that OLPC has shipped (not blaming; I thought that the resistive pad was a cool idea too, in fact, it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-04-30 Thread Jameson Quinn
Oops. Sorry, I didn't know that tab was send in this gmail's keyboard shortcuts. Resend, more complete at bottom. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com Date: 2009/4/30 Subject: Keyboard shortcuts To: sugar-devel sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org I am

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-04-30 Thread Jameson Quinn
A few more little things which I didn't include in messages 0.9 and 1.0 -Insert key as frame key would not currently work in Xephyr. Xephyr hears keycode 0 when you hit insert, which should be invalid. You cannot set 0x00 as an accelerator because eggaccelerators.c lines 350-352 explicitly catch

Re: [Sugar-devel] Kartik - internship outside GSoC

2009-04-26 Thread Jameson Quinn
for this gesture, I seriously appreciate this. The least we could do, in the circumstances. Jameson On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: I hope we can do this for you, and would be really happy if it comes through. However, as much as it pains me, I think you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
OK, we just had an animated conversation on IRC in which almost nothing was generally agreed-on. Here's my refined proposal based on that conversation. Print preview option in journal Uses cups filters to convert to PDF Set of cups filters available is distribution dependent. An officially print

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
Ooops, I forgot. In my proposal, local printing would be done by a separate activity which handled only PDFs. Many deployments would never install this separate activity. On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.comwrote: OK, we just had an animated conversation

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Jameson Quinn
Vamsi, for your reference, here is the discussion on IRC in which nobody agreed on anything, but we all wanted to take over design of your project. We're just being enthusiastic, and there's some significant degree of bike-shedding http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_Law_of_Trivialityhere.

Re: [Sugar-devel] A bot activity for sugar

2009-04-14 Thread Jameson Quinn
I definitely like this idea. It is a fun way for kids to provide information services such as technical support. I would give it a simple eliza-like engine and let the kids go crazy with it. Of course, should you be accepted for GSoC, your primary responsibility would be to your project...

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Proposal of Google Summer of Code

2009-04-05 Thread Jameson Quinn
of my proposal, and it is not modified after the deadline. Could Google consider this copy? Regards, Nathalia Sautchuk PatrĂ­cio http://febracev.wordpress.com/ Antes de imprimir, pense em sua responsabilidade social e com o MEIO AMBIENTE. On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Jameson Quinn

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Proposal of Google Summer of Code

2009-04-04 Thread Jameson Quinn
Nathalia, I am truly sorry, but since you did not get your application into Google's web app by the deadline, we are unable to consider you for Google Summer of Code. However, we would be happy if you are still interested in doing the project, and could probably assign you an unofficial mentor

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-02 Thread Jameson Quinn
It sounds as if your proposal is not so much an activity as the ability to screencast whatever you're doing on the XO, p2p. And it would be even better if the watchers had the ability to participate. Chris Ball has already made a prototype of something like

Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity

2009-03-27 Thread Jameson Quinn
3 months is a very short period to bring not only 2 but 4 people to work together across multiple time zones. I brought this up on #gsoc yesterday, and LH (the top authority) was somewhat skeptical about any coordination. I said we would leave it up to the students involved, and she said that

Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity

2009-03-26 Thread Jameson Quinn
Subzero http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma, you have competitionhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit . Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for talk between Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same ideas you are. Bryan, you should include Lucian in your

Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity

2009-03-26 Thread Jameson Quinn
Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll get from Google. So you are not only competing against those who submit a proposal for the same idea, you are competing against all the other project ideas as well. OTOH, the more applicants we get, the more slots we are likely to

Re: [Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity

2009-03-26 Thread Jameson Quinn
If the projects can be made to work 100% independently and yet still complement each other, then we are good. That was the idea of my suggestion. 20% redundancy, 80% separate; with a step of choose whichever version of the redundant stuff is better on day X. If one side flakes out, the other

[Sugar-devel] GSoC applications open until April 3 - Please continue to promote Sugarlabs GSoC

2009-03-24 Thread Jameson Quinn
until the deadline on April 3. Cheers, Jameson Quinn ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] jhbuild hangs

2009-03-24 Thread Jameson Quinn
It seems you are missing some undeclared dependencies. Try adding libpopt-dev, zip, unzip, python-gnome2, python-gnome2-desktop; I found these in an old version of the jhbuild page, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Development_Team/Jhbuildoldid=21330#Dealing_with_dependencies Jameson On

