Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2024 : questions about wikipedia activity

2024-03-28 Thread Walter Bender
My mistake. I will update the project description.

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 4:18 PM James Cameron  wrote:

> The GSoC/Ideas-2024.md "Refactor the Wikipedia Activity to generate
> plain-language summaries"
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2024.md#refactor-the-wikipedia-activity-to-generate-plain-language-summaries
>
> says "the Wikipedia activity is designed to help teachers extract
> content from the Wikipedia in order to create lesson plans".
>
> Actually, that feature set is implemented by the InfoSlicer activity.
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/infoslicer
>
> The Wikipedia activity is an offline viewer for Wikipedia pages.
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity
>
> It does not make sense to use the Wikipedia activity when online,
> instead use the Browse activity, which is the web browser.
>
> The workflow for teachers to use the Wikipedia activity is to run the
> extraction process across the most popular articles, filter to remove
> sensitive articles, and then generate a (very large) Sugar activity
> bundle, which the students in a class can install.  It isn't used for
> lesson plans, but as a general offline cache, especially for students
> that have no internet while taking their class laptop home.  A very
> special use case.
>
> If the aim of the GSoC idea is to use AI to craft lesson plans from
> Wikipedia content, then I suggest using the Browse activity instead.
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 07:16:16PM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote:
> > The Wikipedia activity isn't part of the activities that comes with
> Sugar, so
> > you'll have to
> > clone and run the activity yourself.
> >
> > Our [1]contributing doc contains some helpful info.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Ibiam Chihurumnaya
> > [2]ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 7:04 PM Archit Agrawal <[3]
> architagrawal...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Walter,
> > I set up the sugar env on VirtualBox, fedora OS. But I don't see
> Wikipedia
> > activity in activity list.
> >
> >
> > [4]Mailtrack  Sender notified by  27/03/24, 10:59:55
> >   [5]Mailtrack
> >
> > *
> > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 4:00 PM Walter Bender <[6]
> walter.ben...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 6:41 PM Ruxue Jin <[7]
> ruxueji...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am interested in wikipedia activities: [8]Refactor the
> Wikipedia
> > Activity to generate plain-language summaries
> >
> > But I did not see this activity in the web application.
> >
> > By web application, I assume you mean Sugarizer. The Wikipedia
> App is a
> > Python app written for the Sugar Desktop.
> >
> > In this activity repo: [9]sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity (
> github.com)
> > , the last commit is 2015 and there are many websites
> returning 404
> > error.
> >
> > I don't imagine it has been updated in a long time. That is part
> of
> > what motivates this project.
> >
> > I wonder if there is an instruction on how to set up the
> >     environment and check the code.
> >
> > Please follow the instructions on how to set up the Sugar env.
> >
> > Thank you!
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> > [1]
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> > [2] mailto:ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
> > [3] mailto:architagrawal...@gmail.com
> > [4]
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC 2024] Request for Proposal Review: Transition to GTK4 Exploration Project

2024-03-28 Thread Walter Bender
Could you tell us a bit more about the actual migration? What has changed
and how does it impact Sugar? How does GNOME recommend approaching
migration? Are there lessons to be learned from the GTK2 --> GTK3 migration?

thx

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> Hello,
>
>
>
> I hope you're doing well. I've decided to switch my project focus from
> "Porting 12 Activities to Flatpak" to "GTK4 Exploration." I believe this
> project aligns better with my skills and interests.
>
>
>
> Could you please review my updated proposal for the GTK4 Exploration
> project? Your feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your continued support.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2024 : questions about wikipedia activity

2024-03-26 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 6:41 PM Ruxue Jin  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am interested in wikipedia activities: Refactor the Wikipedia Activity
> to generate plain-language summaries
> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2024.md#Refactor-the-Wikipedia-Activity-to-generate-plain-language-summaries>
>
> But I did not see this activity in the web application.
>

By web application, I assume you mean Sugarizer. The Wikipedia App is a
Python app written for the Sugar Desktop.

>
> In this activity repo: sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity (github.com)
> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity>, the last commit is
> 2015 and there are many websites returning 404 error.
>

I don't imagine it has been updated in a long time. That is part of what
motivates this project.

>
> I wonder if there is an instruction on how to set up the environment and
> check the code.
>

Please follow the instructions on how to set up the Sugar env.

>
> Thank you!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC Project Proposal help

2024-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 8:21 AM Aditya Kumar <1410adityaku...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am interested in working on the Music Blocks project for Google Summer
> of Code (GSoC), with the goal of
> *Adding real-time collaboration features to Music Blocks*
> However, I am unsure what to include in the proposal timeline and would
> appreciate a clearer project description.
>
The project timeline should be a week-by-week description of the steps you
will take to reach specific milestones you will have identified in your
proposal.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] PROPOSAL SUBMISSION FOR ADDING AI CHAT BOT TO CHAT ACTIVITY

2024-03-21 Thread Walter Bender
Regarding context, we could save the conversation locally to the journal.
If the user resumes that instance of chat, that could be used for context.
But I still see no reason to ever save user interactions/conversations on
the server side.

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 11:25 AM Atiene Jonathan 
wrote:

> Hi Chigurumnaya, cc Walter,
>
> Thanks for the feedback,
>
> I took the chat from the context of a personal chat and a group chat,
> where multiple user can be involved in the chat with the bot, if that is
> beyond the scope, Rate Limiting and Queue is actually important for an
> ordered system in times of high traffic its possible to get a rate limiting
> issue as open ai imposes this on every client
> <https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/rate-limits>.
>
> *Feasibility of multiple bots for different age grades and group chat.*
> you are right, after rethinking this i think it's over complex to follow
> this approach, one Bot with several prompts for the different age grade,
> and group chat, looks feasible its More scalable and easier to maintain.  i
> will also be using the set of age Range. (3-8)  (Ages 8 - 16)  (16 and
> above) we can further break this down with time.
>
> I plan on using a few prompting techniques to do this  i can provide some
> prompts also.
>
> https://www.promptingguide.ai/techniques
>
> - Ensure safe and appropriate interactions
> - Balance discussion with Educational value
>
> - Improve user interface.
>   i will be providing a tiny mockup ui to improve the experience things we
> can work on include
>  - Dark mode ,
>  - Chat bubbles
>  - Softer colors
>  - Introduce a more modern font,
> - I am not sure of the feasibility of a new icon tray
> -  Nice shadows for the input field.
>
> - Optimize for performance
> involves implementing a queue system for ordered messages in group chat
>
> - Ensure security.
> Just as @Walter said if we do not need to retain any user data, and just
> need only the uploaded info then it's ok we can work with that, i insisted
> on saving the conversation so we can always have a context to look up to.
>
> If you agree with me on this,
> then I can continue to produce the final proposal.
>
> Regards.
> Jonathan.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 4:43 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> To Ibiam's point, we need to be very careful in terms of ensuring privacy
>> for our users (children) so we do not retain any user data (with the
>> exception of anonymized project data that our users might upload to one of
>> our servers).
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 12:40 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> *Here we will introduce multiple bots for each of theage range that will
>>> be determined by a simple fuzzy logic for determining the age rangeof the
>>> greater number of participants in call.*"
>>>
>>> Multiple bots for each age range doesn't seem feasible, but I'm curious,
>>> what are the age ranges you'd
>>> like to implement it for and what would be the uniqueness of each?
>>>
>>> Some deliverables are vague;
>>>
>>> - Ensure safe and appropriate interactions
>>> - Balance discussion with Educational value
>>> - Improve user interface.
>>> - Optimize for performance
>>> - Ensure security.
>>>
>>> It'll be great to know how you plan on implementing these.
>>>
>>> Some of the things mentioned in *Further Enhancement *are also vague*.*
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Chatbot Interaction Analytics Develop a dashboard to monitor chatbot
>>> interactions and userengagement.*"
>>>
>>> This is beyond the scope of the project idea.
>>>
>>> Rate limiting isn't something that really fits into the idea as the
>>> interactions with the chatbot would usually
>>> happen with one user, except they're collaborating and even then I still
>>> don't see why it's needed.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:05 PM Atiene Jonathan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Chihurumnaya,
>>>> Attached is my proposal for task 2
>>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2024.md#Add-an-AI-chatbot-to-the-Chat-Activity>
>>>> of the GSOC 2024,
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have any feedback or questions for me.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Expressing intent for working on idea titled "Math Games"

2024-03-20 Thread Walter Bender
US East

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 5:33 PM Anurag Prasad  wrote:

> Thanks for the reply. I understand that my community engagement will be
> low but I still wish to make an attempt. I see you're a mentor on the idea
> I'm interested in. Can I know your timezone so that I can plan my work
> accordingly?
>
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, 02:59 Walter Bender,  wrote:
>
>> We'll consider any proposal that comes in by the GSoC deadline, but note
>> that we will have little basis upon which to judge your community
>> engagement.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 5:13 PM Anurag Prasad 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am Anurag Prasad, a senior-year student from India. I wish to
>>> participate in GSOC this year so I was looking at the ideas page of your
>>> organization. I wish to work on the idea titled "Math Games" and realize
>>> that it's very late to express my intent. So I would like to confirm from
>>> the mentor that if I build a proposal for the idea, will it be considered?
>>>
>>> Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Expressing intent for working on idea titled "Math Games"

2024-03-20 Thread Walter Bender
We'll consider any proposal that comes in by the GSoC deadline, but note
that we will have little basis upon which to judge your community
engagement.

regards.

-walter

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 5:13 PM Anurag Prasad  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am Anurag Prasad, a senior-year student from India. I wish to
> participate in GSOC this year so I was looking at the ideas page of your
> organization. I wish to work on the idea titled "Math Games" and realize
> that it's very late to express my intent. So I would like to confirm from
> the mentor that if I build a proposal for the idea, will it be considered?
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] PROPOSAL SUBMISSION FOR ADDING AI CHAT BOT TO CHAT ACTIVITY

2024-03-20 Thread Walter Bender
To Ibiam's point, we need to be very careful in terms of ensuring privacy
for our users (children) so we do not retain any user data (with the
exception of anonymized project data that our users might upload to one of
our servers).

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 12:40 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
wrote:

> Thanks for sharing!
>
> "
>
> *Here we will introduce multiple bots for each of theage range that will
> be determined by a simple fuzzy logic for determining the age rangeof the
> greater number of participants in call.*"
>
> Multiple bots for each age range doesn't seem feasible, but I'm curious,
> what are the age ranges you'd
> like to implement it for and what would be the uniqueness of each?
>
> Some deliverables are vague;
>
> - Ensure safe and appropriate interactions
> - Balance discussion with Educational value
> - Improve user interface.
> - Optimize for performance
> - Ensure security.
>
> It'll be great to know how you plan on implementing these.
>
> Some of the things mentioned in *Further Enhancement *are also vague*.*
>
>
> *"Chatbot Interaction Analytics Develop a dashboard to monitor chatbot
> interactions and userengagement.*"
>
> This is beyond the scope of the project idea.
>
> Rate limiting isn't something that really fits into the idea as the
> interactions with the chatbot would usually
> happen with one user, except they're collaborating and even then I still
> don't see why it's needed.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> --
>
> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:05 PM Atiene Jonathan 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Chihurumnaya,
>> Attached is my proposal for task 2
>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2024.md#Add-an-AI-chatbot-to-the-Chat-Activity>
>> of the GSOC 2024,
>>
>> Please let me know if you have any feedback or questions for me.
>>
>> Regards.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Inquiry Regarding GSoC Project Opportunity.

