Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

>
>> If Community wants to support the Sugar Design Marathon to upgrade it I
>> volunteer to help you lead the effort. I think we should start working on a
>> formal proposal to present to SLOBs asap.
>>
>> Main objective proposed would be:
>>
>> - To define in a collaborative way the adoption of a new main icon for
>> Sugar interface according to Sugar Labs acceptable License Policy
>> .
>>
>> Specific tasks needed to do:
>> - Debug all learning and marketing materials
>> - Add yours here..
>>
>> Calendar proposed would be:
>> Oct 1-15 2017
>>
>> Please confirm/unconfirm your interes and/or suggest changes to my
>> proposal.
>>
>
> Again, as both a member of the oversight committee and the design team, I
> urge you to engage the design team instead of taking more unilateral
> actions.
>


Walter,

Please take more care in your communications. I have added on Gary and
Manuel to the conversation. I hope they as Design team get inspired and
inspire others to join.

Your personal attachments to the empty child old logo are for you to deal
with, not Sugar Labs.

Regards

Laura





>
>> Regards
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>

>
>
>
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> Walter Bender
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> 
>



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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Martin Abente]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Laura Vargas 
wrote:

>
> 2017-09-14 8:52 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero :
>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:32 AM Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2017-09-14 7:23 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>>


 On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Laura Vargas 
 wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-14 7:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>
>>> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what
>>> the discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. 
>>> But
>>> as walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the 
>>> logo
>>> is still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we 
>>> want
>>> to make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian 
>>> is
>>> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a 
>>> new
>>> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>>>
>>> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to
>>> marketing, our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just 
>>> OLPC
>>> by doing that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>>>
>>> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
>>> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design 
>>> open
>>> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
>>> acceptable.
>>>
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.
>>
>> If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you
>> must explain your reasons. For me it is.
>>
>> Very similar to Gnome logo
>>
>
> I was chating here with my Gnome friends and we have come to a tag
> line:
>
> "To jump in one foot you must firts learn to stand up in two"
>
> She loved it!
>
>
>> As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?
>>
>> Sugar Marathon Design??
>>
>> We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members
>> for our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how 
>> Sugar
>> Labs logo came alive.
>>
>
> Am all for open dynamics still I prefer collaborative dynamics rather
> than competitive ones.
>
> A Sugar Design Marathon can be done if it is the Board will, by asking
> all community members to synchronize for ~15 intensive days with a design
> team from active volunteers and contributors.
>
> I look forward to see Community working together productively.
>
> What do you think?
>

 I think that (1) we should resolve the status of the XO icon before
 rushing into anything and (2) it would seem that the role of SLOB would be
 to ask the design team to do its job, not to do it for them.


>>> No offense Walter but I was asking Samson not you.
>>>
>>
>> What a childish and unpolite response.
>>
>
> ...
>
> Samuel,
>
> You are totally entitled your opinion.
>
>

If everyone would start acting like you and Sebastian are doing now, this
community would be severely damaged.

You are setting a terrible precedent, and this has to stop.


>
> Samson,
>
> *Now that the feet are Sugar interface main icon the legal thing is
> resolved.*
>

>
> If Community wants to support the Sugar Design Marathon to upgrade it I
> volunteer to help you lead the effort. I think we should start working on a
> formal proposal to present to SLOBs asap.
>
> Main objective proposed would be:
>
> - To define in a collaborative way the adoption of a new main icon for
> Sugar interface according to Sugar Labs acceptable License Policy
> .
>
> Specific tasks needed to do:
> - Debug all learning and marketing materials
> - Add yours here..
>
> Calendar proposed would be:
> Oct 1-15 2017
>
> Please confirm/unconfirm your interes and/or suggest changes to my
> proposal.
>
> Regards
>
> Laura
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Laura Vargas 
wrote:

>
> 2017-09-14 8:52 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero :
>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:32 AM Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2017-09-14 7:23 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>>


 On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Laura Vargas 
 wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-14 7:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>
>>> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what
>>> the discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. 
>>> But
>>> as walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the 
>>> logo
>>> is still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we 
>>> want
>>> to make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian 
>>> is
>>> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a 
>>> new
>>> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>>>
>>> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to
>>> marketing, our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just 
>>> OLPC
>>> by doing that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>>>
>>> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
>>> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design 
>>> open
>>> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
>>> acceptable.
>>>
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.
>>
>> If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you
>> must explain your reasons. For me it is.
>>
>> Very similar to Gnome logo
>>
>
> I was chating here with my Gnome friends and we have come to a tag
> line:
>
> "To jump in one foot you must firts learn to stand up in two"
>
> She loved it!
>
>
>> As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?
>>
>> Sugar Marathon Design??
>>
>> We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members
>> for our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how 
>> Sugar
>> Labs logo came alive.
>>
>
> Am all for open dynamics still I prefer collaborative dynamics rather
> than competitive ones.
>
> A Sugar Design Marathon can be done if it is the Board will, by asking
> all community members to synchronize for ~15 intensive days with a design
> team from active volunteers and contributors.
>
> I look forward to see Community working together productively.
>
> What do you think?
>

 I think that (1) we should resolve the status of the XO icon before
 rushing into anything and (2) it would seem that the role of SLOB would be
 to ask the design team to do its job, not to do it for them.


