Re: [Sugar-devel] Missed icons in sugar-artwork

2008-12-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Erik Blankinship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe there is also a missing icon for crosshair (used by css in browse). I think this should be fixed now. There is a crosshair in the cursor theme. If it's still not working, can someone point me to the name the

Re: [Sugar-devel] One instance activity

2008-12-09 Thread Eben Eliason
Are you sure? Browse makes use of shared code, but still presents the user with the appearance of multiple instances. It seems to me that the request here to prevent instances entirely goes against the Sugar HIG, but I might be misunderstanding. Pablo, for what reasons do you desire to prevent

[Sugar-devel] Human Interface Guidelines (update and hosting)

2008-12-16 Thread Eben Eliason
Hello everyone - The Human Interface Guidelines [1] have been stagnant for some time, and I'm starting an initiative to remedy the situation. This effort, as I see it, has two components: 1) update the contents of the HIG and 2) tease apart OLPC guidelines from Sugar guidelines, and adjust

Re: [Sugar-devel] About the default ogg player in sugar

2008-12-18 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 01:19:04PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:04:47AM -0500

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] sugar-toolkit-0.83.3

2008-12-19 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:11 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Sources: http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/glucose/sugar-toolkit/sugar-toolkit-0.83.3.tar.bz2 News: * Fix palette highlighting on tray icons. Patch by benzea, style tweaks by marcopg * Rework palette

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal integration for Scratch

2009-01-12 Thread Eben Eliason
This is something I've briefly discussed with Marco in the past. It seems a natural extension of the idea of objects as first class citizens of Sugar to allow those objects to have custom icons and identities. Right now, we have no such support. The most natural way (at least for me, as a Mac

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal integration for Scratch

2009-01-12 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 18:07, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 12.01.2009, at 17:55, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 17:38, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 12.01.2009, at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal integration for Scratch

2009-01-13 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 13.01.2009, at 06:55, Philipp Kocher wrote: Thanks Tomeu to lead me to the /home/olpc/.local directory. However, the mimetypes.xml is not necessary to get the icon in the journal. I just had to copy the scratch

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal integration for Scratch

2009-01-13 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 13.01.2009, at 17:22, Eben Eliason wrote: /usr/share/icons/sugar/scalable/mimetypes/application-x-squake- project.svg. Interesting ... thanks for the archaeology :) Eben: see, I did remember correctly

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] feature freeze issue #2: making easier for people to title their activities

2009-01-18 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:20:29PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: [Don't keep option in Naming dialog that pops up when closing the activity] Honestly, I think we'll make a lot of people happier by offering

Re: [Sugar-devel] Image Quiz Activity

2009-02-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Tony Anderson tony_ander...@usa.net wrote: Wade, I am working on additions to Image Quiz to add the features mentioned here. The primary goal is to provide a picture recognition capability for learning vocabulary (the user is presented with four pictures and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Is it possible to disable sharing for an Activity?

2009-02-02 Thread Eben Eliason
I think that the addition of a new property in the activity.info file would be logical here. Make it an integer indicating the maximum number of supported participants. Unshared activities would report '1', activities like video chat (with technical limitations) or chess (with obvious player

Re: [Sugar-devel] Migrating the HIG

2009-02-09 Thread Eben Eliason
That sounds logical, to me. Thanks for your hard work on this! There is also the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Specifications page, which is related. Perhaps we should wait on that, though, and setup a design specifications at DesignTeam/Specs/* (or somewhere on the DevTeam side?) as we need them,

Re: [Sugar-devel] design team meeting (And finding a new regular time)

2009-02-19 Thread Eben Eliason
I wasn't available for a meeting today, so that's partially my fault. I'm trying to get back into the swing of things, though, and actually had the chance to meet with Christian today regarding starting up regular design meetings again. As our work on Sugar will be voluntary, we both feel that

Re: [Sugar-devel] nitpicks on the sucrose 0.83.6 UI

2009-02-22 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Eduardo H. Silva hoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: The Sucrose 0.83.6 Release Notes said that we can comment on it UI on the sugar mailing list, so I hope you don't mind me making my wish list. Many of these things are perhaps nitpicks, but so be it :) 1 - I'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] wiki_laptop_org/go/Specifications

2009-02-22 Thread Eben Eliason
Well, I'm uncertain, mostly because some of the specs are outdated, many others incomplete, etc. What might be better is to migrate a skeleton, and have developers add additional topics which need a spec, thus encouraging the design team (myself very much included) to revisit these areas and

Re: [Sugar-devel] future of the grab key?

