Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Groupthink 0.1 pre-alpha

2009-01-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 08:37:08PM -0300, Sebastian Silva wrote: I also love the name, Groupthink [...] *Grin* I love the irony of loving the ironic use of the pejorative name for an API that helps people exchange (by implication) different ideas. This kind of recursive irony (irony loop) is

Re: [Sugar-devel] jhbuild obsoleted itself:)

2009-01-19 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 05:15:53PM -0800, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:15 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I have just gone through the wiki and deleted the developmentteam/jhbuild/* pages:) These pages were created in around June of 2008 when jhbuild was

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84 Release Candidate 1 (0.83.5)

2009-02-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:28:40AM -0800, S Page wrote: (I cc'd the sugarlabs lists for repliers but am not on them.) Simon Schampijer wrote: Dear Sugar Community, This is Release Candidate 1 for the upcoming 0.84 Release - see [1] for more details. Only two more weeks to go in this

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] resume by default

2009-02-19 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 04:40:15PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 16:22, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: On 2/19/09, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: So, who agrees and who disagrees with changing the favorite view to resume activities by default? +0 I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Rainbow + Sugar?

2009-02-24 Thread Martin Dengler
--- Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: things that the activity developers can and can't do As an aside, I yesterday uploaded a simple activity to addons.sugarlabs.org. This activity runs on os767 and soas (afaik). Your post and this discussion made me realize that I hadn't had to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Rainbow + Sugar?

2009-02-24 Thread Martin Dengler
--- Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Backup, a far more useful and achievable solution to this problem. I don't see how Rainbow, something _working_ and pretty usable on my XO right now, is usefully compared to backup, a solution similar in specificity to the aphorism be careful and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Booting SoaS on a PC and on an XO with the same stick (Yes, it can be done)

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:54:27PM -0500, Ton van Overbeek wrote: While browsing the liveusb-creator source on https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/browser I noticed that it should be possible to boot SoaS directly on the XO. There are some tools to create a Soas image from either an .iso

[Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Dengler
For my OLPC/XO-1 laptop these days, I'm using the Sugar-on-a-Stick kickstart files[1]. I want my XO to boot fast, not because I boot it a lot, but because it boots really, really slowly right now. So I installed bootchart, changed olpc.fth to use it, rebooted, and voila, got this chart:

Re: [Sugar-devel] instructions for flashing SoaS on a XO

2009-03-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 03:46:37PM +, Gary C Martin wrote: Just for the record, as I don't have access to a regular F10 desktop**, I had a quick go trying to use these steps directly on an XO to create a .img and .crc to test with, but after several attempts I've been unsuccessful so

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows

2009-03-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 06:00:02PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: Hi all, I was musing on ways to ease demoing for Windows users, and I thought of something: why not leverage the work done by coLinuxhttp://www.colinux.org/? They already have prebuilt

[Sugar-devel] problems pushing to git.sugarlabs.org

2009-03-11 Thread Martin Dengler
Anybody having this type of problem? $ git-push -f [massive notice to users text snipped] Counting objects: 80, done. Compressing objects: 100% (43/43), done. Writing objects: 100% (77/77), 14.62 KiB, done. Total 77 (delta 43), reused 61 (delta 32) error: unable to create temporary sha1 filename

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] DC Photo Jam 2 - New batch of photos of SoaS running onnetbooks

2009-03-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 05:42:36AM -0400, John Watlington wrote: On Mar 17, 2009, at 5:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 04:48, John Watlington w...@laptop.org wrote: I would expect it to be faster on other processors. I don't think the processor is the biggest factor. In

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] aslo mockup

2009-03-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 07:22:42AM -0700, Josh Williams wrote: Hey everyone, I've created another mock up for aslo, that's more inline with the HIG, uses our color palette, and excludes gradients and rounded corners. Please let me know what you think.

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for keyboard configuration] We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest).

