Re: [Sugar-devel] IDP security

2008-12-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a earlier thread, you said that IDP shouldn't be visible to the public internet. Why is this, and what can be done to secure the service? Good question - if a bit mixed up. Two separate things have been discussed. -

Re: [Sugar-devel] SVG performance

2008-12-14 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Well, if you put the images inside a directory named '$version-$lang', ... The other thing to be careful about here is atomicity: what happens if Exactly my thoughts. Any dynamically-rendered SVG imagery in Sugar and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notifications (Ubuntu initiative)

2008-12-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Morgan Collett morgan.coll...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Shuttleworth announced some work on notifications on Ubuntu: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253 - loads of comments about controversial aspects. after an initial panic (wtf!?, un-actionable and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: === Journal === Tomeu Vizoso has been doing a wonderful work of bringing the journal implementation closer to it's design.The Object chooser can now be filtered by data type. Cool, between this and the note

[Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -

2009-01-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: ===Topics=== c) Auto-authentication for Browse when visiting web-based tools on the XS it has registered to (guest speaker Martin Langhoff) First, *apologies* for the no-show -- I got confused between 14hs UTC

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: I meant it should have been optional, but if we switch to using the Closes: header in the body, where we have no size constraints, then we could has well use the prefix consistently. One important note WRT 'Closes'...

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Well, it's customary to introduce an additional state where the bug is fixed in the developer's intentions, but not yet QA'd: NEW - ASSIGNED - FIXED - CLOSED Bernie, 99% of my commits are working on it, mate ;-)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.83.4 Development Release

2009-01-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: You got distracted with shiny stuff! Rickrolled indeed :-) Is it possible for you to add a single file that says the journal storage version at the root of it? Something like $ cat

[Sugar-devel] Hints for a Sugar dev intro?

2009-01-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
The Wellington Testers team has been asking me for an intro to programming Sugar. So far, my strategy was to flee the country, but that trick's getting old... So I've been wondering - what materials would you suggest for a fast-track into Sugar development workshop. I am thinking of 2 half-day

Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -

2009-01-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: In terms of what to do with Browse.xo, I have a couple of rough ideas to propose. *bump* :-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't

Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.

2009-02-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:38 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I still believe the proper way to do this is to have a local offline cache. The protocol was explicitly designed to be easily cacheable. Because the use case looks like this: 1 - the XS has no way to know what

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=/iel5/4489030/4489031/04489571.pdf?temp=x I don't want adventure. I want something old and safe ;-) Maybe we can fake this with good old DNS lookups - but those will fail

Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:20 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: I don't understand your problem. How does the XS know what URLs to mask? For example, say the current version of Foo.xo (which the XS has) has a url of http://sugarlabs.org/activities/ in its metadata but _old_ versions

Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: pull it back on list), but while trying to follow this thread I'd been assuming one of the XS functions is as an http proxy cache server (squid or some such). This wouth then help reduce common internet traffic via

Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: How does the XS know what URLs to mask? Surely the URLs to mask are the source URLs of the .xo bundles in Hi Ben, The gotcha is described in the paragraph you snipped :-) right after my question. I try hard

Re: [Sugar-devel] Service announcement scheme - (Re: A small request.)

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 11:13 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: 802.11s is not simple, nor safe. lol. That's right. Now, you are talking about DNS-SD without mDNS. Spent some good time reading up on both, and DNS-SD sounds good for what we're trying to do. Everybody uses them

Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:46 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: Only works with HTTP -- that's why were are careful to make our protocols only use HTTP. Several of our protocols are http based, but not all. What I am stating is that for almost all protocols we need a service

Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.

2009-02-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 5:10 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: You failed to convince me. How (...)? All I can suggest is that you go back on this thread and read my email. Here's a clarification (I know my writing isn't always clear): the url in the metadata is not expected to

Re: [Sugar-devel] A small request.

2009-02-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 7:21 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Martin Langhoff All I can suggest is that you go back on this thread and read my email. Here's a clarification (I know my writing isn't always clear): the url in the metadata

Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -

2009-02-08 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Simon, Sugaristas, ... any comments on the topic? If I don't hear anything, I'm going to draft a patch for plan C, aka how I learned to stop worrying and love the plain http cookie. - cheers, martin On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu

[Sugar-devel] Minimal steps to start hacking on Browse.xo?