>>> No offense Walter but I was asking Samson not you.
>>>
>>
>> What a childish and unpolite response.
>>
>
> ...
>
> Samuel,
>
> You are totally entitled your opinion.
>
>
> Samson,
>
> *Now that the feet are Sugar interface main icon the legal thing is
> resolved. *
>

Amazing. Your arrogance is beyond anything I have ever experienced. The
situation is anything but resolved. Have you not heard anything the rest of
us have been saying? Or does it not matter to you?

>
>
> If Community wants to support the Sugar Design Marathon to upgrade it I
> volunteer to help you lead the effort. I think we should start working on a
> formal proposal to present to SLOBs asap.
>
> Main objective proposed would be:
>
> - To define in a collaborative way the adoption of a new main icon for
> Sugar interface according to Sugar Labs acceptable License Policy
> .
>
> Specific tasks needed to do:
> - Debug all learning and marketing materials
> - Add yours here..
>
> Calendar proposed would be:
> Oct 1-15 2017
>
> Please confirm/unconfirm your interes and/or suggest changes to my
> proposal.
>

Again, as both a member of the oversight committee and the design team, I
urge you to engage the design team instead of taking more unilateral
actions. Of course, you and Samson are more than welcome to do what you
want, but I for one don't understand how you can claim to working as a
member of our community and then make statements like "No offense Walter
but I was asking Samson not you.". I thought I was still a member of the
community.

>
> Regards
>
> Laura
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> 

Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-14 8:52 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero :

>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:32 AM Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> 2017-09-14 7:23 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>


 2017-09-14 7:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
>> discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But 
>> as
>> walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo 
>> is
>> still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want 
>> to
>> make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
>> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
>> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>>
>> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to
>> marketing, our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC
>> by doing that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>>
>> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
>> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
>> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
>> acceptable.
>>
>
> Samson,
>
> Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.
>
> If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you
> must explain your reasons. For me it is.
>
> Very similar to Gnome logo
>

 I was chating here with my Gnome friends and we have come to a tag line:

 "To jump in one foot you must firts learn to stand up in two"

 She loved it!


> As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?
>
> Sugar Marathon Design??
>
> We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members
> for our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how 
> Sugar
> Labs logo came alive.
>

 Am all for open dynamics still I prefer collaborative dynamics rather
 than competitive ones.

 A Sugar Design Marathon can be done if it is the Board will, by asking
 all community members to synchronize for ~15 intensive days with a design
 team from active volunteers and contributors.

 I look forward to see Community working together productively.

 What do you think?

>>>
>>> I think that (1) we should resolve the status of the XO icon before
>>> rushing into anything and (2) it would seem that the role of SLOB would be
>>> to ask the design team to do its job, not to do it for them.
>>>
>>>
>> No offense Walter but I was asking Samson not you.
>>
>
> What a childish and unpolite response.
>

...

Samuel,

You are totally entitled your opinion.


Samson,

*Now that the feet are Sugar interface main icon the legal thing is
resolved. *

If Community wants to support the Sugar Design Marathon to upgrade it I
volunteer to help you lead the effort. I think we should start working on a
formal proposal to present to SLOBs asap.

Main objective proposed would be:

- To define in a collaborative way the adoption of a new main icon for
Sugar interface according to Sugar Labs acceptable License Policy
.

Specific tasks needed to do:
- Debug all learning and marketing materials
- Add yours here..

Calendar proposed would be:
Oct 1-15 2017

Please confirm/unconfirm your interes and/or suggest changes to my proposal.

Regards

Laura

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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Samuel Cantero]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:32 AM Laura Vargas  wrote:

> 2017-09-14 7:23 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-14 7:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>


 On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:



 2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
> discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But as
> walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo 
> is
> still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want 
> to
> make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>
> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to
> marketing, our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC
> by doing that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>
> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
> acceptable.
>

 Samson,

 Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.

 If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you must
 explain your reasons. For me it is.

 Very similar to Gnome logo

>>>
>>> I was chating here with my Gnome friends and we have come to a tag line:
>>>
>>> "To jump in one foot you must firts learn to stand up in two"
>>>
>>> She loved it!
>>>
>>>
 As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?

 Sugar Marathon Design??

 We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members
 for our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how Sugar
 Labs logo came alive.

>>>
>>> Am all for open dynamics still I prefer collaborative dynamics rather
>>> than competitive ones.
>>>
>>> A Sugar Design Marathon can be done if it is the Board will, by asking
>>> all community members to synchronize for ~15 intensive days with a design
>>> team from active volunteers and contributors.
>>>
>>> I look forward to see Community working together productively.
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> I think that (1) we should resolve the status of the XO icon before
>> rushing into anything and (2) it would seem that the role of SLOB would be
>> to ask the design team to do its job, not to do it for them.
>>
>>
> No offense Walter but I was asking Samson not you.
>

What a childish and unpolite response. I am very disappointed the way
Sebastian and you are behaving right now.

Don't you realize that is you against the community? You both think what
you are doing is more relevant to "protect" sugarlabs than what community
think. Scary.

>
>
> :D
>
>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>


 Regards

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 ~ L. Victoria

 Happy Learning!
 #LearningByDoing
 #Projects4good
 #IDesignATSugarLabs
 #WeCanDoBetter



>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura V.
>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ L. Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
>>> #LearningByDoing
>>> #Projects4good
>>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-14 7:23 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-14 7:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>>
 I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
 discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But as
 walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo is
 still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want to
 make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
 good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
 one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.