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround

2009-03-26 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 03:23:39AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI

Re: [Sugar-devel] Non-US non-XO keyboard (Was: 7 Meilen Stiefel or New Soas-2 image available)

2009-03-27 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:39:13AM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Thanks Simon, I have read the thread but it seems to apply to XOs only It applies to Soas. My Acer Aspire One has a French azerty keyboard and boots up SoaS-1 and SoaS-2, but I can't find a way for it to see the French keyboard [...]

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-27 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:48:00PM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: I have been doing FAT16 exclusively until today, but (if i'm not confused) the latest SoaS-2 which image failed to boot my XOs when formatted FAT16 succeeded when formatted FAT32. By the way when using the fedora liveusb-creator

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-27 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Sean DALY wrote: Windows GUI does a quick high-level format The issue is that one will probably significantly reduce the useful lifetime of the USB stick if you don't format the drive in a certain way (which way is unknown to me for FAT systems, though

[Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO issues for discussion

2009-04-20 Thread Martin Dengler
Sebastian and I had a discussion about SoaS builds being used on XOs. We wonder if anyone has any feedback or guidance on issues around SoaS builds being used on (the NAND of) XOs, like: * Should SoaS2's software artifacts include a XO-1 NAND .img/crc file? * Should Soas2's software artifacts

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Calculate 30

2009-04-23 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:57:52AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 02:38, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:19:45AM +0200, Reinier Heeres wrote: I guess we should include matplotlib to SugarPlatform-0.84 (seems it doesn't brake distro

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO issues for discussion

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
David, Thanks for the feedback. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:04:48PM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: * Should Soas2's software artifacts include non-Fedora (that is,  non-upstream) bits or yum repositories

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO issues for discussion

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:35:05AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: Of course.  That's why I'm asking these questions, since we know SL doesn't want to become a distro generator, but we're getting questions

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO issues for discussion

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
Martin, Thanks for your feeback. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:27:34AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: * Should an olpc-update-like mechanism be supported? [olpc-update is good because it's more robust than the alternatives] Robustness and the fact that hold down this key during boot to go back

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Resuming Snapshot Creation

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
I think you're looking for /home/liveuser/.Xclients: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/sugar.ks#line56 Martin pgpiJqKYCrsXk.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Resuming Snapshot Creation

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:29:21PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 24 Apr 2009, at 21:56, Martin Dengler wrote: I think you're looking for /home/liveuser/.Xclients: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/mainline/blobs/master/sugar.ks#line56 Thanks Martin, that's what I was looking

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start

2009-04-27 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:50:37PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: So SoaS, Jaunty packages, and sugar-jhbuild on Jaunty all fail in different ways. Not good. What versions of 0.84 actually work? SoaS works for me. Martin pgpCm4Y72lxgP.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start

2009-04-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:44:10PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:50:37PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: So SoaS,  Jaunty packages, and sugar-jhbuild on Jaunty all fail in different ways

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-04-29 Thread Martin Dengler
mode 100644 index 000..ea8dbb2 --- /dev/null +++ b/src/jarabe/frame/clock.py @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +# Copyright (C) 2008 Martin Dengler +# +# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify +# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by +# the Free

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:48:08AM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: OK, the grand unified proposal for these, after discussion on IRC and the above is: f,j,r,s,v,p,o - frame, journal, rotate, say, view source, screenshot (print), overlay (unimplemented) altshift[fjrsvp] = deprecated, but kept for

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 11:21:45AM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: 2009/5/1 Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 10:48:08AM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: alt[fjrsvp] = preferred method for above, discoverable through holding alt and reading the cheat sheet. F9

Re: [Sugar-devel] Keyboard shortcuts

2009-05-01 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, May 01, 2009 at 12:59:52PM -0500, Jameson Quinn wrote: I don't see how the alt keys are more consistent - I'll have to re-read the proposal and the definition of consistency. ctrl (and all modifier combos including it): application shortcuts alt: global sugar shortcuts

