Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
David, I've never actually tried Image Viewer's collaboration, so it may not work. I was browsing the source code for other reasons and spotted a comment saying that it had collaboration code from Read Etexts. James Simmons Gary C Martin wrote: > On 5 Jun 2009, at 21:19, James Simmons wrote: > >> David, >> >> Four of the Activities you will be testing use pretty much the same code >> for collaboration: >> >> sugar-read >> sugar-readetexts-activity >> sugar-viewslides >> sugar-imageviewer > > For what it's worth, ImageViewer is definitely not collaborating > correctly (and has never) for me, it just defaults to the ObjectPicker > code path if you try to join a shared session using either Gabble > (jabber server) or Salute (local network). Tested 0.82 XO to XO, and > 0.84 mixed environments (Soas, Sugar-jhbuild). > > Regards, > --Gary ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:09 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > Hi folks, > We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday > 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and > 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) > > So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want to > see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite obvious. > We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will > suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, > or may need less of it (who knows :-) Sounds good. I need the results of such tests for project planning. > We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE > sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual > appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE > sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible > with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... I run Ubuntu, and I have virtual images for Fedora, Debian, and Caixa Magica. > Please > post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will > be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to > store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session > too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 > and 2 hours... > > Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have > them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative > abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on > whether/how we can make them collaborative: > > sugar-finance > sugar-flipsticks-activity > sugar-freecell > sugar-imageviewer > sugar-implode > sugar-infoslicer > sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity > sugar-joke-machine-activity > sugar-jukebox > sugar-labyrinth > sugar-maze > sugar-memorize > sugar-moon > sugar-paint-activity > sugar-pippy > sugar-playgo > sugar-read > sugar-readetexts-activity > sugar-record > sugar-slider-puzzle-activity > sugar-speak > sugar-storybuilder > sugar-tamtam-common > sugar-tamtam-edit > sugar-tamtam-jam > sugar-tamtam-mini > sugar-tamtam-synthlab > sugar-analyze > sugar-turtleart > sugar-typing-turtle > sugar-viewslides > sugar-write > sugar-browse > sugar-irc > sugar-calculate > sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) > sugar-cartoonbuilder > sugar-clock > sugar-colors > sugar-connect > sugar-drgeo-activity > xoEditor > sugar-evince > sugar-fiftytwo > sugar-chat > sugar-terminal > sugar-journal > sugar-physics > sugar-library > sugar-poll > sugar-tuxpaint > > kind Regards, > David (nubae) Van Assche > www.nubae.com > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
On 5 Jun 2009, at 21:19, James Simmons wrote: > David, > > Four of the Activities you will be testing use pretty much the same > code > for collaboration: > > sugar-read > sugar-readetexts-activity > sugar-viewslides > sugar-imageviewer For what it's worth, ImageViewer is definitely not collaborating correctly (and has never) for me, it just defaults to the ObjectPicker code path if you try to join a shared session using either Gabble (jabber server) or Salute (local network). Tested 0.82 XO to XO, and 0.84 mixed environments (Soas, Sugar-jhbuild). Regards, --Gary > Read Etexts and View Slides use code copied from Read. Image Viewer > says in its comments that it uses code copied from Read Etexts. All > four basically just let you make a copy of the document that is being > shared. Read is different from the rest because (the last time I > looked) it did not save a copy of the shared document in the Journal. > The rest do. > > Another difference with Read is that it uses meta data in the PDF to > give a title to the Journal entry that is sharing the document. Read > Etexts and View Slides don't have any meta data in their documents, so > documents received from others are given the titles "Read Etexts" or > "View Slides". In the Neighborhood view the names of the documents > offered for sharing are clearly visible, so you'd think there would be > *some* way of getting that information from the sharing Activity so > you > could update the Title in the Journal but I haven't figured out how to > do it. > > View Slides displays a crude count "n of n bytes total" when it > downloads a file and this seems to work. When I put exactly the same > code in Read Etexts it only displayed the final count, not the count > in > progress. Read Etexts uses multi threading when TTS is installed, and > maybe that is related to the reason. > > Transfer of large files is *very* slow. > > Hope this information is of some use. > > James Simmons > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Collaboration_Central could be upgraded or migrated as a summary page or session report. --Fred On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:19 PM, James Simmons wrote: > David, > > Four of the Activities you will be testing use pretty much the same code > for collaboration: > > sugar-read > sugar-readetexts-activity > sugar-viewslides > sugar-imageviewer > > Read Etexts and View Slides use code copied from Read. Image Viewer > says in its comments that it uses code copied from Read Etexts. All > four basically just let you make a copy of the document that is being > shared. Read is different from the rest because (the last time I > looked) it did not save a copy of the shared document in the Journal. > The rest do. > > Another difference with Read is that it uses meta data in the PDF to > give a title to the Journal entry that is sharing the document. Read > Etexts and View Slides don't have any meta data in their documents, so > documents received from others are given the titles "Read Etexts" or > "View Slides". In the Neighborhood view the names of the documents > offered for sharing are clearly visible, so you'd think there would be > *some* way of getting that information from the sharing Activity so you > could update the Title in the Journal but I haven't figured out how to > do it. > > View Slides displays a crude count "n of n bytes total" when it > downloads a file and this seems to work. When I put exactly the same > code in Read Etexts it only displayed the final count, not the count in > progress. Read Etexts uses multi threading when TTS is installed, and > maybe that is related to the reason. > > Transfer of large files is *very* slow. > > Hope this information is of some use. > > James Simmons > > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
David, Four of the Activities you will be testing use pretty much the same code for collaboration: sugar-read sugar-readetexts-activity sugar-viewslides sugar-imageviewer Read Etexts and View Slides use code copied from Read. Image Viewer says in its comments that it uses code copied from Read Etexts. All four basically just let you make a copy of the document that is being shared. Read is different from the rest because (the last time I looked) it did not save a copy of the shared document in the Journal. The rest do. Another difference with Read is that it uses meta data in the PDF to give a title to the Journal entry that is sharing the document. Read Etexts and View Slides don't have any meta data in their documents, so documents received from others are given the titles "Read Etexts" or "View Slides". In the Neighborhood view the names of the documents offered for sharing are clearly visible, so you'd think there would be *some* way of getting that information from the sharing Activity so you could update the Title in the Journal but I haven't figured out how to do it. View Slides displays a crude count "n of n bytes total" when it downloads a file and this seems to work. When I put exactly the same code in Read Etexts it only displayed the final count, not the count in progress. Read Etexts uses multi threading when TTS is installed, and maybe that is related to the reason. Transfer of large files is *very* slow. Hope this information is of some use. James Simmons ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
>Is there a wiki page to sign up and coordinate, or what's the procedure? >- Bert - http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Collaboration_Testing is available for event references, documentation, etc. It is transcluded for now at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/BugSquad/Meetings --Fred ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
Yeah as stated, we will use the default jabber server which is the solutions grove one I guess... or are u talking about another one? David On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:38 PM, David Farning wrote: > David, > > Can you try to use the Solutions Groovy jabber server? Caroline and > Dave are putting some very helpful resources behind cleaning up the > server. > > david(The other one) > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Caroline Meeks > wrote: > > Hi David, > > > > Will you be using the server hosted by Solution Grove/Zill? We would be > > very happy if you did. > > > > We have seen mysterious spikes in resource usage that is not correlated > to > > the number of users connected. I am suspicious that some of the > activities > > use too many resources when they are shared. I'd like to set it up so > that > > someone on your team has access to what is going on on the server so you > can > > try to correlate any spikes to specific activities. > > > > Thanks, > > Caroline > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:09 AM, David Van Assche > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi folks, > >>We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week > Wednesday > >> 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, > and > >> 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) > >> > >> So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really > want > >> to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite > >> obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, > and > >> will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more > >> collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) > >> > >> We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE > >> sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods > (virtual > >> appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, > openSUSE > >> sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are > compatible > >> with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... > Please > >> post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many > will > >> be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a > volunteer to > >> store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc > session > >> too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between > 1 > >> and 2 hours... > >> > >> Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have > >> them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative > >> abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on > >> whether/how we can make them collaborative: > >> > >> sugar-finance > >> sugar-flipsticks-activity > >> sugar-freecell > >> sugar-imageviewer > >> sugar-implode > >> sugar-infoslicer > >> sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity > >> sugar-joke-machine-activity > >> sugar-jukebox > >> sugar-labyrinth > >> sugar-maze > >> sugar-memorize > >> sugar-moon > >> sugar-paint-activity > >> sugar-pippy > >> sugar-playgo > >> sugar-read > >> sugar-readetexts-activity > >> sugar-record > >> sugar-slider-puzzle-activity > >> sugar-speak > >> sugar-storybuilder > >> sugar-tamtam-common > >> sugar-tamtam-edit > >> sugar-tamtam-jam > >> sugar-tamtam-mini > >> sugar-tamtam-synthlab > >> sugar-analyze > >> sugar-turtleart > >> sugar-typing-turtle > >> sugar-viewslides > >> sugar-write > >> sugar-browse > >> sugar-irc > >> sugar-calculate > >> sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) > >> sugar-cartoonbuilder > >> sugar-clock > >> sugar-colors > >> sugar-connect > >> sugar-drgeo-activity > >> xoEditor > >> sugar-evince > >> sugar-fiftytwo > >> sugar-chat > >> sugar-terminal > >> sugar-journal > >> sugar-physics > >> sugar-library > >> sugar-poll > >> sugar-tuxpaint > >> > >> kind Regards, > >> David (nubae) Van Assche > >> www.nubae.com > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > > > > > -- > > Caroline Meeks > > Solution Grove > > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > > > 617-500-3488 - Office > > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > > > ___ > > Sugar-devel mailing list > > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
David, Can you try to use the Solutions Groovy jabber server? Caroline and Dave are putting some very helpful resources behind cleaning up the server. david(The other one) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Caroline Meeks wrote: > Hi David, > > Will you be using the server hosted by Solution Grove/Zill? We would be > very happy if you did. > > We have seen mysterious spikes in resource usage that is not correlated to > the number of users connected. I am suspicious that some of the activities > use too many resources when they are shared. I'd like to set it up so that > someone on your team has access to what is going on on the server so you can > try to correlate any spikes to specific activities. > > Thanks, > Caroline > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:09 AM, David Van Assche > wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday >> 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and >> 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) >> >> So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want >> to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite >> obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and >> will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more >> collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) >> >> We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE >> sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual >> appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE >> sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible >> with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... Please >> post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will >> be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to >> store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session >> too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 >> and 2 hours... >> >> Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have >> them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative >> abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on >> whether/how we can make them collaborative: >> >> sugar-finance >> sugar-flipsticks-activity >> sugar-freecell >> sugar-imageviewer >> sugar-implode >> sugar-infoslicer >> sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity >> sugar-joke-machine-activity >> sugar-jukebox >> sugar-labyrinth >> sugar-maze >> sugar-memorize >> sugar-moon >> sugar-paint-activity >> sugar-pippy >> sugar-playgo >> sugar-read >> sugar-readetexts-activity >> sugar-record >> sugar-slider-puzzle-activity >> sugar-speak >> sugar-storybuilder >> sugar-tamtam-common >> sugar-tamtam-edit >> sugar-tamtam-jam >> sugar-tamtam-mini >> sugar-tamtam-synthlab >> sugar-analyze >> sugar-turtleart >> sugar-typing-turtle >> sugar-viewslides >> sugar-write >> sugar-browse >> sugar-irc >> sugar-calculate >> sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) >> sugar-cartoonbuilder >> sugar-clock >> sugar-colors >> sugar-connect >> sugar-drgeo-activity >> xoEditor >> sugar-evince >> sugar-fiftytwo >> sugar-chat >> sugar-terminal >> sugar-journal >> sugar-physics >> sugar-library >> sugar-poll >> sugar-tuxpaint >> >> kind Regards, >> David (nubae) Van Assche >> www.nubae.com >> >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > -- > Caroline Meeks > Solution Grove > carol...@solutiongrove.com > > 617-500-3488 - Office > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
On 5 Jun 2009, at 09:24, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 06:09, David Van Assche > wrote: >> Hi folks, >>We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week >> Wednesday >> 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm >> MST, and >> 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) >> >> So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we >> really want to >> see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite >> obvious. >> We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and >> will >> suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more >> collaborative, >> or may need less of it (who knows :-) >> >> We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the >> openSUSE >> sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods >> (virtual >> appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, >> openSUSE >> sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are >> compatible >> with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... > > What do you mean by "compatible for collaboration" and why do you > think it won't work between 0.82 and 0.84? Just wanted to chime in here, and great idea by the way! FWIW, I don't remember any Activity releases announcing they had broken collaboration with previous releases, so issues should be down to general collaboration bugs within an Activity, Sugar collaboration code, the server/network infrastructure, or possibly the dirsto/ platform (e.g a few months back Fedoras default firewall setting was blocking local collaboration). It's very much worth keeping track of Sugar version, activity version, distro as you test, that way you can re-test a bug with different combinations to help isolate where the fault is (also testing later in a local salute environment can isolate issues caused by Jabber server use). You will bump into faults... if you want to make a real difference, finding clearly repeatable cases is the absolute gold standard in getting fixes (random fail reports are interesting but rarely actionable). Wednesday 10th June (I'll be there) will be a fair shake of the tree. Later, in more controlled version/release/network/distro environments each issue can be re-tested, confirmed-reproducible, isolated as far as possible and trac reported. Regards, --Gary > Regards, > > Tomeu > >> Please >> post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how >> many will >> be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a >> volunteer to >> store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc >> session >> too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking >> between 1 >> and 2 hours... >> >> Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you >> have >> them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative >> abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming >> session on >> whether/how we can make them collaborative: >> >> sugar-finance >> sugar-flipsticks-activity >> sugar-freecell >> sugar-imageviewer >> sugar-implode >> sugar-infoslicer >> sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity >> sugar-joke-machine-activity >> sugar-jukebox >> sugar-labyrinth >> sugar-maze >> sugar-memorize >> sugar-moon >> sugar-paint-activity >> sugar-pippy >> sugar-playgo >> sugar-read >> sugar-readetexts-activity >> sugar-record >> sugar-slider-puzzle-activity >> sugar-speak >> sugar-storybuilder >> sugar-tamtam-common >> sugar-tamtam-edit >> sugar-tamtam-jam >> sugar-tamtam-mini >> sugar-tamtam-synthlab >> sugar-analyze >> sugar-turtleart >> sugar-typing-turtle >> sugar-viewslides >> sugar-write >> sugar-browse >> sugar-irc >> sugar-calculate >> sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) >> sugar-cartoonbuilder >> sugar-clock >> sugar-colors >> sugar-connect >> sugar-drgeo-activity >> xoEditor >> sugar-evince >> sugar-fiftytwo >> sugar-chat >> sugar-terminal >> sugar-journal >> sugar-physics >> sugar-library >> sugar-poll >> sugar-tuxpaint >> >> kind Regards, >> David (nubae) Van Assche >> www.nubae.com >> >> >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > ___ > Sugar-devel mailing list > Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
Hi David, Will you be using the server hosted by Solution Grove/Zill? We would be very happy if you did. We have seen mysterious spikes in resource usage that is not correlated to the number of users connected. I am suspicious that some of the activities use too many resources when they are shared. I'd like to set it up so that someone on your team has access to what is going on on the server so you can try to correlate any spikes to specific activities. Thanks, Caroline On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:09 AM, David Van Assche wrote: > Hi folks, >We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday > 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and > 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) > > So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want > to see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite > obvious. We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and > will suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more > collaborative, or may need less of it (who knows :-) > > We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE > sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual > appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE > sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible > with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... Please > post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will > be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to > > store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session > too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 > and 2 hours... > > Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have > them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative > abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on > whether/how we can make them collaborative: > > sugar-finance > sugar-flipsticks-activity > sugar-freecell > sugar-imageviewer > sugar-implode > sugar-infoslicer > sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity > sugar-joke-machine-activity > sugar-jukebox > sugar-labyrinth > sugar-maze > sugar-memorize > sugar-moon > sugar-paint-activity > sugar-pippy > sugar-playgo > sugar-read > sugar-readetexts-activity > sugar-record > sugar-slider-puzzle-activity > sugar-speak > sugar-storybuilder > sugar-tamtam-common > sugar-tamtam-edit > sugar-tamtam-jam > sugar-tamtam-mini > sugar-tamtam-synthlab > sugar-analyze > sugar-turtleart > sugar-typing-turtle > sugar-viewslides > sugar-write > sugar-browse > sugar-irc > sugar-calculate > sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) > sugar-cartoonbuilder > sugar-clock > sugar-colors > sugar-connect > sugar-drgeo-activity > xoEditor > sugar-evince > sugar-fiftytwo > sugar-chat > sugar-terminal > sugar-journal > sugar-physics > sugar-library > sugar-poll > sugar-tuxpaint > > kind Regards, > David (nubae) Van Assche > www.nubae.com > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:09, David Van Assche wrote: > Well as we just discussed in irc, some activities will actually share and > allow for collaboration, but the vast majority do not and/or dont work > between different distribution methods. In any case we can certainly try > some out and send you the log files to dissect, in case u cannot make it. I think that the vast majority won't have changed the collaboration protocol and should work. If they don't, I would suspect a problem in the collaboration infrastructure. Regards, Tomeu > kind regards, > David (nubae) > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 06:09, David Van Assche >> wrote: >> > Hi folks, >> > We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week >> > Wednesday >> > 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, >> > and >> > 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) >> > >> > So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really >> > want to >> > see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite >> > obvious. >> > We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will >> > suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more >> > collaborative, >> > or may need less of it (who knows :-) >> > >> > We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE >> > sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods >> > (virtual >> > appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, >> > openSUSE >> > sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are >> > compatible >> > with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... >> >> What do you mean by "compatible for collaboration" and why do you >> think it won't work between 0.82 and 0.84? >> >> Regards, >> >> Tomeu >> >> > Please >> > post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many >> > will >> > be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a >> > volunteer to >> > store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc >> > session >> > too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between >> > 1 >> > and 2 hours... >> > >> > Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have >> > them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative >> > abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on >> > whether/how we can make them collaborative: >> > >> > sugar-finance >> > sugar-flipsticks-activity >> > sugar-freecell >> > sugar-imageviewer >> > sugar-implode >> > sugar-infoslicer >> > sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity >> > sugar-joke-machine-activity >> > sugar-jukebox >> > sugar-labyrinth >> > sugar-maze >> > sugar-memorize >> > sugar-moon >> > sugar-paint-activity >> > sugar-pippy >> > sugar-playgo >> > sugar-read >> > sugar-readetexts-activity >> > sugar-record >> > sugar-slider-puzzle-activity >> > sugar-speak >> > sugar-storybuilder >> > sugar-tamtam-common >> > sugar-tamtam-edit >> > sugar-tamtam-jam >> > sugar-tamtam-mini >> > sugar-tamtam-synthlab >> > sugar-analyze >> > sugar-turtleart >> > sugar-typing-turtle >> > sugar-viewslides >> > sugar-write >> > sugar-browse >> > sugar-irc >> > sugar-calculate >> > sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) >> > sugar-cartoonbuilder >> > sugar-clock >> > sugar-colors >> > sugar-connect >> > sugar-drgeo-activity >> > xoEditor >> > sugar-evince >> > sugar-fiftytwo >> > sugar-chat >> > sugar-terminal >> > sugar-journal >> > sugar-physics >> > sugar-library >> > sugar-poll >> > sugar-tuxpaint >> > >> > kind Regards, >> > David (nubae) Van Assche >> > www.nubae.com >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
On 05.06.2009, at 06:09, David Van Assche wrote: Hi folks, We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) So you mean 19:00 UTC (because of daylight saving): http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=6&day=10&year=2009&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