 As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to marketing,
 our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC by doing
 that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.

 Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
 suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
 for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
 acceptable.

>>>
>>> Samson,
>>>
>>> Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.
>>>
>>> If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you must
>>> explain your reasons. For me it is.
>>>
>>> Very similar to Gnome logo
>>>
>>
>> I was chating here with my Gnome friends and we have come to a tag line:
>>
>> "To jump in one foot you must firts learn to stand up in two"
>>
>> She loved it!
>>
>>
>>> As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?
>>>
>>> Sugar Marathon Design??
>>>
>>> We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members
>>> for our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how Sugar
>>> Labs logo came alive.
>>>
>>
>> Am all for open dynamics still I prefer collaborative dynamics rather
>> than competitive ones.
>>
>> A Sugar Design Marathon can be done if it is the Board will, by asking
>> all community members to synchronize for ~15 intensive days with a design
>> team from active volunteers and contributors.
>>
>> I look forward to see Community working together productively.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>
> I think that (1) we should resolve the status of the XO icon before
> rushing into anything and (2) it would seem that the role of SLOB would be
> to ask the design team to do its job, not to do it for them.
>
>
No offense Walter but I was asking Samson not you.

:D


> -walter
>
>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura V.
>>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ L. Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
>>> #LearningByDoing
>>> #Projects4good
>>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Walter Bender
> Sugar Labs
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> 
>



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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Walter Bender]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-14 7:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>
>>> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
>>> discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But as
>>> walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo is
>>> still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want to
>>> make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
>>> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
>>> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>>>
>>> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to marketing,
>>> our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC by doing
>>> that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>>>
>>> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
>>> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
>>> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
>>> acceptable.
>>>
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.
>>
>> If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you must
>> explain your reasons. For me it is.
>>
>> Very similar to Gnome logo
>>
>
> I was chating here with my Gnome friends and we have come to a tag line:
>
> "To jump in one foot you must firts learn to stand up in two"
>
> She loved it!
>
>
>> As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?
>>
>> Sugar Marathon Design??
>>
>> We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members for
>> our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how Sugar
>> Labs logo came alive.
>>
>
> Am all for open dynamics still I prefer collaborative dynamics rather than
> competitive ones.
>
> A Sugar Design Marathon can be done if it is the Board will, by asking all
> community members to synchronize for ~15 intensive days with a design team
> from active volunteers and contributors.
>
> I look forward to see Community working together productively.
>
> What do you think?
>

I think that (1) we should resolve the status of the XO icon before rushing
into anything and (2) it would seem that the role of SLOB would be to ask
the design team to do its job, not to do it for them.

-walter


>
>
> Regards
>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
>> #IDesignATSugarLabs
>> #WeCanDoBetter
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-14 7:00 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
>
>
>
> 2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
>> discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But as
>> walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo is
>> still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want to
>> make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
>> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
>> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>>
>> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to marketing,
>> our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC by doing
>> that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>>
>> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
>> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
>> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
>> acceptable.
>>
>
> Samson,
>
> Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.
>
> If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you must
> explain your reasons. For me it is.
>
> Very similar to Gnome logo
>

I was chating here with my Gnome friends and we have come to a tag line:

"To jump in one foot you must firts learn to stand up in two"

She loved it!


> As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?
>
> Sugar Marathon Design??
>
> We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members for
> our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how Sugar
> Labs logo came alive.
>

Am all for open dynamics still I prefer collaborative dynamics rather than
competitive ones.

A Sugar Design Marathon can be done if it is the Board will, by asking all
community members to synchronize for ~15 intensive days with a design team
from active volunteers and contributors.

I look forward to see Community working together productively.

What do you think?


Regards

>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Samson Goddy]

On Sep 14, 2017 12:52 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:



2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
> discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But as
> walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo is
> still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want to
> make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>
> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to marketing,
> our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC by doing
> that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>
> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
> acceptable.
>

Samson,

Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.

If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you must
explain your reasons. For me it is.

Very similar to Gnome logo


As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?

Sugar Marathon Design??

We don't we do an Open Logo competition online and share with members for
our users to design good logo, reflecting what sugar is. Like how Sugar
Labs logo came alive.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-14 6:36 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :

> I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
> discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But as
> walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo is
> still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want to
> make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
> good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
> one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.
>
> As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to marketing,
> our goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC by doing
> that we should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.
>
> Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
> suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
> for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
> acceptable.
>

Samson,

Old trademarked OLPC logo is gone now.

If you think the one proposed by Sebastian is "not acceptable" you must
explain your reasons. For me it is.

As I have said earlier, am all for a Sugar Marathon Design. You in?


Regards

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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Samson Goddy]

I didn't wanted to reply earlier because i wanted to be sure what the
discussion was all about. I perfectly understand Sebastian worries. But as
walter mention Sugar Labs was a spinoff of OLPC and that is why the logo is
still present. Now, what i think we should do is to ask SLOBS if we want to
make these changes, make a good logo, the present one from Sebastian is
good but it is similar to Gnome logo. So we should calm them design a new
one that if SLOBS approve the chnages.

As for me, leaving the XO logo from Sugar is a smart move to marketing, our
goal is to make Sugar available to all users not just OLPC by doing that we
should have Sugar OS logo to make things neutral.