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-02 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 10:28:06AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi Martin, I was hoping the frame clock could be implemented as a device icon extension, so people could add it, remove it and customize it more easily. Why is it inside the shell instead? The code (clock.py) is in fact a device

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-02 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 10:49:05AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 10:28:06AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi Martin, I was hoping the frame clock could be implemented as a device icon

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-02 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 08:08:29AM -0400, p...@laptop.org wrote: sounds like there is, but to be sure: it's easy for people to remove or disable if they don't like having a stopped clock on their screen during idle suspend on an XO? The clock refreshes itself when the Frame is shown, so it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-02 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 07:43:36AM -0500, Jameson Quinn wrote: In other words, IMO this should be two patches: a clock device icon; and the ability to put device icons in lower left, lower right, or upper right. Fair enough. now-I-can-go-back-to-building-my-own-bikeshed-ly y'rs, ;)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-03 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 09:01:14AM -0400, p...@laptop.org wrote: sascha wrote: On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 05:39:21PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: [Clock behaviour in suspend] But I take your point...the answer is: no, it's not easy (with my simple patch). I'm not sure what

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-03 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 12:17:05AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 09:01:14AM -0400, p...@laptop.org wrote: given martin's point about the battery level, wireless strength, etc, all becoming stale as well, perhaps the best fix would be to always hide the frame during

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-03 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 05:36:12PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 10:49:05AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: I think Sugar should only officially support a clock in the devices tray. What FRAME_RELATIVE_POSITION would you like it in? [clock should be HH:MM

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on Fedora?

2009-05-05 Thread Martin Dengler
[cc'ing sugar-devel] On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 03:12:59PM +0500, Ashar Iqbal wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 08:06:07AM +0500, Ashar Iqbal wrote: The PCs I have are not able to boot off USBs. I need to install

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2009-05-03

2009-05-05 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 01:45:29AM +0200, Bastien wrote: - Update several XOs from another XO You mean http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Multicast_NAND_FLASH_Update#NANDblasting_an_Unsigned_NAND_Image_File ? - Run Sugar on a Nokia N800 N810 ok?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] versus, not

2009-05-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:26:31AM -0700, Alan Kay wrote: Tim Gallwey is one of the best teachers I've ever observed, and he had a number of extremely effective techniques to help his students learn the real deal very quickly Any links for the google-impaired? I just found loads of general

Re: [Sugar-devel] question about sugar on stick

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Dengler
for show it, where can I found the image archive something like /home/liveuser/... where is the image that apear at the begining that shows ths sugar logo?? thanks again Daniel -Mensaje original- De: Martin Dengler [mailto:mar...@martindengler.com] Enviado el: Martes, 05 de Mayo de

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.84-on-a-XO

2009-05-08 Thread Martin Dengler
/supportable process :) --A! Subject: Re: [Olpc-uk] OLPC UK Library Update 20090505 Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:58:44 +0100 From: Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com To: Christoph Derndorfer e0425...@student.tuwien.ac.at CC: olpc...@lists.laptop.org, h...@laptop.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [PATCH] add clock frame device

2009-05-08 Thread Martin Dengler
[ccing sugar-devel as well] On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 09:18:02AM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: The below patch adds a clock device to the frame: Thanks Martin, I have wanted a clock for a long time. Can we please have an idiots guide for installation? Unfortunately, you can't yet in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [PATCH] add clock frame device

2009-05-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 09:36:12AM -0400, p...@laptop.org wrote: is the choice of an analog clockface feasible? it's not like analog watches have gone away, and i'd think that on a learning platform, especially, that it would be a good option. I'll implement it as a curiosity (and of course

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [PATCH] add clock frame device

2009-05-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 08:10:54PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: A few thoughts. 1. I think that we need to show the leading 0 when the hour is a one digit number, eg. 08:07. Otherwise everything in the Frame is going to shift depending on the time. Only twice a day. I tried it with the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [PATCH] add clock frame device