2009-02-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, p...@laptop.org wrote: since we're examining unloved features today, i have something to show and tell, too. i'd like to get input on some work i've done to get the grab key(s) on the XO working.  i don't think what i've done is quite how they were

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Design ideas for a.sl.o and sugarlabs

2009-02-27 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:22 AM, ,Josh williams joshcwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Carol, Thanks for the kind words. That's a good idea for providing a screen shot, that's what they do at addons.mozilla.org . It might be somewhat Yes, I think screenshots will be an important visual element on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 01:58:30PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: As I understand it, this cannot be so simple because it needs to be a bootable image, and not just a set of files. What about raw disk images

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:01:15PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: This assumption, however, excludes the Windows-using majority. Only if it's the only option, which wasn't my intention. Good point; that's fair

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
2009/3/1 Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org: As I understand it, this cannot be so simple because it needs to be a bootable image, and not just a set of files.  I'd also suspect there's partitioning being done (not sure) so that user data can still be stored on it as well. An alternative

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Eben Eliason
have a moment please look at: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-February/000341.html http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/marketing/2009-February/000363.html thanks Sean On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: As I understand it, this cannot be so

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Design for a.sl.o and sugarlabs

2009-03-04 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi Josh, I'm wondering how we can move forward on this. I see two possibilities: - keep insisting to the Design team to give feedback on your mockups and reach an agreement with them after a number if iterations.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Design for a.sl.o and sugarlabs

2009-03-04 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:01 PM, ,Josh williams joshcwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi Josh, I'm wondering how we can move forward on this. I see two possibilities: - keep insisting to the Design team

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Design for a.sl.o and sugarlabs

2009-03-04 Thread Eben Eliason
, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: Here are some sketches I have been playing with, for thought and critique.  Nothing's finished, but I was taking some cues from the static site and the comments I mentioned in my earlier post. (I'm sure Christian will still tear

[Sugar-devel] Activity Versioning (Was Re: [RELEASE] Terminal v24)

2009-03-11 Thread Eben Eliason
Here is some (OK, a lot) of background reading on the subject. I still cast my vote for a major/minor distinction, as mentioned in my response on the second thread below. http://www.mail-archive.com/de...@lists.laptop.org/msg11149.html

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity Versioning (Was Re: [RELEASE] Terminal v24)

2009-03-11 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 17:00, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: Here is some (OK, a lot) of background reading on the subject.  I still cast my

Re: [Sugar-devel] content bundles and the OLPC Library Browse home page

2009-03-19 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 19 Mar 2009, at 16:58, Wade Brainerd wrote: My hope going forward is that .xol bundles merge with .xo bundles and that they become one and the same, each appearing on the Home view for example.  HTML would just be

Re: [Sugar-devel] tokenized text fields?

2009-03-20 Thread Eben Eliason
These aren't implemented anywhere, as far as I know. I don't know if GTK itself has something similar which we could subclass, or if we're on our own. These fields would play a huge role in making tagging more natural and less time consuming, so I'd welcome anyone who wants to take on the task.

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-23 Thread Eben Eliason
2009/3/23 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benson benson.garri...@gmail.com wrote: Jameson Quinn wrote: Implementing a whole spreadsheet is a big enough chore. We do really care about collaboration, but I would advise you to limit your

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Eben Eliason
to consider: data collection from multiple sources are shared and displayed in the same visualization space. -walter On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/3/23 Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com: On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benson

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal oddity: metadata with no file?

2009-03-30 Thread Eben Eliason
2009/3/30 Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org: On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 05:11:46PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: Only if something useful is stored. I was wrong to point a finger to Browse - the culprit is Terminal. Try the latest version of Terminal. It does store both current

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #645 UNSP: make sugarlabs.org the default page

2009-04-02 Thread Eben Eliason
2009/4/2 Christian Marc Schmidt christianm...@gmail.com: Gary, this looks great--thanks for resizing the logo. It might be nice to have the logo change color, like on the website. Just a thought. Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. A simple inline script tag would do the trick, probably.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Local static page, final call for edits (Re: [RELEASE] Browse-106)

2009-04-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 2 Apr 2009, at 17:16, Eben Eliason wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 2 Apr 2009, at 10:50, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Gary C Martin g

Re: [Sugar-devel] Local static page, final call for edits (Re: [RELEASE] Browse-106)

2009-04-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: My understanding is that we are going to be interested in providing other sugar-specific services than collaboration in a server, like

Re: [Sugar-devel] Local static page, final call for edits (Re: [RELEASE] Browse-106)

2009-04-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: My

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC proposal: version support for data store and Journal

2009-04-02 Thread Eben Eliason
2009/4/2 Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org: Hi! As my diploma thesis got delayed again, I decided to apply for GSoC and implement #1 on my list of most urgent missing features in Sugar: Version support (sorry Michael, but Rainbow only got second place on that list). Hooray! I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Proposal of Google Summer of Code

2009-04-02 Thread Eben Eliason
I had this idea when I was making the very first mockups of Paint, and I think it's a great idea! Check out the mockup: it's the brush with the little gear next to it, which I always referred to as the behavior brush. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Activity_paint_tools.jpg The secondary palette

