Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[James Cameron]

Thanks.

There were no resistance factors, but there were people leaving Sugar
Labs [1] resulting us jointly and severally not keeping our workspace
clean.

I've no idea if backups are happening, but the other system
administrators probably can answer that.  I doubt they'll see the
question given the thread is cleaning up old files.

References:

1.  Code of Conduct, Step down considerately

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Legal/Code_of_Conduct#Step_down_considerately
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md#step-down-considerately

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Dave Crossland]

The benefits of keeping old data around that  you currently see no use for,
is that in the future you may want to use the data for some purpose, after
all. And data storage is cheap.

That being said, I have no objection to deleting them. I'm not sure anyone
would notice if they just go. If someone on this list has a backup
somewhere, if someone needs access to them, they can ask here.

Are backups happening incrementally?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Anmol Mishra]

If the factors are now tackled then it can be taken one step forward and
it's a good option.

On Sat, 8 Dec, 2018, 21:06 Alex Perez  Assuming there _was_ a resistance factor is probably not a good idea :)
> I'm not really sure why it matters, even if there was one, either.
>
> Anmol Mishra 
> December 8, 2018 at 6:15 AM
> I would like to ask If these images are from 2010-2012, why weren't they
> deleted earlier?
> I'm asking this to get the resistance factors that were imposed earlier on
> deletion in maybe 2016-current.
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> James Cameron 
> December 7, 2018 at 9:02 PM
> Yes.
>
> Harms are misdirection of users and filesystem size.
>
> Further subdividing;
>
> - on the misdirection, the images have bugs that have been fixed, such
> as since mitigated zero-day vulnerabilities.
>
> - on the size, they increased time cost of backups or filesystem
> maintenance on the servers.
>
> What are the gains in keeping these files?
>
> Dave Crossland 
> December 7, 2018 at 6:53 PM
> I don't see the harm in leaving old stuff lying around if the disk has
> plenty of room. Surely there's more important things to do  :)
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> December 7, 2018 at 6:51 PM
> 61%
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> Dave Crossland 
> December 7, 2018 at 6:39 PM
> What % of the server disk space is used?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Alex Perez]

Assuming there _was_ a resistance factor is probably not a good idea :) 
I'm not really sure why it matters, even if there was one, either.



Anmol Mishra 
December 8, 2018 at 6:15 AM
I would like to ask If these images are from 2010-2012, why weren't 
they deleted earlier?
I'm asking this to get the resistance factors that were imposed 
earlier on deletion in maybe 2016-current.


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James Cameron 
December 7, 2018 at 9:02 PM
Yes.

Harms are misdirection of users and filesystem size.

Further subdividing;

- on the misdirection, the images have bugs that have been fixed, such
as since mitigated zero-day vulnerabilities.

- on the size, they increased time cost of backups or filesystem
maintenance on the servers.

What are the gains in keeping these files?

Dave Crossland 
December 7, 2018 at 6:53 PM
I don't see the harm in leaving old stuff lying around if the disk has 
plenty of room. Surely there's more important things to do  :)

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December 7, 2018 at 6:51 PM
61%

Dave Crossland 
December 7, 2018 at 6:39 PM
What % of the server disk space is used?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Anmol Mishra]

I would like to ask If these images are from 2010-2012, why weren't they
deleted earlier?
I'm asking this to get the resistance factors that were imposed earlier on
deletion in maybe 2016-current.

On Sat, 8 Dec, 2018, 10:33 James Cameron  Yes.
>
> Harms are misdirection of users and filesystem size.
>
> Further subdividing;
>
> - on the misdirection, the images have bugs that have been fixed, such
>   as since mitigated zero-day vulnerabilities.
>
> - on the size, they increased time cost of backups or filesystem
>   maintenance on the servers.
>
> What are the gains in keeping these files?
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Bernie Innocenti]

On 08/12/2018 10.35, James Cameron wrote:

Several very old files are on the Sugar Labs download server; perhaps
they should be removed; discuss?

1.  the Dextrose fork, based on Fedora 11,

sunjammer:/upload/dextrose (71 GB)
http://download.sugarlabs.org/dextrose/


+1 to deleting the images, but maybe leave dextrose/patches/ for 
historical reference? Some XOs in the field might be still running those 
ancient images, and some of those patches were never accepted upstream.




2.  a reference build for XO-1 and XO-1.5 laptops from November 2012,

http://download.sugarlabs.org/images/reference-xo/

3.  DVD snapshots of activities.sugarlabs.org

http://download.sugarlabs.org/images/

4.  a Sugar Creation Kit from 2011,

http://download.sugarlabs.org/images/ (11 GB)



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Rahul Bothra]

G'day.

I agree that they should be removed.

On Sat, Dec 8, 2018, 10:33 AM James Cameron  Harms are misdirection of users and filesystem size.

Any backlinks to these images (maybe on our wiki) will also have to be
updated / removed.

Thanks
Rahul Bothra
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[James Cameron]

Yes.

Harms are misdirection of users and filesystem size.

Further subdividing;

- on the misdirection, the images have bugs that have been fixed, such
  as since mitigated zero-day vulnerabilities.

- on the size, they increased time cost of backups or filesystem
  maintenance on the servers.

What are the gains in keeping these files?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Dave Crossland]

I don't see the harm in leaving old stuff lying around if the disk has
plenty of room. Surely there's more important things to do  :)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[James Cameron]

61%

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] Tidying up; images from 2010 to 2012

[Dave Crossland]

What % of the server disk space is used?
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