Sebastian, since you co-sign the agreement could you please take my
suggestions and make things official by take it to SLOBS make design open
for members to agree on a design because the current one for me is not
acceptable.

These are my thoughts

On Sep 14, 2017 12:20 PM, "Sebastian Silva" 
wrote:

>
> On 14/09/17 05:40, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>
> Sebastian want a version of sugar-artwork with his own logo,
> he can fork the repository. Sugarlabs repositories should be managed
> according with the community rules
> and looking for consensus.
>
> Gonzalo
>
> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> As you yourself pointed out in #96, pull requests could be years to be
> accepted. The linked "community rules", mention "reviewers" and
> "maintainers" who in reality don't review or maintain anymore. Much less
> have the guts to make a stand to protect users and downstream's freedom or
> even care about it. Such a process have no meaning when *nobody is
> responsible* for the release. I fully assume responsibility for my
> actions, as I stand by them and will defend them.
>
> You are welcome to make a pull request and follow the "community rules" to
> get it merged.
>
> So if OLPC want's to put their trademark in everybody's face, then the
> burden of forking should be on them (note: as they already do, out of
> frustration with our "community rules" not working).
>
> If we lack a release manager, then the "Development Team" should
> communicate this. The recent release by OLPC of Sugar was a take over which
> I won't allow, not while my name is in a contract, and, more importantly,
> not while it goes against my principles to force a potentially abused
> trademark into every project I love.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Sebastian Silva  wrote:

>
>
> On 13/09/17 20:22, Martin Abente wrote:
>
>
>> The proposed feet logo is likely a violation of the GNOME Foundation
>> trademark, more info on their site [3].
>>
>
> If the feet logo could be a violation of the GNOME trademark, then lets
> revert it, until a proper replacement is found (and if its really needed,
> of course).
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/97
>
>
> How would it be a violation? It is not a derived work. It doesn't even
> look similar. Plus Sugar users have two feet, as most humans do.
>

By that logic, most humans have a head an torso like the XO logo.


> GNOME foot icon looks like a "G". The Sugar feet logo is my creation* and
> each foot has five toes instead of four.
>
> I have seen that you and Ignacio have reverted my change.
>
> *Have you determined that we have written permission to use this image?*
>
> *Have you determined that our downstream distributor, and users, have
> permission to use this image?*
>
> *Have you determined that our downstream distributors, and users can
> modify this icon in accordance to our Acceptable License Policy?*
>
> *Also, are you aware of the SFC-Sugar Labs Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement,
> which, is a contract that I signed when I was a SLOBs in 2011?*
>

As you well know, we have asked the SFC to review the situation. You
continuing to act unilaterally is not helping the situation.

>
>
> This contract binds Sugar Labs, and, specifically, me, to make sure Sugar
> Labs distributes only Free Software. If the XO logo icon can be used "under
> certain circumstances" then it's not free as in Libre and we - I - would be
> in breach of this contract. Therefore it is my right to request Sugar Labs
> to make sure the above questions are answered affirmatively before I can
> accept to distribute Sugar with this icon or subject our distributors or
> users to risk of being bullied by a copyright owner.
>
> While I agree the way I did it was counter to Sugar Labs standard
> development procedures, we know it could take years for a patch to be
> merged since nobody has the motivation for doing it. I anticipated it would
> be unpopular but I'm sorry, I feel it's necessary. I have brought this
> topic up for years and after this time I feel I have earned the right to
> act the way I feel is in the best interest of Sugar.
>

No one has the right to act unilaterally on behalf of Sugar Labs. This is a
serious breach of faith with the community.

>
> I will therefore make the corresponding pull request to set the record
> straight again.
>
> If this will have the positive impact of jolting some energy into this
> community, then I'm all the more happy for it.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> * "Sugar Feet Logo" is a derived work by Sebastian Silva based on "Foot
> Prints" Abdo from the Noun Project which is licensed CC-BY 3.0
>



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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Sebastian Silva]

On 14/09/17 05:40, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
> Sebastian want a version of sugar-artwork with his own logo,
> he can fork the repository. Sugarlabs repositories should be managed
> according with the community rules
> and looking for consensus.
>
> Gonzalo
Hi Gonzalo,

As you yourself pointed out in #96, pull requests could be years to be
accepted. The linked "community rules", mention "reviewers" and
"maintainers" who in reality don't review or maintain anymore. Much less
have the guts to make a stand to protect users and downstream's freedom
or even care about it. Such a process have no meaning when /nobody is
responsible/ for the release. I fully assume responsibility for my
actions, as I stand by them and will defend them.

You are welcome to make a pull request and follow the "community rules"
to get it merged.

So if OLPC want's to put their trademark in everybody's face, then the
burden of forking should be on them (note: as they already do, out of
frustration with our "community rules" not working).

If we lack a release manager, then the "Development Team" should
communicate this. The recent release by OLPC of Sugar was a take over
which I won't allow, not while my name is in a contract, and, more
importantly, not while it goes against my principles to force a
potentially abused trademark into every project I love.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Martin Abente]

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-14 5:40 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard :
>
>> Samuel,
>> You are right (Laura Vargas is Sebastian Silva wife).
>>
>
> You guys have to get over the fact that we are a married couple. We are 2
> happy long time Sugar Labs contributors.
>
> You cannot be discriminated us in any way for our marital status.
>
>
>
> *If you or anyone else want to support a Trademarked logo are welcome to
> do it not in Sugar main branch.*
>

You are wrong Laura (so is Sebastian), the process is just as important as
the issue you are supposedly trying to address. Making these decisions
unilaterally can damage the community and the project.


