Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities not compatible with Sugar-0.90

2011-01-19 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:

 Daniel,
 Why not use the wiki like in
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1/10.1.3 ?
 I know is more work maintain the version for every activity, but we can
 help with this.

 This is not the best way to go, due to various reasons, one of them is that
actvities.sugarlabs.org
has filters of edition, wikis are designed to be fully open,  but in our
case could be dangerous, there are examples like doom, these violent games
with the availability to be downloaded  as  activities generate controversy
among teachers and parents (and also high the alarms between education
officials of countries).

Also people can put non-free activities there which we cannot distribute.
Other advantage is that ASLO is controlled by the same activity authors not
by third parties.



 regards,






 Gonzalo


 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:

 On 18 January 2011 22:46, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
  Originally, there was no way to pin particular versions in collections.
  One would always get the latest version flagged to work on your browser.
  Which is exactly what you're asking for. I'm not sure what's currently
  missing server-side, but it shouldn't be hard to do.

 We already have that, in a different format, which works fine:

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/services/update-aslo.php?id=ACTIVITYappVersion=0.90

 And it sounds like this (plus pestering of activity authors and/or use
 of admin power to correct compatibility info) is the best thing we
 have right now, even though both you and Aleksey don't fully see it as
 within the role of activities.sugarlabs.org (which I can understand
 too, but am left without somewhere else to turn).

 Daniel



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Git introductory material (Fwd: git top links: 2011-1)

2011-01-19 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Nice links, these should be also in the wiki somewhere.



Rafael Ortiz


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:11 AM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sascha,

 The FLOSS Manual Make Your Own Sugar Activities! has a chapter on
 using Git for Activity development.  The chapter has extensive screen
 shots and covers material like setting up SSH.  Unfortunately, the
 FLOSS Manuals website seems to be having issues this morning, but when
 it comes back up you should be able to find the chapter and link to
 it.

 James Simmons


 On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Sascha Silbe
 sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote:
  Hi!
 
  The need for introductory material on git comes up regularly (e.g.
  [2] - that's why I CCed you, Art). It would be nice if someone not
  quite as familiar with git as I am would check whether any of the guides
  mentioned below is a good fit for Sugar Labs and adjust the wiki
  accordingly.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Sascha
 
  [2]
 http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-December/029304.html
 
  --- Begin forwarded message from Felipe Contreras ---
  From: Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com
  To: git g...@vger.kernel.org
  Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 00:09:04 +0100
  Subject: git top links: 2011-1
 
  Hi,
 
  git top links is my attempt to gather all the links people have been
  tagging as git in delicious.com[1] (these are not chosen by me).
 
  Here are four months into one.
 
  The fancier blog version is here:
  http://gitlog.wordpress.com/2011/01/16/git-top-links-2010-1-2/
 
  = New =
 
  1. Tower, the most powerful Git client for Mac (89)
  Interesting new and powerful git client
  http://www.git-tower.com/
 
  2. Introductory Guide to Git Version Control System (51)
  Thorough indoductory guide
 
 http://sixrevisions.com/web-development/introductory-guide-to-git-version-control-system/
 
  3. A collection of useful .gitignore templates (45)
  C, C++, Python, every language has different common .gitignore templates
  https://github.com/github/gitignore
 
  4. The Designer’s Guide to Git or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and
  Love the Repository. (24)
 
 http://blogs.sitepoint.com/2010/10/23/the-designers-guide-to-git-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-repository/
 
  5. Git info in your ZSH Prompt (21)
  http://briancarper.net/blog/570/git-info-in-your-zsh-prompt
 
  6. Git Supervisual Cheatsheet (16)
  Simple and colorful cheatsheet
  http://panela.blog-city.com/git_supervisual_cheatsheet.htm
 
  7. Classy Git (15)
  Another great presentation from Scott Chacon
  http://git-tips.heroku.com/#1
 
  8. Get Started with Git (14)
  Very nice article introducing Git and DSCM in general by Al Shaw
  http://www.alistapart.com/articles/get-started-with-git/
 
  9. Gitifier; Git commit notifier for MacOSX (14)
  http://psionides.github.com/gitifier/
 
  10. Getting Good with Git! (28)
  http://rockablepress.com/books/getting-good-with-git/
 
  11. git-achievements: Earn geeky merit badges while learning Git (13)
 
 http://thechangelog.com/post/1200486354/git-achievements-aquire-achievements-while-using-git
 
  12. RubyDrop (12)
  RubyDrop is my first ever Ruby project that aims to be an
  open-source, roll-your-own, Dropbox clone. It uses Git as the backend
  for file tracking and remote syncing.
  https://github.com/meltingice/RubyDrop
 
  13. gitmodel (12)
  An ActiveModel-compliant persistence framework for Ruby that uses Git
  for versioning and remote syncing.
  https://github.com/pauldowman/gitmodel
 
  14. Slaying dragons with git, bash, and ruby (11)
  Tricks to use git hooks to prevent bad commits
  http://rubypond.com/blog/slaying-dragons-git-bash-ruby
 
  15. libgit2 (11)
  libgit2 is a portable, pure C implementation of the Git core methods
  provided as a re-entrant linkable library with a solid API, allowing
  you to write native speed custom Git applications in any language
  which supports C bindings.
  http://libgit2.github.com/
 
  16. Version Control for Designers (10)
  http://hoth.entp.com/output/git_for_designers.html
 
  = Japanese =
 
  1.  (23)
  http://d.hatena.ne.jp/yuroyoro/20101008/1286531851
 
  2.  (11)
  http://d.hatena.ne.jp/mzp/20101118/hooks
 
  3.  (9)
  http://d.hatena.ne.jp/bleis-tift/20100922/1285140344
 
  [1] http://delicious.com/tag/git
 
  --- End forwarded message ---
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities not compatible with Sugar-0.90

2011-01-17 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:



 On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:

 On 17 January 2011 21:17, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
  Daniel
  I did a test with your image OS4,
 
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Godiard/Activities_for_F14#Activities_test_in_OS4

 Thanks, I assume you found some of the ones in my list to be working?
 If so, please mark them as 0.90 compatible on activities.sugarlabs.org

 Thanks,
 Daniel


 I can't. I think every maintainer must do the change.


Right every maintainer has to make that change in ASLO.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Activities not compatible with Sugar-0.90

2011-01-17 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi



On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.orgwrote:

 On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 17:11 -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote:
 
  I can't. I think every maintainer must do the change.
 
  Right every maintainer has to make that change in ASLO.

 Aren't you an aslo admin? You can change any activity.


Right!, i was forgotting those powers ;), I'll be testing
those activities for sugar 0.9 and making changes on ASLO.



 For the record, the current aslo admins are:

 Tomeu Vizoso
 Wade Brainerd
 Simon Schampijer
 Mick Weiss
 Gary Martin
 david farning
 Walter Bender
 Sebastian Dziallas
 Rafael Ortiz
 Aleksey Lim
 Pablo Flores
 Bernie Innocenti
 josh  [j...@tucson-labs.com]
 Thomas Gilliard
 Stefan Unterhauser
 Anish Mangal
 Sascha Silbe

 The activity editors are:

 Tomeu Vizoso
 Simon Schampijer
 Gary Martin
 Sebastian Dziallas
 Luke Faraone
 Rafael Ortiz
 James Simmons
 Aleksey Lim
 Activity Team

 We should probably cleanup both lists from people who are no longer
 actively working on ASLO.

 As always, if anyone would like to help us maintaining ASLO or any other
 service provided by Sugar Labs, just let one of the Infrastructure Team
 members know. We hire volunteers after a short interview to ensure
 that they have the necessary technical skills and they intend to take
 the job seriously. Of course, when you run out of free time you can step
 down (responsibly!) from your role.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] testing OS860 - Activity Radio

2011-01-15 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Translating Kevin message..in case somebody know the cause of this
problem.

..I made other test with radio-4.xo
but it seems that i cannot reproduce kid's songs that are
in mp3 format on their usb keys.
In last version CeybalRadio-3.xo  could reproduce mp3.
attached activity logs.




2011/1/14 Kevin Mauricio Benavides Castro kmbc141...@gmail.com

 realize otra prueba con la actividad radio-4.xo

 pero al parecer no puedo reproducir las canciones de los niños que tiene en
 las USB que son formato mp3.

 en la version pasada CeybalRadio-3.xo podia reproducir mp3.

 y los logs de la actividad




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Re: [Sugar-devel] TurtleBlocks driving lego NXT 2.0 -

2011-01-07 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Martin


On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
 raf...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  Not enterely related but some of us were working on
  an arduino TA conection (now only working serially),
  the next step  is to be able to program the arduino chip,
  downloading bytecode generated from TA.

 Rafael -- and whomever is working on this Arduino project --

 is there a standard-ish Arduino robot + sensots kit I can buy? I don't
 want to spend time playing with the robot itself, but if we are
 collaborating on this between NXT and Arduino kit, it'll be good to
 have an Arduino kit.


No that i know, best shot for now is hacking or working with
handmade analogue and digital sensors, like the ones used for turtle-art
sensors.

(CCed Juan Manuel Betancourt whow we were working to have an standard
arduino robotics kit called hypercube)




  cheers,


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  - ask interesting questions
  - don't get distracted with shiny stuff  - working code first
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TurtleBlocks driving lego NXT 2.0 -

2011-01-04 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Not enterely related but some of us were working on
an arduino TA conection (now only working serially),
the next step  is to be able to program the arduino chip,
downloading bytecode generated from TA.

Months ago We've found a project called blocos (
http://babuinoproject.blogspot.com/) that uses a
pyCricketLogo compiler   that can be adjusted to TA in order to be able to
program chips.



Rafael Ortiz


On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Martin Langhoff
 martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
   - NBC/NXC is the most popular tool by all accounts, actively

 RPM at http://dev.laptop.org/~martin/nbc/

   - There is a python module for it, but it's for Python 2.4, looks
  unmaintained, seems very limited in features and it's not clear

 nxt_python is in Fedora actually, has been for a long time.

 cheers,



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Re: [Sugar-devel] TurtleBlocks driving lego NXT 2.0 -

2011-01-04 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
 raf...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
  Not enterely related but some of us were working on
  an arduino TA conection (now only working serially),

 That's cool! Very related!

 Walter mentioned your in private email. From what I see, for both
 Arduino and NXT we need

  - A special mode that loads and shows some special blocks, hides the
 Turtle, and offers compile-and-copy-to-robot buttons. We need to
 make our own blocks and compile/copy support, but the special mode
 might need some support from TA itself.

  - An exporter -- in your case to Arduino, in my case to NXT. I am
 looking at the talogo.py src, and plan to  export some NXC.

 cheers,


That's exactly what's needed, intersection from both projects is the TA gui
part, and the difference is the exporter. I'll keep you in the loop if any
advance comes from my behalf.











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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Election] Membership and candidate lists finalized

2010-11-12 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks for getting this done. It is great to have such a strong
 candidate list and the addition of so many new members.

 -walter


Welcome to all new members!.

Rafael Ortiz


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Re: [Sugar-devel] anonymous ASLO messages

2010-11-09 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi all



On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:18:48PM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20:22AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
   On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:51:51AM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:23:46PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 09:53:18AM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
  These announcements from activities.sugarlabs.org of new
 releases are
  sent without any included identity of the person who did the
 release.
 
  Could activities.sugarlabs.org please be changed to include the
 releaser
  in these messages?

 The problem is that uploaders don't include release notes. The
 proper
 fix might be do not accept them (from uploading checks), so patches
 are
 welcome :).
   
No, I think you misunderstand.  My observation has nothing to do with
whether release notes are present in the mail message.
   
Where's the code?
  
   http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/slo-activities
   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Devel/Installing
 
  The file site/app/views/editors/email/aslo/release_en_plain.thtml
  contains what looks like the release messages, but I cannot see where it
  is used.  What is needed is the authenticated user's e-mail address.
 
   But keep in mind that current code is php/cake based and
   new ASLO will be based on new AMO python/django code. So, would be
   useful if patch is not invasive and might be applied w/o starting new
   development/testing/production cycle.
 
  That says to me, don't do anything, your effort will be wasted, nobody
  else cares about this problem.  Thanks for the warning.  I see no way
  forward.

 The thing is, we are using not supported AMO code base that have
 long standing bugs. Upstream has switched to django and we need to do
 the same. So, if you was thinking about easy hacking, then you was wrong ;)



from   AMO's Wiki [1] the migration is not yet complete:

''This project is currently underway, and will take some cycles to complete.
Bugs that take too much work to fix will likely be delayed until Zamboni is
completed, in order to prevent duplicate work when porting features.''

Zamboni [2] is the code name for the Django project.

[1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Editors/InfoEditors
[2]http://blog.fligtar.com/2010/01/15/amo-zamboni-planning-underway/









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Re: [Sugar-devel] anonymous ASLO messages

2010-11-09 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:

 On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 09:36:37PM -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
 wrote:
  Hi all
 
 
 
  On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org
 wrote:
 
   On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:18:48PM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:20:22AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 10:51:51AM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 11:23:46PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
   On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 09:53:18AM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
These announcements from activities.sugarlabs.org of new
   releases are
sent without any included identity of the person who did the
   release.
   
Could activities.sugarlabs.org please be changed to include
 the
   releaser
in these messages?
  
   The problem is that uploaders don't include release notes. The
   proper
   fix might be do not accept them (from uploading checks), so
 patches
   are
   welcome :).
 
  No, I think you misunderstand.  My observation has nothing to do
 with
  whether release notes are present in the mail message.
 
  Where's the code?

 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/slo-activities
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Library/Devel/Installing
   
The file site/app/views/editors/email/aslo/release_en_plain.thtml
contains what looks like the release messages, but I cannot see where
 it
is used.  What is needed is the authenticated user's e-mail address.
   
 But keep in mind that current code is php/cake based and
 new ASLO will be based on new AMO python/django code. So, would be
 useful if patch is not invasive and might be applied w/o starting
 new
 development/testing/production cycle.
   
That says to me, don't do anything, your effort will be wasted,
 nobody
else cares about this problem.  Thanks for the warning.  I see no
 way
forward.
  