2009-02-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi! I found the git repo for Browse xo! Hurray! (finding things in github is hard work, or perhaps I managed to find the hardest path to it). Not being a Sugar dev, I want to do some light hacking on Browse.xo but I don't have a Sugar environment prepared to hack on it. How can I get going with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Thoughts? Opinions? Code? cheers, I wonder if it would not be best to generate a cert per user when we authenticate the first time with the XS and add this then to the cert8.db in the profile. This works fine -

Re: [Sugar-devel] Minimal steps to start hacking on Browse.xo?

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed that navigation is currently hard. I would love to see a new Gitorious splash page that just lists *all* the projects like GitWeb does, Yes! that'd be a big improvement. Or a search of some kind. As it stands, I had

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] activites known not to either work at all or not on certin platforms

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: I am dogfooding a bit with the Fedora SoaS. My Thinkpad X40 ... Excellent news. Here's to more SL'ers doing the same :-) Wearing my XSA hat, I want to get my hands on that second Sugar platform and test interop

[Sugar-devel] XFT emacs rocks on the XO...

2009-02-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
Stock F9 emacs isn't very usable on the XO screen, unfortunately. Lack of fonts and high dpi make it rather painful. After struggling a bit to get a comfy hacking/editing environment on my XOs, I ended up installing the precooked Xft-enabled emacs rpms, as per: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emacs

Re: [Sugar-devel] XFT emacs rocks on the XO...

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Samuel Klein s...@laptop.org wrote: Also, the XO ships with a very limited vim. yum install vim-enhanced has improved my part-time vim usage. can we fix this in the next refresh? how much extra space did it take? vim is useful. We do have vim-minimal, which

Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Plan C - Simple HTTP cookie Here is a rough cut on the plan C, against the tip of sucrose-0.82 - works on first execution of Browse - works on subsequent executions of Browse - adds the cookie entry if needed

Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: There is an underlying set of security utilities that belong to Mozilla (NSS Good info! I'll be quite happy to look into the toolchain you mention at a later stage, or to take patches from a motivated volunteer. I am

[Sugar-devel] Ignoring certain exceptions while debugging...?

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Having said that, there's a bug. The 'except' line in the patch should be a bare 'except:'. In my last patch, I mistakenly committed an 'except IOError:' instead of a bare 'except:'. I changed the exception

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar.profile.jabber_registered and sugar.profile.is_registered() are deprecated?

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Morgan Collett morgan.coll...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, way back we found that tracking is_registered was unreliable, Fair enough. However, a number of operations on the client side need to know whether Sugar thinks it is registered. Ask the server? Hmmm, no. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar.profile.jabber_registered and sugar.profile.is_registered() are deprecated?

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Morgan Collett morgan.coll...@gmail.com wrote: I mean if we need to reinstate the is_registered tracking, or something like that... I'm not sure of the status of the registration feature in 0.84 - all I can say authoritatively is that from a jabber server

Re: [Sugar-devel] Auto-authentication for Browse -

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:25 PM, Andrés Ambrois I might be missing something, but you're storing the laptop serial number instead of the pubkey inside the cookie (unless /ofw/mfg-data/SN doesnt stores a pubkey

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:47 PM, martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: When starting up, call seed_xs_cookie() to Hi Simon, Hoping for some review :-) . Do you think this patch can make it into the sucrose-0.82 branch? With a tad of elbow grease, it also applies on top of master. The reason I ask

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-12 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: When thinking about it a bit more - the big plus with your approach that it's only affects Browse - code wise, which is when back porting to 0.82 a big plus, actually maybe the only way. Bingo! I think you're

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Please find attached the patch against master. Looks good to me (but I know nothing of what's changed in master...) - i use the backup_url to see if we are associated with a schoolserver - why did you use the jabber

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] consequences of re-registering with XS

2009-02-13 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: To avoid this situation in future (should we ever run into it again, fingers crossed we won't), we are considering a small modification to the paraguay OS build which makes the Discard network history button also clear the XS

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] consequences of re-registering with XS

2009-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: I've come short of a nice patch (too many pressures at the moment, sorry) but I have shared our hack here: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/362 Looks reasonable... and hackish :-) Registration sets both backup server and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Our registration URL is REGISTER_URL = 'http://schoolserver:8080/', wouldn't the right Domain than be 'schoolserver'? Since the cookie is about the registration with the schoolserver this makes most sense to me (the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Well, your call - using the schoolserver url then? The fqdn from backup server or jabber server. Either will do until we fix the registration stuff. Well, it gets the core functionality. If a method can only throw

Re: [Sugar-devel] git.sugarlabs.org difficulties

2009-02-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: You should be using gitorious@ rather than vepla...@. Yes, it's awkward, but it's explained somewhere on the repository page. Internally, gitorious dispatches individual users by means of ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Ignoring certain exceptions while debugging...?