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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-14 5:40 GMT-05:00 Gonzalo Odiard :

> Samuel,
> You are right (Laura Vargas is Sebastian Silva wife).
>

You guys have to get over the fact that we are a married couple. We are 2
happy long time Sugar Labs contributors.

You cannot be discriminated us in any way for our marital status.



*If you or anyone else want to support a Trademarked logo are welcome to do
it not in Sugar main branch.*
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Gonzalo Odiard]

Samuel,
You are right (Laura Vargas is Sebastian Silva wife).

The first push from Sebastian of his own work is already a violation of the
Sugarlabs collaborations rules

https://developer.sugarlabs.org/contributing.md.html#
sending%20a%20pull-request

If Sebastian want a version of sugar-artwork with his own logo,
he can fork the repository. Sugarlabs repositories should be managed
according with the community rules
and looking for consensus.

Gonzalo


On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-13 22:58 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero :
>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 11:29 PM Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 2017-09-13 22:10 GMT-05:00 Martin Abente 
>>> :
>>>
 I noticed that my PR review and merged by Ignacio, but it later was
 reverted by Sebastian again.

>>>
>>> Martin,
>>>
>>> Please check with care: Sebastian's PR was merged by me, Laura Victoria.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/98
>>>
>>
>> It is strange a PR merged exactly 1min later after PR was sent. It is
>> clearly it was done to overcome direct commit. Aside from that I only see
>> Laura and Sebastian pushing in the same direction regarding new logo, so I
>> don't see this revert PR with good intention. You are forcing the new logo
>> in the repo.
>>
>
> Yes. And that is OK since the new logo is Trademark libre/free.
>
> Regards,
>
> Laura V
>
>
>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-13 22:58 GMT-05:00 Samuel Cantero :

> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 11:29 PM Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
> 2017-09-13 22:10 GMT-05:00 Martin Abente :
>>
>>> I noticed that my PR review and merged by Ignacio, but it later was
>>> reverted by Sebastian again.
>>>
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>> Please check with care: Sebastian's PR was merged by me, Laura Victoria.
>>
>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/98
>>
>
> It is strange a PR merged exactly 1min later after PR was sent. It is
> clearly it was done to overcome direct commit. Aside from that I only see
> Laura and Sebastian pushing in the same direction regarding new logo, so I
> don't see this revert PR with good intention. You are forcing the new logo
> in the repo.
>

Yes. And that is OK since the new logo is Trademark libre/free.

Regards,

Laura V


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>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

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On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 11:29 PM Laura Vargas  wrote:

2017-09-13 22:10 GMT-05:00 Martin Abente :
>
>> I noticed that my PR review and merged by Ignacio, but it later was
>> reverted by Sebastian again.
>>
>
> Martin,
>
> Please check with care: Sebastian's PR was merged by me, Laura Victoria.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/98
>

It is strange a PR merged exactly 1min later after PR was sent. It is
clearly it was done to overcome direct commit. Aside from that I only see
Laura and Sebastian pushing in the same direction regarding new logo, so I
don't see this revert PR with good intention. You are forcing the new logo
in the repo.

>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-13 22:10 GMT-05:00 Martin Abente :

> I noticed that my PR review and merged by Ignacio, but it later was
> reverted by Sebastian again.
>

Martin,

Please check with care: Sebastian's PR was merged by me, Laura Victoria.

https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/98

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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Martin Abente]

I noticed that my PR review and merged by Ignacio, but it later was
reverted by Sebastian again. Looks like if I send another PR, this will
keep happening, and i just want to point out that this is VERY scary,
having one person unilaterally making these decisions.

This is wrong.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Martin Abente <
martin.abente.lah...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
>> In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo in Sugar, but
>> asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal co-branding
>> licensing agreement. [1,2]
>>
>> The proposed feet logo is likely a violation of the GNOME Foundation
>> trademark, more info on their site [3].
>>
>
> If the feet logo could be a violation of the GNOME trademark, then lets
> revert it, until a proper replacement is found (and if its really needed,
> of course).
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/97
>
>
>>
>> Sean.
>>
>> 1. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-December/003059.html
>> 2. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-October/014245.html
>> 3. https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/FoundationBoard/Resources
>> /LicensingGuidelines?action=show=Foundation%2FLic
>> ensingGuidelines
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Laura Vargas 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Am attaching the previous brand icon Trademark just for reference.