   The thing is, we are using not supported AMO code base that have
   long standing bugs. Upstream has switched to django and we need to do
   the same. So, if you was thinking about easy hacking, then you was
 wrong ;)
  
 
 
  from   AMO's Wiki [1] the migration is not yet complete:
 
  ''This project is currently underway, and will take some cycles to
 complete.
  Bugs that take too much work to fix will likely be delayed until Zamboni
 is
  completed, in order to prevent duplicate work when porting features.''
 
  Zamboni [2] is the code name for the Django project.
 
  [1] https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Editors/InfoEditors
  [2]http://blog.fligtar.com/2010/01/15/amo-zamboni-planning-underway/

 Mozilla uses Zamboni in production
 https://wiki.mozilla.org/AMO:Developers



I was outdated then :(.


 And Remora page says Remora is no longer maintained
 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Update:Remora

 I have long running plans about close (but not in launchpad way)
 integration of SL services, Bazaar + ASLO + ...
 The first step (during 0.92 release cycle), I'm planing to do, will be
 switching ASLO to Zamboni (with keeping existed functionality).


it sounds like a good plan, great!.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Moving forward.

2010-10-25 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi David and all.



On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:30 PM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yesterday I sent a rather blunt email on my concerns about the
 project.  It seems the observations resonated with many people while
 striking several nerves.  The volume of private mail or CCed mail (to
 a subset of the Sugar Labs participants) responses was unexpectedly
 high.

 The five main themes of the responses are:
 1. Could you possibility be any more abstract?
 2. Several of the points are valid.  Here are my
 responses/suggestions. This should be on a public thread, but someone
 else will have to start it.
 3. The core problem is trust.
 4. This conversation is like an iceberg, the 'community' only sees
 10% and not the other 90%.
 5. Dave you are just a jerk, now shut up.

 For better of worse, all five points are valid.  I am a bumbling jerk
 who is struggling to rebuild community trust without airing anyone's
 dirty laundry, including my own.

 To put all of my cards on the table:
 1. The ideas driving OLPC and Sugar are sound.
 2. Sugar Labs will continue to fragment until the issue of trust is
 resolved.
 3. Because of this, I left Sugar Labs to start a business which
 provides service and support for Sugar.
 4. I need Sugar to succeed. I need OLPC to succeed.
 5. I have been trying to operate 'under the radar' because some in
 Sugar Labs and OLPC have contacted individuals I am working with and
 'suggested' that they not work with me.

 Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  I get pissed off about
 the lack of trust and community building in Sugar Labs, so I go off
 and form a fork which operates largely in secret.

 Two years ago, I suggested that the over sight board appoint Walter
 Bender as Executive Director of Sugar Labs so he would be able to
 speak on behalf of Sugar Labs.  He had three skills which Sugar Labs
 needed. 1) He was able to clearly and effectively communicate the
 goals of Sugar and the mission of Sugar Labs. 2) He was able to create
 an identity for Sugar Labs outside of OLPC. 3) He was a tireless
 advocate for Sugar.  In the past two years Sugar Labs has progressed,
 largely because of Walter.  The goal of sugar and Sugar labs is well
 understood. Sugar Labs has a clear identity.

 Now, Sugar Labs has different needs; pragmatic bridge building between
 individuals and organization.  It is time to look for someone with
 those particular skill to lead/herd Sugar Labs forward.  As such I
 would like to recommend that SLOB ask and appoint Adam Holt as the
 next Executive Director of Sugar Labs.
 david


In the last email you mentioned key points of possible actual
weakness of Sugar Labs, in my opinion  changing executive Director doesn't
address all these points, we need more community discussions about those.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Appropriate to call myself senior developer?

2010-08-14 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Seeing all your work for SL, I would say that title is appropriate.

Cheers
Rafael Ortiz



On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 5:28 AM, Sascha Silbe
sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote:
 Hi!

 Would anyone dislike me calling myself senior developer and system
 administrator at Sugar Labs in my CV or consider it inappropriate? If
 so, what other description would you recommend?

 Sascha

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Speak.Activity v16 on Build 802 - Problem

2010-08-09 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Forwarding this to sugar-devel




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From: Tony Rizos tri...@pacbell.net
Date: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:44 PM
Subject: Speak.Activity v16 on Build 802 - Problem
To: de...@lists.laptop.org


 Hi,

I upgraded my OLPC XO from Build 656 to 802.   Having not used the XO
for the last 2  years, I was pleased with the changes.   I am planning
to give it to my niece who asked if she could have it.    All works well
except  the Speak activity.   After running correctly the first time, it
will not start up on subsequent attempts.

I thought this may have been caused by my attempt to install Skype when
the problem seemed to have started.   I erased Speak and reinstalled it
with no luck.

I first tried going back to 656 and upgrading again to 802.  No luck.
I should say I also tried Speak v9 which worked with no problems
whatsoever.   The problem is associated with the Speak v16 activity that
comes with 802.

I asked the forums if anyone had seen this problem and was recommended
to do a no-fail update.   After wiping the XO clean and installing 802,
Speak v16 seemed to work again with no problems.  However, when I closed
it and restarted it, I got an error and would not start.      I then
erased it and reinstalled it.   It started up okay with no problems but
I get the same result when I close it and restart it.

The error detail included the following messages:

gst-plugins-based failed to resolve due to Unknown
gstreamer failed to resolve due to Unknown
gst-plugins-good failed to resolve due to Unknown
Processed: 1; skipped: 0
Cancelled

Is there a problem with Speak v16?  Have you seen this problem
before?    Is there any more information I can provide?    Can this be
fixed?

Thanx,

Tony


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Make Your Own Sugar Activities! is on Lulu

2010-08-02 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
It would be very nice to have this on Spanish!.

Rafael Ortiz



On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 15:07, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tomeu,

 In the FLOSS Manuals world anyone who wants to do a translation of any
 FM book may do so.  I'm not capable of doing a translation myself, but
 if anyone was interested all he would have to do would be to request a
 Spanish version to be set up by asking for it on the FM mailing list,
 then start working on it.  Anyone signed up with FM may edit any book,
 just like with a Wiki.  Only setting up a new book requires admin
 help, and I think the new Booki software that FM will use soon will
 eliminate even that requirement.

 FM is set up to encourage this kind of thing, and believe me if anyone
 wanted to do a Spanish translation I'd be tickled to death.  So no
 plans, but none are really needed in this case.

 Well, guess that somebody needs to announce this manual in the
 spanish-speaking lists and propose the translation effort? Maybe one
 of our fellow hackers from SA?

 Regards,

 Tomeu

 James Simmons


 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 06:35, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:
 My FLOSS Manual Make Your Own Sugar Activities! made it to Lulu.com:

 http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/make-your-own-sugar-activities/12047878

 FLOSS Manuals get the profits for book sales, not me, but I thought
 you'd all like to know it's available.

 Any plans on translating it to Spanish? That's how I would expect it
 to reach much bigger impact. I think several people in the olpc-sur
 would be interested in helping out.

 Regards,

 Tomeu

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Make Your Own Sugar Activities! is on Lulu

2010-08-02 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 3:19 PM,  anshu.ga...@gmail.com wrote:
 You might want to consider using Google Translate as a starting point, and
 then cleaning up the translation.

 Anshu


I've seen great progress on google translator, nonetheless i still
recomend to do a fresh translation up from the start.
it's still in my opinion not so time consuming.



 On Aug 2, 2010 2:37pm, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote:





 Hi...

 If some one will take care of getting it set up, I will be happy to help
 with the translations and try to recruit some of my bilingual friends to
 help. It may all take a while, but let's get the ball rolling!


 Caryl (aka Carolina, aka SweetXOGrannie

  From: raf...@sugarlabs.org
  Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:35:11 -0500
  To: to...@sugarlabs.org
  CC: webch...@invisible.net; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org;
  scotty...@gmail.com; sarah.gladst...@walgreens.com; anshu.ga...@gmail.com;
  nices...@gmail.com; i...@lists.sugarlabs.org
  Subject: Re: [IAEP] Make Your Own Sugar Activities! is on Lulu
 
  It would be very nice to have this on Spanish!.
 
  Rafael Ortiz
 
 
 
  On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
   On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 15:07, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:
   Tomeu,
  
   In the FLOSS Manuals world anyone who wants to do a translation of
   any
   FM book may do so.  I'm not capable of doing a translation myself,
   but
   if anyone was interested all he would have to do would be to request
   a
   Spanish version to be set up by asking for it on the FM mailing list,
   then start working on it.  Anyone signed up with FM may edit any
   book,
   just like with a Wiki.  Only setting up a new book requires admin
   help, and I think the new Booki software that FM will use soon will
   eliminate even that requirement.
  
   FM is set up to encourage this kind of thing, and believe me if
   anyone
   wanted to do a Spanish translation I'd be tickled to death.  So no
   plans, but none are really needed in this case.
  
   Well, guess that somebody needs to announce this manual in the
   spanish-speaking lists and propose the translation effort? Maybe one
   of our fellow hackers from SA?
  
   Regards,
  
   Tomeu
  
   James Simmons
  
  
   On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org
   wrote:
   On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 06:35, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   My FLOSS Manual Make Your Own Sugar Activities! made it to
   Lulu.com:
  
  
   http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/make-your-own-sugar-activities/12047878
  
   FLOSS Manuals get the profits for book sales, not me, but I thought
   you'd all like to know it's available.
  
   Any plans on translating it to Spanish? That's how I would expect it
   to reach much bigger impact. I think several people in the olpc-sur
   would be interested in helping out.
  
   Regards,
  
   Tomeu
  
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Re: [Sugar-devel] New ASLO features to implement

2010-06-16 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 08:34:10AM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 El Tue, 15-06-2010 a las 22:31 +, Aleksey Lim escribió:
  * Support per languages uploads. In some cases (GCompris, OOo4Kids)
    all languages in one bundle weights too much and per locale bundles makes
    sense. While downloading, ASLO will suggest only current locale
    bundle.

 +1 (does upstream remora already provide this?)

 At least for now, there could be only per arch/OS uploads. Don't know
 about plans but I was planing to not rebase ASLO to recent AMO (to
 minimize work).

  * By default, ASLO just an repository of activities (not regarding their
    stability status) and anonymous downloading is required (for now,
    experimental downloads requires be logged in).

 +1 on allowing anonymous download of any bundle, regarding its
 stable/experimental status.


 -1 on showing experimental activity bundles as the default download for
 activities. Probably, even maintainers should go through a peer review
 process.

 Keeping in mind what Rafael posted about development versions, the whole
 picture could be:

 * stable versions will be public automatically
 * development versions (flag should be set while uploading) will be
  treated as current experimental uploads but w/o making them
  public(since only next version could be stable)
 * versions stamped(somehow) by QA

Agreed :).

  * Current QA[1] scheme is too weak for deployment(various) needs and
    having previous option, more reliable scheme is required. Current plan is
    implementing QA profiles. Every activity could be stamped (from -n to
    +n) in several QA profiles. QA stamp is not part of activity itself
    and could be set by QA editors in any time. User can nominate activity
    to be stamped in several QA profiles to notify QA editors about new
    activity. QA editors will be notified about new version of already
    stamped activities via a...@.

 Perhaps a simpler scheme to implement, which would be sufficient to
 fulfill our needs would be adding the ability to specify exact versions
 of bundles in collections.

 Then, we could simply point the updater to a page like this:

  http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/collection/f11-xo1-0.88

 The deployment people would keep the versions updated after doing their
 QA on activities.

 To be honest, I also want to keep ASLO patch as minimal as possible.
 My concern about using only collections is that it is not so useful in
 regular ASLO usecase i.e. there is no way to see activities by category within
 collection. But at the end it is all about how deployments will use
 QAed activities from ASLO, if for the first time using only microformat
 groups/collections will be enough, QA stuff could be only OLPC updater
 support.

  * Support microformat for OLPC updater. Also support collections as
    microformat groups. Take into account QA profiles.

 +1


  It could be not full list of required features. If you are interested in
  some ASLO improvements, post an comment.

 Thanks Aleksey, recapitulating this list of requirements was indeed very
 helpful.

 I'll try to find a php developer to help out implementing these features
 ASAP. Can we make them work in the activities-devel sandbox on
 sunjammer?

 Only shell account on sunjammer is required.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New ASLO features to implement

2010-06-15 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:55:20AM +1000, James Cameron wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:31:50PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
  Lack of some ASLO features was mentioned several times in this mailing
  list. I'm going to start implementing some of them from this week.
 
  Here it is my preliminary TODO (not prioritized list):
 
  * By default, ASLO just an repository of activities (not regarding their
    stability status) and anonymous downloading is required (for now,
    experimental downloads requires be logged in).

 I don't understand what you plan to do with this item.  It seems to be a
 statement of fact, not a plan.  Could you please include a verb?

 The plan is removing need to be logged in to download experimental
 activities and moreover remove experimental status at all. So, instead
 of:

 * experimental not public activities;
  users need to be logged in to download them

 * public activities, anonymous downloading;
  passed via centrilized ASLO review procedure that should cover all
  possible sugar deployment environments

 To have:

 * just regular uploads w/o need to be logged in to download them;
  later, there could be experimental status set by developer e.g.
  development version but it should be managed by activity developer
  not by someone else

Complementing: this experimental state should allow only other
developers or admins of ASLO to download the activity but it should be
hidden from public to avoid conflicts.

 * user can apply one of QA profiles (one could be set by default)
  to see list of activiteis that were tested by someone else
  e.g. SoaS, XO-1.5, XO-Paraguay etc.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Please review code (was Re: Speak answering maths questions)

2010-06-01 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
This is great Tim,
this is one of the features that we would like to see on Speak for
some time now. I've heard these ideas by professors that we have been
working with in Bogotá, Colombia.



Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Tim McNamara
paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote:
 Hi Chris, et al.

 ref http://pastebin.com/2XNCHGiy

 I am most of the way there, as you can see from lines 91 - 143. The function
 is attempting to return something that can be read out loud back to a child
 if they ask the Speak robot a mathematical question.

 My biggest question is the best way to import the functionality from the
 Calculate activity. As per silbe's comments on IRC, I'm leaning towards
 duplicating the two modules inside of the Speak activity.

