Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-13 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 20:29, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Albert Cahalan
S Page writes: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Daniel Drakedsd at laptop.org wrote: adding an interactivity component that would be impossible to have when working with paper-based exercise books. And impossible with PDFs. No way. PDFs can be interactive in many ways. First of all, a PDF

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 07:22 -0400, Albert Cahalan escribió: Finally, you can put JavaScript in a PDF. I'm not sure if any of the free software viewers can handle this yet. In theory you can have all sorts of animations. It's kind of like flash. Yes, and it's kind of like SVG, too. And

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Lucian Branescu
Adobe apparently loves vectors. JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not something to be relied upon. Forms are about as much interaction as PDF get without becoming dangerous or moot. 2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 07:22

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió: Adobe apparently loves vectors. And monopolies. JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not something to be relied upon. It might be useless, but I don't see why it should be more risky than Javascript

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Lucian Branescu
2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió: Adobe apparently loves vectors. And monopolies. That too :) But really, they're obsessed with vectors. JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 15:16 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió: In any case, PDF is a good presentation format. Why make it significantly more complex for small-to-none improvements to its main purpose? Agreed. And, btw, as people are gradually loosing the habit of printing on paper, document

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Bernie Innocentiber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 15:16 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió: In any case, PDF is a good presentation format. Why make it significantly more complex for small-to-none improvements to its main purpose? Agreed. And,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Albert, On 12 Aug 2009, at 12:22, Albert Cahalan wrote: S Page writes: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Daniel Drakedsd at laptop.org wrote: adding an interactivity component that would be impossible to have when working with paper-based exercise books. And impossible with PDFs.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 09:52 -0500, Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero escribió: I think few people will care about PDF 10 years from now -- maybe just 5 years from now. With or without Javascript ;-). i wish i was so optimistic but in some parts of the world the time frame for this change

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió: JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security risk. It's not something to be relied upon.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-12 Thread Lucian Branescu
2009/8/12 Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: El Wed, 12-08-2009 a las 13:28 +0100, Lucian Branescu escribió: JavaScript-in-PDF is mostly a joke and a big security

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, some thoughts follow. Please keep in mind that these are just my personal opinions and that not everybody at Sugar Labs share the same idea of what SLs is or should be. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 19:41, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Hi, In response to the thread I started recently about

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Daniel., excellent post - skipping to the let's make it deployable part, I have to say I agree with all you say. - Some comments below On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Secondly, this just won't work for deployments in general. Deployments are really

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-10 Thread David Farning
FWIW, It sounds like you both are pretty much in sync and are providing two much needed voices. The challenge that you both are clearly articulating is that of seemingly unlimited needs and limited resources. The only thing I would like to add is, Please note the tone of this discussion with

[Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi, In response to the thread I started recently about feedback from deployments, I've been thinking a lot about specific changes/features that would be a big help for deployments. And even though it only takes 10 minutes in a classroom to see some real potential areas for improvement, actually

Re: [Sugar-devel] Deployment feedback braindump

2009-08-09 Thread S Page
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Sugar currently doesn't even have support for the library bundle technology which was adopted by various sugar deployments, as it doesn't have a way of accessing the index.html pages short of typing in the file path in Browse.