2024-03-17 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 11:15 AM Ritika Kumari  wrote:

> Dear Mentors,
>
>
> I hope all is well. My name is Ritika, and I am going to submit a proposal
> to work on the project titled - 'Musical ideation through Generative AI
> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/blob/master/Ideas-2024.md#musical-ideation-through-generative-ai>'.
> I am writing this mail to cross check my understanding about the project.
>
>
> The user will start the composition, say A, C, D. And this input will be
> passed to an AI system which will read this and suggest multiple
> combinations of notes. Something like:
>
> option 1: A, C, D, D, E, G
>
> option 2: A, C, D, G, C, A
>
> 
>
> option n: A, C, D, F, A, G
>
>
> Let me know if this is correct?
>

I think we want to consider multiple levels of abstraction here. What you
are proposing is how to compose a phrase with some suggestions for
"auto-complete" from the AI. How it works will be very much dependent upon
the training data and the "temperature" settings. You may also consider the
rhythmic quality of the sound. Then there is the higher-level structure.
How do multiple phrases fit together? What about transformations of the
phrases, with inversions, transpositions, retrograde, etc.? The AI could
make suggestions at that level too.

>
>
> If this is correct, then few other follow up questions are:
>
>
> 1. Does the user need some minimum number of notes and after that we will
> be asking the AI system to suggest possible notes?
>
>
> 2. What are the metrics on which to evaluate the output from an AI system?
> I can think of adding some safety measures to ensure that the output
>
>  a. from the AI system is not harmful
>

Other than generating terrible music, I am not sure how any harm could be
done.


>  b. is relevant to the query from the user
>

As per my comment above, I think there are more options to consider.

>
> 3. How to grade the output from the AI system? My understanding is that
> the output from the AI system needs to be melodic. Is there a way to check
> this in an automated way on a large scale?
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLOv4] [RELEASE] Get Books - 20

2024-03-10 Thread Walter Bender


On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 10:53 PM  wrote:

> Get Books-20 has been released
>
> Version: 20
> Bundle ID: org.laptop.sugar.GetBooksActivity
> Release time: 2024-03-10 14:34:54
>
> You can download the latest release of this activity here:
>   - Info:
> https://v4.activities.sugarlabs.org/app/org.laptop.sugar.GetBooksActivity.html
>   - Download: https://v4.activities.sugarlabs.org/bundles/GetBooks-20.xo
>
>
>
> NEW IN THIS VERSION
> ---
>
> Feedbooks is going out of business soon and its OPDS feed is no more. I
> tried
> several other OPDS feeds from this list: http://opdshome.uo1.net/
> including
> the one from Project Gutenberg and found them all to be unsatisfactory for
> one reason or another. OPDS catalogs are not standardized as much as they
> could
> be.
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Project Discussion: Adding Real-Time Collaboration to Music Blocks

2024-03-09 Thread Walter Bender
Thanks for reaching out.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 2:59 AM ankita kumari 
wrote:

>
>
> Dear Walter Bender , Devin Ulibarri,
>
>
>
> I hope this email finds you well. My name is Ankita, and I am excited
> about the opportunity to work on the project "Add real-time collaboration
> to Music Blocks" for Google Summer of Code (GSoC) with Sugar Labs. Before
> we proceed further, I believe it would be beneficial for us to have an
> initial discussion to align on project goals and expectations.
>
>
>
> Could you suggest or advice me at your earliest convenience to discuss the
> following topics?
>
>
>
> 1. Project Overview: I would like to gain a deeper understanding of the
> goals and objectives of the project, as well as any specific requirements
> or constraints.
>

The goal of the project is to enable Music Blocks users to work
cooperatively on a Music Blocks program in real time. (By analogy, think
about working on a Google document in real time with a colleague. As you
make changes to the document, your colleague sees them, and vice versa.)
The Sugar Write program (which incidentally predates Google Docs) has the
same functionality.

>
>
> 2. Technical Details: It would be helpful to discuss the technologies
> involved, such as frontend and backend languages, and any existing
> frameworks or libraries we plan to leverage.
>

Music Blocks is written in JavaScript. Presumably there will be a
server-side component, which could be written in, for example, Python. But
that is largely up to you. Something you'd specify in your proposal.

>
>
> 3. Timeline and Milestones: I aim to establish a clear timeline with
> achievable milestones for the project, allowing us to track progress
> effectively throughout the GSoC period.
>

The timeline is also largely up to you as long as it fits into the overall
GSoC timeline and requirements.

>
>
> 4. Collaboration and Communication: Effective communication is key to the
> success of our collaboration. I would like to discuss our preferred
> communication channels and frequency of updates to ensure we stay aligned
> throughout the project.
>

We largely communicate in Matrix. There are details in the Sugar Docs repo
in github.com/sugarlabs.

I use the Element client for Matrix. For this project, we'd hang out in
https://app.element.io/?pk_vid=8071c9718feef07a1612906641e052f1#/room/#musicblocksdev:matrix.org

>
>
> 5. Mentorship and Support: I value your expertise and guidance as a
> mentor, and I am eager to learn from your insights and experience. I look
> forward to discussing how we can best support each other throughout the
> project.
>

I'd recommend as a first step that you get familiar with Music Blocks --
write some Music Blocks programs and start to familiarize yourself with the
code. There are lots of detailed README files in the MB repo.

You should also look into the Sugar collaboration model. Although we are
doing something somewhat differently, the gist is the same. It may give you
some basic ideas about interaction, if not implementation.

Please don't hesitate to reach out to either of us or the Sugar community
at large.


>
>
> Please suggest me how to start the project.
>
>
>
> Thank you for considering my request, and I look forward to our discussion.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] getiabooks ready to release, I'd like to be a contributor for sugar commander

2024-02-27 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:58 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> I managed to make getiabooks work pretty well on Python3 and fix a bug
> where the book list table was disabled during downloads and not
> re-enabled if the download failed. I also got rid of some cruft where the
> Activity supported two different versions of the toolbar. The only thing I
> was unable to fix was getting the Activity to stop saving Journal entries
> for itself when it closes. I had code to prevent that which does not work
> anymore.
>
> In any case, it is an improvement over the broken current version and can
> be published, in my opinion.
>
> I also managed to get my Activity sugar-commander working with Python 3
> but I would need to be a contributor to update that repository,
>
> I may try to update the Get Books Activity when I have time. It is
> currently broken. I won't ask for contributor access until I have something
> to release.
>
> I have not done any Activity maintenance for years, but I got back into it
> because I had an old desktop computer running Fedora 39 to give away and a
> bright eight year old boy who wanted it. He came by on Friday to pick it
> up. I think he was impressed.
>
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Nice.

@Chihurumnaya Ibiam  can you give James the needed
access to the repo?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Inquiry Regarding GSOC24 Project Idea - Music Blocks Lesson Plan Generator.

2024-01-26 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 8:24 AM Ritika Kumari  wrote:

> Dear Music Blocks Community,
> I hope this email finds you well. My name is Ritika Kumari, and I am an
> aspiring participant in the Google Summer of Code 2024 program. I am
> particularly interested in the project idea titled "Make your own Lesson
> Plan for Music Blocks" and I am eager to learn more about the specifics of
> the project.
>
> Firstly, I would like to inquire about the choice of a Large Language
> Model (LLM) for this project. Could you kindly provide information on which
> LLM model is proposed for use in developing the Music Blocks Lesson Plan
> Generator? Knowing the model's key aspects helps me prepare and familiarize
> myself with the necessary tools and techniques.
>
> I don't have any specific models in mind to start, but in keeping with the
FOSS nature of Sugar Labs and MB, we should use open models.


> Additionally, I would like to know more about the API key required for the
> project. Could you please clarify how and where participants will obtain
> the API key? Will it be provided by the project mentors or should
> participants take steps to acquire it independently?
>

Not sure what API key you are referring to.

>
> I am thrilled about contributing to an AI-driven solution that converts
> Music Blocks projects into lesson plans. The idea of utilizing a Large
> Language Model to generate the initial draft of a lesson plan is
> intriguing, and I am keen to explore the technical aspects involved.
>
> Thank you for your time and assistance. I look forward to your response
> and any additional information you can provide regarding the project.
>
> Best regards,
> Ritika Kumari
> Email : rkjane...@gmail.com
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Doubt regarding pull request

2024-01-09 Thread Walter Bender
The checks are not run without a review.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 3:53 AM Arush Bhatnagar 
wrote:

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> When I do a pull request on any issue I don't see the checks being passed.
> What can I do to do so to check if the tests work?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Uruguayan XOs Revival

2023-06-30 Thread Walter Bender
Maybe someone at OLPC can get you the codes. But Ceibal should also have
them. I cannot imagine that they would be unwilling to share them at this
time.

regards.

walter

On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 12:35 PM Luis Michelena 
wrote:

> It's anybody there?
> Cheers from Uruguay, long time no see, How are you all? Some folks
> from Uruguay Butiá/CeibalJam and I, are trying to unlock XOs from
> Ceibal(to revisit Butiá, and ,maybe, it's possible uses in
> accesibility)
> Do some of you could give us some advice about how unlock them?
> It would be preferable if it could be posible to maintain the fs contents.
> It's there still a chance to get developer keys for the XOs?
> Because Ceibal decided to end support, declare them obsolete, and
> begin to recycle !! but also turn the switch off for the rest of
> the kicking ones...
>
> Thank you in advance,
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Download of Trisquel On A Sugar Toast x86

2023-06-19 Thread Walter Bender
Anyone have an old image kicking around?

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From: Ivan Zorzi 
Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:21 AM
Subject: Download of Trisquel On A Sugar Toast x86
To: 


Hello,
hope you can help me.
Recently I downloaded ISO image of Trisquel sugar v. 9.0.2 i686. On the
following page there is direct link for download:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast

Problem is that the link (
http://us.archive.trisquel.info/iso/trisquel-sugar_9.0.2_i686.iso) is no
more valid. I think they suppressed support to x86.
Is there any chance to download again the version? I lost the live usb
drive...
I need it for my daugther, x86 version works just well on an old netbook.
Thank you in advance.

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Congratulations, Sugar Labs received 8 Contributor Projects for GSoC 2023

2023-05-04 Thread Walter Bender
Summer of Code 2023

Thanks to everyone who has helped to date. Should be some great projects.

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Subject: Congratulations, Sugar Labs received 8 Contributor Projects for
GSoC 2023
To: 


[image: Google Summer of Code]

Hi Walter Bender,

We look forward to hearing about what your amazing contributors and
dedicated mentors can do this summer!

We are giving you 24 hours advance notice so you can adjust mentors for any
of your projects (if needed) and prepare your organization for the public
announcements tomorrow. All of your assigned mentors will receive an email
letting them know which contributor projects they will be mentors on.
Emails are also being sent to each contributor that submitted a proposal
letting them know if their proposal was accepted or not at 1800 UTC on May
20th

Please encourage your community to welcome contributors especially during
these first weeks to get them excited and invested in your community early
on. Encourage assigned mentors to reach out to their contributors shortly
after the public announcement tomorrow, May 4, 2023, 6 p.m. at 1800 UTC.