 I guess I could implement my own parser, I thought about using the ast
 module. Then I realised that I would just make a poor replication of the
 parser  evaluator that's already been created.

 Thoughts/comments welcome.

 Tim



 On 30 May 2010 05:34, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote:

 Hi Tim,

 I'd suggest looking at the parsing logic in the Calculate activity --
 it deals with the same problems.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Scratch-20100321

2010-05-21 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
This release is thanks to Jhon Maloney

More information here.

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Scratch#Download



Rafael Ortiz



On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sugar Labs Activities
activit...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Activity Homepage:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4249

 Sugar Platform:
 0.82 - 0.88

 Download Now:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26916/scratch-20100321.xo

 Release notes:
 NOTE: On a 1.5 machine, the beta version hangs soon after playing any sound. 
 This is due to an interaction between the sound driver and the power saving 
 feature. We are working on this problem.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Fwd: [PATCH] use the spanish verb quitar for unmounting devices]

2010-05-19 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
2010/5/19 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org:
 El Tue, 18-05-2010 a las 12:30 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso escribió:
 On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 23:07, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
  In both cases, we need to make the strings distinct in the code.
  In C, I'd specify the context in which the string is used, like so:
 
      pgettext(Device Icon, Remove)
 
  However, Python's gettext module does not yet support pgettext():
 
   http://bugs.python.org/issue2504
 
  How is this handled in Sugar?

 You can add some context to a string with a TRANS: comment.

 It's not just a problem of providing context to the human translators:
 the english string Remove will be merged with other identical strings
 throughout the UI which have different semantic meaning.

 For example, Remove on the activity icon really means Borrar, not
 Quitar or Extraer. To solve this ambiguity, gettext provides a
 function with an additional hidden string used only to discriminate the
 context.

 I followed up the Python bug asking for possible work-arounds.

String comments  and context are key to differentiate translations,
sometimes it is easier when the developer makes  clarifications in the
POT file.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] OLPC mesh support in Sugar-0.84

2010-05-19 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi All,

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
 El Wed, 19-05-2010 a las 21:09 -0300, Daniel Drake escribió:
 On 19 May 2010 20:45, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
  Why not shift the XO-1 users and deployments onto 0.88?

 You're talking about a huge amount of work here, with only a small
 amount of community resources working directly on XO1. And we've
 already seen a handful of issues on the list which will generate
 difficulties once 0.88 starts running on XOs.

 I'll probably change your mind this week-end when I'll show you how the
 0.88 build is coming along :-)


 Backporting mesh support will be quite easy. I speak from experience
 because I already did it on the near-final patches.

 I agree. There are also several very other useful features which would
 be easy to backport to 0.84, one at a time:

  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Notes
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes

 If you have a feeling of deja-vu while going through these release
 notes, it's because we've *already* backported half of the 0.86/0.88 new
 features.

 Except for the new activity toolbars, the core code of Sugar did not
 change much between 0.84 and 0.88, which is why backporting patches is
 so easy and upgrading altogether ended up being quite painless in
 practice.


 Even if an 0.88 upgrade happens, backporting deployment-important new
 developments will still be required (especially if they solve feature
 regressions) because 0.88 is no longer the tip of development.

 True, but it's much closer to it. I think staying close to upstream is
 an important step in lowering the barrier for collaboration between
 deployments and Sugar Labs.

Agree with Bernie here, can't wait to test 0.88 for XO-1.

 (besides this particular one, there are probably other significant
 barriers to collaboration; we'll try to discuss and address all of them)

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Fwd: [PATCH] use the spanish verb quitar for unmounting devices]

2010-05-17 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
2010/5/17 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org:
 El Mon, 17-05-2010 a las 09:24 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso escribió:
 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 20:07, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
  This was also supposed to be posted on the list:
 
  - Mensaje reenviado 
  De: Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
  Para: Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org
  Cc: Sayamindu Dasgupta sayami...@gmail.com, de...@lists.sugarlabs.org,
  Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org
  Asunto: [PATCH] use the spanish verb quitar for unmounting devices
  Fecha: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:44:05 -0400
 
  In Sugar 0.88, the command for unmounting removable devices has been
  renamed from Unmount to Remove, which is used throughout the GUI
  with several slightly different meanings.
 
  The common translation for remove was eliminar, whose semantic
  meaning is eliminate, thus inappropriate for the unmount operation.

I like ''extraer''  but ''quitar'' is used commonly in other
interfaces for the same purpose, ''quitar'' would be my option,  also
because it's easier to understand for little children.




  Other languages may not be so lucky. We may have to keep the string for
  unmounting devices distinct from the others, along with a TRNAS comment
  to warn translators about the context.
  ---
   po/es.po |    2 +-
   1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
 
  diff --git a/po/es.po b/po/es.po
  index 587608f..6702db6 100644
  --- a/po/es.po
  +++ b/po/es.po
  @@ -975,7 +975,7 @@ msgstr Transferencia a %r
 
   #: ../src/jarabe/frame/clipboardmenu.py:52 
  ../src/jarabe/view/palettes.py:218
   msgid Remove
  -msgstr Eliminar
  +msgstr Quitar

 Retirar would also work in Spanish from Spain, is slightly more
 formal than Quitar but is also a bit more specific. I would say to
 just ask around in your office and do whatever they tell you is best.

 I've ran a quick survey. Sebastian said:

  Expulsar is common in other OSs, Retirar is correct but not direct
  enough to be clear, and Quitar is too broad and also unclear.

 Jorge proposed: Extraer.

 In both cases, we need to make the strings distinct in the code.
 In C, I'd specify the context in which the string is used, like so:

     pgettext(Device Icon, Remove)

 However, Python's gettext module does not yet support pgettext():

  http://bugs.python.org/issue2504

 How is this handled in Sugar?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Gsoc] State of this year's gsoc

2010-04-14 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Tim McNamara
paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote:
 On 12 April 2010 15:10, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero raf...@sugarlabs.org
 wrote:

 Hi all.

 How is Gsoc going for SugarLabs this year ?
 Are we having enough mentors ?
 How is the proposal review going ?.


 Hi Rafael, thanks for the questions!
 Here's a short update:
 Sugar Labs has three student slots this year, which will mean we will be
 fine for mentors :) We've had twelve students who have submitted proposals,
 from a total pool of 13 proposals.
 I've neglected my duties this week, and haven't moved the proposal review
 forward. I'll be arranging this shortly.
 Cheers :)
 Tim

Thanks for the update Tim. :)


 P.D I'm willing to step down as a student to help coordinating if
 necessary.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] how to run the Physics Activity as a standalone application?

2010-04-08 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Vimal,

Walter did some work about this with Turtle Art,
you might want to look into it.

Rafael Ortiz



On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 03:46, Vimal Joseph vimaljos...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 Is it possible to run the Physics activity as a standalone application?
 I've tried that (Physics-4.tar.gz) and got the following error:

 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File physics.py, line 129, in module
    main()
  File physics.py, line 123, in main
    game = PhysicsGame(screen)
  File physics.py, line 50, in __init__
    self.canvas = olpcgames.ACTIVITY.canvas
 AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'canvas'

 I've installed the pygame and box2d and related libraries. I use Ubuntu
 9.10

 Hi Vimal, you will need to modify Physics to not depend on
 sugar-specific stuff if you want it to run outside Sugar.

 Regards,

 Tomeu

 thanks,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] (no subject)

2010-04-07 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Chus.


This idea was also light up on olpc-uruguay and olpc-sur so i guess it
has some audience :).


in wich feed reader are you looking to base your work on ?.



Rafael Ortiz



On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Chus Picos chuspi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.

 I'm a Software Engineering student at the Universidade da Coruña (Galicia -
 Spain). Now I'm taking my first steps with Sugar. I want to do my final year
 project developing an activity for this platform. If it is possible, I would
 like your help to know what kind of activity could be more interesting.

 After a small study with my project supervisor, we thought it might be
 useful to develop an RSS reader. We know that there is already an activity
 called News Reader that implements this functionality, but it seems not to
 be very updated. We are considering to re-take it or to write something new,
 maybe based on some other RSS reeder, and would like to know your insight
 about this.

 But as I said, that is just an idea and we are open to your suggestions..

 Regards and thank you very much.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLO] ALICE

2010-02-22 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 08:26:54PM +0530, Jerry Savio wrote:
 Dear Sir



 We are a group of students from Mumbai University (India) pursuing our final
 year of engineering. We are working on a project with GNOWSYS (
 www.gnu.org/software/*gnowsys*/ http://www.gnu.org/software/gnowsys/ ).
 Our project is to build an inference engine using PROLOG, with our initial
 data being the Wikipedia dump. Our project head, Mr. Nagarjuna G introduced
 us to ALICE and the speak activity and your noble cause. As we are working
 on the Wikipedia dump (RDF triples), our project head suggested that we
 contact The Sugar Team in order to use the information on Wikipedia and our
 inferenced information to enhance Alice’s knowledge base.

 afaik only Speak uses AIML Interpreter (it is http://pyaiml.sourceforge.net/)
 but only in using only mode. But you can ask Rafael (CCed) who merged AIML
 support to Speak.

 --
 Aleksey


Aleksey is right  you only have to nurture the AIML dictionary.
in order to make the conversation better..but while augmenting the
dictionary the memory occupation also increases, this could be a
problem in constrained hardware environments like the XO 1.0
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Re: [Sugar-devel] localización

2010-02-18 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hola Kevin

Esta pregunta puede ser mejor contestada en la lista de olpc-sur o en
sugar-desarrollo



Rafael Ortiz



2010/2/18 Kevin Mauricio Benavides Castro kmbc141...@gmail.com:
 Hola alguien me puede ayudar necesito saber si hay alguna persona dentro de
 la comunidad que viva  cerca de brasil
 


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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: DML Competition open for resubmissions! All applicants must resubmit by Feb 15th at noon EST

2010-02-03 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
For our attention.




-- Forwarded message --
From: Mandy Dailey mandy.dai...@duke.edu
Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Subject: DML Competition open for resubmissions! All applicants must
resubmit by Feb 15th at noon EST
To: dmlc2010-applica...@duke.edu


The application system for the 2010 HASTAC/MacArthur Foundation
Digital Media and Learning Competition is now open for resubmissions.
Resubmit your applications here: http://dmlcompetition.net/fastapps/login.php.
All applications are due by February 15th at noon EST.

The resubmission period is designed to allow you to revise and
strengthen your applications by tweaking, editing, broadening, etc.
your initial application to incorporate any useful feedback or ideas
offered by the public.
It is not necessary for you to revise your application based on the
feedback you receive, however, all previously submitted applications
MUST be resubmitted (even those that have not been edited or changed
in any way).
The application form has not changed.
Resubmitted applications will not be available in the public
commenting system until after February 15th.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Google Summer of Code

2010-02-01 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello Peter.



On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,
 I can't remember if SL participates in the GSOC but I've noticed they're
 starting to gear up for GSOC 2010 so it might be worthwhile starting to
 think about it from the SL perspective.
 Peter

SL participated successfully in last year GSOC

More info here

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] New color selector

2010-01-28 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:
 Just an example
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Color-selector-3.png

I don't know too much about design but what if the selection grid
would be round instead of rectangular..?


my 2 cents :)

 On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:35:22AM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote:
 Hi,

 Walter and Aleksey did great work on implementing the new color selector.

 1) http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/attachment/ticket/1592/color_selector.png
 2) http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/attachment/ticket/1592/color_selector_full.png

 In version 1, only the color that changes is displayed for the buttons,
 the other color is white.

 I made a quick go on it by my wife and she found it quite confusing to
 navigate. She offered to use a grid where all the available colors would
 be shown. I think Christian had a similar idea in last weeks design
 meeting.

 Regards,
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2010 is On......

2010-01-26 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
 For our consideration




-- Forwarded message --
From: LH lho...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 7:09 PM
Subject: Google Summer of Code 2010 is On..
To: Google Summer of Code Discuss
google-summer-of-code-disc...@googlegroups.com


Hello everyone,

Many of you were wondering if Google Summer of Code 2010 is on for
2010 and the answer is yes! We will begin accepting application from
would-be mentoring organizations beginning March 8th at approximately
19:00 UTC, with applications closing on March 12th at 23:00 UTC.
Students can apply between 19:00 UTC on March 29th to 19:00 UTC on
April 9th.

We will be updating the program website [0], including the FAQs [1],
over the next few days. Not much is going to change except the
timeline, though there are a few FAQs that will be added. If you have
any questions in the interim please do send them to the list. Please
note that questions about which project you should select, etc., will
likely be responded to with depends on your skill set, so please
take the time to do some research [2] about which project is right for
you.

While mentoring organizations for 2010 will be announced until March
18th, a great number of the projects that have participated in the
past [3] will return once again in 2010. Of course, that's not a
guarantee and we cannot accept every great project that applies. But
if you want to get a jump start on your participation in GSoC 2010,
considering lurking in the IRC channel of a past participating project
and seeing what useful things you can learn about their code base and
community. Check out project forums to see if it's a place you'd like
to spend your time.

I'll be sending a follow up message in a few minutes about what to
expect in the next few days/weeks and how you can help Google Summer
of Code 2010.

Google Summer of Code 2010 is on! Celebrate!

[0] - http://socghop.appspot.com

[1] - http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2009/faqs

[2] - http://delicious.com/gsoc2009

[3] - http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [DESIGN] GNOME Activity Journal screencast

2010-01-20 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi



On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Hi,

 I think this is great, this project is very close to our needs:

 http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/01/gaj-not-just-mockups/

 Regards,

 Tomeu


Im getting


Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_NAMESPACE, expecting T_STRING
in /customers/geekyogre.com/geekyogre.com/httpd.www/seilo/wp-includes/rss.php
on line 582

for that URL.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.87.3 Development Release

2010-01-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi


On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
 Dear Sugar Community,

 this is the third development release in the 0.88 release cycle - see
 the schedule [1] for more details. Please note that the schedule has
 been adjusted lately. See [2] for more info.

 The detailed changes and where to download the sources can be found in
 the release notes [3].

 Sebastian is going to create a new Soas-Fedora12 image for testing and
 announce it in this thread.

