On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 08:06:43AM -0500, David Farning wrote:
This sets several important [precedents]:
Delegate authority - In this case the soas project can define its
own future. And the marketing team can define its own marketing
strategy.
This is not the precedent. Authority has not
All I see is a lot of unproductive reinforcement of 4. let's talk a
lot about tangential stuff to the detriment of letting SLOBs get on
with answering the original question[1,2].
Patches welcome.
Process and product are both important; the former builds our capacity
to get on with making the
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:07:05PM -0400, metamel wrote:
All I see is a lot of unproductive reinforcement of 4. let's talk a
lot about tangential stuff to the detriment of letting SLOBs get on
with answering the original question[1,2].
Patches welcome.
You're replying to one. It seems
Sebastien's original question[2] is unanswered perhaps because it's
been deemed maybe-already-answered[3] or peripheral
To the contrary, it seems to me that it remains unanswered only
because it has been deemed a very important question, one worth formal
consideration by a decision panel and
Yes, thanks Mel Tomeu, it is certainly the case that I need clarity
too, since the Sugar Labs message is part of a strategy designed to
achieve massive adoption of Sugar beyond OLPC, while supporting the
latter.
Sugar on GNU/Linux alone cannot be a vector of massive adoption, but
SoaS (as I
In my view, the mailing list should be called SoaS-Fedora. That's
the specific project the mailing list is intended to support, and we
haven't reached consensus that Sugar on a Stick should always refer
to the Fedora liveUSB project. Although that's clearly the case today
and for the forseeable
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
In my view, the mailing list should be called SoaS-Fedora. That's
the specific project the mailing list is intended to support, and we
haven't reached consensus that Sugar on a Stick should always refer
to the Fedora liveUSB
I thought about that, but in that case it wouldn't be appropriate for
Sebastian or anyone associated with Fedora or any other distro for
that matter to moderate the list; the moderator would need to be
distro-independent. Would the list also be open to any alternate
liveUSB Sugar project? This
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought about that, but in that case it wouldn't be appropriate for
Sebastian or anyone associated with Fedora or any other distro for
that matter to moderate the list; the moderator would need to be
distro-independent.
But marketing discussions are already on the Sugar Labs marketing
list. There's Sugar Labs marketing, nothing specific to SoaS. SoaS is
the pillar of the marketing strategy, but in the Sugar Labs picture.
The mailing list in question is for developers... on the specific
existing project. Googling
Mel, Sebastian, Walter, Bernie, David and the others, thanks for that
ad-hoc yet fruitful IRC discussion tonight. I trust someone can post
the transcript? Meetbot seemed revived.
I fully support the new list as a gathering place for any liveUSB
Sugar project, even if Sebastian's project is and
Thanks for the update, Sean!
The mailing list is up - details on the conversation are posted at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick#Make_a_SoaS_mailing_list.
In short: people talked, consensus was reached, stuff happened. We're
getting better at this - and are close to finishing
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:03:37AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
Ok - then the situation is this, then:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ASugar_on_a_Stickdiff=37874oldid=37820
It looks like the SoaS team is unblocked
I don't see how the SoaS team was ever blocked on the things that
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 07:35:25AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote:
This is a convincing demonstration of the utter failure in
decision-making.
This is overly harsh, sorry.
Martin
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:35 AM, Martin Dengler
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:03:37AM -0400, Mel Chua wrote:
Sebastien's original question[2] is unanswered perhaps because it's
been deemed maybe-already-answered[3] or peripheral
To the contrary, it seems to me
Mel Chua wrote:
There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick
By my count, there are 4 things we need to
I can understand why a teacher may not be interested in this discussion.
Still, the debate is also very relevant. It's about how we're going to
address your aunt's concerns.
The debate is definitely very relevant, and I'm glad we're having it.
Think of it this way: nobody wants to know how
There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick
By my count, there are 4 things we need to decide on and then
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:30, Mel Chua meta...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:30, Mel Chua meta...@gmail.com wrote:
There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to
summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my
apologies - and it's
Hi Mel that wiki page is helpful
To my knowledge, Sugar on a Stick has not been trademarked yet by
Sugar Labs; my position is that it should be.
Sugar on a Stick is the heart of the Sugar Labs strategy for spreading
Sugar use beyond OLPC. Although other technical solutions are
promising, at this
Ok - then the situation is this, then:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ASugar_on_a_Stickdiff=37874oldid=37820
It looks like the SoaS team is unblocked - now all that remains is
for the SoaS team members to identify themselves (I'd suggest just
requesting and joining a separate
] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick
I read the multiple future of SoaS discussions on this mailing list
and... to be honest, I was frustrated and didn't quite know how to
respond.
So I called my aunt Lynne May (I stay with her family when I'm in
Boston). She's been a teacher for over
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 05:38, Mel Chua m...@melchua.com wrote:
I read the multiple future of SoaS discussions on this mailing list
and... to be honest, I was frustrated and didn't quite know how to
respond.
So I called my aunt Lynne May (I stay with her family when I'm in
Boston). She's
Mel - thanks for this delightful and thoughtful post. I agree with
most of the points you and your aunt raise.
Ben says, about 'Friendly' and 'Consistent':
These two things sound pretty much the same to me.
They also sound absolutely impossible, taken strictly.
Taking a more relaxed
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:21:34AM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote:
From: Mel Chua m...@melchua.com
[make SoaS friendly/consistent/sustainable]
This is exactly the kind of feedback SoaS and deployment teams
need. Kudos!
I'm not sure why you see it as relevant. You're only right insofar as
SoaS
I think you're right on the money.
I can understand why a teacher may not be interested in this discussion.
Still, the debate is also very relevant. It's about how we're going to
address your aunt's concerns.
Think of it this way: nobody wants to know how sausage is made, right? Well,
we're
I read the multiple future of SoaS discussions on this mailing list
and... to be honest, I was frustrated and didn't quite know how to
respond.
So I called my aunt Lynne May (I stay with her family when I'm in
Boston). She's been a teacher for over 15 years. She teaches first
grade. (I've been
Mel Chua wrote:
Friendly.
Is there a one-stop shop I can go to where my problems will be fixed
immediately?
...
Consistent.
...
And the support experience needs to be consistent. As explained above,
teachers need to know that no matter what their problem is, if they
spend 2 minutes
So you probably disagreed with my statement that SoaS is not about
installing user files to a hard drive. Or do you mean having the Base
OS on the drive, but the user files/activities directory on a stick?
My use case does not require the user's environment to be portable. At least
for
2009/9/15 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net:
So you probably disagreed with my statement that SoaS is not about
installing user files to a hard drive. Or do you mean having the Base
OS on the drive, but the user files/activities directory on a stick?
My use case does not require the user's
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:
To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag,
[SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either
IAEP or Devel or both?
I just created a Sugar on a Stick topic on Sugar-Devel's
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:04:28PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:
To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag,
[SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either
IAEP or Devel or both?
b
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
wrote:
To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag,
[SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either
IAEP or
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote:
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:56, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
wrote:
To Martin's point, how about the routine use of a filterable tag,
[SoaS] , in the Subject to messages appropriately routed to either
IAEP or Devel
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:05, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
I would prefer to filter messages client side rather than having
something enforced on me.
Er, it's not *enforced*, as if you don't specify any topic you'll get all
mail sent to the list. Please see the help text Kevin
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