Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-11 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 11 November 2013 05:10, David Farning wrote: > My experience has been that "educational software politics and > policies" have been been the dominate influence within Sugar Labs. If > this is the role that Sugar Labs wants to maintain that is fine, as > long as they open the door to other organ

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-11 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
> > Both approaches have challenges. If Sugar Labs is willing to assume > responsibility for quality education software, they will have to adopt > a culture and processes which encourage feedback (even negative > feedback) and ways to implement solutions to that feedback. We already have it. > >

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
>Looks better, but still, no Harry Potter... > If you want to go down that road, may I suggest to look for J. K. Rowling instead?... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread David Farning
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: >> >> Does anyone else want to add their thoughts on: >> > > These are all good for now but without the "safety" of the 2-3 million > default users, SL can not just be the "upstream". There are some more > fundamental questions now t

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
> Dude, only 2 commits by me? No way! :P > I think grepping by Signed-off-by is not quite accurate, we have not been using it in the last six months or so. But I'm just nitpicking, your point stands. Buuh, it's your fault for not signing ! :) Using Author: sugar-toolkit-gtk3]$ git log --since="

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 10 November 2013 23:50, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > In all this speculations I don't see _how_ SugarLabs should get the > resources > to implement these ideas. How many people do you think is working right > now? > If I understood correctly Yioryos was suggesting the Android application price wou

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 10 November 2013 21:03, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > > > > >Thanks for clarifying. IMO we should not rewrite Sugar and activities > using the Android SDK > > > > > >- While Android is nominally free software for it's licence, it seems the > current development practices (like code drops) give

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
>>- We should keep supporting existing deployments, this would duplicate the >>work completely. > > Post .094 Sugar can hardly run in 75% of its installed base (XO-1s), so we do > not really support the majority of existing deployments. > I am pretty sure this can be solved. See the thread about

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
> >Thanks for clarifying. IMO we should not rewrite Sugar and activities using >the Android SDK > > >- While Android is nominally free software for it's licence, it seems the >current development practices (like code drops) gives Google too much control >on the project direction. I don't want t

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Thanks for clarifying. IMO we should not rewrite Sugar and activities using the Android SDK - While Android is nominally free software for it's licence, it seems the current development practices (like code drops) gives Google too much control on the project direction. I don't want to be locked in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
ooops   >> What do you mean with utilizing sugar shell etc? It seems like that's > either porting the GNOME platform to make the current implementation work, or > rewriting them using the Android SDK. >> > > Probably another technically inaccurate term. I mean  re-writing  >but keeping the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Daniel Narvaez
What do you mean with utilizing sugar shell etc? It seems like that's either porting the GNOME platform to make the current implementation work, or rewriting them using the Android SDK. On Sunday, 10 November 2013, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: > > > >very nice analysis, thanks a lot. Let me focus

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
>very nice analysis, thanks a lot. Let me focus on a couple of points > > >- Sell for 1.99$. I feel that building business around Sugar might be >essential for its survival. And I like the idea, it seems like it might even  >work! (I have no clue about business, mind you :P). >Though I'm not sur

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Hi, very nice analysis, thanks a lot. Let me focus on a couple of points - Sell for 1.99$. I feel that building business around Sugar might be essential for its survival. And I like the idea, it seems like it might even work! (I have no clue about business, mind you :P). Though I'm not sure this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Labs Roadmap. [SD 61;79]

2013-11-10 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
> > Does anyone else want to add their thoughts on: >  These are all good for now but without the "safety" of the 2-3 million default users, SL can not just be the "upstream". There are some more fundamental questions now that we need to compete in the "open market". In a nutshell, whom do we