Project Title Contributor Assigned Mentor(s)
Music Blocks v4 Project Builder Integration Abhinav Jha Walter Bender
Anindya Kundu
Improve and maintain 12 Sugar activities Dimitrios Mylonas Chihurumnaya
Ibiam
Sourabha G
Improve and maintain 12 Sugar activities Jriyyya Chihurumnaya Ibiam
Sourabha G
Maintenance/bug fixes for Music Blocks 3 Mohit53 Walter Bender
Devin Ulibarri
Avishkar.10
Music Blocks v4 Project Builder Integration Niloy Sikdar Walter Bender
Anindya Kundu
Maintain and Port Sugar activities to Flatpak Sparsh Goenka Chihurumnaya
Ibiam
tchx84
Proposal for Sugarizer Word Puzzle and Chart activities UtkarshSiddhpura Lionel
Laské
Nikhil Mehra
Sugarizer Vue.JS Core vinayak nayar Lionel Laské
Nikhil Mehra

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[Sugar-devel] GSoC next steps

2023-04-17 Thread Walter Bender
Mentors, please start nominating candidates to the ranking list.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Improve and maintain 12 Sugar activities

2023-04-03 Thread Walter Bender
Your ideas for an activity are welcome. Hope you get in before the deadline.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2023, 10:42 PM Dimitris20Cen  wrote:

> Helloo, first of all I'm very sorry for asking for feedback that late, I
> thought the deadline was on the 14th.
>
> This attachment will be the core part of my proposal. I will also add more
> in depth descriptions for how I'll go about implementing the
> improvements/maintenance in my proposal tomorrow and I'll add images for
> the suggested visual fixes/improvements.
>
> I would also love to write my own activity, it's currently in its
> conceptual phase. Would it be possible to include it as a 13th activity or
> would that not align with the project?
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft proposal GSoC 2023 - Improve and maintain 13 sugar activities

2023-03-31 Thread Walter Bender
Comprehensive proposal. Thx.

-walter

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 6:46 AM Riya Jain  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I wanted to share my draft proposal of GSoC 2023, for project
> Improve and maintain 13 sugar activities.
> Any review and feedback is accepted.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Project for GSOC'23 : Port Sugar and core activities to Python 3

2023-03-31 Thread Walter Bender
Ibiam mentioned listing the activities that you intend to port, but I
noticed that in your proposal you said you'd work through a detailed list
with the mentors in the bonding period, which is fine. But perhaps you can
cite a few that you are interested in and also give us some sense of the
minimum number of activities you'd expect to port.

regards.

-walter

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 10:36 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
wrote:

> Hi Bhavya,
>
> Thanks for sharing, some comments;
>
> Don't share personal info in your proposal, your internship letter
> contains personal info and shouldn't be included in your proposal, be sure
> to remove it from your final proposal.
>
> "I will thoroughly review the source code changes since 0.112 that were
> made for porting to Python 3."
> You can review some changes now and add what you've noticed in your
> proposal.
>
> It'll be nice to mention the activities that you want to focus on as you
> mention fixing activities but don't mention which.
> There's no particular number of activities that you can add as the project
> isn't just on activities.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> --
>
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>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 8:55 AM Bhavya Bansal 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I am Bhavya Bansal, I'd like to share my draft proposal for the project :
>> "Port Sugar and core activities to Python 3".
>> Looking forward to your feedback and suggestions for further improvement.
>>
>> Thanks and Regards,
>> *Bhavya Bansal*
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>> Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Technical University
>> Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal Review For Gsoc 2023

2023-03-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 3:49 PM Abhinav Jha 
wrote:

> Hey,
> I am Abhinav Jha.This summer I want to contribute to GSOC with SugarLabs
> as my organisation.
> I have drafted a proposal and want it to be reviewed as it would be
> helpful in improvising my ideas in the proposal.
> I have attached my proposal in this email and want your valuable feedback.
>
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Thanks for your proposal. Anindya and I will discuss it and get back to you
soon.

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [GSoC Mentors] Re: GSoC 2023 Org Member registration bug

2023-03-01 Thread Walter Bender
For those of you interested in mentoring in 2023, please follow the
instructions below. Let me know if you have any problems.

-walter

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Date: Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 7:21 PM
Subject: [GSoC Mentors] Re: GSoC 2023 Org Member registration bug
To: Google Summer of Code Mentors List <
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Hi all,

This bug has been fixed. Please try to invite your 2023 mentors and org
admins now. Thank you all for you patience as we worked through this bug.

If a person was a Mentor or Org Admin for your org in 2022 then they just
need to log in to g.co/gsoc and click on the 2023 bar which should now show
them the 2023 Program Rules and Org Member agreement that they need to read
and agree to.  Once they have done that they will appear in the Org Admin's
dropdown of folks to add to the 2023 program.

A reminder that someone must be an org member before you can add them to
the 2023 program. So if you are inviting someone new to your org then use
the blue 'Invite' button on your Org Members page and they will be sent a
registration invite. Once they register (which includes agreeing to the
2023 terms) they will appear in the Org Admin's drop down list of folks to
add to the 2023 program.

Best,
Stephanie

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:48:30 PM UTC-8 sttaylor wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We wanted to give you some updates on Org Member registration for GSoC
> 2023. We have one pesky bug affecting the 2022 folks, but anyone not part
> of GSoC 2022 will be able to sign up without an issue.
>
> Trying to invite Mentor and Org Admins from 2022 to 2023 GSoC program?
>
> We currently have a bug when inviting previous 2022 org members to be 2023
> org members (mentors or org admins). Oddly, the first mentor and first org
> admin that go to their dashboard will see the 2023 terms to agree to and
> everything is good for them. But everyone after those folks will not be
> able to see the 2023 agreements CTA. This is being worked on and is
> expected to be fixed in a release Tuesday afternoon PT.
>
> Inviting people that weren’t part of GSoC 2022?
>
> If you have people that did not participate in 2022 then you need to first
> invite them to your org using the blue 'Invite' button from your
> Organization Members list (available in the dropdown in the upper right).
>
> Then once they have registered they will appear on your Dashboard when you
> go to the 2023 'program details' and click on the Members tab. You will hit
> the 'Add members' button at the top and a dropdown will appear with all
> of the people you can add to the 2023 program (ie. anyone who has
> registered and completed the 2023 terms).  If someone is not in that
> dropdown it is because they have not agreed to the 2023 terms yet.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Release] Sugar 0.120 unstable

2022-10-20 Thread Walter Bender
Congrats!!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 6:36 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam  wrote:
>
> Sugar 0.120 is released.
>
> This release contains;
>
> - Accessibility keys in the journal; you can now navigate the journal with 
> the arrow keys and start an entry with the enter key.
> - Translated languages in My Settings; Languages in My Settings have now been 
> translated to their native translations.
> - Drag from Clipboard to Journal to store data; You can now create journal 
> entries by dragging items from the clipboard to the journal icon.
> - All layouts in the favourites view have now been enabled.
>
> sha256 checksums;
>
> 15476d1cc0bac2367ede4c855625cee88741c4d774908a7e633c264bb68b6928  
> sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.120.tar.xz
> 6052b4d3488daf78901d2914015e3c67017cb1bb0cf669625b1f1d62921e9afa  
> sugar-artwork-0.120.tar.xz
> 57373da5b6bd877f5198c5e4e3b7921856e9d4ff47e7e163806ed1787a3c4b62  
> sugar-datastore-0.120.tar.xz
> 57373da5b6bd877f5198c5e4e3b7921856e9d4ff47e7e163806ed1787a3c4b62  
> sugar-datastore-0.120.tar.xz
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[Sugar-devel] Updated invitation: Call for Design meeting @ Monthly from 08:00 to 09:00 on the second Friday from Fri 2019-09-13 to Thu 2022-04-07 (EDT) (sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org)

2022-04-08 Thread walter . bender
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fedora 36 SoaS ISO spin beta ready for testing

2022-04-03 Thread Walter Bender
I gave it a quick series of tests (on the airplane -- didn't save the
logs, unfortunately)
(1) the Journal is throwing errors on all writes so no activities could save
(2) Physics activity had an error trying to create objects
(3) Abacus displays odd formatted numbers on the beads (b'5')
(4) I could change mouths, but not eyes on the Speak activity

I tested just about every activity that didn't obviously require a
network and they all seem to generally behave. (Wrote a fun new Turtle
project I may nominate to the examples.)

I'll write up some issues with logs when I get a chance.

regards.

-walter

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> Hi folks,
>
> The Fedora 36 beta was released earlier this week, and the SoaS spin is
> ready for testing. This 860 megabyte ISO can be downloaded from:
>
> https://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/36_Beta/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-36_Beta-1.4.iso
>
> Any testing reports are appreciated. Please test on both bare metal and
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Does sugar install can run on windows or should I have to download Linux ?

2022-04-02 Thread Walter Bender
You'll need to run it in a Linux VM (the Sugar-on-a-Stick ISO image
can be used for that).

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Introduction

2022-03-23 Thread Walter Bender
Have you checked out the GSoC page on GitHub? https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC

-walter

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 2:01 PM Ashutosh Gautam
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>
> Hi, Everyone! I am Ashutosh Gautam, sophomore at KIIT, Bhubaneswar pursuing 
> B.Tech Cse and I look forward to contributing to Sugar Labs. I have a lot of 
> experience in web Development using HTML and JavaScript , specifically 
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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: GSoC 2022: Sugar Labs has been accepted as a mentoring org

2022-03-06 Thread Walter Bender
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Congratulations! Sugar Labs has been selected as a Google Summer of Code
2022 mentor organization.

The list of accepted 2022 GSoC mentoring organizations will be published
March 07, 2022 at 18:00 UTC at https://g.co/gsoc.

Please wait until after the official announcement to send out your social
media blasts, blog posts, etc. about being accepted into the program.

We've let you know before the public announcement so you can make sure you
are ready for potential GSoC contributors by having your Project Ideas list
updated and your Application Instructions link added to your Org Profile.
You should also reach out to your community to be sure your org admins and
mentors are ready to respond to inquiries from new contributors via your
designated communication methods as listed on your Org Profile. You can go
ahead and start inviting mentors now as well.

Please click here to visit your dashboard:
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Turtle art and Turtle block activities

2022-02-19 Thread Walter Bender
The Turtle Blocks (and Music Blocks) activities are not currently
bundled with Sugarizer. However you can access them independently at
https://turtle.sugarlabs.org/ (and
https:///musicblocks.sugarlabs.org). There are guides to both
activities here:

https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleblocksjs/blob/master/README.md
https://github.com/sugarlabs/turtleblocksjs/blob/master/guide/README.md

https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/blob/master/README.md
https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/blob/master/guide/README.md
https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/blob/master/documentation/README.md

There is also an Android version of Music Blocks available in the
Google app store.

regards.

-walter

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>
> Dear Sugariser Team,
>
> Thank you for the work you did, it is helpful to me,
> my name is Hakizimana Prosper, working at Rwanda Basic Education, I have 
> installed Sugarizer on my Windows computer and I missed Turtle art and Turtle 
> block activities. can please guide me on how I can get them.
>
> Thank you very much once again.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> :
> HAKIZIMANA Prosper
> Graphic Design Specialist
> Rwanda Education Board
> KIGALI-RWANDA
> Phone: +250 788366617
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to get started with contribution

2022-02-13 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 3:12 AM Sagar Gaud  wrote:
>
> Respected sir/madam,
> I am Sagar Gaud, a computer science undergraduate, I have just about to 
> finish my 3rd semester (second year) at BIET jhansi. I am new to open source 
> contribution but I am well aware of javascript, react, c++ and Git -GitHub. I 
> would love to contribute to your organization but could you please help me 
> how to get started?

Please refer to https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs

regards.

-walter

> Hoping to hear from you soon.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

2022-02-11 Thread Walter Bender
Great job guys!!!

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 8:40 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
>
> The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.
>
> Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and deployed
> to F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the current
> stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3
> .
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Help with Music Blocks Wikipedia Page?