2009-05-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 02:12:38PM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: The below patch adds a clock device to the frame: http://www.martindengler.com/tmp/screenshot_clock_device_frame-06_a6_a689bf1e-3f34-4da3-afed-aa910ab4f677.png http://www.martindengler.com/tmp

Re: [Sugar-devel] Logo

2009-05-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:54:50AM -0500, Andrés Arrieta Perréard wrote: Hi, I'm trying to modify the logo on soas that says Sugar at the boot. http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-May/014230.html Alphinux Martin pgpAlyrWoaaIP.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Marketing] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot Screen

2009-06-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 01:24:26PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo Christian - I myself prefer the rays to dots which I feel too closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is possible (networks being connected to at startup?)

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79 NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:33:12AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: outside bugtracker I'm not aware of the existence of any 802.11s USB adapters which could be plugged into a netbook for mesh. Why would you want one? Most netbooks have one of 802.11{a,b,g}, which will serve Sugar use cases

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Please help us choose a Sugar on a Stick boot animation sequence by tomorrow

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 07:07:17PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Ring of Dots http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#XO_Sugar_Boot_With_Overlap +1 pgpr0IzZ3cFPW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79 NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:20:41AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Hmmm this is an opportunity to display my ignorance and/or confusion, but my XOs usually just find each other on the mesh Unfortunately this 'just find' is actually a complex process involving a few different software components whose

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:53:06AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Intuitively, I would expect ASLO to be polled by Sugar machines... in clicking, I expect the machine to figure out all by itself what it needs to be up to date... Definitely, a good feature to have. I was just talking about what

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
--- sugar-update-control.spec |2 -- 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/sugar-update-control.spec b/sugar-update-control.spec index d5e16aa..09eda58 100644 --- a/sugar-update-control.spec +++ b/sugar-update-control.spec @@ -33,8 +33,6 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 02:09:16AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: Definitely, a good feature to have.  I was just talking about what existed right now in SoaS (which is: no working updater, AFAIK). The patch I just

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79 NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:46:07AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 10 Jun 2009, at 00:53, Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:20:41AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Hmmm this is an opportunity to display my ignorance and/or confusion, but my XOs usually just find each other on the mesh

Re: [Sugar-devel] meshing XOs with netbooks (WAS: Re: [Bugs] #79?NORM: SOAS should mesh network when possible)

2009-06-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:16:12PM -0300, Andrés Ambrois wrote: On Tuesday 09 June 2009 10:07:19 pm Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 01:46:07AM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: There's another 'non-mesh' option possible for the '3 kids under a tree' case. They will likely have

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] remove questionable deletion of key python __init__.py files

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:02:21AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I guess there's some other package that installs files in those dirs, thus the conflict. That is one of the cracktastic-est ways to resolve that conflict that I can think of :). I was told on IRC that the rpm has never worked, so I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:34:29PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I think that's a great idea - will be very helpful in identifying the classics. It'd be great if the classifications found happened to, or could be easily made to, be sensibly related to the classifications used for quite some time now:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:48:43AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Martin, First and foremost ASLO has to make sense to grade school kids and their teachers. Sure - I'm agreeing That's why I didn't care for GCompris as a category. I didn't see that as an issue. Now since we can give an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Dengler
I think we're in violent agreement: different taxonomies are great in that they can serve different needs [and we don't want to confuse anyone if we can help it]. pgpdksCQeiY9L.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 09:51:24AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: ultimately, the question is: are there (or not) Activities common to every, or nearly every instance of Sugar? This is Fructose: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Taxonomy#Fructose:_The_set_of_demonstration_activities If you keep asking

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] LWN article

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 09:17:36AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: [Re: ttp://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/336910/3878a88c0c27f977/ ] [...] A very key point to me is the essential critical thinking issue. In ten years or so there will be thousands of young adults who started out with Sugar who will be

