Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle
Thank you everyone for your comments, Judging by all the comments, I believe we have some kind of democratic consensus already. So, I think the patch behavior could be like this: 1. Every time a user deletes an activity from the list view, will also delete activity's profile data. 2. Any other scenario, like upgrading using the CP updater or a bundle will behave like before (without deleting profile data). Saludos, Tincho ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:41:29 -0400, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: This ticket has some important discussion that was proposed for airing on the mailing list. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2074 There are patches under review that would delete learner data, perhaps unwittingly. An Activity bundle is deleted from the Home list view bundle pallet by invoking the 'Erase' menu action. I have submitted a solution for that scenario already, because it was a corner case for 2074. A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase' button. This is not necessary anymore. Because now it does not delete the installed activity anymore. For the proposed patch, to prevent the unwitting loss of Activity profile data or other content that may be stored in the Activity directory, an option checkbox should be added, such as, (check) erase all associated data, which could default to yes (checked). My last patches include your comments :) Without this, Learners may unexpectedly delete content that they downloaded at some expense, or be forced to reset profile preferences. If there isn't time to implement this data protection feature for the upcoming Dextrose release, we should not forget to provide this feature for all future learners (who may not have the same storage and usability constraints that prompted this patch). --Fred I would appreciate if someone could review my patches. Saludos, tincho ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle
On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase' button. For the proposed patch, to prevent the unwitting loss of Activity profile data or other content that may be stored in the Activity directory, an option checkbox should be added, such as, (check) erase all associated data, which could default to yes (checked). I disagree with the addition of a checkbox - in my experience, this kind of complexity will result in a random response from the user. I agree with the idea of deleting profile data when an activity is uninstalled. (if they want the profile data, why uninstall the activity?) Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase' button. For the proposed patch, to prevent the unwitting loss of Activity profile data or other content that may be stored in the Activity directory, an option checkbox should be added, such as, (check) erase all associated data, which could default to yes (checked). I disagree with the addition of a checkbox - in my experience, this kind of complexity will result in a random response from the user. +1 I agree with the idea of deleting profile data when an activity is uninstalled. (if they want the profile data, why uninstall the activity?) +1 (I presume the concern was over whether or not an update would remove the profile data.) Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle
Walter Bender wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase' button. For the proposed patch, to prevent the unwitting loss of Activity profile data or other content that may be stored in the Activity directory, an option checkbox should be added, such as, (check) erase all associated data, which could default to yes (checked). I disagree with the addition of a checkbox - in my experience, this kind of complexity will result in a random response from the user. +1 I agree with the idea of deleting profile data when an activity is uninstalled. (if they want the profile data, why uninstall the activity?) +1 (I presume the concern was over whether or not an update would remove the profile data.) A related problem for Soas is that an .xo stores it's activities in a different location (/home/liveuser/Activities) than those installed with the .iso (/user/share/sugar/activities My experience is that one had to use rmdir -R /user/share/sugar/activities/().Activity to make a similar version of an .xo activity start. Would the Confirm erase checkbox check and delete both locations? Tom Gilliard satellit Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle
On 19 Aug 2010, at 00:38, Thomas Gilliard wrote: Walter Bender wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase' button. For the proposed patch, to prevent the unwitting loss of Activity profile data or other content that may be stored in the Activity directory, an option checkbox should be added, such as, (check) erase all associated data, which could default to yes (checked). I disagree with the addition of a checkbox - in my experience, this kind of complexity will result in a random response from the user. +1 +1 I agree with the idea of deleting profile data when an activity is uninstalled. (if they want the profile data, why uninstall the activity?) +1 +1 Deleting such data may actually be what is required in the case of something that has saved broken 'profile' data. Erase and re-install is a common user meme (often sabotaged by broken/unexpected preference files living in unknown places). If an activity is storing user activity information in it's data directory (e.g. more than just preference information or data for caching purposes that can be regenerated), I'd assume it to be a design flaw and worthy of a bug ticket in trac. That user state belongs in the Journal. (I presume the concern was over whether or not an update would remove the profile data.) A related problem for Soas is that an .xo stores it's activities in a different location (/home/liveuser/Activities) than those installed with the .iso (/user/share/sugar/activities My experience is that one had to use rmdir -R /user/share/sugar/activities/().Activity to make a similar version of an .xo activity start. Would the Confirm erase checkbox check and delete both locations? If an activity is unbundled in /user/share/sugar/activities/ the list view does not give the user an Erase option. If an activity is in ~/Activities but has permissions that prevent the user from deleting, the Erase option is shown but disabled/dimmed out. --Gary Tom Gilliard satellit Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle
This ticket has some important discussion that was proposed for airing on the mailing list. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2074 There are patches under review that would delete learner data, perhaps unwittingly. An Activity bundle is deleted from the Home list view bundle pallet by invoking the 'Erase' menu action. A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase' button. For the proposed patch, to prevent the unwitting loss of Activity profile data or other content that may be stored in the Activity directory, an option checkbox should be added, such as, (check) erase all associated data, which could default to yes (checked). Without this, Learners may unexpectedly delete content that they downloaded at some expense, or be forced to reset profile preferences. If there isn't time to implement this data protection feature for the upcoming Dextrose release, we should not forget to provide this feature for all future learners (who may not have the same storage and usability constraints that prompted this patch). --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