Re: [Sugar-devel] SWF Sugar

2009-03-23 Thread Jameson Quinn
I know very little about AJAX, and less about Flash. But I was under the impression that Actionscript was somewhat compatible with Javascript, especially if you're talking about non-UI aspects such as file and disk access. Would this not mean that much of the effort to create datastore and

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-23 Thread Jameson Quinn
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benson benson.garri...@gmail.comwrote: Jameson Quinn wrote: Implementing a whole spreadsheet is a big enough chore. We do really care about collaboration, but I would advise you to limit your ambitions to something achievable, so worrying too

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs

2009-03-18 Thread Jameson Quinn
development skills are extremely limited beyond writing broken python scripts. -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 15:37 -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: Flash is still not open source, and that creates issues when

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for gsoc 2009

2009-03-18 Thread Jameson Quinn
Hey Divya, I guess your email fell through the cracks. Sorry about that. We would welcome you to apply for GSoC this year, assuming we get in. We'll know about that in about 4 hours. Meanwhile, you can look at our ideas list: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas Good luck,

[Sugar-devel] graphical scaling decision?

2009-03-18 Thread Jameson Quinn
Currently, there are only two graphical scales for Sugar: 72 (smaller elements) and 100 (larger elements). I guess that there is still enough bitmaps or hand-tuning that you can't just scale your whole gtk theme with impunity. The choice between these scales is made with $SUGAR_SCALING , which is

Re: [Sugar-devel] idea for GSoC project

2009-03-18 Thread Jameson Quinn
://www.aptana.com. The great thing about aptana is that there is for-profit company behind it that seems to do a good job of sponsoring open-source development. Also, Apple, Palm, and maybe Android are pushing for js+html5 for all apps place of flash. On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs in GSoC (Fwd: Congratulations!)

2009-03-18 Thread Jameson Quinn
Jameson Quinn, Your Sugar Labs (a member of the Software Freedom Conservancy) organization application for Google Summer of Code 2009 has been accepted. ... For full instructions on how to create a home page and best practices for creating it, please see our User's Guide at http://socghop.appspot.com

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Priorities and Ideas (for GSoC)

2009-03-14 Thread Jameson Quinn
It's true that most new organizations are capped at two slots, and that there are 20% fewer slots overall this year than last. On the other hand, we are not most new organizations, and generally number of slots is proportional to number of applicants. If everybody on this list helps get people to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Google summer of Code?

2009-03-13 Thread Jameson Quinn
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 1:56 AM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: 2009/3/8 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com: No definite agreement has been made, but in preliminary chats, it seems that both organizations agree that anything for XS or specific to XO hardware should go in OLPC

Re: [Sugar-devel] Google summer of Code?

2009-03-13 Thread Jameson Quinn
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jameson Quinn wrote: Honestly, this is news to me. (and I am the co-administrator of the Sugarlabs program). If I had to articulate my view of our

Re: [Sugar-devel] Priorities and Ideas (for GSoC)

2009-03-13 Thread Jameson Quinn
My fourth priority is other educational activities. There are hundredshttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:Software_ideas of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Educational_activity_ideas goodhttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/Category:GSoC_proposals ideas http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ProjectIdeas out

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GSoC application about to be sent in: last call for checks

2009-03-11 Thread Jameson Quinn
Just to add to what Mel said: a good application also means a good ideas page http://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas. Jameson On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote: We're going to be submitting our organization's GSoC application in ~24 hours, so this

[Sugar-devel] Sugar GSoC meeting- wed 17:00 UTC/12:00 EST

2009-03-02 Thread Jameson Quinn
Mentoring organization applications for GSoC are due Mar 9-13, so Sugarlabs have got to get our $#!* together. We need more than 4 mentorshttp://sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/Mentors, a better list of project ideashttp://sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/ProjectIdeas, ideas for how to bring

[Sugar-devel] GSoC mentors. Also ideas for projects and community-cementing processes.

2009-02-17 Thread Jameson Quinn
We now have about 3 weeks (until March 13th) to get together a Sugarlabs application to be a mentoring organization for Google Summer of Code. As the FAQhttp://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html#0_1_org_app_08250740394219425_says, the application consists of the following parts

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugarlabs and GSOC

2009-01-22 Thread Jameson Quinn
Assuming you are accepted as a mentoring organization, your number of student slots would be based on overall popularity as with all other organizations. There's full documentation available here that may be helpful to you: