Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Great discussion. I'd love to be able to have a name for the next release because I need to talk about it a great deal these days. I say Should we base our spin on Strawberry or the next release. I talk about: Should we try to combine Strawberry codebase and the new tool bar design?. Can I start calling it Blueberry? Is the new toolbar design the Blueberry style toolbar? Thanks, Caroline On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a directory...so I was hoping that you would just say yes or no - use [this one] when I asked you: Ah - so perhaps this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_05.png ...is the logo you want, not the one I mentioned in my email: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png [Hoped for:] YES - use #5 [or] NO - use #4 But the reason I'm dragging this out even further is I got: About the logo, it's the blueberriest one we will want, variant 4 Aha so it's 4...but no, wait: the one we used in the marketing materials prepared for the Strawberry launch, variant 6: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners ...so it's...6?! So do you want 4 (like you said first above) or 6 (like you said second above) or 5 (like you said earlier since you want it to be one of the ones from the beauty shot that clearly doesn't have 4 or 6)? No, there wasn't marketing decided, it was Tomeu who thought of flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit since natural wholesome sugars, a fun treat for kids), and sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting. Tomeu suggested exactly what he suggested, which was clearly NOT flavours: Cherry-Oak is not a flavour. You and Eben were talking about colours explicitly and nobody said _anything_ about flavours: I think it's most appropriate to say that this idea was developed collectively. I don't remember what I said nor why, but I think I was expressing support for someone else's earlier idea. I think most or all specific suggestions in this thread will work well and I don't think it's much worth discussing which one will be best. If someone really cares, we could define a process to decide names such as Fedora's, though I really hope we find better names than them, which I personally dislike even more than Ubuntu's. Regards, Tomeu [SeanDaly] [Eben] [Tomeu] Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask what color is the Sugar logo? and match that to the version number. I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. So awesome that it may solve the controversial issue of naming releases: Banana-Chocolate Sugar, Cherry-Oak Sugar, etc When I say marketing decided ice cream, I mean: 1) marketing came up with the idea: [11:16:41] SeanDaly So, why not name SoaS versions as flavors, based on the boot logo color? [...] [11:18:38] SeanDaly caroline: I think the ice cream metaphor can really serve us 2) marketing championed it [12:30:02] SeanDaly sdziallas: OK for SoaS v1 with a flavor name? [...] [12:30:44] SeanDaly I rather like strawberry as a first one, but i don't think we have a logo that color 3) marketing called the vote: [12:34:07] SeanDaly Can we go with logo 06 Strawberry for this release? [12:34:26] SeanDaly we can disagree all summer over the next one (joke) [...] [12:35:54] mtd strawberry +1 [...] [12:36:24] caroline strawberry +1 [...] [12:36:49] sdziallas strawberry +1 from me, too ;) 4) and marketing corrected me about the etymology :) It's certainly not worth the ink I've made you spill on it but it is nice to be able to say where the buck stopped with a given decision. If you don't want it pinned on you, ok :). The key takeaway is that marketing is not something that is tacked on at the end when something is ready for release, it's part of the development process. Sure, that's why we're having this discussion, right? But, again, there's no advantage to choosing the flavor/color beyond the next one. We should together pick the v3 flavor in a few months, not as a function of the 12 logos we have, but rather the catchiest and most fun one. Ok, I'm convinced. [marketing tips] Is this clear I hope? That marketing lesson was very clear and interesting - you should teach a course! thanks Sean Martin ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
Hi all. I like blueberry, in spanish we can call it 'mora'. i like mora's juice ;). Rafael Ortiz On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: thanks Martin in fact I often worry about talking too much during the marketing meetings, others not getting a word in. I'd be delighted if nonmarketing Sugar Labs team members lurked or participated, although I have clear ideas about how to work on marketing puzzles I'll never claim to have all the answers. re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a classroom for Fedora. re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time Blueberry has been our working name for the next SoaS release since before the Strawberry release (we chose to have banners done in both red and blue logos so they would stay current longer) so I think we're all set with Blueberry? thanks Sean On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a directory...so I was hoping that you would just say yes or no - use [this one] when I asked you: Ah - so perhaps this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_05.png ...is the logo you want, not the one I mentioned in my email: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png [Hoped for:] YES - use #5 [or] NO - use #4 But the reason I'm dragging this out even further is I got: About the logo, it's the blueberriest one we will want, variant 4 Aha so it's 4...but no, wait: the one we used in the marketing materials prepared for the Strawberry launch, variant 6: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/BoothBanners ...so it's...6?! So do you want 4 (like you said first above) or 6 (like you said second above) or 5 (like you said earlier since you want it to be one of the ones from the beauty shot that clearly doesn't have 4 or 6)? No, there wasn't marketing decided, it was Tomeu who thought of flavors, myself who thought of ice cream flavors (preferably fruit since natural wholesome sugars, a fun treat for kids), and sdziallas who agreed to the idea at the marketing meeting. Tomeu suggested exactly what he suggested, which was clearly NOT flavours: Cherry-Oak is not a flavour. You and Eben were talking about colours explicitly and nobody said _anything_ about flavours: [SeanDaly] [Eben] [Tomeu] Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo color too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask what color is the Sugar logo? and match that to the version number. I actually think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. So awesome that it may solve the controversial issue of naming releases: Banana-Chocolate Sugar, Cherry-Oak Sugar, etc When I say marketing decided ice cream, I mean: 1) marketing came up with the idea: [11:16:41] SeanDaly So, why not name SoaS versions as flavors, based on the boot logo color? [...] [11:18:38] SeanDaly caroline: I think the ice cream metaphor can really serve us 2) marketing championed it [12:30:02] SeanDaly sdziallas: OK for SoaS v1 with a flavor name? [...] [12:30:44] SeanDaly I rather like strawberry as a first one, but i don't think we have a logo that color 3) marketing called the vote: [12:34:07] SeanDaly Can we go with logo 06 Strawberry for this release? [12:34:26] SeanDaly we can disagree all summer over the next one (joke) [...] [12:35:54] mtd strawberry +1 [...] [12:36:24] caroline strawberry +1 [...] [12:36:49] sdziallas strawberry +1 from me, too ;) 4) and marketing corrected me about the etymology :) It's certainly not worth the ink I've made you spill on it but it is nice to be able to say where the buck stopped with a given decision. If you don't want it pinned on you, ok :). The key takeaway is that marketing is not something that is tacked on at the end when something is ready for release, it's part of the development process. Sure, that's why we're having this discussion, right? But, again, there's no advantage to choosing the flavor/color beyond the next one. We should together pick the v3 flavor in a few months, not as a function of the 12 logos we have, but rather the catchiest and most fun one. Ok, I'm convinced. [marketing tips] Is this clear I hope? That marketing lesson was very clear and interesting - you should teach a course! thanks Sean Martin ___ Marketing mailing list market...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming
I will stay clear of whether or not we should say what to whom, but when the time comes: Cacao, native to Mexico, Central and South America, has been cultivated for at least three millennia in that region. It was used originally in Mesoamerica both as a beverage, and as an ingredient in foods. (wikipedia.org) Seems like Chocolate has got to be on our short list. Yum. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