Can't wait to test the .iso, i'm also trying to get teachers and
people on deployments more aware, for testing new features and giving
feedback, these development snapshots can be the way to improve it.


 In behalf of the sugar community,
    Your Release Team

 [1] Schedule: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Roadmap
 [2] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-January/021900.html
 [3] Release Notes: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/0.87.3_Notes

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Re: [Sugar-devel] gitorious and uploading public key

2010-01-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi George. (adding sugar-devel to cc)

It happen to me also, the solution (IIRC) then was wait, wait, wait.


cheers.
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 Hi everyone,

 Earlier I successfully uploaded a public ssh key to git.sugarlabs.org.  But
 then I decided to change key pairs, created a new set, and then tried to
 upload a the new one.

 I'm getting the following message:

 This sshkey is being created,
 it will be ready pretty soon

 I came back a day later. Still no joy.  Tried again, same response.

 Any suggestions?

 George

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Automated coverage testing?

2010-01-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Quozl



On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:48 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 G'day,

 Is there an automated test for Sugar or for activities?  Something that
 will act like a user and generate keyboard and mouse actions to exercise
 each feature at least once.

There was this effort

http://code.google.com/p/sugarbot/wiki/Index

although i don't know it's actual state.


it would be nice to explore  mago and  adapt it to sugar.

http://mago.ubuntu.com/






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Re: [Sugar-devel] Accessibility - control panel

2009-12-29 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
I'm among the ones to want to see these features in upstream Sugar.

Thanks for all the hard work.

Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 20:09, Martin Langhoff
 martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Esteban Arias
 ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote:
 In Uruguay, we have section of control panel: Accessibility. This item
 configurate keyboard accessibility options: mouse keys, bounce keys and
 sticky keys.
 We develop this on sugar 0.82 and now we begin to update this source code to
 0.88.

 Given that it is likely that you will deploy 0.84 (before 0.88), it
 might make sense to target both 0.88 and 0.84 :-)

 From what I have seen, most of this functionality should translate
 very easily from 0.82 to 0.88 and in-between.

 IMHO, this is an awesome feature, Ceibal has several other
 accessibility features that I think Sugar must get.

 Regards,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Using XO - Camera through the XO Emulator

2009-12-22 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
In your case it would be better to use SOAS or TOAST on a webcam
capable computer, and do the tests and modifications there.

having an .xo bundle you can ask for feedback on it's performance in an XO.



Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Gonzalo Jorge gonzalo@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 I am planning on creating avtivities using the XO camera, that's why I was
 wondering if anyone got the XO Emulator to properly handle the camera.
 I know that there are limitations regarding using specialized hardwar,
 that's why I wanted to know which would be the best way to approach this
 scenario.

 Thanks!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Turtleart and Arduino

2009-12-21 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
This is other iteration,

http://people.sugarlabs.org/rafael/Draw-leds.png

Turtle moves, changes screen's color and led goes on and off along
turtle's path.



Rafael Ortiz



On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
dir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes you are right..

 the delay is needed, this screenshot is not accurate :)



 Rafael Ortiz



 On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:57:12PM -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero 
 wrote:
 You can test if everything is o.k using these blocks that use the on
 board led of the board..

 http://people.sugarlabs.org/rafael/Arduino-turtle1.png

 Shouldn't there be a delay between writing low to the pin and writing
 high?  Or are you relying on the execution time?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] what looks like an activity developer?

2009-12-20 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
This is o.k to me, the firefox has all the necessary apparatus, to develop..


Rafael Ortiz


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 Looks like this or can we find something more appropriate?

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/img/amo2009/developers/hub-addon-fox.png

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Turtleart and Arduino

2009-12-20 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Yes you are right..

the delay is needed, this screenshot is not accurate :)



Rafael Ortiz



On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:57:12PM -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote:
 You can test if everything is o.k using these blocks that use the on
 board led of the board..

 http://people.sugarlabs.org/rafael/Arduino-turtle1.png

 Shouldn't there be a delay between writing low to the pin and writing
 high?  Or are you relying on the execution time?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Turtleart and Arduino

2009-12-19 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Saya

Nice work!

To the curious out there:

you need to have python-serial as dependency (pyserial)

in your arduino you need this firmata

http://at.or.at/hans/pd/Firmata-2.1beta7.zip

You can test if everything is o.k using these blocks that use the on
board led of the board..

http://people.sugarlabs.org/rafael/Arduino-turtle1.png


cheers!,
Rafael Ortiz



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 Hello everyone,
 Over the past few weekends, I have been working on adding Arduino[1]
 support to TurtleArt, and you can get the latest code from
 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/turtleart/repos/arduino-support
 If you have an Arduino board lying around, it would be great if you
 could test out the code, and let me know if something refuses to work.
 Here's a screenshot: http://people.sugarlabs.org/sayamindu/ta_arduino.png
 Instructions on how to set up your board, etc are at
 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/turtleart/repos/arduino-support/blobs/master/README.arduino
 Thanks,
 Sayamindu


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugarclic . programa para ver clics en OLPC en version alpha

2009-12-16 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hola



2009/12/16 Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org:
 Fantásticas noticias. Me pongo el sombrero de usuario, sigo el link a
 la página de code.google.com que hay en tu email, hay un link que dice
 'download', pero no hay nada para bajarse!

 Dónde está la actividad para bajar, en formato .xo así lo bajo
 directamente en mi XO y lo puedo probar?

 Sugiero los siguientes pasos:

  - colgar el archivo .xo ;-)
  - contactar a Walter y Tomeu para colgarlo en
 Activities.sugarlabs.org que es el directorio canónico de
 actividades. Ahí es donde los usuarios te van a encontrar...

Tambien tenemos una lista de correo  de ASLO (Libreria de
actividades), donde se puede hacer preguntas acerca de esta
(http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/aslo) .

Como dice Tomeu cualquiera con cuenta puede subir una actividad..






 abrazos,



 m

 2009/12/6 Ludo (Marc Alier) granl...@gmail.com:
 Amigos,
 hace más de un  año que trabajamos con estudiantes de la facultad de
 infomratica de barcelona para desarrollar un visor de Clic
 que funcione en Sugar, o sea el XO OLPC.
 Me complace anunciar que tenemos el proyecto ya muy avanzado y
 esperamos que este listo en breve para el uso de los niños.
 Sugar-clic la actividad permitira descargar contenidos clic
 directamente y poco a poco iremos incorporando más funcionalidades.
 Entre otras espero que se puedan cargar los clics en el XS (OLPC
 Server) que gestiona mi amigo Martin Langhoff, y que
 amablemente nos presté dos Laptops para realizar pruebas.
 Encontrareis el código y el tracker en
 http://code.google.com/p/sugar-clic/ Tambien estamos trabajando en un
 Google group
 http://groups.google.com/group/sugarclic (muchos mensajes son en
 catalan, pero google los traduce maravillosamente)
 Espero que este sofware sea de utilidad en el proyecto OLPC.
 Sinceramente
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar in the splash screen

2009-12-03 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 OLPC has offered to include a Sugar logo in the splash screen, much
 the way the Fedora Remix graphic is included. Problem is, we need
 someone to do the work of embedding it.

To have a lesser impact on boot time sugar logo could be added
on the  opposite side of the fedora remix logo.

 According to Ed, We had substantial difficulties with the Fedora logo
 due to the noticeable delay it added to boot time, so some attention
 would need to be paid there.

 Anyone out there who would be interested in tackling this?

 thanks.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar in the splash screen

2009-12-03 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Agree with the marketing, i was responding to the technical issue
(increase time) arising for adding another frame to the initial boot
animation.

If the logo can be added in the center it would the ideal thing to do :).




Rafael Ortiz



On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 To be clear, I have no issue with the Fedora remix logo where it is.
 My concern is confusion - the sugar logo in the center will represent
 well Sugar the interface and learning platform. In a corner, the sugar
 logo by itself would be ambiguous; it would be preferable to have the
 Sugar Labs logo representing the Sugar community there.

 Sean


 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Our policy is to market Sugar, not the underlying distro. The approach
 is to build the Sugar brand. We had this discussion for Sugar on a
 Stick.

 This is the OLPC we are talking about, not SoaS. I think it is
 appropriate that they have both the Fedora Remix and Sugar branding.

 By OLPC logo I think you mean what I called the XO avatar?

 Currently, the Fedora Remix mark is in the lower right during the
 beginning of the boot animation, where the XO and dots are rendered.

 -walter

 Sean


 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 The image position affects boot time in plymouth?

 No, I think its the time it takes to load the image.

 The logo works best in the center - it's vital we communicate what the
 name of the interface and platform is.

 Well Fedora is in fact the platform and I suspect OLPC will want their
 logo in the middle as per previous splash screens. Fedora Remix one
 use to be bottom right so the Sugar one in the bottom left would
 mirror it nicely.

 Peter

 We had mocked up a number of approaches
 (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo) and for Sugar
 on a Stick, chose the centered Sugar logo for three dots and the XO
 avatar for the rest
 (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo)

 Sean


 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
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 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 OLPC has offered to include a Sugar logo in the splash screen, much
 the way the Fedora Remix graphic is included. Problem is, we need
 someone to do the work of embedding it.

 To have a lesser impact on boot time sugar logo could be added
 on the  opposite side of the fedora remix logo.

 According to Ed, We had substantial difficulties with the Fedora logo
 due to the noticeable delay it added to boot time, so some attention
 would need to be paid there.

 Anyone out there who would be interested in tackling this?

 thanks.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSM/CDMA Modems support (part II)

2009-11-25 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi



On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Martin Abente
mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:13:41 +0100, Martin Langhoff
 martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Martin Abente
 mabe...@paraguayeduca.org wrote:
 As I mentioned in my last email to de...@lists.laptop.org, there is a
 real
 need for a GSM/CDMA usb modem support in our region since thats the most
 common/available service in rural locations.

 Hola Martin,

 question: are you planning on giving a GSM/CDMA card to each child
 with an XO?

  No, but teachers and parents has been asking us about this in every
 meeting we attended so far
  since they only got Internet access at schools.

 Or to configure the local XS to have a GSM/CDMA connection
 that provides the upstream connection which is then shared by all XO
 users that connect to the XS?

 If you want to set things up on the XS, we can probably come up with
 scripts that get it online as soon as you plug the modem into the XS.
 (So: unplug to disconnect).


  Thats not our case, all our school servers are working with WiMax
 connections, which it's infrastructure
  requirements are fine for a school.

  But in countries like Paraguay with a high rate of cellphone usage and
 coverage (which is an interesting phenomena,
  considering our country reality), gsm/cdma modems are by far the most
 common and acquirable service.

This is also truth for Colombia, satellite internet is very expensive
although in some places is offered by the government,  and there are
GSM/CDMA modems with a broad use and cheaper fares and wider coverage,
although with some problems of wideness of the communication band and
re-use of the channel.








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Re: [Sugar-devel] .swf files visualization and bundling

2009-11-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Wadeb and Tim

Thanks for the suggestions.

I followed  eatboom skeleton and i got a working initial activity.


http://people.sugarlabs.org/rafael/Cabeza.activity.xo

obvioulsy i borrowed eatbom.svg (this mail is only for reporting the advance :))



Great work Wade!.



Rafael Ortiz



On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hey Rafael,

 Check out http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/eatboom/repos/wadebs-clone.
  That project provides a template for making .SWF files into proper
 Sugar activities.
 The bundle is also available on ASLO here:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4225

 EatBoom is pretty simplistic, but I'm working on porting a more
 advanced example.

 Let me know if you need any assistance with this.

 -Wade

 On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
 raf...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Hi.

 I have some educational content .swf files that i wish to visualize
 inside Sugar and also making a content bundle for them.

 What is the present way of doing so (both making the bundle and
 visualizing .swf files) ?, we have not talked in a while about content
 bundles at least that i remember ;), so please direct me to past
 conversations or links about it.




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Re: [Sugar-devel] OT: Thesis: OLPC Evaluation with Usability Engineering

2009-11-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Great Carlos.

Thanks for sharing...

Rafael Ortiz



2009/11/23 Carlos mauro unima...@gmail.com:
 Hi friend

 I invite you to attend the exposition of my thesis OLPC Evaluation with
 Usability Engineering (Evaluación de la OLPC con Ingeniería de Usabilidad).
 Tomorrow 24 November at 1pm or 13:00 (GMT -5).

 Blog:
 http://unimauro.blogspot.com/2009/11/sustentacion-de-tesis-en-vivo.html
 Streaming: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/unimauro

 Abstract:
 This thesis is a study of the Usability of Software Sugar from the OLPC
 project. The problem taken the  negative expert opinion about the lack of
 usability studies of the interaction of Sugar with children, the procedure
 is to evaluate the Sugar, with the method of usability testing conducted at
 the National School Julio C Tello located in the district of San Juan de
 Lurigancho in Lima Peru to 12 children between 5 to 7 years in a period of
 eight months with collecting data from three versions of Sugar and five
 activities or programs. The revised thesis was with a multidisciplinary
 work, with elementary school teachers, statistical professionals, developers
 and virtual communities. The conclusions and recommendations can by cover
 the void of the lack of usability studies with the their target populations
 and their object the project: Integrating children excluded from the world
 by generating wealth from knowledge.

 Resumen:
 Esta tesis es un estudio de la usabilidad del software Sugar del proyecto
 OLPC. El problema tomó la opinión de los expertos negativos por la falta de
 estudios de usabilidad de la interacción de azúcar con los niños, el
 procedimiento consiste en evaluar el azúcar, con el método de las pruebas de
 usabilidad llevado a cabo en la Escuela Nacional de Julio C Tello, ubicado
 en el distrito de San Juan de Lurigancho en Lima, Perú a 12 niños de entre 5
 a 7 años en un período de ocho meses con la recopilación de datos a partir
 de tres versiones de azúcar y cinco actividades o programas. La tesis fue
 revisada con un trabajo multidisciplinario, con los maestros de escuela
 primaria, profesionales de la estadística, los desarrolladores y las
 comunidades virtuales. Las conclusiones y recomendaciones puede cubrir el
 vacío de la falta de estudios de usabilidad con las poblaciones meta y
 objeto del proyecto: La integración de los niños excluidos del mundo
 mediante la generación de riqueza de conocimiento.





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[Sugar-devel] .swf files visualization and bundling

2009-11-21 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi.

I have some educational content .swf files that i wish to visualize
inside Sugar and also making a content bundle for them.

What is the present way of doing so (both making the bundle and
visualizing .swf files) ?, we have not talked in a while about content
bundles at least that i remember ;), so please direct me to past
conversations or links about it.




Cheers and thanks in advance for your help.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] XO problems with 32 characters SSID [laptop.org #9652]

2009-11-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Gabriela reports is solved using os8 (F11 for XO-1).



Rafael Ortiz



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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Sugar on the Asus Eee 701

2009-10-27 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Forwarding to sugar-dev for relevance.


Rafael Ortiz




-- Forwarded message --
From: Tabitha Roder tabi...@hrdnz.com
Date: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Subject: Sugar on the Asus Eee 701
To: test...@lists.laptop.org, OLPC Devel de...@lists.laptop.org,
olpc...@lists.laptop.org


Copy of my blog post on the experience of installing Sugar on Asus Eee 701

Sugar on the Eee

I wanted to put Sugar on an Asus Eee 701 for my niece. Thanks to
Trademe I could pick one up at a reasonable price.  For those that
know me well, yes I had some help with setting up Sugar and yes I had
some help with writing this post.

SOAS Strawberry runs well on the Eee, but you can't really install it.
There are various guides, which basically consist of

Install anaconda
Run liveinst
Fight with partitioning (hint, don't choose automatic, choose custom,
delete everything and make an ext3 partition)
Fix the resulting broken redhat installation with no graphical
interface by installing the entire KDE stack and messing with inittab
(note, you'll need a wired ethernet connection, or epic iwconfig fu)
Install sugar

The first work around was just to dd the SOAS usb image directly onto
the Eee's drive. This was good, the Eee boots quickly and starts sugar
by default, however our USB image was only 1GB so we couldn't use the
rest of the disk, and the journal complained that it was full, even
when it wasn't. I think the journal problem was probably to do with
the tricks the live image performs to boot of read only media, since
we did a byte-for-byte copy of the live image, these are all still
present when booting from the Eee's drive.

I'm told a future version of SOAS may support installation to the hard disk.

The current solution is the Ubuntu Netbook Remix and Sugar from
alsroot's PPA. I used the Karmic Koala Beta and updated to the latest
packages. This wasn't entirely plain sailing, Sugar's web browse
activity didn't work until I did apt-get build-dep python-hulahop, see
this bug. This has made the Eee a really nice platform, you can alt
tab between Sugar and your other apps but not the netbook remix menu
thing, so you can't start new non-sugar apps without quitting Sugar.
The only real problem is the Eee 701's low res screen - not all
activities are designed to shrink this far, Scratch being the most
missed example as it is my nieces favourite.

The things you do (or your helper does) to please a nine year old. Big
thanks to said helper for giving up about 10 hours more than I thought
we needed.

Sharing the experience, I hope that this helps the developers see
where the issues were and that next time I try this (I have another
Eee ready) that it is easy to see improvements - I can wait a while
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar-desarrollo] themes GUI

2009-10-16 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Have you restarted Sugar and your changes are still in ?.


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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Esteban Arias
esteban.arias...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I need to create a new theme to graphic interface for sugar.
 this them I copy to path: /usr/share/themes/myTheme/...

 but,

 How do I apply this theme? or change the configuration to apply this theme?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] memory usage analysis

2009-10-11 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi all

For further references, updating and work, we are going to have these
pages here.

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Memory/Usage_Analysis

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Memory/Leak_testing


Cheers!
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 Hi,

 back then I wrote these pages to assist developers in understanding
 the memory usage patterns of activities and the shell and for
 detecting leaks:

 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/MemoryUsageAnalysis
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Memory_leak_testing

 They may need some updating and removal of superfluous XO-isms. Hope
 it still helps someone and any help in improving them will be very
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Java on XO Laptop

2009-10-06 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
The applications run as expected in a low speed environment.
but my opinion is that the performance is acceptable.



Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Paulo Coutinho pa...@prsolucoes.com wrote:
 Humm...Thanks for the answers.

 Anyone have experience with java applications to say if it has a good
 performance?

 Ty.



 2009/10/6 DancesWithCars danceswithc...@gmail.com

 iirc, there are two options
 openjdk packages,
 and then Sun's Java.com downloads

 On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
 dir...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello Paulo.
 
  Java is not installed by default on the XO, you'd have to install it
  like in any other machine with a linux distro on it.
  As for Sugar there have been discussions about how to have  java
  applications bundled (.xo).
 
 
 
 
 
  Rafael Ortiz
 
 
 
  On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Paulo Coutinho pa...@prsolucoes.com
  wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Im newbie on XO Laptop, anyone know if it come with Java installed? Or
  have
  a java package for it?
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Java on XO Laptop

2009-10-05 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello Paulo.

Java is not installed by default on the XO, you'd have to install it
like in any other machine with a linux distro on it.
As for Sugar there have been discussions about how to have  java
applications bundled (.xo).





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 Im newbie on XO Laptop, anyone know if it come with Java installed? Or have
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Project Guidelines posted

2009-09-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote:
 On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 12:25 -0500, David Farning wrote:
 Project/SIGs are product focused.  The exist to help guide a project
 through it's life cycle.  For example, there has recently been some
 rather heated discussions about working more closely with Qt.  This is
 an example of a idea the could start as a SIG and grow into a project
 and be included in the Learning Platform if it proves useful.

 Sorry to have not been involved in this conversation.

 So it sounds to me like Karma should be an SL SIG and later an SL
 Project. I really don't have an idea of how it will be governed but I
 will leave that to later as i see how the community around it develops.
 So I guess Karma can't progress from SIG to project until the leadership
 process is defined.

 I feel bad because I have been putting the SL logo on the
 karmaeducation.org site. Sorry if I was using the SL branding
 prematurely. I also put the SL logo in the Karma presentations.


 Huh? Seems like an appropriate use of the logo to me.


For me also, it follows perfectly the guidelines:,

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Logo#Logo_usage


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi all.

I like blueberry, in spanish we can call it 'mora'. i like mora's juice ;).




Rafael Ortiz



On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 thanks Martin

 in fact I often worry about talking too much during the marketing
 meetings, others not getting a word in. I'd be delighted if
 nonmarketing Sugar Labs team members lurked or participated, although
 I have clear ideas about how to work on marketing puzzles I'll never
 claim to have all the answers.

 re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a
 classroom for Fedora.

 re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time

 Blueberry has been our working name for the next SoaS release since
 before the Strawberry release (we chose to have banners done in both
 red and blue logos so they would stay current longer) so I think we're
 all set with Blueberry?

 thanks

 Sean


 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Martin Dengler
 mar...@martindengler.com wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote:
 I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering

 You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard
 to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a
 directory...so I was hoping that you would just say yes or no - use
 [this one] when I asked you:

  Ah - so perhaps this:
 
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_05.png
 
  ...is the logo you want, not the one I mentioned in my email:
 
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png

 [Hoped for:]
 YES - use #5
 [or]
 NO - use #4

 But the reason I'm dragging this out even further is I got:

 About the logo, it's the blueberriest one we will want, variant 4

 Aha so it's 4...but no, wait:

 the one we used in the marketing materials prepared for the Strawberry
 launch, variant 6:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners

 ...so it's...6?!

 So do you want 4 (like you said first above) or 6 (like you said
 second above) or 5 (like you said earlier since you want it to be one
 of the ones from the beauty shot that clearly doesn't have 4 or 6)?


 No, there wasn't marketing decided, it was Tomeu who thought of
 flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit
 since natural wholesome sugars, a fun treat for kids), and
 sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting.

 Tomeu suggested exactly what he suggested, which was clearly NOT
 flavours: Cherry-Oak is not a flavour.  You and Eben were talking
 about colours explicitly and nobody said _anything_ about flavours:

 [SeanDaly]
 [Eben]
 [Tomeu]
 Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo
 color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask what
 color is the Sugar logo? and match that to the version number.

 I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty
 awesome idea.

 So awesome that it may solve the controversial issue of naming
 releases: Banana-Chocolate Sugar, Cherry-Oak Sugar, etc

 When I say marketing decided ice cream, I mean:

 1) marketing came up with the idea:

 [11:16:41] SeanDaly So, why not name SoaS versions as flavors, based
 on the boot logo color?
 [...]
 [11:18:38] SeanDaly caroline: I think the ice cream metaphor can
 really serve us

 2) marketing championed it

 [12:30:02] SeanDaly sdziallas: OK for SoaS v1 with a flavor name?
 [...]
 [12:30:44] SeanDaly I rather like strawberry as a first one, but i
 don't think we have a logo that color

 3) marketing called the vote:

 [12:34:07] SeanDaly Can we go with logo 06 Strawberry for this
  release?
 [12:34:26] SeanDaly we can disagree all summer over the next one
  (joke)
 [...]
 [12:35:54] mtd strawberry +1
 [...]
 [12:36:24] caroline strawberry +1
 [...]
 [12:36:49] sdziallas strawberry +1 from me, too ;)

 4) and marketing corrected me about the etymology :)

 It's certainly not worth the ink I've made you spill on it but it is
 nice to be able to say where the buck stopped with a given decision.
 If you don't want it pinned on you, ok :).


 The key takeaway is that marketing is not something that is tacked
 on at the end when something is ready for release, it's part of the
 development process.

 Sure, that's why we're having this discussion, right?

 But, again, there's no advantage to choosing the flavor/color beyond
 the next one. We should together pick the v3 flavor in a few months,
 not as a function of the 12 logos we have, but rather the catchiest
 and most fun one.

 Ok, I'm convinced.


 [marketing tips]
 Is this clear I hope?

 That marketing lesson was very clear and interesting - you should
 teach a course!

 thanks

 Sean

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Re: [Sugar-devel] video-chat9

2009-09-04 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Would be nice to have a log.


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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sameer Vermasve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
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 saying telepathy error. Any clues? Does it work for anyone else?
 AFAICR it worked with xs0.4

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[Sugar-devel] Metadata performance of Linux file systems

2009-09-04 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Interesting reading.

http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7497/2/


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Pilot in Berlin, Germany

2009-09-01 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
As a related note Sugar Labs Colombia pilots documentation
is going to live on the wiki:

Some documentation produced so far (technical side):

http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_con_fedora11_sobre_un_desktop

http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_con_fedora11_sobre_el_classmate

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote:
 Hi,

 some of you may know, I am doing a Sugar Pilot here in Germany. I try to
 keep my blog (listed on the sugarlabs planet as well) about my findings
 up to date [1]. For technical findings (how to setup nfs, ldap on Fedora
 for example) the plan is to use the wiki. 'Debatable things' I will try
 to bring up on the mailing list as well.

 Regards,
    Simon

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] project policy consensus

2009-09-01 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
The policy is ok to me also.


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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:44:48PM -0500, David Farning wrote:
 At the end of last week I posted a draft project policy[1] on the
 mailing list.  It has not received any public or private criticism.
 Unless I hear otherwise, I'll post it to the wiki tomorrow with a
 'draft' tag.

 david

 1. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-August/007993.html

 +1

 In my mind it correlates with proposing ideas to Engineering
 Committee(since there wasn't clear consensus in ml thread for example)
 or more, it makes redundant existing of Engineering Committee in most
 cases. I mean that if there is agreement about mission statement of
 proposed feature(i.e. w/o any technical details of implementation) it
 will be much easier to find consensus with particular implementation.

 So, I'm waiting for final wiki page which I could use to formalize
 a couple of ideas for 0.88 release cycle.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] new technical list in spanish

2009-08-29 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
The list was created to ensure and give the possibility to people that
don't know English or are not to confident in it to participate in
Sugar development,

We'll hope that students and developers from all Spanish-speaking
countries take the lead and begin to support the overall sugar
development.



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On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:33 AM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:38, Luke Faraonel...@faraone.cc wrote:
 On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 07:15, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:

 Please join if you would like to participate in discussions about
 Sugar development in Spanish.

 Won't this have the side effect of a segmented development community?

 It has all the downsides of creating a new mailing list. But given the
 low (almost null) participation in the existing mailing lists of the
 people who this new list is targeted, I think the benefits will
 outgrow the downsides.

 The education nature of the project is engaging many people who are
 not traditional open source contributors.  This is an excellent out
 reach opportunity.

 On
 which list would consensus be authoritative?

 If someone is opposed to someone else doing something, then that
 feedback needs to reach that someone else. I see how this can get
 messy but unless we bar participation in the community of people who
 don't speak english, we'll need to find a way to cope with this.

 I'll do my best to continue writing in mangled English:( to help keep
 the bar low for non-native English speaker who might feel their
 ability to communicate in English is not up to par:)

 david

 Regards,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] OCR?

2009-08-28 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
I've heard good things about

OpenCV

http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/

though i haven't use it yet.



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 on pictures taken by mobile phone cameras in more than 100 languages.
 The company wants to give away software (though not source code) in
 was that will get the company good publicity. So we are talking about
 using their software with the XO camera to read signs or full pages in
 books. Also whether we can add languages.

 This would mean making the OCR engine a separate download, the way we
 handle Adobe Flash.

 So is this likely to be worth the effort?

 Is there a Free Software OCR engine of adequate quality?

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: SarynPaint: a Java program packaged for the OLPC

2009-08-28 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Rafael Ortiz




-- Forwarded message --
From: Ben Wiley Sittler bsitt...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:29 AM
Subject: SarynPaint: a Java program packaged for the OLPC
To: OLPC Developer's List de...@laptop.org


A friend of mine wrote a hand/eye coordination game called SarynPaint
and recently released the source code. SarynPaint is written in Java,
so you'll need to install OpenJDK to use it. I just checked in minimal
support for launching it from Sugar and rolled a .xo activity bundle
file.

The project: http://sarynpaint.googlecode.com/

The activity bundle file: http://sarynpaint.googlecode.com/files/sarynpaint-1.xo

How to get OpenJDK: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Java#Installing_OpenJDK_Java

I haven't been able to test that .xo link on an actual OLPC yet, so
feel free to pass along bug reports, experiences, etc.

So, is there some way I could list the OpenJDK dependency in the
activity.info file and have the system offer to download and install
OpenJDK if it has not yet been installed?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6

2009-08-26 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello

i was trying these instructions
(http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1)  on an XO-1 for the new
build,
but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image
is there something else i should be doing ?.



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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos
Asprobounitismavrot...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Thank you.

 Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the 
 overlap with the GNOME PM remains.

 I guess the X-server and Gnome power management  updates also did not affect 
 the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one may be :)

 Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept 
 finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and 
 scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a 
 Journal entry.

 Other activities with problems

 Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since os3). 
 Could be a distro-specific problem though.

 Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming up 
 (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. The 
 silent recording is not saved at the bottom strip.

 Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record anything 
 on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the second 
 launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in os5. If 
 you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see the mic 
 again)

 Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus 
 warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application  file in 
 ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/  and from there can not find the modules 
 that do exist.

 Of course could be independent problems.

 Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going to 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Testing] New F11 for the XO-1 Build 6

2009-08-26 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Thanks for your reply  Mitch.

Even thought, i pressed the '√' gamepad button at boot
the system does not pass from loading ramdisk,
can any body build a new F11 on XO  .img with the solution propossed
by Mitch ?

wmb: The solution for this is to add dcon-unfreeze unfreeze to
/boot/olpc.fth, somewhere before the boot line, thus turning off
pretty boot. Alternatively, if you want to keep pretty boot,
releasing the screen only after all of the text messages have
finished, you can add echo 0 /sys/devices/platform/dcon/freeze to a
late initscript.

or what can i do to workaround this issue ?.

Rafael Ortiz



On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Mitch Bradleyw...@laptop.org wrote:
 It's probably the same thing as the first item in
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rawhide-XO#Known_issues

 We made pretty boot the default in later versions of Open Firmware,
 but many alternative operating systems don't know how to unfreeze the
 screen.

 Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero wrote:
 Hello

 i was trying these instructions
 (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1)  on an XO-1 for the new
 build,
 but the booting gets stuck on loading the ramdisk image
 is there something else i should be doing ?.



 Rafael Ortiz



 On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Yioryos
 Asprobounitismavrot...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Thank you.

 Now olpc-powerd works as advertised. Kudos. However the problem with the 
 overlap with the GNOME PM remains.

 I guess the X-server and Gnome power management  updates also did not 
 affect the battery monitor and screen rotation issues rotation. Next one 
 may be :)

 Did the automatic software update ok, found etoys-103, updated it but kept 
 finding it as updatable. This was also the case with os5. Also etoys (and 
 scratch) fail to get the fill color after the first use and to not have a 
 Journal entry.

 Other activities with problems

 Pippy-34 fails to find and import modules (I have filled a ticked since 
 os3). Could be a distro-specific problem though.

 Record does _not_ record sound. Actually the mic light is not even coming 
 up (this was also the case in os5). Use of mic does not solve the problem. 
 The silent recording is not saved at the bottom strip.

 Measure also fails to see the mic (internal or external) and record 
 anything on first launch. Is there anyway to test if mic is working? On the 
 second launch Measure fails to load altogether. This was also the case in 
 os5. If you erase the existing Journal entry launches OK (but fails to see 
 the mic again)

 Might be an issue with Journal/paths? (datastore log is full of dbus 
 warnings) Pippy also generates a working tmp copy of the application  file 
 in ~/.sugar/default/org.laptop/tmp/  and from there can not find the 
 modules that do exist.

 Of course could be independent problems.

 Should I be filling tickets with (if not present)? I mean is F11-XO1 going 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] trac.sugarlabs.org: Trac being upgraded, Aug 23 10:00-13:00 EST

2009-08-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello


 I'd also like to propose using the URL http://trac.sugarlabs.org to
 refer to our trac instance.  The dev. cname was appropriate when trac
 was supposed to be the central part of our development infrastructure.
 Now it would make more sense to use it for Gitorious, if at all.

+1 for me ;).


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world

2009-08-16 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Sean's point is important reminding us that when we talk of the
Sugar user experience similar findings can be found on small
deployments everywhere or in large deployments everywhere..
the differences are related to resources of hardware, electricity,
networking and in general scalability of this resources (school server
for example).




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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just to clarify, when I spoke of studying a small deployment closely,
 I was thinking of both the GPA pilot and any other closely studied
 small deployment, which could be anywhere, including Nepal.

 Similar findings (e.g. first-time difficulty of quitting Activities?)
 in disparate conditions will be beneficial to everyone.

 Other findings will not; I expect developed-country schools to face
 gadget competition issues, where kids compare Sugar to their
 Nintendo DS interfaces, or netbook performance to fancy home
 computers.

 I am convinced most if not all large deployments have obtained
 feedback and some work in locating contacts and translating documents
 will be very beneficial for Sugar. If, of course, the conclusions of
 such studies are not trumpeted as OLPC failure fodder, but as
 information necessary to improve Sugar.

 I have experience running IT in infrastructure-challenged environments
 and I doff my cap to those who have to struggle just to get a Home
 View on a screen in front of a Learner.

 I think we can agree that obtaining, triaging, analysing and reporting
 feedback from all sources is an important yet undoubtedly difficult
 goal.

 Sean.



 On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:03 AM, Christoph
 Derndorfere0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at wrote:
 David Farning schrieb:

 And yes, Christoph I _am_ holding your writing to a higher standard.
 Several times, you have described yourself as the voice of the
 project.

 David, just for the record: I definitely don't consider myself the voice
 of Sugar Labs, that's just ludicrous and I can't remember ever making such a
 claim or acting accordingly.

 At the best of times I might be a voice of many and in this instance I
 decided to raise it to draw attention to the larger global picture that
 we're operating in. Some clearly seem to have understood that intention of
 my message.

 To smooth the ruffled feathers let me reiterate that I think we can learn
 many things from the ongoing efforts at GPA. However we mustn't believe that
 the findings will always be a representative reflection of the issues faced
 by the 1,000,000 other Sugar users around the globe.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] sunjammer: VM relocated back to old host

2009-08-15 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Relating aslo management, maybe we can ask mozilla folks about it? ,
would be nice to know how is their setup.





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On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote:
 El Sat, 15-08-2009 a las 13:59 +0200, Luke Faraone escribió:
 On Aug 15, 2009, at 12:42, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote:
  I enabled mod_mem_cache in the hope it will save some computation, but
  if it's not effective we might have to reduce the number of Apache
  processes and start returning 500 server busy errors.

 Maybe pipe downloads through the CoralCDN? It tends to be slow, but
 it'll save us bandwidth...

 We have plenty of bandwidth we don't use.

 Our actual bottlenecks are in interpreting PHP code and executing MySQL
 queries related to activities.sugarlabs.org.  We're already employing
 all the current optimization tricks, including mod_cache, APC and
 memcache.  There might still indexes we could add to speed up slow
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11)

2009-08-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Also please share your ideas on have to better this feedback on the
deployment team, meetings and wiki-pages.

as a side note. we need also more feedback from XO deployments with
Sugar, are OLPC and Countries  willing to help ?.
or just passing all the responsibility to SugarLabs?.

I know that many of you can't answer that question..because
we don't know actually how is the actual state of XO deployments
with sugar..or yes?.

Because regarding SOAS and small trials with Classmates or pc's, run
by little local labs  we DO have more information.

As an example SugarLabs Co [1], is documenting all it's process on the
wiki and also Sugar labs Chile [2] is beginning to do so.

[1]http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Pedagogia/Talleres
[2] http://cl.sugarlabs.org/go/Propuesta_Municipalidad_Huechuraba

i also see every day feedback on the GPA pilot..both on mailists and on trac

What about  Peru and Uruguay ?.
Because teachers working with us on OLPC-sur are only volunteers that
don't seem to have access to information of the status of the overall
project or less participate about it's direction.


cheers!.




Rafael Ortiz



On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:17 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 David,

 Thank you, that is exactly the direction that we need to head!

 david

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:11 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote:
 From my end, I can offer extensive feedback on Sugar usage in Andalucian
 schools, when we ship our next release in September. As this is a pretty
 controlled environment, we should be able to get some automated statistics.
 I'd love to hear some ideas on this. What could we install on the client
 sugar sessions to track things... perhaps, programs being used, length of
 time used, internet connectivity or not, etc. What I'm saying is, we could
 build some kind of statistic tracking into the computers as long as its not
 efficiency damaging or privacy violating...

 kind regards,
 David Van Assche

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 [snip]
  Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not
  seeing
  it?

 We all seem to agree that feedback is important.

 We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments,
 big and small.

 We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the
 Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al.

 We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means
 of getting it. You ideas are welcome!

 -walter

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote:
 El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 15:16 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió:
 In any case, PDF is a good presentation format. Why make it
 significantly more complex for small-to-none improvements to its main
 purpose?

 Agreed.

 And, btw, as people are gradually loosing the habit of printing on
 paper, document formats designed to paging and static layout will slowly
 decline.

 How much have you been using OpenOffice Write lately?  Or MS Word?  Or
 even TeX?  Now compare this with email, wiki and HTML.

 I think few people will care about PDF 10 years from now -- maybe just 5
 years from now.  With or without Javascript ;-).

i wish i was so optimistic but  in some parts of the world the time
frame for this change could be higher than 10 years.





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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Clock Activity] translation error

2009-08-06 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello Andres.

I've filled

http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1144

in order to solve this issue.


Rafael Ortiz



On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Andrés Arrieta
Perréardandres.ap.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 On the clock-5.xo activity there is an error with the spanish translation on
 line 186 which says:
  hour(21) = Son las neuve |\n
 And should say:
  hour(21) = Son las nueve |\n
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sur] sitio sugarlabs

2009-08-04 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
This seems lika a bug.

English site is fine has the download button but in the spanish site
this button is not present.

Probably is some error  regarding localization...



Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Sorry I don't speak spanish so we will have to depend on google translate.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gabriel Eireagei...@gmail.com wrote:
 (translation of Paola's comments; this is an issue I brought up a
 couple of times in the past)

 Hi..
 This Saturday's afternoon I realized that on the sugarlabs site, where
 activities are, they removed the download button to download them
 easily.
 What is the reason??

 Are you looking at activities.sugarlabs.org ? Can you check to see if
 the english translation athttp://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/
 work scorrectly?  It might be somethng in the localization process.

 Sincerely so many changes in the site and so varied make people with
 not much command (the enormous majority) get lost more and more.
 The activities classification that was there before was much more
 practical than now, because a list of activities of every subject
 would be shown. Now there are frames like most downloaded, etc. but
 there are not all of them. If you want a list of all from one category
 you need to start searching and I have seen people with no idea on how
 to do it.
 One day you explain them how to do it... the try it and they can't
 because at the time the try to do it everything had changed!!
 It's not that I'm being whiny.. but every day it is more difficult to
 explain how to download activities and how to search for them to
 people that has no idea of anything..

 Over the next couple months we hope to improve Sugar and Sugar Labs by
 improving communication between deployments and developers.

 david

 By

 Hola..
 el sábado de tarde me di cuenta que en el sitio de sugarlabs, donde
 están las actividades, han sacado en botón descargar para poder
 descargarlas fácilmente.
 Cuál es el motivo??
 Sinceramente tantos cambios en el sitio y tan variados, hacen que la
 gente que no tiene mucho dominio (la enorme may, se poría) se pierda
 cada vez más.
 La clasificación de actividades que estaba antes era mucho más
 práctica que ahora, ya que aparecía una lista de las actividades de tal
 tema. Ahora aparecen cuadros como las más descargadas, etc.. pero no
 están todas. Si se quiere el listado de todas las de tal categoría ya
 hay que ponerse a buscar y realmente he visto a gente que no tiene ni
 idea como moverse allí.
 Un día se les explica cómo hacerlo.. lo intentan y no pueden porque
 cuando lo fueron a hacer ya tenían todo cambiado!!!
 No es que sea quejosa.. es que cada día resulta más difícil explicar
 cómo bajar actividades y cómo buscarlas a gente que no tiene idea de
 nada..

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sur] sitio sugarlabs

2009-08-04 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
cc -= olpc-sur

Bug filled to follow this issue.

http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1134

Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz
Guerrerodir...@gmail.com wrote:
 This seems lika a bug.

 English site is fine has the download button but in the spanish site
 this button is not present.

 Probably is some error  regarding localization...



 Rafael Ortiz



 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Sorry I don't speak spanish so we will have to depend on google translate.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gabriel Eireagei...@gmail.com wrote:
 (translation of Paola's comments; this is an issue I brought up a
 couple of times in the past)

 Hi..
 This Saturday's afternoon I realized that on the sugarlabs site, where
 activities are, they removed the download button to download them
 easily.
 What is the reason??

 Are you looking at activities.sugarlabs.org ? Can you check to see if
 the english translation athttp://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/
 work scorrectly?  It might be somethng in the localization process.

 Sincerely so many changes in the site and so varied make people with
 not much command (the enormous majority) get lost more and more.
 The activities classification that was there before was much more
 practical than now, because a list of activities of every subject
 would be shown. Now there are frames like most downloaded, etc. but
 there are not all of them. If you want a list of all from one category
 you need to start searching and I have seen people with no idea on how
 to do it.
 One day you explain them how to do it... the try it and they can't
 because at the time the try to do it everything had changed!!
 It's not that I'm being whiny.. but every day it is more difficult to
 explain how to download activities and how to search for them to
 people that has no idea of anything..

 Over the next couple months we hope to improve Sugar and Sugar Labs by
 improving communication between deployments and developers.

 david

 By

 Hola..
 el sábado de tarde me di cuenta que en el sitio de sugarlabs, donde
 están las actividades, han sacado en botón descargar para poder
 descargarlas fácilmente.
 Cuál es el motivo??
 Sinceramente tantos cambios en el sitio y tan variados, hacen que la
 gente que no tiene mucho dominio (la enorme may, se poría) se pierda
 cada vez más.
 La clasificación de actividades que estaba antes era mucho más
 práctica que ahora, ya que aparecía una lista de las actividades de tal
 tema. Ahora aparecen cuadros como las más descargadas, etc.. pero no
 están todas. Si se quiere el listado de todas las de tal categoría ya
 hay que ponerse a buscar y realmente he visto a gente que no tiene ni
 idea como moverse allí.
 Un día se les explica cómo hacerlo.. lo intentan y no pueden porque
 cuando lo fueron a hacer ya tenían todo cambiado!!!
 No es que sea quejosa.. es que cada día resulta más difícil explicar
 cómo bajar actividades y cómo buscarlas a gente que no tiene idea de
 nada..

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sur] sitio sugarlabs

2009-08-04 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello David.

We are thinking the same, our approach towards deployments has to be
this way, and regardless of the tools we use is ideal to have persons
in the middle that can interpretate the different needs of deployers,
educators and developers to ''translate'' those to a common language.





Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:43 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 Thanks Rafael,

 This is exactly how I envision this process working:)  A person
 working a deployment sent feedback on something that did not work for
 them.  We worked together to narrow down the problem and then Rafael
 filed a bug report.

 Based alsroot's productivity rate, I would expect to see a fix within
 the next few day.  Even better everyone involved in the process has
 built a little more trust that this type of system can work.

 david

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz
 Guerrerodir...@gmail.com wrote:
 cc -= olpc-sur

 Bug filled to follow this issue.

 http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1134

 Rafael Ortiz



 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz
 Guerrerodir...@gmail.com wrote:
 This seems lika a bug.

 English site is fine has the download button but in the spanish site
 this button is not present.

 Probably is some error  regarding localization...



 Rafael Ortiz



 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org 
 wrote:
 Sorry I don't speak spanish so we will have to depend on google translate.

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Gabriel Eireagei...@gmail.com wrote:
 (translation of Paola's comments; this is an issue I brought up a
 couple of times in the past)

 Hi..
 This Saturday's afternoon I realized that on the sugarlabs site, where
 activities are, they removed the download button to download them
 easily.
 What is the reason??

 Are you looking at activities.sugarlabs.org ? Can you check to see if
 the english translation athttp://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/
 work scorrectly?  It might be somethng in the localization process.

 Sincerely so many changes in the site and so varied make people with
 not much command (the enormous majority) get lost more and more.
 The activities classification that was there before was much more
 practical than now, because a list of activities of every subject
 would be shown. Now there are frames like most downloaded, etc. but
 there are not all of them. If you want a list of all from one category
 you need to start searching and I have seen people with no idea on how
 to do it.
 One day you explain them how to do it... the try it and they can't
 because at the time the try to do it everything had changed!!
 It's not that I'm being whiny.. but every day it is more difficult to
 explain how to download activities and how to search for them to
 people that has no idea of anything..

 Over the next couple months we hope to improve Sugar and Sugar Labs by
 improving communication between deployments and developers.

 david

 By

 Hola..
 el sábado de tarde me di cuenta que en el sitio de sugarlabs, donde
 están las actividades, han sacado en botón descargar para poder
 descargarlas fácilmente.
 Cuál es el motivo??
 Sinceramente tantos cambios en el sitio y tan variados, hacen que la
 gente que no tiene mucho dominio (la enorme may, se poría) se pierda
 cada vez más.
 La clasificación de actividades que estaba antes era mucho más
 práctica que ahora, ya que aparecía una lista de las actividades de tal
 tema. Ahora aparecen cuadros como las más descargadas, etc.. pero no
 están todas. Si se quiere el listado de todas las de tal categoría ya
 hay que ponerse a buscar y realmente he visto a gente que no tiene ni
 idea como moverse allí.
 Un día se les explica cómo hacerlo.. lo intentan y no pueden porque
 cuando lo fueron a hacer ya tenían todo cambiado!!!
 No es que sea quejosa.. es que cada día resulta más difícil explicar
 cómo bajar actividades y cómo buscarlas a gente que no tiene idea de
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on HP Mini 110

2009-07-27 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Phillipe et all.

I tested this on a classmate, but the procedure is not so replicable
or straight forward.

http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_en_CM/lang-en

if it does work, it must be useful for your hp.

Anyways for a better chance I'd follow tomeu's hint.


hth
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2009/7/27 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org:
 2009/7/27 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net:
 I have just failed an attempt to install Soas on a HP Mini 110. I
 get the same behaviour as when I tried the same thing on a KVM
 instance. The system simpy fails to load X and just shows a console
 login.

 I am attaching the Xorg.0.log file in the hope that someone will find
 something wrong that I missed.

 To do the installation, I used liveinst from anaconda as previously
 recommanded on this list.

 In case people here cannot help with this issue, I would try
 installing the official Fedora 11 live cd:

 http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora

 If you have also problems with that, then you can use the regular
 fedora support channels which will be able to help better, for
 example:

 http://fedoraforum.org/

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Duplication of Effort: Don't do it.

2009-07-27 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
 Hi All.

I think Benjamin got a point when he refers to

''99.99% of all deployed computers running Sugar are XO-1's, and
will soon be XO-1.5's. These are strongly resource-constrained machines,
and they cannot tolerate inefficiency in the use of disk, CPU, or RAM.
Outside of OLPC, we continue to target low-end hardware where efficiency
is key.

 If we allow Read to depend on Webkit, but Browse uses Gecko, then to use
them both, the operating system must load two entirely separate rendering
engines into memory.  On an XO-1 this may be impossible; it will certainly
lower the threshold for OOM behavior.  Similarly, loading both the Qt and
GTK libraries into memory at once dramatically increases memory usage, and
 wastes valuable disk space.''

but, the real problem that we have to face is (as David) says is
that  duplication is a cost which must be managed.
and a time factor also enters in the scene.

If these duplication costs (over time)  can be covered in order to
have sugar having all it's qualities both running in hardware
constraint environments and reaching out to a broader audience, i
think we can assure ourselves a good growth enviroment. But ONLY if
these two requirements are fulfilled, Sugar community can continue to
have this discussion, if not my opinion is that we must choose quality
over quantity.

following this conceptual point of start, the technical matters should
proceed clarifying the path...










On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 3:27 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Benjamin M.
 Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 I have lately seen a lot of duplication of effort in Sugar.  I think this
 is bad.  The success of Sugar demands discipline and careful planning from
 its developers.

 Yes, duplication of effort _is_ undesirable.   It is an inherent cost
 in open source projects.

 In an hierarchical project, a significant amount of effort is spent by
 managers coordinating, directing, and controlling their subordinates.
 The goal is to insure that workers are effectively spending their time
 on approved projects.

 In an open source project their is _no_ way to control the work of
 subordinates.  Nor should a project spend its limited resources on
 managers instead of developers and educators.  The intelligence is in
 the leaves.

 The project must establish a culture which attracts participants to
 work towards a common mission and vision.  Open source is
 evolutionary.  Evolution depends on parallelism.  Good lines survive.
 Bad lines die.

 We have not moved far enough forward far on the Qt issue for me to
 have a stance.

 As this, and other, discussions moves forward I would like shift one
 of the conversation premises from 'duplication of effort is bad' to
 'duplication is a cost which must be managed.'

 Projects which succeed, manage these costs.

 david

 In particular, I am arguing that supporting Qt or Webkit would be a
 terrible idea, and that neither should be permitted to be a dependency of
 the Sugar platform.  However, my argument is certainly more general.

 1. Bloat is bad.

 Efficiency is one of the main goals of Sugar.  Sugar was created to
 fulfill a vision of the original Hundred Dollar Laptop Project:

 We will get the fat out of the system.  Today's laptops have become
 obese. Two-thirds of their software is used to manage the other third,
 which mostly does the same functions nine different ways. [1]

 It's true.  99.99% of all deployed computers running Sugar are XO-1's, and
 will soon be XO-1.5's. These are strongly resource-constrained machines,
 and they cannot tolerate inefficiency in the use of disk, CPU, or RAM.
 Outside of OLPC, we continue to target low-end hardware where efficiency
 is key.

 If we allow Read to depend on Webkit, but Browse uses Gecko, then to use
 them both, the operating system must load two entirely separate rendering
 engines into memory.  On an XO-1 this may be impossible; it will certainly
 lower the threshold for OOM behavior.  Similarly, loading both the Qt and
 GTK libraries into memory at once dramatically increases memory usage, and
 wastes valuable disk space.

 Don't do it.

 2. Technological uniformity is an educational decision.

 Sugar, and its activities, are written using a uniform set of
 technologies, centered around pygtk.  This is deliberate.  The goal is to
 crush the barrier to entry, so that a student who learns how to modify
 python activities immediately has enough knowledge to modify Sugar itself.
  This is the incarnation of low floor, no ceiling.  It is what enables
 the culture of end-user engineering that we strive to create.

 Adding more supported technologies for writing Activities raises new
 barriers to entry.  A student who learns how to modify a Qt-based activity
 does not gain knowledge that will help to modify Sugar itself.  A user who
 has learned pygtk still does not have enough knowledge to modify 

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Transifex

2009-07-27 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
We have been working great with pootle, although it has some
technical inconveniences (IIRC), they are working towards a django
development to solve issues (don't know which though)

IMHO,  pootle  is very  intuitive for translators.

anyway, I'll wait for Sayamindu's opinion.



Rafael Ortiz



On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 I am not familiar with transflex. Something we should be looking into?

 -walter


 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Theodoros G. Karounos karou...@mail.ntua.gr
 Date: Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:40 PM
 Subject: Transifex
 To: walter.ben...@gmail.com
 Cc: Dimitris Glezos gle...@indifex.com


 Walter,
 one of our colleagues is the founder of http://transifex.org/ .
 Transifex was built from the start to act as a bridge between  content and
 translators: It works directly with upstream projects and all
 transactions are automatically applied to the remote source
 repository. This means that the translation community can contribute
 straight to the original content, no matter where it is hosted. This
 removes the need to host contributions on the translation server
 itself, and minimizes the overhead of constantly sync-ing content
 between the servers.

 Transifex is currently used by two major Linux distributions: Moblin,
 supported by Intel and the Linux Foundation, and Fedora, sponsored by
 Red Hat. It is also used on www.transifex.net, a common hub for
 translations. The latter is supported by Indifex, which is a company
 driving the development of Tx, also providing support and consultancy
 around the technology and community-powered L10n in general.

 You can read more about it at:

  http://lwn.net/Articles/325311/
  http://blog.transifex.net/2009/03/let-a-thousand-languages-bloom/

 I'm also CCing Dimitris Glezos, Tx's lead developer, to answer any  questions.

 Regards,
 Theodoros


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Board elections (was Re: [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-07-22)

2009-07-24 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Tomeu,

I'm my opinion you should be on the board,
just for obvious meritocracy ;).


Rafael Ortiz



On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 20:05, Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:

 3. I put out a call for help with our Election Committee a few weeks
 ago. We need to hold an election for the Oversight Board in August. So
 far, I have gotten no volunteers. It is not appropriate that I run the
 election, as I am a member of the Board. It is not a lot of work, but
 it should be done a community member.

 Would be appropriate for me to do that if I stepped down from the
 present board and didn't presented myself for next year? I would do so
 if nobody else can take this job and the candidate list looks good
 enough to me (right now it's in a good start).

 If you are interested in being a candidate, please add your name to
 the list in the wik.
 [[Sugar_Labs/Governance/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates]]

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Board elections (was Re: Sugar Digest 2009-07-22)

2009-07-24 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 18:28, Rafael Enrique Ortiz
 Guerrerodir...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tomeu,

 I'm my opinion you should be on the board,
 just for obvious meritocracy ;).

 Well, it's not like the people in the board make weekly dinners in
 five-start restaurants ;)

Precisely, board needs people that doesn't care about five-stars
hotels or dinners! ;)


 The important thing here is that the group of people selected are seen
 as capable of keeping SLs in the right track if things get bad. The
 proposals are very good as of now, we just need more capable and
 passionate people to join the candidates list.

 Regards,
 Tomeu


Sure, +1.

 Rafael Ortiz



 On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 20:05, Walter Benderwalter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:

 3. I put out a call for help with our Election Committee a few weeks
 ago. We need to hold an election for the Oversight Board in August. So
 far, I have gotten no volunteers. It is not appropriate that I run the
 election, as I am a member of the Board. It is not a lot of work, but
 it should be done a community member.

 Would be appropriate for me to do that if I stepped down from the
 present board and didn't presented myself for next year? I would do so
 if nobody else can take this job and the candidate list looks good
 enough to me (right now it's in a good start).

 If you are interested in being a candidate, please add your name to
 the list in the wik.
 [[Sugar_Labs/Governance/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates]]

 Regards,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] #1088 UNSP: change ASLO favicon

2009-07-21 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
I would like this one for ASLO. :)

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/5/50/Favicon_05.png


Rafael Ortiz



On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 05:30:12AM -, SugarLabs Bugs wrote:
 #1088: change ASLO favicon
 --+-
     Reporter:  RafaelOrtiz                |          Owner:  alsroot
         Type:  enhancement                |         Status:  new
     Priority:  Unspecified by Maintainer  |      Milestone:  Unspecified by 
 Release Team
    Component:  activities.sugarlabs.org   |        Version:  Unspecified
     Severity:  Unspecified                |       Keywords:
 Distribution:  Unspecified                |   Status_field:  Unconfirmed
 --+-
  Now, ASLO's favicon is the same as addons,
  we have to chenge ir for our own favicon

  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Favicon_02.png

 I wonder what color scheme should be used for ASLO favicon?

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Favicon_02.png
 is used for wiki

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Favicon_04.png
 according to http://people.sugarlabs.org/ is planet favicon

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Beagle board.

2009-07-14 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Elena


On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Elena of
Valhallaelena.valha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi

 On 7/8/09, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero raf...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Irc bernie was telling me that you might have some written
 documentation about how
 to install Sugar on the beagle board,

 no, unluckily I don't have any written documentation, and lately I
 didn't have time to work on it (I've also been away from my main
 computer for a while, sorry for the late answer)

 It is currently possible to use the openembedded dev tree to build an
 image that includes sugar and can be installed on the beagleboard, but
 it's still missing at least a dependency

 if you have any question about it feel free to ask; often I'm also
 online on irc in #sugar, #oe and #beagle on freenote, as valhalla


Thanks for the pointers

 I'm kind of investigating this kind of enviroments for Sugar
 solutions, so i was wondering if you can share the documentation with
 us? it would be very useful.