2021-12-29 Thread Walter Bender
Here is one reference to Music Blocks in Peru:

https://www.gob.pe/institucion/minedu/noticias/419064-tablets-para-aprendo-en-casa-tienen-36-aplicativos-educativos-y-10-utilitarios

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 8:15 PM  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Walter, media from Peru would be helpful. Thanks!
>
> For Japan (other than the links that I already put in the draft), I
> found the following:
>
> https://gakko.site/wp/?s=%E5%AD%A6%E7%A0%94
>
> https://gakko.site/wp/archives/1343
>
>   --
> https://gakko.site/wp/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/08fb99790750785dc17b973f5b1c16d0.pdf
>
> https://gakken-steam.jp/music_blocks/
>
> https://www.learning-innovation.go.jp/edtech-library/el004/
>
> https://www.kikoku-benricho.com/music-blocks/
>
> https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/01947.02535.html
>
> https://edtechzine.jp/article/detail/1802 and
> https://edtechzine.jp/article/detail/1802?p=2
>
> ?? https://gkp-koushiki.gakken.jp/2018/12/07/5686/
>
> ?? https://www.nifty.com/?top20
>
> On 2021-12-29 20:11, Walter Bender wrote:
> > There must be some media mention of Music Blocks in Japan.
> > Maybe I can dig something up from Peru.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I am trying to write a Wikipedia article for Music Blocks because I
> >> think it would be helpful reference for the broader public.
> >>
> >> So far, I have written:
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Music_Blocks
> >>
> >> Do others, who are familiar with Wikipedia, have anything to
> >> contribute?
> >>
> >> BTW, I started with
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap!_(programming_language) as a
> >> template
> >> to start this draft.
> >>
> >> It would be helpful to have others contribute to the article,
> >> especially
> >> anyone not directly related to the project, as those contributions may
> >> be necessary to the proposed article's admission into Wikipedia.
> >>
> >> Lastly, if anyone is familiar with other articles that have been
> >> written
> >> about Music Blocks, referencing those would be helpful.
> >>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Help with Music Blocks Wikipedia Page?

2021-12-29 Thread Walter Bender
There must be some media mention of Music Blocks in Japan.
Maybe I can dig something up from Peru.

-walter

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to write a Wikipedia article for Music Blocks because I
> think it would be helpful reference for the broader public.
>
> So far, I have written:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Music_Blocks
>
> Do others, who are familiar with Wikipedia, have anything to contribute?
>
> BTW, I started with
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap!_(programming_language) as a template
> to start this draft.
>
> It would be helpful to have others contribute to the article, especially
> anyone not directly related to the project, as those contributions may
> be necessary to the proposed article's admission into Wikipedia.
>
> Lastly, if anyone is familiar with other articles that have been written
> about Music Blocks, referencing those would be helpful.
>
> Thank you,
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[Sugar-devel] SLOB Meeting reminder

2021-12-07 Thread Walter Bender
We meet Wednesday, 8 December at 19:30 UTC on matrix.org #sugar

I may be a few minutes late.

Regards

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [GSoC Mentors] GSoC 2022 Updates and Details for Mentors and Org Admins

2021-11-11 Thread Walter Bender
 with the medium size 175 hr projects
being half the dollar amount of the 350 hr projects. The org stipend
will be $500 per GSoC Contributor regardless of whether it’s a medium
or large project.


(3) We are building increased flexibility around the timing of
projects - there is an option to extend the standard 12 week coding
time frame to a maximum of 22 weeks.  This option is to allow for
folks who may realize that spreading the work over say, 16 weeks, is a
more realistic goal with their current life situation. Or for
contributors who have life happen in the middle of the program and
they can’t work on their projects for a few weeks, but they can come
back to it after a month to finish it. Mentors and GSoC Contributors
can work together to decide at the proposal stage if they want to
lengthen a project to something longer than the 12 weeks or the
extension can happen during the coding period itself. Ultimately the
Org Admin will be the one making the end date adjustment for each GSoC
Contributor project on their dashboard so they have the final say on
when they want all projects completed in their org.

Hopefully this makes it easier for GSoC Contributors and mentors to be
able to navigate together when obstacles occur and the GSoC
Contributor can still successfully complete their project just in a
bit longer time frame than they (and their mentor) may have planned
on.

General Program Flow

The general program flow will continue to be the same up to the coding
period, and then depending on the length of the student’s project (12
week, 15 week, etc.) their evaluation deadlines may vary. With the new
webapp we are building, it will be very clear what your next action
item is - this is especially important for org admins as they could
have many projects spread out with different deadlines. We are very
focused on making the webapp easy to use. : )

We encourage you to explore our resources (including flyers and slide
decks), the Contributor/Student Guide (fully updated with the changes)
and Mentor Guides (not updated yet, though only minor changes needed
in there). You can also view (and share!) our announcement blog post.
You can always check out our archive for previous successful projects
by year.

The timeline for 2022 will be announced late this year on our upcoming
new program site.

We hope you are excited about these changes.

Feel free to reach out to us at gsoc-supp...@google.com with any
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Meeting Notes 2021-11-10

2021-11-10 Thread Walter Bender
MrBIOS
callaurrea: acknowledged. We haven't ever really made proper use of
it, for the record.
callaurrea
I want to encourage us to do that!
walterbender
callaurrea:
perrieee any thunbs up or down for the motion on Iliam's proposal?
MrBIOS
callaurrea: I think a reasonable deadline at this point (for SFC)
would be before the Christmas holiday.
perrieee

walterbender

perrieee: ???

Sorry I had a call that disrupted my mobile connection… +1
MrBIOS
because that will obviously confine this change to this tax year
callaurrea

MrBIOS

callaurrea: I think a reasonable deadline at this point (for SFC)
would be before the Christmas holiday.

the deadline for transferring funds is 30 days after my email... but
they will only know the exact funds when they close the year
so some adjustments will be made... but I will keep pushing for Nov 10
*19
+1 for me on the proposal
walterbender
the proposal passes 6 for, 1 absent
MrBIOS
Thanks. I just lost Internet connectivity and had to switch to mobile
walterbender
any other business for today???
Ibiam

callaurrea
so some adjustments will be made... but I will keep pushing for Nov 10

Thanks for running this.
walterbender
at some point we need to get back to refining the JD for the ED position
but I need to disappear into a meeting in a few minutes
callaurrea
We are close to having everything ready taxes... thanks everyone!
Ibiam

MrBIOS
Thanks. I just lost Internet connectivity and had to switch to mobile

Happens here sometimes with my network provider.
callaurrea
Thanks everyone... see you all in 2 weeks
bye now
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[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs oversight board meeting (TODAY)

2021-07-07 Thread Walter Bender
My apologies for not sending the reminder out yesterday. We have a
SLOB meeting at 19:30 UTC (3:30 pm NY time) on matrix.org #sugar.
Today (21/7/7) we will be doing a Music Blocks lesson.

regards.

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[Sugar-devel] meeting reminder

2021-06-22 Thread Walter Bender
We have a Sugar Labs oversight meeting on Wednesday, 23 June at 19:30
UTC (3:30 PM on the US East Coast). Hope you can join us (on #sugar in
matrix.org)

regards.

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[Sugar-devel] Belated meeting reminder

2021-06-09 Thread Walter Bender
We have a Sugar Labs oversight meeting today at 19:30 UTC (3:30 on the
US East Coast). We'll meet in the Matrix #sugar room. (Note that there
is a gateway from Liberachat's #sugar room.)

See you there.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] OPEN SOURCE

2021-05-28 Thread Walter Bender
Lots of opportunities to put your JS skills to use with the Sugarizer
and Music Blocks project.

We hang out in the #sugar room on matrix.

-walter

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 4:00 PM Jwala Chaurasiya
 wrote:
>
> Hello sir,I am a second year undergraduate at Thakur College of Engineering 
> Technology .I am looking for some good GSOC organisation to contribute 
> actively contribute to open source projects.
> I am interested in web development and have worked with React ,PHP and JS I 
> saw your GitHub profile on SUGAR LABS GitHub page and though of asking you if 
> sugar labs can be a good organisation for me to start if yes please guide me 
> how to begin and let me know how can I contact you for the help. I will be  
> free by July as currently I have my exam in so I can start them. Here is my 
> GitHub profile:jwalapc (Jwala) (github.com)My linkedin profile:Jwala 
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[Sugar-devel] SLOB meeting reminder

2021-05-25 Thread Walter Bender
We have a meeting scheduled for Wednesday, 2021-05-26 at 19:30 UTC
(3:30PM on the US East Coast). We'll be using the #sugar room on
Matrix.org (I think many of us use element.io as our Matrix app).

Look forward to seeing everyone.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Handling of localization in Sugarizer/MusicBlocks

2021-05-18 Thread Walter Bender
I have been disappointed by webL10n from Day One. I have a bunch of
supporting scripts but it is not very expressive and as you note,
having a huge ini file is not optimal, I was planning to explore
options this summer as part of Music Blocks 4.0. But had not started
researching yet.

-walter

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 4:08 PM Lionel Laské  wrote:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> From the beginning, Sugarizer relies on the webL10n library [1] to handle 
> localization from Javascript.
> This library uses a .INI file where localizations are stored and loaded 
> during page initialization.
> Sounds like MusicBlocks use the same library too.
>
> I'm thinking to change localization library in a future version of Sugarizer 
> because:
>
> webL10n has been deprecated since 2015
> a pivot file format (PO Gettext) is used to be able to localize strings in 
> the Sugarizer translate platform [2]. It made the update process complex (INI 
> to PO then PO to INI).
> all language localizations are located in a huge file (260kb) that is not 
> good for performance reasons.
>
> I've done a short study here [3] to test another localization library i18next 
> [4].
> i18next is independent from any Javascript framework, largely supported and 
> easy to use.
>
> So I'm thinking to switch to i18next.
> Is there any plan to change the localization library in MusicBlocks?
> Do you experience another localization library?
>
> Regards.
>
>Lionel
>
> [1] https://github.com/fabi1cazenave/webL10n
> [2] https://translate.sugarizer.org
> [3] https://github.com/llaske/l10nstudy
> [4] https://github.com/i18next/i18next
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[Sugar-devel] [SLOB] meeting reminder

2021-05-11 Thread Walter Bender
Hope to see all of you at tomorrow's meeting. 19:30 UTC (15:30 US east coast).

We'll meet in Element (Matrix) as per usual.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Announcement: Sugar on a Stick (SoaS) 34 released today

2021-04-27 Thread Walter Bender
Thanks to everyone who helped with the release!!!


On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 5:41 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Fedora 34 was released today, which means that we've got a new release
> of Sugar on a Stick 34, which includes Sugar 0.118, and can be
> downloaded from:
>
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/x86_64/iso/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-34-1.2.iso
>
>
> It's one gigabyte in size.
>
> ..and written to any USB stick using BalenaEtcher, Fedora Imager Writer,
> or whatever your favorite/preferred image writing tool is.
>
>
> an installation image (non-live environment) for 32-bit ARM devices,
> such as the Raspberry Pi 2-3, is also available at:
>
>
> https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/34/Spins/armhfp/images/Fedora-SoaS-34-1.2.armhfp.raw.xz
> The above image is 1.8 gigabytes.
>
> Special thanks to Sugar Labs member and contributor Ibiam Chihurumnaya,
> AKA 'chimosky', for co-maintaining many/most of these Fedora activities,
> as well as the core Sugar Fedora packages, which, as a whole, make up
> Sugar on a Stick.
>
> Regards,
> Alex Perez
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Music Blocks Block Graphics Refactoring proposal for GSOC

2021-04-01 Thread Walter Bender
I think leveraging Blockly is a fine idea. But maybe you can sketch
out some of the more common scenarios??? a note block with multiple
pitch blocks??? a sequence of note blocks... some nested clamps...