Well as we just discussed in irc, some activities will actually share and allow for collaboration, but the vast majority do not and/or dont work between different distribution methods. In any case we can certainly try some out and send you the log files to dissect, in case u cannot make it. kind regards, David (nubae) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 06:09, David Van Assche > wrote: > > Hi folks, > >We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week > Wednesday > > 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, > and > > 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) > > > > So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want > to > > see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite > obvious. > > We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will > > suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more > collaborative, > > or may need less of it (who knows :-) > > > > We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE > > sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual > > appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, > openSUSE > > sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are > compatible > > with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... > > What do you mean by "compatible for collaboration" and why do you > think it won't work between 0.82 and 0.84? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > Please > > post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many > will > > be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer > to > > store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session > > too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between > 1 > > and 2 hours... > > > > Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have > > them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative > > abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on > > whether/how we can make them collaborative: > > > > sugar-finance > > sugar-flipsticks-activity > > sugar-freecell > > sugar-imageviewer > > sugar-implode > > sugar-infoslicer > > sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity > > sugar-joke-machine-activity > > sugar-jukebox > > sugar-labyrinth > > sugar-maze > > sugar-memorize > > sugar-moon > > sugar-paint-activity > > sugar-pippy > > sugar-playgo > > sugar-read > > sugar-readetexts-activity > > sugar-record > > sugar-slider-puzzle-activity > > sugar-speak > > sugar-storybuilder > > sugar-tamtam-common > > sugar-tamtam-edit > > sugar-tamtam-jam > > sugar-tamtam-mini > > sugar-tamtam-synthlab > > sugar-analyze > > sugar-turtleart > > sugar-typing-turtle > > sugar-viewslides > > sugar-write > > sugar-browse > > sugar-irc > > sugar-calculate > > sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) > > sugar-cartoonbuilder > > sugar-clock > > sugar-colors > > sugar-connect > > sugar-drgeo-activity > > xoEditor > > sugar-evince > > sugar-fiftytwo > > sugar-chat > > sugar-terminal > > sugar-journal > > sugar-physics > > sugar-library > > sugar-poll > > sugar-tuxpaint > > > > kind Regards, > > David (nubae) Van Assche > > www.nubae.com > > > > > > ___ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] collaboration testing session
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 06:09, David Van Assche wrote: > Hi folks, > We are having a collaborative sugar testing session next week Wednesday > 10th June at 20:00 UTC (That is 4 pm EDT, 3pm EST, 2 pm CST, 1 pm MST, and > 12 pm PST, most of Europe that will be 9 pm, 8 pm for the UK) > > So far we have 5 people signed up, but more are welcome as we really want to > see how collaboration works on many activities where it isn't quite obvious. > We will be taking notes and storing log files of the sessions, and will > suggest ways in which the activity in question might be more collaborative, > or may need less of it (who knows :-) > > We will be testing the activities that come preinstalled on the openSUSE > sugar images, but we'd like to test various distribution methods (virtual > appliance, cd, usb, hd) and various distros (at least Fedora SoaS, openSUSE > sugar, Mandriva or Caixa Magica) I dont believe 0.82 images are compatible > with 0.84 for collaboration, so am afraid this is for 0.84 only... What do you mean by "compatible for collaboration" and why do you think it won't work between 0.82 and 0.84? Regards, Tomeu > Please > post your willingness to participate so we have an idea on who/how many will > be collaborating. We also need a volunteer to take notes, and a volunteer to > store logs files. There will of course be a transcript of the irc session > too (we will meet at #sugar-collaboration) We forsee this taking between 1 > and 2 hours... > > Here is the list of activities we will be testing, so make sure you have > them installed if you plan to take part (not all have collaborative > abilities, and for those that don't it can be a brainstorming session on > whether/how we can make them collaborative: > > sugar-finance > sugar-flipsticks-activity > sugar-freecell > sugar-imageviewer > sugar-implode > sugar-infoslicer > sugar-jigsaw-puzzle-activity > sugar-joke-machine-activity > sugar-jukebox > sugar-labyrinth > sugar-maze > sugar-memorize > sugar-moon > sugar-paint-activity > sugar-pippy > sugar-playgo > sugar-read > sugar-readetexts-activity > sugar-record > sugar-slider-puzzle-activity > sugar-speak > sugar-storybuilder > sugar-tamtam-common > sugar-tamtam-edit > sugar-tamtam-jam > sugar-tamtam-mini > sugar-tamtam-synthlab > sugar-analyze > sugar-turtleart > sugar-typing-turtle > sugar-viewslides > sugar-write > sugar-browse > sugar-irc > sugar-calculate > sugar-xomail (sugar-sweetmail) > sugar-cartoonbuilder > sugar-clock > sugar-colors > sugar-connect > sugar-drgeo-activity > xoEditor > sugar-evince > sugar-fiftytwo > sugar-chat > sugar-terminal > sugar-journal > sugar-physics > sugar-library > sugar-poll > sugar-tuxpaint > > kind Regards, > David (nubae) Van Assche > www.nubae.com > > > ___ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
