Re: [Sugar-devel] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)

2011-11-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 23:21 +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:
 That patch was posted on @dx mailing list and is under review.
 
 https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1041/

Could someone please post a screenshot of the proxy control panel?

Also, has anyone considered merging this with the Network control panel?
If we don't contain the growth, we'll soon have more control panel items
than Vista (-:

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)

2011-11-29 Thread Anish Mangal
On Wed 30 Nov 2011 01:29:07 AM IST, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 23:21 +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:
 That patch was posted on @dx mailing list and is under review.

 https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1041/

 Could someone please post a screenshot of the proxy control panel?

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Proxy_Settings#UI_Design


 Also, has anyone considered merging this with the Network control panel?
 If we don't contain the growth, we'll soon have more control panel items
 than Vista (-:




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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)

2011-11-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 02:59:07PM -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 23:21 +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:
  That patch was posted on @dx mailing list and is under review.
  
  https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1041/
 
 Could someone please post a screenshot of the proxy control panel?

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Proxy_Settings#UI_Design

 Also, has anyone considered merging this with the Network control panel?
 If we don't contain the growth, we'll soon have more control panel items
 than Vista (-:

My points to not doing that from beginning, were:

* it is sepparate dialog in Gnome-2 (dunno about Gnome-3) and Firefox
* we don't have tabs in CP components and having all Network related
  stuff in one CP component will make it huge
* we already have separate CP components for Network and Modem

In any case, this is the exact question to people who are skilled in
GUI usability field, not to developers.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)

2011-11-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Aleksey Lim
alsr...@activitycentral.org wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 02:59:07PM -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 23:21 +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:
  That patch was posted on @dx mailing list and is under review.
 
  https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1041/

 Could someone please post a screenshot of the proxy control panel?

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Proxy_Settings#UI_Design

 Also, has anyone considered merging this with the Network control panel?
 If we don't contain the growth, we'll soon have more control panel items
 than Vista (-:

 My points to not doing that from beginning, were:

 * it is sepparate dialog in Gnome-2 (dunno about Gnome-3) and Firefox

Its a separate tab in the Network dialog

 * we don't have tabs in CP components and having all Network related
  stuff in one CP component will make it huge

It would be too big without tabs.

 * we already have separate CP components for Network and Modem

If we had tabs I would suggest merging them all but we don't so I
think they're best separate for the time being.

 In any case, this is the exact question to people who are skilled in
 GUI usability field, not to developers.

I would put the automatic config option above the manual option.

Peter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)

2011-11-29 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 08:26:46PM +, Peter Robinson wrote:
 On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Aleksey Lim
 alsr...@activitycentral.org wrote:
  On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 02:59:07PM -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
  On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 23:21 +0530, Anish Mangal wrote:
   That patch was posted on @dx mailing list and is under review.
  
   https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1041/
 
  Could someone please post a screenshot of the proxy control panel?
 
  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Proxy_Settings#UI_Design
 
  Also, has anyone considered merging this with the Network control panel?
  If we don't contain the growth, we'll soon have more control panel items
  than Vista (-:
 
  My points to not doing that from beginning, were:
 
  * it is sepparate dialog in Gnome-2 (dunno about Gnome-3) and Firefox
 
 Its a separate tab in the Network dialog
 
  * we don't have tabs in CP components and having all Network related
   stuff in one CP component will make it huge
 
 It would be too big without tabs.
 
  * we already have separate CP components for Network and Modem
 
 If we had tabs I would suggest merging them all but we don't so I
 think they're best separate for the time being.
 
  In any case, this is the exact question to people who are skilled in
  GUI usability field, not to developers.
 
 I would put the automatic config option above the manual option.

It was implemented that way, because it exactly mimics the Proxy
settings dialog in Gnome/Mozilla. Not sure if it makes sense to invent
new usage workflow for people who will use it.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)

2011-11-29 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 20:14 +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
 My points to not doing that from beginning, were:
 
 * it is sepparate dialog in Gnome-2 (dunno about Gnome-3) and Firefox

Agreed.

 * we don't have tabs in CP components and having all Network related
   stuff in one CP component will make it huge

After seeing the screenshot, I realized that there was way too much
stuff to merge it into the Network control panel.


 * we already have separate CP components for Network and Modem

This always felt a little awkward to me.

If someone had the time to work on UI cleanups, I'd prefer to see both
the Network and Modem control panels be replaced by options directly
associated with the objects they manipulate:

 - a radio-off checkbox in the popup menu of the wifi device

 - a settings dialog that pops up the first time you try to connect
   to a 3G network, like the WEP/WPA password dialog

 - a new icon in the network view representing the schoolserver.


 In any case, this is the exact question to people who are skilled in
 GUI usability field, not to developers.

Agreed, but the two groups overlap at least in part and sugar-devel is
the forum where they come together.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proxy Control Panel (Was: New Dextrose-3...)

2011-11-29 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-11-29 at 20:14 +, Aleksey Lim wrote:
 My points to not doing that from beginning, were:

 * it is sepparate dialog in Gnome-2 (dunno about Gnome-3) and Firefox

 Agreed.

 * we don't have tabs in CP components and having all Network related
   stuff in one CP component will make it huge

 After seeing the screenshot, I realized that there was way too much
 stuff to merge it into the Network control panel.


 * we already have separate CP components for Network and Modem

 This always felt a little awkward to me.

 If someone had the time to work on UI cleanups, I'd prefer to see both
 the Network and Modem control panels be replaced by options directly
 associated with the objects they manipulate:

  - a radio-off checkbox in the popup menu of the wifi device


While we are at it, I think a radio button is a better choice for
radio on/off instead of the check box. I have a hard time remembering
what happens when you check the box :-)

Sameer

  - a settings dialog that pops up the first time you try to connect
   to a 3G network, like the WEP/WPA password dialog

  - a new icon in the network view representing the schoolserver.


 In any case, this is the exact question to people who are skilled in
 GUI usability field, not to developers.

 Agreed, but the two groups overlap at least in part and sugar-devel is
 the forum where they come together.

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