Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/30/2010 07:38 PM, Gary Martin wrote: On 30 Sep 2010, at 17:58, Simon Schampijer wrote: I'm still not clear on the toolbar positioning for adding yet another button, unless we can move the reload/stop button inside the far right of the address bar (like we do with the Sugar search fields and the clear field widget). Regards, --Gary I like version 11 a lot. I would go with that one. Thanks a lot Gary for providing us with so much dog (not related to kennel) food, No problem – but thank goodness you didn't need an icon for a bike shed ;) Regards, --Gary Thanks! We are there finally! Thanks for all your sketches and ideas. Pushed the icon to master of sugar-artwork after branching off 0.90. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
OK, here's two more variants as discussed on IRC based on the previous go-home-9. Slightly narrower door, and versions with and without a chimney: Thanks! I'm still not clear on the toolbar positioning for adding yet another button, unless we can move the reload/stop button inside the far right of the address bar (like we do with the Sugar search fields and the clear field widget). Yes. It is a good idea, but a little more difficult to implement. I am trying to pull the previous changes in Browse before start with new things. Regards Gonzalo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
I'm still not clear on the toolbar positioning for adding yet another button, unless we can move the reload/stop button inside the far right of the address bar (like we do with the Sugar search fields and the clear field widget). Regards, --Gary I like version 11 a lot. I would go with that one. Thanks a lot Gary for providing us with so much dog (not related to kennel) food, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 30 Sep 2010, at 17:58, Simon Schampijer wrote: I'm still not clear on the toolbar positioning for adding yet another button, unless we can move the reload/stop button inside the far right of the address bar (like we do with the Sugar search fields and the clear field widget). Regards, --Gary I like version 11 a lot. I would go with that one. Thanks a lot Gary for providing us with so much dog (not related to kennel) food, No problem – but thank goodness you didn't need an icon for a bike shed ;) Regards, --Gary Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/17/2010 10:42 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, [...] Any catch your eye? Need another variant? Regards, --Gary Thanks Gary - these are great. I like go-home-4.png best as it does not have the chimney that could be seen as a western world icon. There is some similarity to the file-transfer icons though, but not too much to be confused I think. I wonder if we maybe should remove the space between the roof and the house 'body', how that looks like. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 20 Sep 2010, at 12:02, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 09/17/2010 10:42 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, [...] Any catch your eye? Need another variant? Regards, --Gary Thanks Gary - these are great. I like go-home-4.png best as it does not have the chimney that could be seen as a western world icon. There is some similarity to the file-transfer icons though, but not too much to be confused I think. I wonder if we maybe should remove the space between the roof and the house 'body', how that looks like. Was worried about it looking even more like an up arrow — hence adding the extra roof line detail. I'm also trying to avoid the dog kennel look — hence the versions with the chimney. I'll try and send another version or two later. --Gary Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/20/2010 06:21 PM, Gary Martin wrote: On 20 Sep 2010, at 12:02, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 09/17/2010 10:42 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, [...] Any catch your eye? Need another variant? Regards, --Gary Thanks Gary - these are great. I like go-home-4.png best as it does not have the chimney that could be seen as a western world icon. There is some similarity to the file-transfer icons though, but not too much to be confused I think. I wonder if we maybe should remove the space between the roof and the house 'body', how that looks like. Was worried about it looking even more like an up arrow — hence adding the extra roof line detail. I'm also trying to avoid the dog kennel look — hence the versions with the chimney. I'll try and send another version or two later. Hmm, ok - these are good points, too - though I don't mind the kennel that much... :) Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/14/2010 10:50 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 15:25, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. Yes, resume by default is likely trigging this feature request vs 0.82 users. I guess this can be considered another call to resolve the resume vs. start new designs. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Yes icon is OK (door/window should be cut out shapes rather than grey fills, I can easily fix if we go ahead with this). Hopefully we don't get too many complaints about using a western style house with pointy roof and a chimney ;) Heh, yeah I wondered about that, too. Though I could not come up with a better icon so far. We are very short of space in the Browse toolbar, if the create new tab feature had not just been added we would have had space for home (tabs is a complicated feature I worry will confuse most of our target audience, though I know us geeks use it all the time). Need a bit of a think on this, but hoping we don't need to add yet another button. Sascha suggested to move the reload and home button into one option IIRC. So, I was not too happy about it. Maybe this gives you some new ideas to regroup the options to not run into space issues. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Tue Sep 07 11:25:24 +0200 2010: To me reloading a page and going to a defined page is not related. As this might be a different way of thinking we might be able to find out with a quick user test. Other comments welcome of course. Looking forward to anyone conducting a user test. I don't have any way to do any useful one as my access to the current target group of Sugar (i.e. children and teachers) is rather limited. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 15 Sep 2010, at 12:03, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 09/14/2010 10:50 PM, Gary Martin wrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 15:25, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. Yes, resume by default is likely trigging this feature request vs 0.82 users. I guess this can be considered another call to resolve the resume vs. start new designs. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Yes icon is OK (door/window should be cut out shapes rather than grey fills, I can easily fix if we go ahead with this). Hopefully we don't get too many complaints about using a western style house with pointy roof and a chimney ;) Heh, yeah I wondered about that, too. Though I could not come up with a better icon so far. Looking... there's not too much 'home' variety out there to be honest, have something better than posted (technically at least re door and window), will post tomorrow once I've tried a few more out. We are very short of space in the Browse toolbar, if the create new tab feature had not just been added we would have had space for home (tabs is a complicated feature I worry will confuse most of our target audience, though I know us geeks use it all the time). Need a bit of a think on this, but hoping we don't need to add yet another button. Sascha suggested to move the reload and home button into one option IIRC. So, I was not too happy about it. Maybe this gives you some new ideas to regroup the options to not run into space issues. Is it possible to remove the reload button and place an equivalent smaller widget inside the far right of the URL location input field, much like we already do with search input fields else where in Sugar (with the circle + x clear icon)? Keeping in mind that the reload button needs to change function from Reload to Stop depending on activity. FWIW, this is the same design Apple is using in Safari to save some button space. Regards, --Gary Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/06/2010 04:25 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) Gary is the go-home icon attached to the original mail acceptable? Any other ideas, or icons? Thanks, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 15:25, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. Yes, resume by default is likely trigging this feature request vs 0.82 users. I guess this can be considered another call to resolve the resume vs. start new designs. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Yes icon is OK (door/window should be cut out shapes rather than grey fills, I can easily fix if we go ahead with this). Hopefully we don't get too many complaints about using a western style house with pointy roof and a chimney ;) We are very short of space in the Browse toolbar, if the create new tab feature had not just been added we would have had space for home (tabs is a complicated feature I worry will confuse most of our target audience, though I know us geeks use it all the time). Need a bit of a think on this, but hoping we don't need to add yet another button. Regards, --Gary Thanks in advance for your feedback, Simon go-home.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
I have added a patch for 0.84 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10364 Gonzalo On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 15:25, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. Yes, resume by default is likely trigging this feature request vs 0.82 users. I guess this can be considered another call to resolve the resume vs. start new designs. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Yes icon is OK (door/window should be cut out shapes rather than grey fills, I can easily fix if we go ahead with this). Hopefully we don't get too many complaints about using a western style house with pointy roof and a chimney ;) We are very short of space in the Browse toolbar, if the create new tab feature had not just been added we would have had space for home (tabs is a complicated feature I worry will confuse most of our target audience, though I know us geeks use it all the time). Need a bit of a think on this, but hoping we don't need to add yet another button. Regards, --Gary Thanks in advance for your feedback, Simon go-home.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs Argentina ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
And for 0.90 Please review. I have added the icon in white, because the original icon is black, but probably we can change the icon in sugar-artwork Gonzalo On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Gonzalo Odiard godi...@sugarlabs.orgwrote: I have added a patch for 0.84 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10364 Gonzalo On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.comwrote: Hi Simon, On 6 Sep 2010, at 15:25, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. Yes, resume by default is likely trigging this feature request vs 0.82 users. I guess this can be considered another call to resolve the resume vs. start new designs. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Yes icon is OK (door/window should be cut out shapes rather than grey fills, I can easily fix if we go ahead with this). Hopefully we don't get too many complaints about using a western style house with pointy roof and a chimney ;) We are very short of space in the Browse toolbar, if the create new tab feature had not just been added we would have had space for home (tabs is a complicated feature I worry will confuse most of our target audience, though I know us geeks use it all the time). Need a bit of a think on this, but hoping we don't need to add yet another button. Regards, --Gary Thanks in advance for your feedback, Simon go-home.