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:55:51AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I guess I'm confused because for me, a set of demo Activities is not at all the same thing as baseline Activities included in every Sugar deployment. I agree they're not exactly the same, but I think that's probably because baseline

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 03:10:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list[...] 27 messages in this thread: http://n2.nabble.com/G1G1v2-Activities-td1096680.html thanks Sean Martin pgpokorRHRZMh.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] ASLO Suggestion

2009-06-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 02:47:45PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 03:10:49PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I actually don't think it's that hard to set a list[...] 27 messages in this thread: http://n2.nabble.com/G1G1v2-Activities-td1096680.html 20 comments on this ticket

Re: [Sugar-devel] testing composition for speeding up graphics performance

2009-06-16 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 09:50:03PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [test xcompmgr and] report any performance improvements when switching windows, sliding the frame in and out, and any other operations that involve redrawing parts of the screen. I see significant performance improvements on my XO

Re: [Sugar-devel] testing composition for speeding up graphics performance

2009-06-16 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 09:54:32PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: I've just tried xcompmgr on my XO with 0.82 (f9). [...] I have however noticed some artefacts on the top of the frame and the edges of Terminal (the activity where I started xcompmgr). They disappear after I restart an activity,

Re: [Sugar-devel] testing composition for speeding up graphics performance

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:39:30PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: I've put xcompmgr -a in my .xsession file I've had ti there for a while too. and everything works great. I haven't seen any artefacts anywhere in fact. Please change the volume from Terminal and observe the speaker icon's lack

Re: [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:28:58AM -0700, S Page wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: I'm very pleased to announce the first early preview of a new generation of SoaS XO-1 images. Excellent news, thanks! Put them on a USB key or a SD

Re: [Sugar-devel] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:40:31AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 17.06.2009, at 10:28, S Page wrote: Nooo, I want to keep my working 8.2.1 in NAND. Can I simply boot my XO from the USB or SD card? No, these images are meant for NAND install. For USB/SD we'd need yet another

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:41:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and someone else (marketing team?) takes the task of communicating it to end users? [...] I suggest transforming it into this instead: Beware of the target

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Show Must Go On - SoaS for the XO-1

2009-06-17 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 01:38:32PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 17.06.2009, at 12:56, Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:41:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: What if we developers only announce in developer-oriented forums and someone else (marketing team?) takes

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:28:09PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: [Sugar on a Stick] should [...] describe the medium by which sugar is delivered (a usb stick) Nowhere is there any mention of something distro specific, nor should there be. I'm amused that a few meme-weeks ago we had a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 08:26:53PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:45:45PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: can we please try and use the term SoaS slighlty more agnostically. Right now, every time its mentioned it always uses the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:16:44PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: I agree with much of what has been said. Sugar on a Stick should not be linked to any one distro. Laudable goal, but please don't underestimate how much work this is. I think Sebastian and David have an idea what's involved, but

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 01:50:00AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Martin - we worked out Flavors at the marketing meetings Ok. It'd be nice if there was a mail sometime stating that. I guess your one a few minutes ago was that mail. Sean Martin pgpKArskHMzKK.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick Branches

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
I've made some changes - hopefully acceptable to all but in case they're not I wanted to be up front about it to allow the appropriate steps to be taken. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 08:38:50PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: Done... On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:20 PM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting Sugar to run on certain mac chipsets

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 09:23:38AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Is there a way we can modify SoaS so that mac users don't have to [add nomodeset to the kernel command line] but it still works for everyone? Yes (SoaS could put nomodeset in its kernel command line). Also you/we/someone should

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 02:17:09AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm having difficulty with this launch (which was originally planned for three months from now :-) We're making it, but it's a pressure situation... It'd be nice was meant without its usual sarcastic implication, sorry. I did mean I

[Sugar-devel] FW: Current Stable OS Install

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
Good example of how to answer the question of what to say when introducing SoaS as an install option: - Forwarded message from Holt h...@laptop.org - Jacob Haddon wrote: Forgive the question. I've been digging through laptop.org and fedora wikis, forums and dev lists for this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clock in the frame?

