Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Hi Gary--I think this looks quite nice. This actually seems like a nice evolution on the simple ring, though it would be good to see how it adapts from the basic layout and with different numbers of activities... Christian On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Gary Martin wrote: > Hi Christian, > > O

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Frederick Grose
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt < christianm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Starring activites in the journal to appear in Home makes sense. And > the spiral as overflow for the ring, if executed well, seems like a > good idea in order to preserve the general UI metaphor. We should

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Walter Bender wrote: > (3) even with the above resolved, we have arguably too little control > over the home view, both in terns of what appears -- several requests > have been made for the ability to have views of multiple collections: > e.g., school view, home vie

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Starring activites in the journal to appear in Home makes sense. And the spiral as overflow for the ring, if executed well, seems like a good idea in order to preserve the general UI metaphor. We should test a range of different variations to end up with a design that is both efficient and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Gary Martin wrote: > Hi Walter, > > On 3 Aug 2010, at 11:39, Walter Bender wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:39, Martin Dengler >>> wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32:34PM -0400, Walter Bender wr

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Walter, On 3 Aug 2010, at 11:39, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:39, Martin Dengler >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32:34PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:45 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:39, Martin Dengler wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32:34PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball wrote: >>> > Hi Christian, >>> > >>> >   > Hi Chris--to address scalability

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:39, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32:34PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball wrote: >> > Hi Christian, >> > >> >   > Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which >> >   > you can select favor

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-03 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32:34PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > > Hi Christian, > > > >   > Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which > >   > you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a > >   > similar

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-02 Thread Frederick Grose
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Paul Fox wrote: > sameer wrote: > > > > This reminds me of something tangential...when the home view gets > > crowded like this, will the search feature help in locating an > > activity? Does the mechanism exist? > > i seem to recall that this mechanism does e

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-02 Thread Paul Fox
sameer wrote: > > This reminds me of something tangential...when the home view gets > crowded like this, will the search feature help in locating an > activity? Does the mechanism exist? i seem to recall that this mechanism does exist, but has been disabled. the issue was that if you unknowi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread Frederick Grose
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Frederick Grose wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Walter Bender > > wrote: >> >> {...} >> There is an orthogonal question, > >> which is if we let the icons move (as with the new spiral and the o

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Frederick Grose wrote: > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> >> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt >> wrote: >> > Again, I think that there is likely a better solution to the question of >> > scalability. An extensible (

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: Any pattern will eventually run out of space. A space-filling curve (Peano curve) might be interesting. There is an orthogonal question, It's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread Frederick Grose
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt > wrote: > > Again, I think that there is likely a better solution to the question of > > scalability. An extensible (scrolling or panning) grid or freeform view > > showing activity pr

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt > wrote: > Any pattern will eventually run out of space. A space-filling curve > (Peano curve) might be interesting. There is an orthogonal question, It's not strictly true that any pa

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: > Again, I think that there is likely a better solution to the question of > scalability. An extensible (scrolling or panning) grid or freeform view > showing activity previews would not only convey more information about the > last ac

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-08-01 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Again, I think that there is likely a better solution to the question of scalability. An extensible (scrolling or panning) grid or freeform view showing activity previews would not only convey more information about the last activity, it would also make the home view feel more personalized. For sca

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-31 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 30.07.2010, at 20:25, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Christian, > >> Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which >> you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a >> similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. > > I don't think this is working out. Yep

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-31 Thread Walter Bender
I have a version which will let you reposition the icons (haven't added swap yet) but I am not sure how best to reset the layout. We could have a separate icon on the Home View secondary palette that will reset the spiral to an initial state. Any other ideas? -walter On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:40

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-31 Thread Walter Bender
I am heading off to vacation for a week, but I may get a chance to play with moving/snapping the icons as well. In the meantime, the code is quite simple: --- favoriteslayout.py 2010-07-20 13:31:05.0 -0400 +++ favoriteslayout.py 2010-07-30 23:26:56.0 -0400 + +class MyLayout(Ring

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-31 Thread Walter Bender
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Frederick Grose wrote: > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball wrote: >> >> >> >> {...} >> >> >> >> Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running in the >> Sugar emulator at 8

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Frederick Grose
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > {...} > Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running in the > Sugar emulator at 800x600). Running the emulator with usr/bin/sugar-emulator -i 832x624 give a close

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Walter, > >   > Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running >   > in the Sugar emulator at 800x600). I'll upload a version running >   > on the XO soon as I get a chance. >   > >   > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/f0/S

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Walter, > Here is a tighter spiral of 74 icons for the home view (running > in the Sugar emulator at 800x600). I'll upload a version running > on the XO soon as I get a chance. > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/f/f0/Spiral-home-view.png Looks great! The tight spiral looks si

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Walter Bender
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi Christian, > >   > Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which >   > you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a >   > similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. > > I don't think this is wor

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Christian, > Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which > you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a > similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. I don't think this is working out. For OLPC (and perhaps SoaS as well?) we're shippin

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Hi Chris--to address scalability we have a list view from which you can select favorite activities to go in the ring. This is a similar technique to the OSX dock or Windows taskbar. But you raise a good point. I've always thought that there may be an opportunity for a scalable grid view, not unlik

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Christian, > I do think that there are opportunities for different views, but > would love to first figure out collectively what the functional > differences/affordances are that we are designing for... The functional difference I'm interested in is supporting more activities; the rin

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Could Activities be grouped as open-able folders(Icons with popup labels), which open with a click per the classification used by ASLO? http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/ ie: *Search & Discovery *Documents *News *Chat, mail and talk ..etc ..etc Thus open-able folders (Icons)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-30 Thread Christian Marc Schmidt
Thanks for forwarding this Gary. My feeling is that the views in home should be motivated by functional differences, for example ring vs. freeform (one allows positioning, the other positions elements linearly). To me, triangle, square, and spiral seem a little to obscure to be in the core build--w

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-29 Thread Gary Martin
On 30 Jul 2010, at 02:00, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:57:35PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >>> See http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/ModifyingSugar (towards the >>> bottom of the page). > >> +1 on the spiral. > > I like it too. I'm worried that it would scale badly,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-29 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:57:35PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> See http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/ModifyingSugar (towards the >> bottom of the page). > +1 on the spiral. I like it too. I'm worried that it would scale badly, but Walter suggested just tightening the spiral,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-29 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:57:35PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > See http://en.flossmanuals.net/Sugar/ModifyingSugar (towards the > bottom of the page). +1 on the spiral. Also, that page suggests vi, but current builds include gedit which is much easier. The files have also moved. sudo gedit /u

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-29 Thread Gary Martin
On 29 Jul 2010, at 20:45, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > At the moment Sugar's enabling the freeform and circle layouts, but > the code (jarabe/desktop/favoritesview.py) also defines (and then > comments out) triangle, box and sunflower layouts. The circle > algorithm isn't scaling well as we inst

Re: [Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > > At the moment Sugar's enabling the freeform and circle layouts, but > the code (jarabe/desktop/favoritesview.py) also defines (and then > comments out) triangle, box and sunflower layouts.  The circle > algorithm isn't scaling well as we

[Sugar-devel] Home view activities layout

2010-07-29 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, At the moment Sugar's enabling the freeform and circle layouts, but the code (jarabe/desktop/favoritesview.py) also defines (and then comments out) triangle, box and sunflower layouts. The circle algorithm isn't scaling well as we install more and more activities. Any suggestions on an algor