Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 11:23 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 20:45, Marten Vijn wrote: > > On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: > >> me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? > >> > > My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine > > needs to be setup. > > > > If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know, > > I guess we should contact the organizations (universitites, telecoms, > etc) that are already mirroring linux distros and other FOSS projects? Yes, currently on my list: - university of twente - nluug (proffessial unix user group) - xs4all.nl (ISP) These are already mirroing *BSD's / GNU-Linux's and more floss projects. cheers Marten > It may be a first contact that leads to other collaboration in the future. > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > cheers, > > Marten > > > > > > > >> David (nubae) Van Assche > >> > >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn wrote: > >> > On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: > >> >> On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: > >> >> > Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to > >> >> > discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL > >> >> > infrastructure. > >> > > >> >> Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in > >> >> Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of > >> >> the world. > >> > > >> > oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors > >> > > >> > Marten > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn > >> > http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick > >> > http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit > >> > http://har2009.org 13th-16th August > >> > http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >> > > >> ___ > >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > -- > > http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn > > http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick > > http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit > > http://har2009.org 13th-16th August > > http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August > > > > ___ > > Marketing mailing list > > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing > > -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 20:45, Marten Vijn wrote: > On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 20:35 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: >> me too, shall we take a practical approach and suggest some locations? >> > My current focus in the Netherlands, preferable in Leiden if machine > needs to be setup. > > If a have opportunities (aboard) I 'll let you know, I guess we should contact the organizations (universitites, telecoms, etc) that are already mirroring linux distros and other FOSS projects? It may be a first contact that leads to other collaboration in the future. Regards, Tomeu > cheers, > Marten > > > >> David (nubae) Van Assche >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Marten Vijn wrote: >> > On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 16:46 +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: >> >> On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: >> >> > Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to >> >> > discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL >> >> > infrastructure. >> > >> >> Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in >> >> Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of >> >> the world. >> > >> > oke, I 'll am going to look European mirrors >> > >> > Marten >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn >> > http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick >> > http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit >> > http://har2009.org 13th-16th August >> > http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August >> > >> > ___ >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > >> ___ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- > http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn > http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick > http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit > http://har2009.org 13th-16th August > http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August > > ___ > Marketing mailing list > market...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing > ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
On 05/19/09 13:51, Walter Bender wrote: > Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to > discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL > infrastructure. > > -walter > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM, David Van Assche > wrote: >> I think that there is a kind of formal technical/distribution position >> forming here. Ie... someone that would be responsible for supporting >> distribution methods of sugar (this should not be confused with QA, >> bugsquad or anything else) It just needs to be a person that can say >> all the available methods of distribution, and perhaps working on >> communication between distros and Sugar team... what do u guys think? >> Marten or I are both capable of doing this job just fine, but it kind >> of overlaps with the infrastructure team... we'd need to be sure like >> Marten says we have access to a server to set up rsync, torrent >> distribution and even our own build Service (openSUSE build service is >> totally gpl ;-) ) What should this position be called, I have no >> idea, I came up with lateral distro architect, but I have no idea if >> that is specific enough or even too generic. We already have rsync running on our main distribution site. Try: rsync rsync://download.sugarlabs.org/pub/ Mirrors are welcome to poll this daily (or even hourly) for updates. In fact, we already have one mirror running: http://download2.sugarlabs.org Unfortunately, both the main download site and the mirror are located in Boston, so they're both going to be slow for people on the other side of the world. David, if you add more mirrors, let me know and I'll add them to the DNS with ISO codes such as: it.download.sugarlabs.org jp.download.sugarlabs.org ... Would you like to keep the wiki page for downloads updated to reflect these? In the far future, we might think of refinements such as geolocating users to pair them with the best mirror, automatically exclude mirrors which have not been polling the master site for a while... As for adding a Torrent tracker, this is indeed a great idea and I just didn't get around to do it. Please, file a ticket for me so I don't forget. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [IAEP] personal marketing (bottum up approach)
Maybe we can find a time in the next few days to all meet on IRC to discuss this? CC'ng Bernie as he is most familiar with the SL infrastructure. -walter On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 7:41 AM, David Van Assche wrote: > I think that there is a kind of formal technical/distribution position > forming here. Ie... someone that would be responsible for supporting > distribution methods of sugar (this should not be confused with QA, > bugsquad or anything else) It just needs to be a person that can say > all the available methods of distribution, and perhaps working on > communication between distros and Sugar team... what do u guys think? > Marten or I are both capable of doing this job just fine, but it kind > of overlaps with the infrastructure team... we'd need to be sure like > Marten says we have access to a server to set up rsync, torrent > distribution and even our own build Service (openSUSE build service is > totally gpl ;-) ) What should this position be called, I have no > idea, I came up with lateral distro architect, but I have no idea if > that is specific enough or even too generic. > > What do u think? perhaps forming a team that me and marten can be > integrated with seams obvious for the time being. Both of us also want > to work towards centralised distribution methods that are push and not > just pull, whatever they might be. I'm forwarding this to sugar-devel > as well as this has to do with them too, and an olpc rep so that we > can make sure they know what we are doing with sugar distribution. > > kind Regards, > David (Nubae) Van Assche > > On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Marten Vijn wrote: >> Thanks David, >> >> I will go for bandwith then asking for rsync as requirement. >> A torrend would optional. >> >> Some things I would like to assure mirrors have to: >> - have directory layout >> - same names >> >> Features I would also like to have >> - having a "Last_version" symlink to the last version. >> (keep links valid over time) >> - md5sums >> - list of mirrors on the website >> - or better mirror autoselection >> >> >> Besides from getting bandwidth is there a way I can help to achieve >> this? (I guess ssh access would be needed) >> >> Kind regards, >> Marten >> >> >> On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 12:10 +0200, David Van Assche wrote: >>> One thing solution we use at openSUSE to get increcremental images, >>> ie... you have an older version of SOAS or sugar or whatever image, >>> but you want a newer one, well solution is to use rsync, but this >>> would need to be enabled by the host (ie wherever all this is being >>> hosted downloaded from [bernie, caroline?]): >>> >>> First check the latest image at: >>> >>> (This definetly works with openSUSE where sugar is completely >>> integrated, even with an icon on the desktop that takes you straight >>> into sugar from the desktop. The address for either SugarSuse or >>> openSUSE-edu is here: >>> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Education/images/iso/ ) >>> >>> The Soas images (snapshots, ie latests sugar) are here as far as I can >>> tell: http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/ >>> >>> Copy old image with exactly same name as new image available: >>> >>> cp oldimage.iso exact-name-new-image-is.iso >>> >>> Run rsync again to patch it: >>> >>> rsync -avP >>> rsync://mirror.leaseweb.com/opensuse/repositories/Education/images/iso/exact-name-new-image-is.iso >>> . >>> >>> Dot at the end with space before it is part of the command. >>> >>> This will download only the bytes that have changed, which in some >>> cases is just few MBs, saving few GBs of download. >>> >>> Obviously p2p is another good solution to get initial images going if >>> a couple of people choose to upload to linuxtracker.org or >>> something... >>> >>> kind Regards, >>> David (Nubae) Van Assche >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Marten Vijn wrote: >>> > Dear All, >>> > >>> > In the last 24 hours I talked to 12 persons about Sugar. >>> > >>> > - 6 persons have downloaded sugar and said to give feedback on Sugar >>> > >>> > - I have send a request for testing to i-netw...@dgroups.org. >>> > This is one the main mailinglistings in Africa. >>> > >>> > My findings so far: >>> > 1. Asking people to help works. I ask can you help me. Can you download >>> > an iso, burn it to cd, boot it, and give you opinion an email? >>> > This is very effective in shifting from "talking about" to "doing". >>> > >>> > 2. The download seems to be slow. >>> > >>> > Possible sollution, shall I ask for bandwith to mirror the iso image? >>> > Can someone make familiar with an optimal solution >>> > (syncing/redirecting). >>> > >>> > kind regards, >>> > Marten >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn >>> > http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick >>> > http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit >>> > http://har2009.org 13th-16th August >>>