>>>
>>> The question is more complex than whether or not OLPC received a
>>> trademark. Was it ever applicable to our use in Sugar? Is it still valid?
>>> Note that "a failure to enforce a trademark by monitoring the mark for
>>> misuses will result in a weakening of the mark and loss of distinctiveness,
>>> which can lead to a loss of the trademark." [1] Sugar Labs has been using
>>> xo-computer.svg and has never, as far as I know, received any notification
>>> that we are infringing. I don't know the answers to these questions, which
>>> is why I asked that our lawyer look into it.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.justia.com/intellectual-property/trademarks/enforcement/
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>



 2017-09-13 13:16 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :

> Hi Alex,
>
> Yes Sugar user interface needed to urgently get rid of any Trademark
> at all. We can breath now :D
>
> If you don't like the feet feel free to propose a new option or a
> dynamic for our Community to accomplish a new one collaboratively.  I
> really like the cute little finger color's.
>
> See how it looks here:
>
> http://laboratoriosazucar.org/azucarizador/
>
> There is still an urgent need for 111.1 Sugar release including this
> change.
>
> Am not sure whether or not Sugar Labs has currently a release Manager.
>
> Maybe if we propose a "Christmas Edition" for 111.1 I'll get to
> inspire some heroes to help us out.
>
> It would be ideal, if we can also add some other critical features
> required like the elimination of the male/female initial question.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Laura
>
> 2017-09-13 12:06 GMT-05:00 Alex Perez :
>
>> On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO
>> awful) "feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board
>> involved with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.
>>
>> Walter Bender 
>> Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
>> Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it
>> would be helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as 
>> our
>> liaison to the SFC?
>>
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>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Sebastian Silva]

On 13/09/17 21:38, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> (...) before I can accept to distribute Sugar with this icon or
> subject our distributors or users to risk of being bullied by a
> copyright owner.
I meant, /Trademark holder/.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Sebastian Silva]

On 13/09/17 20:22, Martin Abente wrote:
>
>
> The proposed feet logo is likely a violation of the GNOME
> Foundation trademark, more info on their site [3].
>
>
> If the feet logo could be a violation of the GNOME trademark, then
> lets revert it, until a proper replacement is found (and if its really
> needed, of course).
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/97

How would it be a violation? It is not a derived work. It doesn't even
look similar. Plus Sugar users have two feet, as most humans do.
GNOME foot icon looks like a "G". The Sugar feet logo is my creation*
and each foot has five toes instead of four.

I have seen that you and Ignacio have reverted my change.

/Have you determined that we have written permission to use this image?//
//
//Have you determined that our downstream distributor, and users, have
permission to use this image?//
//
//Have you determined that our downstream distributors, and users can
modify this icon in accordance to our Acceptable License Policy?//
/
/Also, are you aware of the SFC-Sugar Labs Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement,
which, is a contract that I signed when I was a SLOBs in 2011?/

This contract binds Sugar Labs, and, specifically, me, to make sure
Sugar Labs distributes only Free Software. If the XO logo icon can be
used "under certain circumstances" then it's not free as in Libre and we
- I - would be in breach of this contract. Therefore it is my right to
request Sugar Labs to make sure the above questions are answered
affirmatively before I can accept to distribute Sugar with this icon or
subject our distributors or users to risk of being bullied by a
copyright owner.

While I agree the way I did it was counter to Sugar Labs standard
development procedures, we know it could take years for a patch to be
merged since nobody has the motivation for doing it. I anticipated it
would be unpopular but I'm sorry, I feel it's necessary. I have brought
this topic up for years and after this time I feel I have earned the
right to act the way I feel is in the best interest of Sugar.

I will therefore make the corresponding pull request to set the record
straight again.

If this will have the positive impact of jolting some energy into this
community, then I'm all the more happy for it.

Thank you.

Regards,
Sebastian

* "Sugar Feet Logo" is a derived work by Sebastian Silva based on "Foot
Prints" Abdo from the Noun Project which is licensed CC-BY 3.0
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-13 21:18 GMT-05:00 Sean DALY :

> There is zero urgency in changing the xo logo,
>


Not Martin you are wrong.

The Urgency was Sugar users are not free as in "Libre" to use it.

Why do keep insisting in keeping it?


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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Sean DALY]

There is zero urgency in changing the xo logo, which has been in Sugar
since its inception, with its use encouraged by OLPC. On the contrary,
rushing to a logo which may infringe the GNOME Foundation's trademark could
land Sugar Labs and the SFC in difficulty.

And in any case, any major branding change should at the very least be done
with the Design and Marketing teams, with SLOBs approval. It's true that
the teams have not been active lately (Dave Crossland is in charge of
marketing now), but it's not a reason to bypass stakeholders, and certainly
not a reason to bypass the SLOBs.

I distinctly remember we (Marketing & Design Teams) consulted with OLPC for
our booth roll-up and poster designs [1], and at their suggestion, centered
the globe icon with xo children around it - the early draft designs had a
large xo in the center and we respected OLPC's wish to design marketing
materials to resemble the Sugar interface.

Sean

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Booth_Banners


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
> 2017-09-13 16:02 GMT-05:00 Sean DALY :
>
>> In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo in Sugar, but
>> asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal co-branding
>> licensing agreement.
>>
> ...
> 1. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-December/003059.html
>
> Thank you Sean for the reference.
>
> This confirms *Sugar Labs needs to* *remove the old XO Trademarked logo
> from all marketing materials*, including training materials and of course
> Sugar Lab's website.
>
> cc to SLOBs
>
> Regards,
>
> --
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Martin Abente]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Sean DALY  wrote:

> In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo in Sugar, but
> asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal co-branding
> licensing agreement. [1,2]
>
> The proposed feet logo is likely a violation of the GNOME Foundation
> trademark, more info on their site [3].
>

If the feet logo could be a violation of the GNOME trademark, then lets
revert it, until a proper replacement is found (and if its really needed,
of course).