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Geza Kovacs gkov...@mit.edu wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds as if your proposal is not so much an activity as the ability

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC proposal: version support for data store and Journal

2009-04-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:36:41PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: In all of our preliminary designs, we actually proposed that branches be flattened from the perspective of the user. That is, the most recent

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Unified Objects (was Unified bundles)

2009-04-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: If I understand Wade correctly the one of the main purposes(at least) is not hiding content bundles somewhere(for example in Browse's bookmarks) ..and I see your concern(for what reason we should create new entities if

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Unified Objects (was Unified bundles)

2009-04-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: Proposal. To achieve this target, instead of inventing new versioning

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Unified Objects (was Unified bundles)

2009-04-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: The idea that activities actually exist in the Journal (and only in the Journal) is really exciting to me. To fully realize this, we should unpack their .xo bundles *into their Journal entry directory*,  not

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-16 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: Hi! I've just finished two UI mockups for basic (!) version support in the Journal. The first one [1] shows just a previous and a next button like discussed on IRC. I've recycled the BackBar (with hover

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-17 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:23:16PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: 2. We proposed putting star icons at the left of starred entries in the list, making it easier to identify useful or otherwise important

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-17 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 09:10:58PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: In any case, I still lean in the direction of the second option, [...] OK, seems like that's a consensus. :) And with that, a here are a few

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-22 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:49, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 02:06:55AM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: [Mockups] The second one [2,3] modifies the date field to be a combo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: (note: I suggest below that we use caps-lock as the frame key) 2009/4/30 Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com Still think this is a tough, disruptive sell for very small gains. We should focus on getting activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 10:28:06AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi Martin, I was hoping the frame clock could be implemented as a device icon extension, so people could add it, remove it and customize it more

Re: [Sugar-devel] Limiting Object Chooser to specified MIME types

2009-05-08 Thread Eben Eliason
Actually, that's not entirely true. This was considered in the design for the object chooser, as can be seen here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Object_Chooser#03 In addition to specifying the generic type, the intent was to also allow a boolean which determined whether or not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Limiting Object Chooser to specified MIME types

2009-05-08 Thread Eben Eliason
PS. The upside-down Paint icon in that mockup is meant to indicate that there is some other activity which handles the SVG type, and this is a stand-in icon for that. Don't take it in a literal sense. Eben On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org wrote: Actually, that's

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Albert Cahalan acaha...@gmail.com wrote: James Zaki writes: Understanding hierarchical file structures use the concepts of containers and recursion with no limits (except for total capacity). It is not naturally intuitive, like a tree where branches get

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Labyrinth-7

2009-06-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Simon, On 1 Jun 2009, at 13:06, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 05/31/2009 08:56 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi folks, Latest version of Labyrinth, fresh out of the oven. == Source ==

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

2009-06-04 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I myself prefer the rays to dots which I feel too closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is possible (networks being connected to at

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

2009-06-04 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I myself prefer the rays to dots which I feel too closely resemble networks

Re: [Sugar-devel] #931 UNSP: Make keep ratio selection visible in the UI

2009-06-04 Thread Eben Eliason
I have no idea what you mean by keep ratio. Can you elaborate, please? Thanks! Eben On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:11 AM, SugarLabs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #931: Make keep ratio selection visible in the UI

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] personalisation and collaboration

2009-06-12 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 13:00, David Van Asschedvanass...@gmail.com wrote: Something has been in the back of my head for a while now, ever since I've seen the impressive capabilities of being able to share an activity with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Design review plea.. OLPC desktop switcher

2009-06-19 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm. For SoaS, I'm wondering why we're discussing this again after we made a choice just under the deadline last week. The issue is that the impression should last at least 3 seconds, and by being present during the dot

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Print Queue and Device Icon

2009-06-23 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Vamsi Krishna Davulurivdavul...@acm.org wrote: Eben, Thanks for replying, I have taken your suggestions into account and have made this. It now randomly 1) It takes a hash of the username for coloring     the icon Actually, I meant that the hash should be

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Print Queue and Device Icon

2009-06-23 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Hi Vamsi, On 23 Jun 2009, at 08:35, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri wrote: Eben, Thanks for replying, I have taken your suggestions into account and have made this. It now randomly 1) It takes a hash of the username for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: We have about 60 characters worth of blank space in every Journal entry. It would be a great help if we could display 40-50 characters from the description field for each entry on the main page. We could also drop off the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Michael Stonemich...@laptop.org wrote: Gary C. Martin wrote: I like the intent, but I don't think the activity centric view has concrete enough spec to consider implementing yet. I want to convince you that we actually have enough detail to make forward

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, Michael, you're in trouble now. ^_^ You risk reinventing the data-centric Ontology in an Object-Oriented Programming form. This is one of the worst sinks for time and mental energy that I know of. It saps the will,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Presence Service and Resume Behavior