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs Argentina -- Gonzalo Odiard SugarLabs Argentina ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/06/2010 09:00 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from chm's message of Mon Sep 06 18:51:56 +0200 2010: FWIW you can holdAlt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Thanks for the tip. The resume sessions by default seems to work better for me when the Activity does not have multiple types of sessions so I usually want to continue. That is definitely not the case with Browse as I usually want the clean start and will select another session if I know I am going back to previous work... We had some ideas on how to improve this during the last design meeting (quite some time ago), but unfortunately nobody got around to doing any detailed mock-up yet. Help with this would be very welcome. Basically we considered doing an intermediate full-screen chooser after clicking on an activity icon. It would offer both Start New and a gallery of existing entries, similar to the (still not merged) grid view in the Journal. Android or iPad (don't remember which) seems to be doing something similar. Sascha Yes, we were did a lot of work on this one already (including tests that resume vs start new can not be solved by just switching modes). I think the proposal from Gary is the way to go and it is on my list for 0.92. Regards, Simon [1] http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2010-July/029187.html ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/06/2010 09:10 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 18:24:44 +0200 2010: Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We could add a new Palette (with some location / URI related icon) containing reload and go-home. Both are used rarely enough that we don't need them in the main toolbar. Hmm not sure one could group them like that, I think I would prefer one icon each. Why not? Reloading the current location (URL) and going to the home location (URL) are definitely related. I would even consider moving the bookmark function in there, but expected it to be used often enough to warrant some dominant place. Same rationale for the go-backward button. go-forward should stay only for consistency. To me reloading a page and going to a defined page is not related. As this might be a different way of thinking we might be able to find out with a quick user test. Other comments welcome of course. Adding yet another top-level button for go-home would clutter things too much IMO. Sure, I am all for not cluttering UI. On the other hand we want to make it discoverable. So we should be careful when we group things together. Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 09:21:06PM -0700, Hal Murray wrote: Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can hold Alt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Neat/thanks. Where is that documented? What else have I missed? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Notes#Home_Favourites_View_Improvements It didn't work for me. Is that a recent change? I'm running os852 which has Sugar 0.84.16. Yes, it's a change after the version you are running. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Thanks in advance for your feedback, Simon attachment: go-home.svg___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 6 September 2010 15:25, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Thanks in advance for your feedback, Simon Sounds good to me. I'm just a bit worried that the toolbar is getting ever more crowded, now with new tabs and whatnot. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/06/2010 04:27 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:25, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Thanks in advance for your feedback, Simon Sounds good to me. I'm just a bit worried that the toolbar is getting ever more crowded, now with new tabs and whatnot. I see your concern, though I think one more button is fine. They always say just one more... :) Regards, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
+1 We don't have other view of the library right now. Gonzalo On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as we resume by default, we see more learners to have problems with that, because in 0.82 we did start a new session when clicking on the activity icon, hence the Browse activity came up with the starting page in most cases. I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) What do others think? Thanks in advance for your feedback, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We could add a new Palette (with some location / URI related icon) containing reload and go-home. Both are used rarely enough that we don't need them in the main toolbar. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 06.09.2010, at 17:50, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We could add a new Palette (with some location / URI related icon) containing reload and go-home. Both are used rarely enough that we don't need them in the main toolbar. Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 6 September 2010 16:53, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 06.09.2010, at 17:50, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We could add a new Palette (with some location / URI related icon) containing reload and go-home. Both are used rarely enough that we don't need them in the main toolbar. Yeah. And I should probably make a new toolbar with all the tab buttons that Terminal has. Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. - Bert - Wouldn't a clearer explanation of auto-resuming in the UI be a better fix to this particular issue? ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 09/06/2010 05:53 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 06.09.2010, at 17:50, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We could add a new Palette (with some location / URI related icon) containing reload and go-home. Both are used rarely enough that we don't need them in the main toolbar. Hmm not sure one could group them like that, I think I would prefer one icon each. Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. This sounds like a fallen hint what you think about auto resume (at least in Browse) ;D I agree with Lucian, this should be fixed somewhere else (if). Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Mon Sep 06 17:53:41 +0200 2010: Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can hold Alt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 9/6/2010 12:34 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Mon Sep 06 17:53:41 +0200 2010: Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can holdAlt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Thanks for the tip. The resume sessions by default seems to work better for me when the Activity does not have multiple types of sessions so I usually want to continue. That is definitely not the case with Browse as I usually want the clean start and will select another session if I know I am going back to previous work... --Chris ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 06.09.2010, at 18:34, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Mon Sep 06 17:53:41 +0200 2010: Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can hold Alt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. I know. But I only remember when I clicked already ;) I guess we're going to add a home button to Etoys, too. It's too late for this release but probably in the next. inline: Etoys-Home.png - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Excerpts from chm's message of Mon Sep 06 18:51:56 +0200 2010: FWIW you can holdAlt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Thanks for the tip. The resume sessions by default seems to work better for me when the Activity does not have multiple types of sessions so I usually want to continue. That is definitely not the case with Browse as I usually want the clean start and will select another session if I know I am going back to previous work... We had some ideas on how to improve this during the last design meeting (quite some time ago), but unfortunately nobody got around to doing any detailed mock-up yet. Help with this would be very welcome. Basically we considered doing an intermediate full-screen chooser after clicking on an activity icon. It would offer both Start New and a gallery of existing entries, similar to the (still not merged) grid view in the Journal. Android or iPad (don't remember which) seems to be doing something similar. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 18:24:44 +0200 2010: Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We could add a new Palette (with some location / URI related icon) containing reload and go-home. Both are used rarely enough that we don't need them in the main toolbar. Hmm not sure one could group them like that, I think I would prefer one icon each. Why not? Reloading the current location (URL) and going to the home location (URL) are definitely related. I would even consider moving the bookmark function in there, but expected it to be used often enough to warrant some dominant place. Same rationale for the go-backward button. go-forward should stay only for consistency. Adding yet another top-level button for go-home would clutter things too much IMO. We should expose our keyboard accelerators in the palettes, but that's an orthogonal issue as web browsing is usually done with a pointing device. It's faster for the user to click some button than to switch to the keyboard and back. Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
On 06.09.2010, at 21:00, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from chm's message of Mon Sep 06 18:51:56 +0200 2010: FWIW you can holdAlt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Thanks for the tip. The resume sessions by default seems to work better for me when the Activity does not have multiple types of sessions so I usually want to continue. That is definitely not the case with Browse as I usually want the clean start and will select another session if I know I am going back to previous work... We had some ideas on how to improve this during the last design meeting (quite some time ago), but unfortunately nobody got around to doing any detailed mock-up yet. Help with this would be very welcome. Basically we considered doing an intermediate full-screen chooser after clicking on an activity icon. It would offer both Start New and a gallery of existing entries, similar to the (still not merged) grid view in the Journal. Android or iPad (don't remember which) seems to be doing something similar. That would be awesome! - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse
Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can hold Alt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Neat/thanks. Where is that documented? What else have I missed? It didn't work for me. Is that a recent change? I'm running os852 which has Sugar 0.84.16. I get the last instance of Browse that I had saved, the same thing I get without the Alt key down. But if I wait a few seconds with the cursor over the globe, it first gives me a pop-up with Browse and the name of the most recent instance, and after a few more seconds, it gives me a bigger popup showing all the saved names and a slot at the bottom saying Start. Is there a way to get out of Browse without saving anything? Auto-save saves the the current URL on top of the old name. That gets me out quickly, but if I've clicked around like I normally do, that probably breaks the name/URL binding I had setup. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
