Re: [Sugar-devel] What operating system should I put on the donated computers for SoaS at the GPA
Our short term goal is to on Monday prep 5-10 computer to put into the GPA classrooms on Weds. So we don't need super simple or something we never have to upgrade, we will have lots of access to these computers. Also we don't need computers to be both boot-helpers and have a Guest Sugar system on them. They can be one or the other. This week is about what we can do this week. Hopefully this experience will lead us to a super simple installation that we can use for donated computers and put it into kids homes without having to worry about how we will upgrade them. Thanks! Caroline On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Anurag a CS student at BU, my husband, a CS grad from MIT and I, a techie never give upper, are going to be working on Monday to take the pile of computers in my house and prepare them for installing in the GPA school on Weds. We will be wiping all the hard disks and putting on something else. Can I put install some version of the boothelper on the hard drive so when it boots off of the hard drive it automatically looks for a USB? Probably yes, See below for more. I think this would be preferred especially for older computers that don't let us set the bios for USB boot preference. Perhaps with newer computers we should install Sugar locally and make it the Room 33 user so that guests can get access with out a stick. Thoughts? help? A boot menu could allow this. Will require at least some config file investigation/changes. Also, I understand the the current beta for SoaS 2 has a method to install to a hard drive and it would be best to remain compatible with that. Unfortunately, I know nothing about how it works. Got a good answer? Put it here for future deployments: https://answers.launchpad.net/soas/+question/81627 We will also use this for tracking what I do and documenting results. The floppy boot helper (using kexec-loader) that I've been working on with you does the initial boot via syslinux. Respinning it to boot from a hard drive is therefore theoretically easy as syslinux can be used on hard drivers as well as floppies. However, how to create an easy to use UI to get it installed to the hard drive isn't immediately obvious to me. Alternatively, the current CD helper uses isolinux for it's initial boot which is part of the same suite of programs as syslinux. Syslinux can used more or less as a drop in replacement for isolinux. Therefore the CD helper method could also be theoretically respun, but with identical install issues as the floppy helper. Bill Bogstad Technical notes: A fundamental difference between the CD helper and the Floppy helper is that the CD helper actually contains the SoaS kernel and ramdisk and only points to the Flash drive to get the root and /home filesystems. The floppy helper actually reads the SoaS kernel/ramdisk off of the USB stick at boot time. As a result, I believe that the floppy helper is less likely to need to be respun for new releases of SoaS. OTOH, the floppy helper makes no use of the BIOS to read/find the SoaS and if the floppy helper doesn't have a driver for hardware you want to boot from the BIOS doesn't help. -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] What operating system should I put on the donated computers for SoaS at the GPA
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Our short term goal is to on Monday prep 5-10 computer to put into the GPA classrooms on Weds. So we don't need super simple or something we never have to upgrade, we will have lots of access to these computers. Also we don't need computers to be both boot-helpers and have a Guest Sugar system on them. They can be one or the other. This week is about what we can do this week. Hopefully this experience will lead us to a super simple installation that we can use for donated computers and put it into kids homes without having to worry about how we will upgrade them. I can probably find a way to generate and install a hard disk boot helper for SoaS by Monday. Whether it is based on the current CD or floppy helper will depend on on which is easier to do. I know nothing about guest Sugar systems and wouldn't even attempt to meet that kind of deadline. Bill Bogstad ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] What operating system should I put on the donated computers for SoaS at the GPA
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Pilar Saenzmapis...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Caroline Actually, we install sugar on fedora 11 and customized it to use sugar session and to have the same soas Bootloader. We has testes this process on several kind of desktop and on classmate 2. Rafael Ortiz has write some notes about the process, all in spanish, http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_con_fedora11_sobre_un_desktop My Spanish is lousy, but it looks to me like you: 1. Install Fedora 11 with it's standard Sugar packages 2. Add some XO inspired boot animations 3. Setup GDM to automatically login a single local user 4. Install a local activity bundle The result would appear to be a machine which is dedicated for use as a Sugar machine for a single default user. The journal will be on the local hard drive. People who want to switch from machine to machine will have to copy things from the journal to some portable media (maybe USB stick). Is that a fair summary? Bill Bogstad ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] What operating system should I put on the donated computers for SoaS at the GPA
Hi Caroline Actually, we install sugar on fedora 11 and customized it to use sugar session and to have the same soas Bootloader. We has testes this process on several kind of desktop and on classmate 2. Rafael Ortiz has write some notes about the process, all in spanish, http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_con_fedora11_sobre_un_desktop http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_con_fedora11_sobre_el_classmate Best regards, 2009/9/1 Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Caroline Meekscarol...@solutiongrove.com wrote: Our short term goal is to on Monday prep 5-10 computer to put into the GPA classrooms on Weds. So we don't need super simple or something we never have to upgrade, we will have lots of access to these computers. Also we don't need computers to be both boot-helpers and have a Guest Sugar system on them. They can be one or the other. This week is about what we can do this week. Hopefully this experience will lead us to a super simple installation that we can use for donated computers and put it into kids homes without having to worry about how we will upgrade them. I can probably find a way to generate and install a hard disk boot helper for SoaS by Monday. Whether it is based on the current CD or floppy helper will depend on on which is easier to do. I know nothing about guest Sugar systems and wouldn't even attempt to meet that kind of deadline. Bill Bogstad ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- María del Pilar Sáenz Fundación Sugar Labs Colombia http://co.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] What operating system should I put on the donated computers for SoaS at the GPA
Hi Bill 2009/9/1 Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Pilar Saenzmapis...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Caroline Actually, we install sugar on fedora 11 and customized it to use sugar session and to have the same soas Bootloader. We has testes this process on several kind of desktop and on classmate 2. Rafael Ortiz has write some notes about the process, all in spanish, http://co.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_con_fedora11_sobre_un_desktop My Spanish is lousy, but it looks to me like you: 1. Install Fedora 11 with it's standard Sugar packages 2. Add some XO inspired boot animations 3. Setup GDM to automatically login a single local user 4. Install a local activity bundle The result would appear to be a machine which is dedicated for use as a Sugar machine for a single default user. The journal will be on the local hard drive. People who want to switch from machine to machine will have to copy things from the journal to some portable media (maybe USB stick). Is that a fair summary? Yes, it is. It could be useful if you need to have sugar locally for a user without stick Bill Bogstad -- María del Pilar Sáenz ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