 As soon as there is some, of course I would be glad to share it;
 anyway I'm trying to get something that can be installed like any
 other Angstrom beagleboard image, using the existing documentation.

 Another option that I didn't try yet would be to install debian on the
 beagleboard and apt-getting sugar, but I'm afraid that it would
 include version 0.82 of sugar.

yep. I'm afraid that's truth.

Thanks again for your reply...i'll be in touch on IRC.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Conozco Uruguay on Activities.Sugarlabs.org?

2009-07-14 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Activity approved

Url:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4199

Release notes:


Reviewer comments:
This request has been approved.
But this activity doesn't scale at all and at least on 1024x768 it
looks a bit not useful. It would be great if you implement scaling.
I'm also added 0.82 to supported Sugar Platforms list since it works
fine on XO-767 environments.


Thanks to Aleksey.

Rafael Ortiz



On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Gabriel Eireagei...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Caroline:

 I have just uploaded Conozco Uruguay to activities.sugarlabs.org but
 it needs to get thru an editor before being published.

 By the way, I have been writing a tutorial on how to modify the
 activity in order to include different maps and questions. It is still
 in Spanish only, but if you want to give it a try you may find it in:

 http://drupal.ceibaljam.org/?q=node/46

 You can create maps for other regions (for example the US), substitute
 the files using the same pixel dimensions and it should work. The
 names are self descriptive but they are in Spanish. I will translate
 the tutorial when I find some time to do it.

 I hope you find it useful.

 Regards,

 Gabriel


 2009/7/13 Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com:
 Hi,

 I'd like to let the GPA 3rd graders play with Conozco Uruguay on Weds.

 Is there any chance someone could put it onto Activities.Sugarlabs.org for
 me?  It would be easier for kids to find and it would also teach them how to
 get new activities.

 Its not a show stopper,we can have them find it on laptop.org but it would
 be nicer to have it on a.sl.o

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[Sugar-devel] Sugar on Beagle board.

2009-07-08 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Elena,

On Irc bernie was telling me that you might have some written
documentation about how
to install Sugar on the beagle board,

I'm kind of investigating this kind of enviroments for Sugar
solutions, so i was wondering if you can share the documentation with
us? it would be very useful.


Cheers!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Java programs

2009-06-29 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello Caroline.

have you people though on using DimDim (it's floss)?

In order to work under Sugar, the program needs the Java runtime
environment, and some additions to your PATH.

but this is only to work, not counting the ''sugarization''.


HTH.
Rafael Ortiz


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Caroline Meeks
carol...@solutiongrove.comwrote:

 Caryl asked me if elluninate, the program we are using to give virtual
 presentations at NECC Unplugged works on Sugar.

 http://www.neccunplugged.com/

 It does not right now.  What would it take to make it work? What does it
 take to make a random Java program work? I know Concord Consortium has done
 a lot of their stuff in Java.

 This is a please educate me request, not a statement that I think this is a
 priority thing to do right now. :)

 Thanks,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Important: Please test the new Snapshot!

2009-06-21 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Ton,

Tamtam activities are not working on soas as per
http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/607,
so i guess this change is intentional.




On 6/21/09, Ton van Overbeek tvoverb...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de
 wrote:
   snip 
 And another snapshot on our way to the final image. The ring has been
 adjusted to display as well Record, Paint and Labyrinth by default.

 http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200906211228.iso


 A few first impressioms for Soas2-200906211228.iso:
 - Labyrinth is *not* a favorite (i.e. not in the ring) at first boot.
 - All tamtam activities are gone, intentional ???

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Re: [Sugar-devel] transition from activities/all to activities portal

2009-06-18 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello David.

That's the best option in my opinion.


cheers!.
Rafael Ortiz


On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:31 AM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 Chris,

 Upon further examining
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Browse_(8.2)http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/Browse_%288.2%29,
 I think that we can
 maintain backwards compatibility both technically and socially by
 using the existing /Activities/NAME_(VERSION) by pointing the links on
 that page to

 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/addon/4024
 and
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/sugar/downloads/latest/4024/

 This would not require any changes on currently deployed machines,
 just server side url updates.  I need to double check that the version
 detection happens correctly.

 Does this sound reasonable for a transition period?

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: new content bundle

2009-06-17 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Rafael Ortiz


-- Forwarded message --
From: Rodolfo D. Arce S. rodolfoa...@eyuhoo.com
Date: Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:47 AM
Subject: new content bundle
To: de...@lists.laptop.org


Hello:

I'm trying to ensamble a content bundle.. I used the script in the
wiki and the bundle maker.. it's working so far

I managed to create a bundle.xol but when i can't find the procedure
to install it.. i can manually install it by unziping, but i want to
be able to put it on the schoolserver and get the kids to install from
there

another thing.. Although i can access the files from within the file
system file:///home/olpc/Library/content/index.html i can't seem to
be able to put it on the index page of the browser so kids could
access from the menu, is there an easier way to do this

thanks again.. R
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow

2009-06-10 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
FWIW

+ 1 Ring of dots :)

Rafael Ortiz


On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Faisal Sadeq Khan o...@sadeq.me.ukwrote:

 +1 Ring of dots

 Best wishes.

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 2009/6/10 Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com

 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com writes:

  Ring of Dots
 
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#XO_Sugar_Boot_With_Overlap

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-24 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 6:31 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote:

 +1 on the overall.

 Building Sugar from source should be as easy as:

 ,
 | ~$ git://git.sugarlabs.org/sugar-core/mainline.git
 | ~$ ./configure
 | ~$ make
 | ~$ sudo make install
 `

 (Sidenote: I guess it's a gitorious thingy, but mainline.git is a pretty
 stupid name for a git repo. It forces the user to create folders by hand
 when pulling several projects.  Why not sugar-core.git?)


You can use something like..

git clone git://git.sugarlabs.org/project/mainline.git project


to avoid creating folders by hand.



 I would also advocate having sugar-jhbuild reduced to sugar-core, where
 the only activity is the Journal.  Other activities should be installed
 separately, either one by one or by bundle.

 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org writes:

  Today I've kick-started a newbie on building Sugar to fix a small bug
  and submit his first patch.
 
  It was just painful.  jhbuild has plenty of rough corners and we could
  easily make things easier with a few changes:
 
  1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of external projects.
  They break very often, and we cannot fix them.  Let's instead upgrade
  manually every once in a while after some testing.
 
  2) Do not build C modules that is already available (and recent enough)
  in popular distros.  Specifically: abiword, matchbox, hippocanvas...
 
  3) Let's move etoys away from the base set of components: the repository
  is often offline, building it breaks very often, and it takes a lot of
  time.  You don't need it in order to test Sugar, the same way you don't
  need TamTam and TurtleArt.
 
  4) We could check for prerequisites before starting the build.  Some
  configure scripts are stupid enough to fail tests silently and proceed
  anyway using no as a command name in make :-)
 
  If there's consensus on implementing one or more of these points, I can
  provide patches (or just go on and commit them).

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar in jaunty chroots... working today.

2009-05-23 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Thanks for this Michael.

I used your instructions a while ago on a debian testing
and made them work.

this procedure saved me the troubles related to working with sugar-jhbuild
on my main system.



Rafael Ortiz


On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:

 Hi folks,

 I just wanted to report a small victory: I worked out instructions at

   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Chroot

 which enabled me to run today's Ubuntu Jaunty sugar packages in a
 debootstrap
 chroot on my home machine. No promises that it will keep working tomorrow
 or
 that it will work on your crazy setup, but I think it's worth trying, since
 it
 /is/ fairly repeatable.

 Michael

 Who knows -- perhaps they'll work for others who are weary (or wary) of
 jhbuild?

 P.S. - If you're looking for a fun weekend project, then you might consider
 extending my notes by

   * making the instructions work on more platforms
   * figuring out how to cache the downloads, e.g. with approx
   * baked my logic into a downloadable script or makefile
   * etc...
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Developer MINUTES

2009-05-22 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hi Noise.

There is and there will be (i presume), a collaboration between the two
teams (OLPC and Sugarlabs), to port sugar to the XO 1.5.

but details on how this will be done are still missing.




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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM, NoiseEHC noise...@freemail.hu wrote:

 Are there any plans to port Sugar to the XO-1 or will it be the job of
 OLPC so it will be effectively abandoned?

 Simon Schampijer wrote:
  Attendees: Tomeu, Aleksey, Walter, Sayamindu, Simon
 
  Retrospect: We have been brainstorming on the Goals of the 0.86 release.
  The Output can be seen at
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86 Feel
  free to add items you feel important to the roadmap - have in mind that
  it is a short release cycle and therefore we have only a certain amount
  of things we can do.
 
  Prospect: Next week we will iter over the points and find owners for the
  them. The time to propose items ends the 5th of June after the
  developers meeting in two weeks. By then each feature item needs a
  concrete plan. Examples: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Library
  or https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit
 
  See you next week - a reminder will be send out.
 
  Regards,
  Simon
 
  PS: The schedule have been updated as well:
 
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Roadmap/0.86#Schedule
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Re: [Sugar-devel] A bot activity for sugar

2009-04-14 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
We have now a kinda-like bot activity. it's called hablar con sara,

it's mainly a chatter bot in union with speak, you type things and she
interacts with you..it can be taught to tell about how to make activities
etc.

http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4033

you might want to check it

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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Nirav Patel o...@spongezone.net wrote:

 Sounds like cool idea.  Just some issues you may run into.  IIRC, most
 of pyglet uses OpenGL, which would require hardware that most of what
 Sugar runs on doesn't have (XOs, netbooks) or Mesa, which may not be
 fast enough.

 Pygame is already a Sugar dependency, but combining pygame with pyGTK
 in a meaningful way on Sugar is currently an unsolved problem.
 Combining pyglet and pyGTK may result in similar problems, though I
 haven't tried it.

 There are UI libraries for pygame, but using pyGTK with cairo would
 probably result in a visual style more consistent with the rest of
 Sugar.

 Nirav

 On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
 vamsi.davul...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello,
 
  So I have been working on an IRC bot for a while, and an idea had
 occurred,
  what if we have a graphical bot with a few limited animations for now,
 make
  it an activity, and feed it with help and documentation on every other
  activity and itself ofcourse. In the future a language dictionary and
 such
  can be embedded into this bot.
  The bot's graphical features can be coded with pygtk(for the widget
 frame,
  text input), some pyglet/pygame for animations
  http://pyglet.org
 
  This will be most entertaining/ fun for any kid. As I remember my own
  experiences with such bots from a particular os. Kids love interaction,
  graphical interaction is by far the fastest way to plant knowledge about
  anything.
 
  Give me your opinions on this, maybe this will be something I will work
 on
  for sugar in the near future ;)
 
  Thank you
 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions

2009-04-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Rafael Ortiz


On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com writes:

  Or add them to ~/Activities/

 When running Sugar from, say,

  ~$ ./install/git/sugar-jhbuild run

 ?

 I moved some activities to ~/Activities/  but that doesn't seem to
 change anything...


Did you restart Sugar?.



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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code 2009 has begun!

2009-03-09 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
FYI ;)


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Subject: Google Summer of Code 2009 has begun!
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Hello everyone,

Google Summer of Code 2009 is on! We are now accepting applications [0] from
Free and Open Source software projects that would like to act as mentoring
organizations for the program, and the application deadline is March 13th.
We will begin accepting student applications on March 23rd.

Make sure to read our Frequently Asked Questions [1] and User's Guide [2]
before applying.

***Very Important:***
Google App Engine will be down for planned maintenance from 1:00 - 5:00 UTC
on March 10, 2009. During this time, no applications can be submitted. You
may also notice some slowness with the Google Summer of Code 2009 site [3] ,
which should be corrected after this planned maintenance. You are welcome to
wait until after the maintenance window to submit your application, as the
time when it is submitted has no effect on your chances for acceptance.
(Unless of course you don't apply before the deadline, in which case you are
guaranteed not be accepted. :)

***Even More Important:***
While we encourage students applicants to begin talking with would-be
mentoring organizations sooner rather than later, it is important to
reiterate that there is no guarantee that any particular organization will
be accepted. We will announce the list of accepted organizations on the 2009
program site on March 18th. It is also very important to note that even once
an organization is accepted, they cannot guarantee that any student will be
accepted into the program. The list of accepted students will be announced
on the 2009 program site on April 20th. To be very clear, until these
announcements are made, *nothing* is final, guaranteed, etc.

We are hanging out in #gsoc if you have questions. Please make sure to take
a look at the documentation before pinging.

Best of luck to all of our applicants. Our fifth Google Summer of Code is
on!

Cheers,
LH

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[Sugar-devel] Propuesta Merani

2009-02-26 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hola,

Nos acercamos al final de la propuesta para Merani, por favor revísenla y
corrijanla.

Lean la sección de notas para nosotros ;).




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Re: [Sugar-devel] Propuesta Merani

2009-02-26 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Ignore this

Sorry..


Rafael Ortiz


On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero 
dir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hola,

 Nos acercamos al final de la propuesta para Merani, por favor revísenla y
 corrijanla.

 Lean la sección de notas para nosotros ;).




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Re: [Sugar-devel] What should we call it? Addons of Activities

2009-02-18 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero

activities.sugarlabs.org



+1 also..for all the reasons stated before =).
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] addons.sugarlabs.org

2009-02-13 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Yes, the original name was activities.sugarlabs.org, i find it much better..


Cheers!
Rafael Ortiz


On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Ivan Krstić 
krs...@solarsail.hcs.harvard.edu wrote:

 On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
  http://addons.sugarlabs.org is up and running

 I expected this to be activities.sugarlabs.org, since the choice of
 'addons' comes from Firefox and isn't part of the usual Sugar
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[Sugar-devel] Static services for Local Labs

2009-02-11 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello all.

I was thinking that maybe Sugar Labs could host, cms like drupal or joomla
for Local Labs use,
Would be this an overhead for our young infrastructure ?
Is it better to Local Labs to have this kind of solutions sorted out locally
?


Cheers!
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