https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/97


>
> Sean.
>
> 1. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-December/003059.html
> 2. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-October/014245.html
> 3. https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/FoundationBoard/
> Resources/LicensingGuidelines?action=show=Foundation%
> 2FLicensingGuidelines
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Laura Vargas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am attaching the previous brand icon Trademark just for reference.
>>>
>>
>> The question is more complex than whether or not OLPC received a
>> trademark. Was it ever applicable to our use in Sugar? Is it still valid?
>> Note that "a failure to enforce a trademark by monitoring the mark for
>> misuses will result in a weakening of the mark and loss of distinctiveness,
>> which can lead to a loss of the trademark." [1] Sugar Labs has been using
>> xo-computer.svg and has never, as far as I know, received any notification
>> that we are infringing. I don't know the answers to these questions, which
>> is why I asked that our lawyer look into it.
>>
>> [1] https://www.justia.com/intellectual-property/trademarks/enforcement/
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-13 13:16 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :
>>>
 Hi Alex,

 Yes Sugar user interface needed to urgently get rid of any Trademark at
 all. We can breath now :D

 If you don't like the feet feel free to propose a new option or a
 dynamic for our Community to accomplish a new one collaboratively.  I
 really like the cute little finger color's.

 See how it looks here:

 http://laboratoriosazucar.org/azucarizador/

 There is still an urgent need for 111.1 Sugar release including this
 change.

 Am not sure whether or not Sugar Labs has currently a release Manager.

 Maybe if we propose a "Christmas Edition" for 111.1 I'll get to inspire
 some heroes to help us out.

 It would be ideal, if we can also add some other critical features
 required like the elimination of the male/female initial question.


 Regards

 Laura

 2017-09-13 12:06 GMT-05:00 Alex Perez :

> On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO
> awful) "feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board
> involved with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.
>
> Walter Bender 
> Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
> Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would
> be helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our
> liaison to the SFC?
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

2017-09-13 16:02 GMT-05:00 Sean DALY :

> In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo in Sugar, but
> asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal co-branding
> licensing agreement.
>
...
1. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-December/003059.html

Thank you Sean for the reference.

This confirms *Sugar Labs needs to* *remove the old XO Trademarked logo
from all marketing materials*, including training materials and of course
Sugar Lab's website.

cc to SLOBs

Regards,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Sean DALY]

In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo in Sugar, but
asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal co-branding
licensing agreement. [1,2]

The proposed feet logo is likely a violation of the GNOME Foundation
trademark, more info on their site [3].

Sean.

1. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-December/003059.html
2. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2011-October/014245.html
3.
https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/FoundationBoard/Resources/LicensingGuidelines?action=show=Foundation%2FLicensingGuidelines


On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Am attaching the previous brand icon Trademark just for reference.
>>
>
> The question is more complex than whether or not OLPC received a
> trademark. Was it ever applicable to our use in Sugar? Is it still valid?
> Note that "a failure to enforce a trademark by monitoring the mark for
> misuses will result in a weakening of the mark and loss of distinctiveness,
> which can lead to a loss of the trademark." [1] Sugar Labs has been using
> xo-computer.svg and has never, as far as I know, received any notification
> that we are infringing. I don't know the answers to these questions, which
> is why I asked that our lawyer look into it.
>
> [1] https://www.justia.com/intellectual-property/trademarks/enforcement/
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-13 13:16 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :
>>
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Yes Sugar user interface needed to urgently get rid of any Trademark at
>>> all. We can breath now :D
>>>
>>> If you don't like the feet feel free to propose a new option or a
>>> dynamic for our Community to accomplish a new one collaboratively.  I
>>> really like the cute little finger color's.
>>>
>>> See how it looks here:
>>>
>>> http://laboratoriosazucar.org/azucarizador/
>>>
>>> There is still an urgent need for 111.1 Sugar release including this
>>> change.
>>>
>>> Am not sure whether or not Sugar Labs has currently a release Manager.
>>>
>>> Maybe if we propose a "Christmas Edition" for 111.1 I'll get to inspire
>>> some heroes to help us out.
>>>
>>> It would be ideal, if we can also add some other critical features
>>> required like the elimination of the male/female initial question.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> 2017-09-13 12:06 GMT-05:00 Alex Perez :
>>>
 On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO awful)
 "feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board involved
 with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.

 Walter Bender 
 Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
 Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would
 be helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our
 liaison to the SFC?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Martin Abente]

Regardless of the separate trademark discussion, I still don't understand
why someone just decided to change the logo and merged it even though
several people asked him not to (without proper discussion, and not even
knowing if its really necessary).