Also, how difficult is it to revisit some of the design decisions in
Blocky? There are lots of little details that I find annoying.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:32 PM Jaikishan Brijwani
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>
> Hello Everyone!
> Greetings for the day, hope you all are doing well, I am Jaikishan Brijwani 
> currently in my junior year of BTech in Computer Science with minors in 
> Communication Engineering from Manipal. I have been contributing to Sugar 
> Labs projects(Music Blocks and Sugarizer) for the past 5-6 months and it has 
> been a great experience.I've surely learnt a lot along the way.
>
> Now, I am keen on participating in GSoC working with the amazing community at 
> Sugar Labs. I have attached my proposal for one of the GSoC projects for 2021 
> edition.
> Mentors, members and fellow peers alike, kindly have a look at it, peruse it 
> and please do share your valuable feedback on the same.
>
> Looking forward to suggestions on how I can improve my proposal and feedback 
> on it too.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
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[Sugar-devel] LibrePlanet

2021-03-18 Thread Walter Bender
I signed up as an exhibitor for Libreplanet. I'll be in the Sugar Labs
room on Sunday. (I asked that they not open the room on Saturday since
we cannot staff it.)

If you want to join me in the room, please ping me.

thx.

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[Sugar-devel] SLOB meeting reminder

2021-03-16 Thread Walter Bender
The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board is on Wednesday, 17
March at 19:30 UTC (3:30 PM on the US East Coast). NOTE the time
change for those attending from the US.

We will be meeting in the #sugar room of matrix.org.

Among other topics, we will discuss LibrePlanet -- should we have a
virtual booth -- and Google Season of Docs.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Contributing to Sugar Labs as part of GSoC'21

2021-03-12 Thread Walter Bender
Please check out the instructions on https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC
It explains how to get started.

regards.

-walter

On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 9:18 AM Sai Keshari  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am Sai Keshari, a second-year undergrad in Delhi Technological University 
> (DTU).
> I am proficient in frontend Web development, particularly in ReactJS. I have 
> also made several projects.
> I am fascinated by 3 project ideas in Sugar Labs and would like to contribute 
> to it as part of my GSoC'21 participation and also would like to continue 
> contributing as I find SugarLabs quite interesting application.
> Project Ideas I am interested in :-
> 1. Music Blocks Debugging Aids
> 2. Music Blocks Menus and Palettes
> 3. Music Blocks Block Graphics Refactoring
> Please let me know how I can get started and start contributing.
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[Sugar-devel] Meeting Reminder

2021-03-02 Thread Walter Bender
The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board is on Wednesday, 3
March at 19:30 UTC (2:30 PM on the US East Coast).

We will meet in the #sugar room of matrix.org so please be sure
to have a matrix client available. (I use element, which is available
at element.io.)

I am hoping that Mariana Ludmila Cortés, the new president of OLPC,
will be able to join us for a general discussion about strategy.

Please contact me if you have any questions.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Google Season of Docs

2021-02-16 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 7:34 PM James Cameron  wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I agree.
>
> Would a technical writer alone be suitable, or must a technical writer
> be combined with a teacher?  There's a risk that by placing domain
> specific limitations on the project, we make it harder for GSoD to
> choose us.

I think we can provide the pedagogical support via mentoring much the
way we provide programming support via mentoring.

We have some very experienced people, e.g., Claudia, in our ranks.

>
> What mode of delivery is best suited to teachers; written manuals,
> lesson plans, onscreen walkthroughs, or stand up lectures?  There's a
> risk that GSoD candidates will concentrate on written documentation.

I think lesson plans are a great place to start and can serve as a
backbone for the modalities.

>
> How do we emphasise constructivism, constructionism, or constructivist
> teaching methods?  Is there a degree or certification we can require?

I don't think the writer needs to come with those skills but can learn
from some good examples from the contructionsist community.

>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 06:52:53PM -0500, Walter Bender wrote:
> > Apologies for my late response to this thread.
> >
> > Regarding documentation, I think we have a major hole to fill in
> > Sugar, Music Blocks, and Sugarizer: supporting materials for teachers.
> > While we have docs for the individual components, we could go a long
> > ways towards giving some structure to a teacher who might want to
> > build a comprehensive program out of any of our major subsystems.
> >
> > -walter
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:31 AM James Cameron  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes.  Please make a list of content if none is available and content
> > > that should be demystified?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:07:45AM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> > > > Anyone can correct me if I am wrong. But the point of Season of Docs is
> > > >
> > > > 1. Generate content if none is available.
> > > > 2. Very important is looking at the existing content and demystify it 
> > > > to the
> > > > nearest minimum (Sugar Labs needs this)
> > > >
> > > > The idea for a technical writer is to simplify and transfer information 
> > > > between
> > > > Sugar Labs and anyone consuming the content.
> > > >
> > > > To you, the content may look fine because you may not be the target, or 
> > > > in this
> > > > case, you are an author of some of the tools generated.
> > > >
> > > > Having great doc is a demanding requirement for onboarding in open 
> > > > source, and
> > > > unfortunately, I can't say Sugar Labs has one(simplifications).
> > > >
> > > > Also a completely different from GSoC.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 9:59 AM James Cameron <[1]qu...@laptop.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My first question was the most important.
> > > >
> > > > I can't think of any documentation Sugar Labs needs that we haven't
> > > > already got in some form or other across our sprawling web presence.
> > > >
> > > > I recommend against proceeding unless some documentation is needed.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 09:42:40AM +0100, Samson Goddy wrote:
> > > > > Hello James,
> > > > >
> > > > > I read the documentation, yes it looks like a grant based program 
> > > > this
> > > > time
> > > > > around.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just as I mentioned last year, I would love to admin the program, 
> > > > or be
> > > > one of
> > > > > the admins.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am working on a system in place already.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 9:33 AM James Cameron 
> > > > <[1][2]qu...@laptop.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Indeed.  So the question becomes;
> > > > >
> > > > > - what documentation does Sugar Labs need (e.g. for 
> > > > Sugarizer, Music
> > > > >   Blocks, or Sugar); this forms part of a project proposal,
> > > > >
> > > > > - who will recruit, evaluate, and onboard a technical write

[Sugar-devel] SLOB meeting reminder

2021-02-16 Thread Walter Bender
The next meeting of the Sugar Labs oversight board is on Wednesday, 17
February at 19:30 UTC (2:30 PM on the US East Coast).

We agreed to meet in the #sugar room of matrix.org so please be sure
to have a matrix client available. (I use element, which is available
at element.io.)

Please contact me if you have any questions.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Google Season of Docs

2021-02-15 Thread Walter Bender
op.org
> > [3] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/admin-guide
> > [4] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/
> > [5] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/tech-writer-guide
> > [6] mailto:2017...@iiitdmj.ac.in
> > [7] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> > [8] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/
> > [9] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs
> > [10] https://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [11] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [12] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [13] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [14] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [15] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/
> > [16] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/
> > [17] mailto:2017...@iiitdmj.ac.in
> > [18] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> > [19] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/
> > [20] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs
> > [21] https://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [22] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [23] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [24] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [25] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [26] https://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [27] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [28] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [29] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> > [30] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/admin-guide
> > [31] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/
> > [32] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/tech-writer-guide
> > [33] mailto:2017...@iiitdmj.ac.in
> > [34] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> > [35] https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/
> > [36] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs
> > [37] https://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [38] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [39] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [40] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [41] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [42] 
> > https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/the-2021-season-of-docs-application-for-organizations-is-open.html?m=1
> > [43] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs/docs/tech-writer-guide
> > [44] mailto:2017...@iiitdmj.ac.in
> > [45] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> > [46] 
> > https://opensource.googleblog.com/2021/02/the-2021-season-of-docs-application-for-organizations-is-open.html
> > [47] https://developers.google.com/season-of-docs
> > [48] https://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [49] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [50] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [51] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [52] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [53] https://quozl.linux.org.au/
> > [54] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [55] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [56] https://quozl.linux.org.au/
>
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[Sugar-devel] 2021-01-03 meeting minutes

2021-02-03 Thread Walter Bender
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2021-02-03

Please see the two motions in the minutes.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Compatibility report on latest Debian-based sugar live build - Xorg fails to load due to missing firmware

2021-01-17 Thread Walter Bender
Maybe we can distribute a free and a nonfree version? More work but not so
much



On Sun, Jan 17, 2021, 7:56 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> Answers inline
>
> James Cameron wrote on 1/17/2021 2:16 PM:
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 02:03:10PM -0800, Alex Perez wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> I booted up the latest Sugar-live-build image, which I'd downloaded from
> >> http://people.sugarlabs.org/~quozl/sugar-live-build/ and written to a
> USB
> >> stick, and booted it up in an HP-branded terminal from ~2012, which
> works
> >> perfectly fine with the latest Fedora SoaS images.
> > Thanks for testing.
> >
> >> Simply bundling the 'firmware-amd-graphics' package from the
> >> firmware-nonfree repo when you build the Live image would mean the image
> >> would work correctly on a vastly larger amount of hardware, out of the
> box.
> >>
> >> I would encourage you to take it one step further, and bundle the
> >> firmware-linux-nonfree metapackage, which will include firmware for
> things
> >> like Marvell wireless cards, Intel wireless cards, Atheros wireless
> cards
> >> (both USB and integrated/PCI/PCIe)
> > How will Sugar Labs comply with the licenses of these firmwares?
> >
> I'm afraid I don't understand what the concern is here. "Sugar" isn't
> subject to anything different from a licensing perspective, and
> therefore under no obligation to "comply" with anything:
>
>
> https://opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/8849/does-distributing-gpl-software-along-with-binary-image-force-the-binary-image-to
>
> All of the firmware images packaged by Debian in the non-free repo is
> freely redistributable, but not open-source.
>
> Fedora packages them, and includes them by default. Their LiveCDs/images
> work out of the box with them. Debian packages them, but does not
> install them by default, presumably out of ideological reticence.
>
> Since the goal of the Debian Sugar LiveCD should be to work,
> transparently, on as many computers out-of-the-box as is possible, this
> would seemingly be an obvious improvement. It's not possible to install
> from this LiveCD on a ton of "modern" hardware (the machine I'm using is
> from 2011) with the current state of bundled packages. If the goal is to
> only allow it to function fully on machines which are incapable of
> functioning fully without binary firmware blobs, I'd argue that this
> should be disclosed during the installation process.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] meeting reminder

2021-01-05 Thread Walter Bender
Noted.

thx

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 9:03 AM Jui Pradhan  wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> We might as well discuss Sugarlabs participation in GSoC 2021. The period to 
> apply for mentoring organizations is January 29 - February 19, 2021 (GSoC 
> 2021 Timeline).
>
> Regards,
> Jui
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 7:17 PM Walter Bender  wrote:
>>
>> The next Sugar Labs oversight board meeting is Wednesday, 2021-01-06
>> at 19:30 UTC (2:30 PM on the US East Coast).
>>
>> There will be a finance report and we will be discussing Claudia's
>> idea of monthly virtual workshops.
>>
>> Please join us on Jitsi [1].
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
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[Sugar-devel] meeting reminder

2021-01-05 Thread Walter Bender
The next Sugar Labs oversight board meeting is Wednesday, 2021-01-06
at 19:30 UTC (2:30 PM on the US East Coast).

There will be a finance report and we will be discussing Claudia's
idea of monthly virtual workshops.

Please join us on Jitsi [1].