2009-06-26 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 06:39:17PM +0200, Bastien wrote: Hi all, a request that I've heard a few times: have a clock in Sugar, maybe somewhere in the frame. Possible? Have a look at: Newest:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 07:57:37PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: I've just noted that the /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages folder does not include csnd.py. Given that csnd.py was there before you erased olpcsound, and after you erased olpcsound it was gone, I suspected that olpcsound is what

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap

2009-07-05 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 12:51:22AM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi everybody, so here it is, the Sugar on a Stick v2 Roadmap: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Roadmap Feedback is appreciated, and as we've just entered brainstorming phase, please go ahead and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 10:31:56AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: If people want to package and maintain those as .rpms, I don't see any problem with that. But if we don't have enough hands for that, the alternative I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Building strawberry from git

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 02:24:34PM -0500, Andrés Arrieta Perréard wrote: 2. pyabiword-0.6.3-1.fc11.i586 from fedora has depsolving problems Try adding the updates and updates-testing repos: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/devxo/blobs/xo-strawberry/soas-base.ks#line13 I just

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 09:03:24AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Hi everybody, so here it is, the Sugar on a Stick v2 Roadmap: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Roadmap Feedback is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity. That's not far from the truth, right? At least in any

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 02:03:06PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: As far as I understand it, Keep is useful for these types of scenarios: - you've done a lot

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: But are you meaning that we should name the current one Keep a copy and when we have versions add Keep? No, no. I'm urging that we name it Keep new version

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora

2009-07-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 05:24:22PM -0500, Philippe Clérié wrote: I hoped that there was a Fedora spin of sugar, but it appears that was folded into Soas. But Soas is not designed to be installed on a hard disk. What do you want on a Sugar Fedora spin besides what yum install sugar* gets you?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Correct use of leading underscores in Python?

2009-07-20 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:59:05AM -0500, Jim Simmons wrote: I don't want to start a religious war here, but I could use some guidance. In writing my Activities I have often copied and pasted bits of code from other Activities. For instance, the toolbars from Read and Speak. As a result of

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:24:13PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: However, I feel like it could be better if the community (who I might even stretch to call customers) could have more influence. [...] What are the options for the community having more of an influence here? Influence on whom?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:19:15PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: Sugar on a Stick currently [has Fructose Activities installed] from packages This has changed now in SoaS and F11-on-XO, which both now just use .xos for Fructose and other non-Glucose activities. Martin pgphc53u8MLGc.pgp

[Sugar-devel] I've fallen, and I can't get up (was: Re: [Marketing] press release opportunity...)

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 09:43:50AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: As I noted in the wiki page about this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust 2GB Sticks are $0.60 more then 1GB sticks. If it improves reliability its definitely

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] community influence on development

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:17:56PM -0300, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 28.07.2009, at 07:22, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:24:13PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: However, I feel like it could be better if the community (who I might even stretch to call customers) could

Re: [Sugar-devel] Additional data for corrupted SoaS

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:07:42PM -0400, Dave Bauer wrote: Some discussion on irc of possible solutions [to ext3 problems]: We should be using ext2, not ext3, in the future so that we don't have a journal to corrupt. But there's still a long way to go before we have a filesystem whose media

Re: [Sugar-devel] About the need for .xo bundles (again) (was Re: safer customization key (was Re: will the one true browse please stand up?))

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:10:59PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/1 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: They haven't solved the problems we want to solve and are probably not even interested in trying. I'm a bit suprised you are not aware of this, there was a whole session dedicated to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SoaS with SD cards irregularities

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:11:31PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote: The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. This is a very consistent pattern. I have 8

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