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Am attaching the previous brand icon Trademark just for reference.
>>
>
> The question is more complex than whether or not OLPC received a
> trademark. Was it ever applicable to our use in Sugar? Is it still valid?
> Note that "a failure to enforce a trademark by monitoring the mark for
> misuses will result in a weakening of the mark and loss of distinctiveness,
> which can lead to a loss of the trademark." [1] Sugar Labs has been using
> xo-computer.svg and has never, as far as I know, received any notification
> that we are infringing. I don't know the answers to these questions, which
> is why I asked that our lawyer look into it.
>
> [1] https://www.justia.com/intellectual-property/trademarks/enforcement/
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-13 13:16 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :
>>
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> Yes Sugar user interface needed to urgently get rid of any Trademark at
>>> all. We can breath now :D
>>>
>>> If you don't like the feet feel free to propose a new option or a
>>> dynamic for our Community to accomplish a new one collaboratively.  I
>>> really like the cute little finger color's.
>>>
>>> See how it looks here:
>>>
>>> http://laboratoriosazucar.org/azucarizador/
>>>
>>> There is still an urgent need for 111.1 Sugar release including this
>>> change.
>>>
>>> Am not sure whether or not Sugar Labs has currently a release Manager.
>>>
>>> Maybe if we propose a "Christmas Edition" for 111.1 I'll get to inspire
>>> some heroes to help us out.
>>>
>>> It would be ideal, if we can also add some other critical features
>>> required like the elimination of the male/female initial question.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> 2017-09-13 12:06 GMT-05:00 Alex Perez :
>>>
 On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO awful)
 "feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board involved
 with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.

 Walter Bender 
 Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
 Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would
 be helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our
 liaison to the SFC?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Am attaching the previous brand icon Trademark just for reference.
>

The question is more complex than whether or not OLPC received a trademark.
Was it ever applicable to our use in Sugar? Is it still valid? Note that "a
failure to enforce a trademark by monitoring the mark for misuses will
result in a weakening of the mark and loss of distinctiveness, which can
lead to a loss of the trademark." [1] Sugar Labs has been using
xo-computer.svg and has never, as far as I know, received any notification
that we are infringing. I don't know the answers to these questions, which
is why I asked that our lawyer look into it.

[1] https://www.justia.com/intellectual-property/trademarks/enforcement/

regards.

-walter

>
>
>
> 2017-09-13 13:16 GMT-05:00 Laura Vargas :
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Yes Sugar user interface needed to urgently get rid of any Trademark at
>> all. We can breath now :D
>>
>> If you don't like the feet feel free to propose a new option or a dynamic
>> for our Community to accomplish a new one collaboratively.  I really like
>> the cute little finger color's.
>>
>> See how it looks here:
>>
>> http://laboratoriosazucar.org/azucarizador/
>>
>> There is still an urgent need for 111.1 Sugar release including this
>> change.
>>
>> Am not sure whether or not Sugar Labs has currently a release Manager.
>>
>> Maybe if we propose a "Christmas Edition" for 111.1 I'll get to inspire
>> some heroes to help us out.
>>
>> It would be ideal, if we can also add some other critical features
>> required like the elimination of the male/female initial question.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> 2017-09-13 12:06 GMT-05:00 Alex Perez :
>>
>>> On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO awful)
>>> "feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board involved
>>> with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.
>>>
>>> Walter Bender 
>>> Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
>>> Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would
>>> be helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our
>>> liaison to the SFC?
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> Yes Sugar user interface needed to urgently get rid of any Trademark at
> all. We can breath now :D
>

Alex, I suggest you read the discussion thread in the link I included in
the original message for some other perspectives on the issue. FYI, as per
my request, Adam Holt contacted council at the SFC for an opinion. If we do
need to swap out the xo-computer icon, I presume we will engage the design
team.

regards.

-walter


>
> If you don't like the feet feel free to propose a new option or a dynamic
> for our Community to accomplish a new one collaboratively.  I really like
> the cute little finger color's.
>
> See how it looks here:
>
> http://laboratoriosazucar.org/azucarizador/
>
> There is still an urgent need for 111.1 Sugar release including this
> change.
>
> Am not sure whether or not Sugar Labs has currently a release Manager.
>
> Maybe if we propose a "Christmas Edition" for 111.1 I'll get to inspire
> some heroes to help us out.
>
> It would be ideal, if we can also add some other critical features
> required like the elimination of the male/female initial question.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Laura
>
> 2017-09-13 12:06 GMT-05:00 Alex Perez :
>
>> On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO awful)
>> "feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board involved
>> with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.
>>
>> Walter Bender 
>> Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
>> Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would be
>> helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our liaison
>> to the SFC?
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Laura Vargas]

Hi Alex,

Yes Sugar user interface needed to urgently get rid of any Trademark at
all. We can breath now :D

If you don't like the feet feel free to propose a new option or a dynamic
for our Community to accomplish a new one collaboratively.  I really like
the cute little finger color's.

See how it looks here:

http://laboratoriosazucar.org/azucarizador/

There is still an urgent need for 111.1 Sugar release including this change.

Am not sure whether or not Sugar Labs has currently a release Manager.

Maybe if we propose a "Christmas Edition" for 111.1 I'll get to inspire
some heroes to help us out.

It would be ideal, if we can also add some other critical features required
like the elimination of the male/female initial question.


Regards

Laura

2017-09-13 12:06 GMT-05:00 Alex Perez :

> On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO awful)
> "feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board involved
> with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.
>
> Walter Bender 
> Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
> Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would be
> helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our liaison
> to the SFC?
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Alex Perez]

On this subject, I may have missed this, but where did the (IMHO awful) 
"feet" icon come from, who approved its use, and was the board involved 
with the decision? It seems a fairly central branding decision.



Walter Bender 
Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:49 AM
Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would 
be helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our 
liaison to the SFC?


regards.

-walter

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[Sugar-devel] logo dicussion

[Walter Bender]

Regarding https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-artwork/pull/96 it would be
helpful to get Tony's feedback. Can you please contact him as our liaison
to the SFC?

regards.

-walter

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