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Re: [Sugar-devel] SLOB meeting notes 2020-12-23

2020-12-25 Thread Walter Bender
Perhaps it was not clear in the minutes but I plan to sort through the
books over the holidays and report back at the next board meeting.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020, 4:54 PM Martin Guy  wrote:

> On 23/12/2020, Walter Bender  wrote:
> > MISSION
> > Sugar Labs® is a volunteer-driven member project of
> > Software Freedom Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation.
>
> Nice words, but what I see from down here is that the leading
> developers are the paid ones (who not only do the work they're paid to
> do but also shoulder other duties such as board membership. mentoring
> and being a generous knowledge base)
>
> If that also seems to others to be the reality that we have, that
> suggests an alternative view, to consciously use SL's funds to fund
> development, with openness about what it pays to whom to do what, and
> the developer's duty to itemize in public the hours spent on each
> assigned task, and the progress made as a result, since that seems to
> be a more effective path than simply wailing "We need more
> volunteers!"
>
> To this end, drawing a line under the past financial accounting,
> taking stock and relaunching it with greater transparency might be one
> way to help SL achieve its technical goals, as well as encouraging
> more and more generous donations when current or potential donors can
> see how cost-effective their funds are.
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> Season's greetings
>
>  M
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[Sugar-devel] SLOB meeting notes 2020-12-23

2020-12-23 Thread Walter Bender
== Meeting Minutes ==

Date: 2020-12-23

=== Role Call ===

Present:
Walter Bender
Jui Pradhan
Peace Ojemeh
Claudia Urrea
Ibiam Chihurumnaya

Community:
Samson Goody

Absent:
Lionel Laské

=== Report from project representative (Conservancy liaison) ===
We need a new representative to replace Devin.
Claudia will assume this duty.

Treasurer...
Walter (temporary)
Alex?

Secretary
Walter

=== Report from Ombudsman ===
Nothing from Pattie

=== Finance Report ===
Walter to prepare a report for the next meeting.

Report from Ibiam about his contract to manage activities.

=== Google Code-in Replacement Discussion ===

Samson will take the lead and will organize a separate series of
meetings with the goal 4-6 orgs in Q4 2021.

=== Sugar Labs Mission/Goals Discussion ===
What is our mission?

MISSION
Sugar Labs® is a volunteer-driven member project of Software Freedom
Conservancy, a nonprofit corporation. Originally part of the One
Laptop Per Child project, Sugar Labs coordinates volunteers around the
world who are passionate about providing educational opportunities to
children through the Sugar Learning Platform. Sugar Labs® is supported
by donations and is seeking funding to accelerate development.

callaurrea
Sugar Labs produces, distributes, and supports the use of the Sugar
learning platform, a free software system that is freely available to
anyone who wants to use or extend it.

Claudia: Mission in the context of remote learning??? Small things we
can delivar... as oppose to being too ambitious to get anything done.

Claudia: periodic events... maybe every month an event??? Things that
are more scaffolded... respond to need.

Claudia: We mentor kids and get them to do something concrete.

Claudia: driven by something that is relevant... something we can commit to.

Walter: learning software and a learning community

What are our goals?

A place for people to learn about FOSS and great tools.

Sugar support for the existing OLPC deployments.
Sugarizer support for schools that use mobile technology.
Music Blocks for schools in Japan, kids in Peru, music teachers.

Do we want to concern ourselves with deployment?
If so, we need to be professional about it.

Do we want to use an OKR model?
Support on RPi, Sugar on a Stick on Ubuntu, Fedora, Trisquel

Jui: What is our Social Media story?
Samson reviewed the history. He will share the strategy doc.
Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube...

=== Communication Channels ===
How do we want to communicate? IRC, Matrix, JITSI, Slack, all of the above?

Samson and Claudia recommend:
https://discord.com/

650 kids used discord with Claudia's project.
Samson uses it with GNOME.

To be discussed next time.

=== Time and Place of Next Meeting ===
2021 January 06 (Wednesday) at 19:30 UTC

https://meet.jit.si/sugarlabs

Next time: bring to the table ideas for monthly project.

=== Closing ===

regards.

-walter

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[Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs oversight board meeting -- 23 Dec

2020-12-21 Thread Walter Bender
The next SLOB meeting is 12-23-20 at 19:30 UTC.

The agenda is at:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2020-12-23

The meeting will be held on jitsi. Please contact me if you need the link.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Today's Minutes and Next Meeting Time

2020-12-10 Thread Walter Bender
We can add this to the agenda for the Dec. 23 meeting.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:13 PM Srevin Saju  wrote:
>
> G'day!
>
> I have a topic, which perhaps needs discussion,
>
> We have been using IRC for many years. Recently, some of our
> communication moved to Slack, and some to Jitsi. What is Sugar Labs's
> idea of a best, unified communication platform which it should recommend
> to new developers. Right now, all the guides point directly to IRC, most
> new developers, who are interested to contributing to Sugar drop a
> message to an IRC channel, and almost never get a reply. This is
> possibly because the communication has diversified, or because of a
> community split on the basis of communication medium.
>
> Recently, many new developers told us of the difficulties of using IRC
> clients, the need for Bouncers, etc. We (some of us) suggested them to
> use a Matrix client to connect to #sugar, and indeed they are quite
> satisfied with new mode of communication.. The Matrix protocol.
>
> The Matrix protocol is interesting. Sugar had a matrix channel for many
> years. Recently we set up a bridge between the matrix channel
> (#sugar:matrix.org) and the IRC irc.freenode.net channel, i.e (#sugar),
> which helped a few developers to keep connected to the IRC channel
> without a bouncer and also make use of newer clients for mobile, for
> example Element Android (available  on F-droid, Google Play), and
> Element iOS. Element / Matrix has a intuitive web client which supports
> reactions and better formatting as compared to IRC, and is the best
> place for a developer to start contributing. The most interesting and
> useful feature is the IRC bridge, which helps to make use of the best of
> Matrix and maintain the connection between the IRC channel and the
> Matrix channel. The bridge is a tool which helps to convert the IRC
> protocol to the matrix protocol and vice versa.
>
> Topic of discussion, we a Sugar Gitter channel, Sugarizer Matrix
> channel, etc. Matrix has the support to integrate everything to a single
> channel. What is your opinion?
>
> Interesting points of discussion and helpful material:
>
> * Pull request to add Matrix as a communication medium
> (https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/pull/203)
> * Matrix Sugar Labs wiki page (https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Matrix)
> * Official matrix-irc guide
> (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms)
>
> As of now, many popular open source communities use Matrix as the main
> mode of communication, and all the sister nodes bridged to the matrix
> network
> For example:
>
> * Fedora
> * KDE
> * Mozilla Thunderbird
>
> It would be cool, if we discuss this among a wider range of community,
> putting a lot of people's idea rather than two of us discussion [cited].
> So, I hope this topic, would be a good candidate for the next SLOBS meeting.
>
> Regards
>
> On 12/9/20 11:48 PM, devin@ulibarri.website wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The date and time of the next SLOBs Meeting
> > <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Next_meeting> is
> > 12-23-20 at 19:30 UTC.
> >
> > For the next meeting, the agenda is up at
> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2020-12-23
> > <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2020-12-23>
> > We will be discussing a possible "Sugar Labs Code-in", so it would be
> > great to have your input.
> > I recommend that, if you are interested in attending the meeting, you:
> > 1. Mark your calendar. I do my best to send reminders, but today my
> > email got trapped in spam and I did not have the time to troubleshoot.
> > 2. Please let us know soon if you plan to attend so that we may send
> > you a link in advance. Please send your request to
> > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org <mailto:sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> > As for today's meeting minutes, they are up at:
> >
> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2020-12-09
> > <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2020-12-09>
> >
> > Best,
> > Devin
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting started with musicblocks

2020-12-06 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:48 AM Mridul Singh  wrote:
>
> Hello everyone
> I am a  third year Computer Science undergraduate.
> I have gone through the different projects under Sugar Labs and found 
> MusicBlocks very interesting. Also, because I am proficient in Javascript. I 
> have setup the server locally and have gone through the Readme. The full 
> documentation of music blocks was a lot to take. Can you suggest how should I 
> now progress? Many people suggested me to play with it first. Are there any 
> tutorials that I can follow to play around with it?

Check out [1] and [2]. Also, lots of example projects here [3] and on
the planet.

[1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/blob/master/documentation/README.md
[2] https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/blob/master/guide/README.md
[3] https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/blob/master/examples

-walter

> Also there were only 2 good first issues. Can you suggest me any good issue 
> that I can start working on?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Music Blocks architecture reevaluation

2020-11-30 Thread Walter Bender
The next call will be Wednesday at 7:30 AM EST (12:30 UTC).
https://meet.jit.si/ResponsibleMasksForecastHastily

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 7:46 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam
 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update, I wasn't able to be part of the call on Saturday and 
> yesterday as I wasn't available.
> I'd like to know of the times for future calls as I'd like to be part of it 
> too. Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
> ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 6:47 PM Anindya Kundu  wrote:
>>
>> We've identified a lot of serious architectural flaws regarding the current 
>> release of Music Blocks, and are planning on an almost ground-up rebuilding.
>>
>> We'll start with evaluating the current architecture, its design, and its 
>> problems. Thereafter, we'll start an entirely independent development cycle 
>> for a more robust application. The application will do the same thing, but 
>> under the hood it'll change entirely. We'll probably have a UI overhaul too.
>>
>> We'll begin with preliminary discussions starting tomorrow 12:30 PM UTC (I 
>> mean 7:30 AM in Boston. I'm not totally clear about the multiple-time zones, 
>> so correct me if I'm wrong).
>>
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>>
>> Feel free to join and put in your two cents.
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Music Blocks triage session

2020-11-25 Thread Walter Bender
The idea is to go through all the issues marked Needs Testing and then
prioritize the rest.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 9:03 PM Anindya Kundu  wrote:

> Any heads up on the plan of action?
>
> On Thu, 26 Nov, 2020, 2:17 am Walter Bender, 
> wrote:
>
>> Any and all who are interested, please join our Music Blocks triage
>> session on Saturday, 28 Nov. at 9:30 AM EST (14:3o UTC)
>>
>> https://meet.jit.si/ResponsibleMasksForecastHastily
>>
>> Feel free to contact me with any questions.
>>
>> regards.
>>
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[Sugar-devel] Music Blocks triage session

2020-11-25 Thread Walter Bender
Any and all who are interested, please join our Music Blocks triage
session on Saturday, 28 Nov. at 9:30 AM EST (14:3o UTC)

https://meet.jit.si/ResponsibleMasksForecastHastily

Feel free to contact me with any questions.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Some questions about Sugar and Sugar Live Build

2020-11-12 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:04 AM Martin Guy  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>   I have a couple of questions about Sugar and SLB that I haven't
> managed to answer yet, so if anyone knows, that would be a boost for
> me.
>
> * What difference does it make if one selects a different age group
>   at the startup screen? Also, if it's "nothing" as it seems, where
>   would I look to change SLB to make it skip the color and age
>   selection screens?

The age parameter, if available, is used in some activities, e.g., the
bot in the Chat activity assumes the same age as the child. But it is
not widely used and wouldn't be missed.

The color can be overridden after the fact, so it is probably OK to
skip that too,

See https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/tree/master/src/jarabe/intro

>
> * With a Live system, how does one change the language and
>   keyboard layout? (One option for me is to produce a range of
>   language-specific ISOs, each configured during the build for
>   a different language/kdb pair)

Language selection is in the Control Panel.

See https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/tree/master/extensions/cpsection

There is also a keybaord section there, but I don't recall how it works.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Updating www-sugarlabs

2020-11-05 Thread Walter Bender
Related, check out the Sugar Labs apps here:
https://klausenbusk.github.io/flathub-stats/

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 10:36 AM Martin Abente <
martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Can someone update sl.o ? I changed it months ago [1] to show our Flatpak
> apps, but it seems these changes are not deployed yet.
>
> 
>
> Refs:
> 1.
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/www-sugarlabs/commit/88bc4f1da48cd0eba2cc4072fdfc410629bdcc28
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Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS username & password

2020-11-03 Thread Walter Bender
There is no default username/password, you should have been prompted
to create one on install.How did you build it/ install it?

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 11:40 AM Angelo Danio  wrote:
>
> Dear,
> Started SoaS I landed on those screen asking user name and password and I’m 
> not able to find on website.
> May you help me?
> Angelo



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Trisquel image Ready for testing.