2009-06-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: My GSoC project involves getting offline collaboration working. My model for this is that two users can join a shared session, then go offline, resume the session from the journal, continue working, and then

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Presence Service and Resume Behavior

2009-06-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: I know GroupThink does everything it can to prevent collisions, but with this we should also be thinking about the worst case. The intended baseline behavior (before we get into any fancy

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Presence Service and Resume Behavior

2009-06-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: I know GroupThink does everything it can to prevent collisions, but with this we

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-06-30 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:59:30PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: I would be interested to see this applied to a few dozen common workflows

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 09:43:38PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, in this week we want to talk about the Journal and datastore [1] improvements planned for 0.86. The Library activity [2] has shown some interesting

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 15:43, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, in this week we want to talk about the Journal and datastore [1]

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar Presence Service and Resume Behavior

2009-07-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 06:01, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Benjamin M

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: I guess you mean this one with object preview? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Designs/Journal#10 For audio objects we might even be able to add a simple playback functionality here. I like the preview idea -

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 09:48:23AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 09:43:38PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: We've been talking a lot about how datastore version 3 (?) should be structured.  I'd like to propose (purely to initiate discussion) that it be structured as follows: The datastore is a collection of

Re: [Sugar-devel] customizing activity launch (was Re: [IAEP] View Slides an alternative to PowerPoint?)

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 02.07.2009, at 18:40, Eben Eliason wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Bert Freudenbergb...@freudenbergs.de wrote: (moving to devel-list) Yes indeed, but we still have no obvious technical solution

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Walter Bender wrote: Presumably the objects themselves have unique ids, a la git, so that we can refer to the same object from multiple trees and by multiple users? (e.g., when I share something with you, it

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Walter Bender wrote: Use case: I send you a presentation that refers to objects in the datastore. I need to send you those objects too, but I would not like to have to use some additional layer of reference.

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Walter Bender wrote: Use case: I send you a presentation that refers to objects in the datastore. I need to send you those objects too, but I

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: Hmm, I think that only objects have titles and user editable metadata (tags/description, etc.). If I open Write, and name that Document in the usual way, that title should be associated

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: Hmm, I think that only objects have titles and user editable metadata (tags

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: I agree we send off the object without the history and action associations, and basically lives as the root of a new tree (new tree_id), and associated with an Received [object] from

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: Anyway, the subtler point here, just for the sake of stating it outright, is that sending an object to someone and sharing that activity with them are (as they should be) quite different

Re: [Sugar-devel] On datastore object IDs

2009-07-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: Having said all that, it now seems clear to me that what I'm actually concerned with is doing merges when v_x and v_y are the most recent versions belonging to the individual who resumes

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 2 Jul 2009, at 14:47, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: But in that case we should provide possibility to mark objects that can be shared(I guess sharing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 23:50, Gary C Martin wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 18:29, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 2 Jul 2009, at 14:47, Eben Eliason wrote

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Andrés Ambroisandresambr...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 03 July 2009 02:29:56 pm Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 2 Jul 2009, at 14:47, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Aleksey

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 01:29:56PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 2 Jul 2009, at 14:47, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:42 PM

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 3 Jul 2009, at 10:01, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal mock-up work in progress I had, early as possible, so here's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal feature request--more data in main display

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Aleksey Limalsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 06:13:24PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Aleksey, On 3 Jul 2009, at 05:25, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 04:29:47AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Aleksey was keen to see any Journal

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-03 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 4 Jul 2009, at 03:13, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: Devils advocate here, so just because someone was late to the realtime party, they don't get

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-04 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 2:00 AM, Andrés Ambroisandresambr...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 04 July 2009 12:31:48 am Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 4 Jul 2009, at 03:13, Eben Eliason wrote: snip PS. I think we need to come up

Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore redesign

2009-07-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:29:53PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Agreed. I have to say that your proposal is excellent, congratulations! Thanks, I'm flattered. :) Is the asynchronous API design useful

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal --- Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (2 July, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2009-07-06 Thread Eben Eliason
. Schwartzbmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: PS. I think we need to come up with some better terminology to distinguish between collaboration sharing and journal sharing. That would make this much easier to talk about. I've been using the terms object push and object pull. --Ben

Re: [Sugar-devel] Datastore redesign

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 16:33, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Sascha Silbesascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 12:29:53PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Agreed.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 9 Jul 2009, at 11:29, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Eduardo H. Silvahoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 05:41, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Eduardo H. Silvahoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: But are you meaning that we should name the current one Keep a copy and when

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 16:25, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul

Re: [Sugar-devel] Initial implementation of toolbars design

2009-07-11 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 11 Jul 2009, at 14:40, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 11:12:31AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: a) DESIGN: discuss the design further and get some mockups together, one question that came up is: do we

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