2020-10-31 Thread Walter Bender
It might be a worthwhile exercise to come up with a consistent naming
convention :P

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 6:20 AM Martin Guy  wrote:
>
> > the included activities are:
> >
> > abacus
> > analyzejournal
> > browse
> > calculate
> > ...
>
> I've been looking at what activities to include in a Sugar Live
> Everything i386 release, but it looks like you've made my task easier.
> Shall I call it Sugar Live Trisqel in honour of the Activity selection
> or do you think that would confuse things?
>
> Also, if you're OK with me lifting your Acvivity selection, I see I
> need to include lines like
>
>   clone https://github.com/sugarlabs/somethingSomething.activity
>
> in Sugar Live Build's auto/config file, where "something" is usually
> "something-activity" but not all actiivies follow this convention, so
> do you have to hand a list of the github-name activity-name pairs for
> the Trisqel list, to save me having to pore over github/sugarlabs'
> many pages of activities by hand?
>
> I see that sugarlabs-calculator (named in SLB' sucrose set) on github
> redirects to calculator-activity (I guess it was renamed at some
> point). If all activities were to do this (e.g. pippy-activity->Pippy)
> it would be easier to reduce package choices to a succint list.
>
> M
>
> Thanks again
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] State of Sugar?

2020-10-30 Thread Walter Bender
re people can come
to learn. We've been very active in programs such as Google Summer of
Code and Google Code-in (alas no more). And while some of the
participants have stuck around, almost all of them have learned
something along the way -- about programming, about FOSS, about
engaging a community, about pedagogy, etc. Supporting Sugar Labs as a
place of learning motivates me.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to start contributing to SugarLabs

2020-09-26 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 7:39 AM Shrey tripathi 
wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I am Shrey, a new contributor to Sugar. I am well--versed in Python and
> its web framework Flask and Django. I am also comfortable in Javascript and
> React, HTML, and CSS.
> Please provide pointers as to where and/or how should I start contributing
> to Sugar Labs.
>

Step 1 would be to review the "How to Contribute" section of the sugar-docs
repo [1].
Given your background, you could probably jump into any number of projects.
There are open issues throughout.
Is your motivation to get involved related to Google Summer of Code? If so,
you may also want to see [2].


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[1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs
[2] https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Gradual reorganizing of Music Blocks codebase

2020-09-09 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:17 AM Anindya Kundu  wrote:

> Got it. So, are we going to build on top of Christopher's work or do we
> start afresh?
>

I think we can start afresh.

>
> I thought his implementation needed improvements as it doesn't actually
> store the values in some variable, rather it parses the blocks to find the
> values.
>

Yes. That is a problem.

>
> Also, he has created constructs for creating custom dictionaries, I'm not
> sure whether we want that too.
>

That still might be handy for some applications. I imagine referencing a
dictionary that is not a turtle name would create a custom dictionary.

>
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 02:04, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:57 PM Anindya Kundu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We'd definitely need to go back to the drawing board and chalk out the
>>> plan and the structure, e.g. data flow diagram. With it, I'll come up with
>>> a list of objectives and create the issue.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I can help with the dictionary stuff too. Please do let me
>>> know what I can do.
>>>
>>
>> The current implementation is tied to the block structure, which doesn't
>> really work (especially for  JavaScript export). I think there should be a
>> default dictionary for each turtle and that dictionary should auto-populate
>> with the turtle attributes. You should be able to access the dictionary by
>> the turtle name (or by default for your own dictionary). This would let us
>> eliminate most of the Ensemble blocks.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, thanks Vaibhav for the resources, and Devin, I'll keep you posted
>>> when I begin.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 01:14, Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Anindya Kundu 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm considering reorganizing the modules and cleaning up the complete
>>>>> codebase in a gradual manner - something I briefly worked on, during this
>>>>> summer. It is to my understanding that Music Blocks was built
>>>>> progressively, and there's still scope for a lot of additions, but I've
>>>>> observed some significant issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel the user experience isn't quite appealing. For instance, the
>>>>> application feels bulky, the mouse interaction isn't very good, there are
>>>>> UI lapses here and there, etc. As for the code, I feel we are lacking
>>>>> structure. The JS modules have become disorganized, there's lots of
>>>>> deprecated code spread throughout, and the scripts do not stick to a 
>>>>> proper
>>>>> convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many times it becomes a challenge to figure out the source of a bug or
>>>>> add/modify some code. Also, it is quite easy to generate an obscure bug
>>>>> while fixing something else. Moreover, several components are convoluted
>>>>> among themselves. I've only worked on the MVC refactoring of a few
>>>>> components, but I believe it should be done all throughout for it to bear
>>>>> advantages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, I'm planning on rebuilding a structure under the hood,
>>>>> primarily for better code management, but also to enhance the performance
>>>>> of the application. Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Anindya Kundu*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds great.
>>>>
>>>> Before you jump into coding maybe you can create a master issue to
>>>> track proposed changes and progress.
>>>>
>>>> (One obvious TODO would be to rid the code of its dependency on
>>>> createjs, which seems to be abandonware.)
>>>>
>>>> FYI, I am working on the dictionary block PR, which needs some serious
>>>> attention. I do think we could use it to greatly simplify the Ensemble 
>>>> code.
>>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Gradual reorganizing of Music Blocks codebase

2020-09-08 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:57 PM Anindya Kundu  wrote:

> We'd definitely need to go back to the drawing board and chalk out the
> plan and the structure, e.g. data flow diagram. With it, I'll come up with
> a list of objectives and create the issue.
>
> Meanwhile, I can help with the dictionary stuff too. Please do let me know
> what I can do.
>

The current implementation is tied to the block structure, which doesn't
really work (especially for  JavaScript export). I think there should be a
default dictionary for each turtle and that dictionary should auto-populate
with the turtle attributes. You should be able to access the dictionary by
the turtle name (or by default for your own dictionary). This would let us
eliminate most of the Ensemble blocks.

>
> Also, thanks Vaibhav for the resources, and Devin, I'll keep you posted
> when I begin.
>
> On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 01:14, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Anindya Kundu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm considering reorganizing the modules and cleaning up the complete
>>> codebase in a gradual manner - something I briefly worked on, during this
>>> summer. It is to my understanding that Music Blocks was built
>>> progressively, and there's still scope for a lot of additions, but I've
>>> observed some significant issues.
>>>
>>> I feel the user experience isn't quite appealing. For instance, the
>>> application feels bulky, the mouse interaction isn't very good, there are
>>> UI lapses here and there, etc. As for the code, I feel we are lacking
>>> structure. The JS modules have become disorganized, there's lots of
>>> deprecated code spread throughout, and the scripts do not stick to a proper
>>> convention.
>>>
>>> Many times it becomes a challenge to figure out the source of a bug or
>>> add/modify some code. Also, it is quite easy to generate an obscure bug
>>> while fixing something else. Moreover, several components are convoluted
>>> among themselves. I've only worked on the MVC refactoring of a few
>>> components, but I believe it should be done all throughout for it to bear
>>> advantages.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I'm planning on rebuilding a structure under the hood,
>>> primarily for better code management, but also to enhance the performance
>>> of the application. Any thoughts or suggestions?
>>>
>>>
>>> *Anindya Kundu*
>>>
>>>
>> Sounds great.
>>
>> Before you jump into coding maybe you can create a master issue to track
>> proposed changes and progress.
>>
>> (One obvious TODO would be to rid the code of its dependency on createjs,
>> which seems to be abandonware.)
>>
>> FYI, I am working on the dictionary block PR, which needs some serious
>> attention. I do think we could use it to greatly simplify the Ensemble code.
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Gradual reorganizing of Music Blocks codebase

2020-09-08 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:39 AM Anindya Kundu 
wrote:

> I'm considering reorganizing the modules and cleaning up the complete
> codebase in a gradual manner - something I briefly worked on, during this
> summer. It is to my understanding that Music Blocks was built
> progressively, and there's still scope for a lot of additions, but I've
> observed some significant issues.
>
> I feel the user experience isn't quite appealing. For instance, the
> application feels bulky, the mouse interaction isn't very good, there are
> UI lapses here and there, etc. As for the code, I feel we are lacking
> structure. The JS modules have become disorganized, there's lots of
> deprecated code spread throughout, and the scripts do not stick to a proper
> convention.
>
> Many times it becomes a challenge to figure out the source of a bug or
> add/modify some code. Also, it is quite easy to generate an obscure bug
> while fixing something else. Moreover, several components are convoluted
> among themselves. I've only worked on the MVC refactoring of a few
> components, but I believe it should be done all throughout for it to bear
> advantages.
>
> Therefore, I'm planning on rebuilding a structure under the hood,
> primarily for better code management, but also to enhance the performance
> of the application. Any thoughts or suggestions?
>
>
> *Anindya Kundu*
>
>
Sounds great.

Before you jump into coding maybe you can create a master issue to track
proposed changes and progress.

(One obvious TODO would be to rid the code of its dependency on createjs,
which seems to be abandonware.)

FYI, I am working on the dictionary block PR, which needs some serious
attention. I do think we could use it to greatly simplify the Ensemble code.

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[Sugar-devel] Music Blocks v3.3

2020-09-06 Thread Walter Bender
V3.3 has just been released. Read all about it here [1].Thanks to the
efforts of Anindya Kundu (@meganindya) Aviral Gangwar (@aviral243), and
Saksham Mrig (@sksum), we have made tremendous progress on Music Blocks
this summer. (Tip-of-the-hat to the GSoC mentors as well: Favor, Sumit, and
Devin.)

enjoy.

-walter

[1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/releases/tag/v3.3
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Handling of SVG in Sugar/Sugarizer

2020-08-20 Thread Walter Bender
Very interesting. I hadn't known that svg had css support these days. Would
make sense to take advantage.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 4:55 PM Lionel Laské  wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> From the beginning, the handling of SVG files in Sugar rely on Entity
> fields in the header of files. Something like:
>
>  "http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11.dtd; [
>   
>   
> ]>
>
> This mechanism is described on [1]. Sugarizer rely on the same mechanism
> to colorize icons.
>
> Because this "hack" has some drawbacks - specifically on performance - I
> think to change it in a future version of Sugarizer to use native SVG/CSS
> features instead. I've done a detailed study here [2] to explain how it
> could work.
>
> Of course it will generate compatibility issues but it would be nice to
> see if the same thing could be done in Python too. I'm not a Python/Gtk
> specialist but will be happy to help on it.
>
> Regards.
>
> Lionel.
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Almanac/Making_Icons
> [2] https://github.com/llaske/svgstudy
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC Music Blocks update

2020-08-03 Thread Walter Bender
We released v3.2 to reflect the work done to date by the GSoC interns. You
can view the release notes at [1].

enjoy.

-walter

[1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/releases/tag/v3.2

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[Sugar-devel] Tom Gilliard

2020-07-26 Thread Walter Bender
I am saddened by the news that Tom Gilliard (satellit), long time Sugar
contributor has passed away after a long illness.

Tom was one of our most dedicated and diligent testers of Sugar builds (on
a wide variety of GNU/Linux platforms) and a great advocate who will be
missed.

Tom's wife Virginia can be reached at sandykayak...@gmail.com

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[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Sugar Activity Cross Development

2020-07-24 Thread Walter Bender
Does anyone have a decent dev experience from Windows that they can share?

-- Forwarded message -
From: John Sincak 
Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:47 AM
Subject: Sugar Activity Cross Development
To: 


Dr. Bender:

My name is John Sincak. I would like to develop a Sugar Activity to teach
developmentally disabled children the rudiments of equation balancing
through a Sugar Activity/game. I would of course be developing in Python,
making extensive use of pygames (as do many of the educational
activities/games I have seen on Sugar). My question is, does Sugar Labs
offer an SDK for cross-development from WIndows or Linux (Ubuntu), most
importantly including a Sugar Simulator to run the code on before moving it
to actual live Sugar? If not, is there a link on the wiki that goes through
this (because I have not found it despite looking rather diligently). It
seems that the best I might be able to do is run the Jappy activity from my
Sugar on a Stick, and consider that the best development environment to
hope for, but I just wanted to check with you first. Please let me know at
your convenience.

Thank you and take care,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Music Blocks in the Playstore (Walter Bender)

2020-07-22 Thread Walter Bender
Oh. We need to fix that. @Favour Kelvin 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 3:50 PM Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Awesome job,
>
> I just tested it on my tablet running Android 10 and It doesn't run
> offline, the APK is linked to the website. But this is a right step to
> something better.
>
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 8:42 PM Lionel Laské  wrote:
>
>>
>> Good job.
>>
>> BTW I'm surprised that the package size is only 1Mb.
>> Is it linked to the web site? Is it able to work offline ?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>   Lionel.
>>
>>
>>
>> Le mar. 21 juil. 2020 à 18:00, 
>> a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:21:59 -0400
>>> From: Walter Bender 
>>> To: Sugar-dev Devel 
>>> Subject: [Sugar-devel] Music Blocks in the Playstore
>>> Message-ID:
>>> >> uzx...@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Thanks to the efforts of Favour Kelvin, Music Blocks is now in the Google
>>> Play Store!!!
>>>
>>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=my.musicblock.sugarlab
>>>
>>> thanks Favour.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
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[Sugar-devel] Music Blocks in the Playstore

2020-07-21 Thread Walter Bender
Thanks to the efforts of Favour Kelvin, Music Blocks is now in the Google
Play Store!!!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=my.musicblock.sugarlab

thanks Favour.

regards.

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[Sugar-devel] MIDI input in Music Blocks

2020-07-04 Thread Walter Bender
One fun advance in GSOC is that Music Blocks now takes Midi input, so you
can write code by playing a Midi keyboard. I finally had a chance to test
it today -- my grandson has a Midi-2-USB cable for his electronic keyboard.
Worked great.

Tip of the hat to Saksahm.

-walter

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[Sugar-devel] Music Blocks in Peru

2020-07-03 Thread Walter Bender
Not sure it merits discussion at the SLOB meeting, but I wanted to give
everyone a heads up that the ministry of education in Peru will be
distributing on the order of 80 Android tablets to children in the
coming months. They will be including Music Blocks (translated into Aymara
and Quechua). I've been discussing the possibility of including Sugarizer
in future releases as well.

regards.

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[Sugar-devel] discussion topic for SLOB

2020-07-03 Thread Walter Bender
I was asked by Recycle USB (https://www.recycleusb.com/), the organization
that periodically sends us USB keys in bulk to distribute, if we could put
some sort of ACK on our website. Would like to discuss this with the board
at the next meeting.

FWIW, I just got a batch of 5000 8gig USB keys, suitable for distributing
SOAS et al. from Recycle USB.

regards.

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[Sugar-devel] Summer of Code evaluations due this week

2020-07-01 Thread Walter Bender
Mentors and students, please be sure to submit your GSoC evaluations this
week. We are still missing 50% of the mentor and student evaluations.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] FYI: GCI is discontinued

2020-06-11 Thread Walter Bender
A few of us have been discussing how we might continue the concept without
formal Google support. Stay tuned.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 2:58 AM Hrishi Patel 
wrote:

> That is extremely sad. I read that email, I have so many good memories
> with GCI.
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 2:25 AM Devin Ulibarri 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Members of the GCI Mentors mailing list received this message today
>> from Stephanie T. of Google.
>>
>> Some of you may not be on that list, but interested to know so I am
>> copying it here.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone for all their efforts (and hacking) over the years
>> for GCI with SL!
>>
>> > Hi GCI Mentors and Org Admins,
>> >
>> > Google Code-in concluded 10 amazing, productive, exhilarating years
>> > in January. This program has been a success because of the amazing
>> > energy and passion all of you have exhibited; volunteering dozens,
>> > hundreds, and in some cases, thousands(!) of hours to help 14,700+
>> > teenagers, from 115+ countries, complete a whopping 76,200+ open
>> > source tasks, during the past 10 years!
>> >
>> > We wanted all of you to be among the first to know that Google Code-
>> > in 2019 was our final Google Code-in contest. We've been looking hard
>> > at our portfolio of programs and as open source evolves, our programs
>> > need to evolve too. We've decided to focus our efforts on Google
>> > Summer of Code and programs like Season of Docs that meet projects'
>> > sustainability needs going into the next 10 years of open source.
>> >
>> > We want to thank you all for being inspiring role models to these
>> > students. Many of you were GCI or GSoC students yourselves and have
>> > been paying it forward for years by helping teenagers discover their
>> > passion for open source software development. The extent of your
>> > support was something many didn’t expect when they first started out
>> > trying to complete a few tasks to earn a Google T-shirt.
>> >
>> > You have welcomed students into your communities and shown them how
>> > open source is making the world a better place and how they can be a
>> > part of that. You all have inspired, taught, listened, and made a
>> > difference in the lives of thousands of students. THANK YOU! These
>> > students have brought fresh new perspectives and ideas into your
>> > communities, inspiring long-term committers with their enthusiasm,
>> > curiosity and skills.
>> >
>> > Many of you have been mentors for all 10 years of GCI (plus GHOP!),
>> > while others came into the GCI family just this past year. Regardless
>> > of when you joined, thank you all for showing immense kindness,
>> > patience, dedication, organization and guidance to the students, the
>> > other mentors in our GCI community, and to me and the rest of our
>> > team over the years.
>> >
>> > These past 10 years of Google Code-in have been an exciting,
>> > adrenaline pumping adventure – thanks for coming along on the ride
>> > with us!
>> >
>> > We will continue to be dedicated to helping open source communities
>> > be sustainable and finding new contributors is an essential part of
>> > those efforts. While Google Code-in is now officially retired, we
>> > look forward to finding new ways to support your communities.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Stephanie Taylor
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[Sugar-devel] Let the Coding Begin

2020-06-01 Thread Walter Bender
Today marks the first official day of coding for GSoC 2020. We have a
strong group of interns (and mentors) this year. Please welcome them and be
available to field questions.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Community Bonding Period - Music Blocks JS Export

2020-05-31 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:39 AM Anindya Kundu 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Coming to the end of the Community Bonding period, I want to sum up my
> initial progress on my project during the period, and my plans ahead as the
> official Coding Period begins.
>
> I had several meetings with my mentor, Walter, and other members of the
> Music Blocks group for this year's GSoC. Walter walked me through some of
> the complex functions, and we discussed on how to proceed.
>
> During the period, I've worked on the ES6 port, to clean up the code and
> make it ready for further work. Specifically, I've completely refactored
> logo.js and turtle.js, which are most important to my project. In
> addition, I've done a lot of cleanup w.r.t whitespaces, comments, short
> statements, etc. And, I'm satisfied that the files are in a good condition
> for me to start with. In addition, I've separated out note execution
> related behaviour to an external class named NoteController.
>
> In the upcoming weeks, I'll primarily be focused on separation of Model,
> View, and Controller from logo.js and turtle.js. For better modular
> behaviour, I've conceptualised 5 models and 4 controllers. The
> NoteController, mentioned above, is an experimental feature which needs
> further discussion; I intend to carry it out in parallel in the coming week.
>
> I'm keeping a log, and all my progress is maintained in a GitHub project
> <https://github.com/meganindya/musicblocks/projects/1> created in my fork
> of Music Blocks. It has 5 columns: Milestones, To do, In progress, Done,
> and Plans. Milestones keeps track of my overall progress and upcoming
> goals, Plans keeps note of my conceptualised ideas, while the rest keep
> track (archived after milestone achieved) of intermediate progress.
>
> Thank You.
>
> *Anindya Kundu*
>
>
Great progress so far. I think you are laying the foundation for a
successful project.

regards.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC Community Bonding Period - MB100Issues

2020-05-29 Thread Walter Bender
Thanks for the update.

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:07 PM Saksham Mrig 
wrote:

> Hi there ,
> Since the Community bonding period is almost over, I would like to update
> everyone on my project's progress .
> I have had daily meetings with the musicblocks group , and weekly meetings
> with Sumit. We discussed about new note class , "on every beat block", midi
> input/access and other issues in MB. Daily meetings consist of updates on
> our progress and any challenges we are facing. Both Devin and Walter give
> their input on our proposed fixes. Walter also clarifies any doubts we have
> in the codebase,
>
> Some of the issues that I have worked on -
>
>- G_5 plays too short #1973
>- Default Strong and Weak for Common Meters #2253
>- A forgiving broken 'pitch' block #1873
>- scroll issue in palette
>
> Major Issues I plan to work on - : 1 June - 7 June  ( Week 1 )
>
>- musickeyboard only saves default synth #1860
>- Proper placing of events for Lilypond #2233
>- "Hover" as a sensor event #2221
>- Accept MIDI input  #1899
>
> I have made a github project (
> https://github.com/sksum/musicblocks/projects/1)
> to keep track of my progress , I will be updating it regularly with
> new milestones.
> --
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Adding SVG for a new block in Music Blocks

2020-05-25 Thread Walter Bender
Export using the Save Block Artwork option.

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:17 PM Aviral Gangwar 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> I have been trying to add help for the nth modal pitch block and since
> there was a help string and SVG unavailable, I've been trying to add one.
>
> What is the procedure for generating the SVG for a macro?
>
> I have added SVG's for blocks in the past but I usually had a workaround
> using the code for a similar block. I tried using the blockArt but it is
> only helpful for individual blocks.
>
> I've attached the macro that needs to be generated.
>
> Thanks
> Aviral
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[Sugar-devel] Music Blocks v3.1 GSoC Bonding Period Release

2020-05-25 Thread Walter Bender
We pushed out a new release [1] based on the work done during the Bonding
Period. Thanks to all who contributed.

regards.

-walter

[1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/releases/tag/v3.1

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[Sugar-devel] happy birthday Sugar Labs

2020-05-15 Thread Walter Bender
:)

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Music Blocks] How is audio played

2020-04-20 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:12 AM Anindya Kundu 
wrote:

> I've been recently reading up the javascript files inside the blocks
> directory, trying to understand how different block objects are
> implemented. I found that they essentially work on different variables,
> mostly in logo.js.
>
> In logo.js, I specifically found calls to trigger(...) method defined in
> utils/synthutils.js, to play a note. Is it the only gateway to playing
> audio?
>
> Also, is all audio producing code present in synthutils.js?
>

Yes. synthutils acts as a wrapper for tone.js. There should not be any
audio calls outside of that code.

>
>
>
> *Anindya Kundu*
>
> *BTech, 6th Semester*
> *Dept. of Information Technology*
>
> *Indian Institute of Engineering Science and Technology, Shibpur*
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Music Blocks] Hidden Blocks

2020-04-04 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 1:53 PM Anindya Kundu  wrote:

> The block lists show HiddenNoFlowBlock ("hiddennoflow") and HiddenBlock
> ("hidden") blocks.
>
> What is their utility / why are they used?
>

These blocks are used to swap in when a project has a block that is unknown
to Music Blocks. (That might happen when a project file was somehow
damaged.) The goal is have the project still load under such circumstances.

>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Music Blocks] A general question regarding a functionality

2020-03-30 Thread Walter Bender
It is done by some ugly queue management, timeouts, and events. The
relevant code is all in logo.js. I can walk you through it if you want.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:42 AM Anindya Kundu 
wrote:

> I want to know how Music Blocks implements concurrent execution of
> multiple start blocks.
>
> As far as I know JavaScript doesn't support multi-threading. So, I can't
> think of how it could be implemented. What am I missing?
>
> Regards.
>
>
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>
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