2009-02-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Is there a better way? Sorry about the late reply. I'm having trouble understanding the doubt, can you reformulate your question (if it's still valid)? Use case: I write my code, adding nice exceptions to handle all the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Ignoring certain exceptions while debugging...?

2009-02-17 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:26, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Is there a better way? Sorry about the late reply. I'm having

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-18 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: I take it you're happy to fix things up so that the 2 branches are reasonably in sync? Thanks! a git fetch from 'mainline.git

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Ok, I pushed to browse git master now. Do you have a way to test if it is working fine against a schoolserver or should I create you the 0.82 xo bundle? I have a git checkout - but on the 8.2.x so master won't work

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[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Create a HTTP Cookie to authenticate with the Schoolserver (Martin Langhoff)

2009-02-19 Thread martin . langhoff
From: Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org Re-edit of the patch, based on Simon's merge to master. --- webactivity.py | 66 +++- 1 files changed, 65 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) diff --git a/webactivity.py b/webactivity.py index e17d3b2

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Create a HTTP Cookie to authenticate with the Schoolserver (Martin Langhoff)

2009-02-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:21 PM, martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org Re-edit of the patch, based on Simon's merge to master. I cherry-picked Simon's patch, resovled minor conflicts, and edited as follows: - all gconf references are gone - grab

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] webactivity: seed the XS cookie at startup

2009-02-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Well, your call - using the schoolserver url then? The fqdn from backup server or jabber server. Either will do

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Rainbow + Sugar?

2009-02-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: In my view, it's up to the SugarLabs folks to use Rainbow or to drop it. I have tried to clear the way for them to use it on all the platforms they care about by simplifying it, by making it more generically useful, by

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Rainbow + Sugar?

2009-02-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: For the record, rainbow only describes the userland privilege isolation part. You're right. I conflated the overarching shadow of bitfrost with rainbow. My bad. I think this would have the effect of making rainbow much

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-104

2009-02-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: I would however want to do so for Debian. I'll test myself that bundle_id works with 0.82, That does not break anything. The underlying hulahop has changed and Browse reacted to that - that is why we can not provide

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to authenticate with the Schoolserver on non XO hardware was: (Re: Auto-authentication for Browse)

2009-02-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:06 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Martin, are there any plans yet on how to make the services of a school server available to non XO hardware? I'm certainly keen on supporting it. We'd need a uid scheme - what would be the best approach for this?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-100 (8.2.1 only)

2009-03-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 4:07 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: this is Browse for Sucrose 0.82 or OLPC 8.2.1. XO-bundle: http://shell.sugarlabs.org/~erikos/bundles/Browse-100.xo Fantastic - I had missed the announcement last week. Does this get published anywhere, like SL wiki or

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO bootcharts

2009-03-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:11 PM, p...@laptop.org wrote: now that it's been pointed out that most of the cat processes were from bootchart itself, i highly doubt there will be Heisenbug :-) even then, it does give you fairly good idea of what's up during boot. SoaS is meant to run on any hw out

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.84.0 Final Release

2009-03-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: this is the Final Release in our 0.84 development cycle [1]! Thanks to W ho! tomorrow morn - in some 12hs - the Welly testers team will be playing with the latest SoaS, which I understand is the best place to see

Re: [Sugar-devel] instructions for flashing SoaS on a XO

2009-03-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Glad to hear it works, I'm going to try it this weekend on my XO. Good that it works -- another option we can use. It's still an iso with an overlay however, which won't be happy on jffs2 and has a nasty memory footprint. Are

Re: [Sugar-devel] instructions for flashing SoaS on a XO

2009-03-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Wade Brainerd wad...@gmail.com wrote: Glad to hear it works, I'm going to try it this weekend on my XO. Good that it works -- another option we can use. It's still an iso

[Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-23 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi everyone, are there any pointers to how the SoaS build works? Is it using the Fedora livecd tools? Something else? more details below on what I am aiming for... cheers, martin -- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Mar 23, 2009

Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.com wrote: we're currently using some livecd-creator incarnation with this build script here [1] to get our live media created. But I don't know if you really want a live image being created. Cool. A live image will do,

Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: coming in off the cuff here, but have we looked at headless network appliance type machines as school servers? yes (well, duh ;-) ). Pros and cons discussed abundantly on server-devel ;-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com

Re: [Sugar-devel] print support proposal up and running!(uses moodle)

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/3/25 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri vamsi.davul...@gmail.com: So, here is an almost finished version of my Print Proposal minus the second community member remarks. ( cc Martin Langhoff please give me your views on this if possible) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support Looks good

Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: If only I knew where to find it... ;-) search the list archive for 'headless' and for 'xs on xo' for starters. Here is an example scoped to the correct archive:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/24 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri vamsi.davul...@gmail.com: Much appreciated! I have updated my proposal, that actually makes the process much easier. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support Also -- if your

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/3/25 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri vamsi.davul...@gmail.com: And I see your point for the alternative (no XO case), I will implement it ! Cool. Still makes sense to build it within moodle (those other users need to have a moodle account for many other things anyway...) Sounds like the plan is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri vamsi.davul...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, I will! In fact will be on it now. Thanks, btw while replying back here, do I add your email id to To or just send to sugar-devel? Up to you. I am on sugar-devel. If you send it to me as well as to

[Sugar-devel] Small bug in Browse.xo - downloading non-ascii urls

2009-03-26 Thread Martin Langhoff
Working on the 'restore' side of ds-backup, I am hitting a minor bug on Browse.xo. If I download a url where the filename has a non-ascii char, then I never get the 'Download started' dialog. So a url like http://schoolserver/caf%C3%A9 never gets the dialog. More importantly, the files I

[Sugar-devel] Journal oddity: metadata with no file?

2009-03-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
Working a bit on the restore angle of things, if I look at the metadata entries to build a restorable Journal Entry Bundle... well... in many cases there is no file to build it from. Is that normal. Expected? I am tempted to skip those 'Journal entries' as they have no apparent value. Do people

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal oddity: metadata with no file?

2009-03-30 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: I disagree. History and current location are the result of some research and Only if something useful is stored. I was wrong to point a finger to Browse - the culprit is Terminal. And we do end up with all

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-106

2009-04-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Kudos for the release! One note though: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: * Make sugarlabs.org the default homepage Um. This means that Browse out-of-the-box doesn't

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Desmottes Basically you have to install the gadget service, launch it (it's a separated process), modify your ejabberd.cfg as explained in the Gadget README and then restart your ejabberd. I suspect he's done that already... You can see if Gadget is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Gadget on XS

2009-04-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Guillaume Desmottes guillaume.desmot...@collabora.co.uk wrote: (CCing Daf who is the author of this Debian package). I suspect it's a small misunderstanding. It's a 'deb' package, (the collabora team is very good in making sure their software is available as .deb.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-106

2009-04-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote: Silly question, so I've added a link to http://schoolserver/ which will be a broken link unless you are in a school environment with a school server set to that name. Could distros (like SoaS, or XO targeted builds),

Re: [Sugar-devel] Local static page, final call for edits (Re: [RELEASE] Browse-106)

2009-04-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: My understanding is that we are going to be interested in providing other sugar-specific services than collaboration in a server, like backups. Yes - there's a lot more than collaboration on the XS. Backups, internet

Re: [Sugar-devel] Local static page, final call for edits (Re: [RELEASE] Browse-106)

2009-04-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: color-changing logo? Moreover, can't we use SVG (or SVGZ for extra compression), since those files are much smaller? Unfortunately not. Gecko doesn't do inline svg because it is a complex (and scriptable!) document type. At the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Local static page, final call for edits (Re: [RELEASE] Browse-106)

2009-04-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Yes, but it's still a misnomer. Nothing about this server ties it to a ... Sugar server? Mothership molasses? If we call it school and work on that as a loose metaphor -- as we do with online whiteboards and online chat, I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Naming of XS host (was: Re: Local static page, final call for edits)

2009-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: I like calling it just school. I believe school is metaphorically exactly what you describe as neighborhood, Caroline: The nearby location where learning experiences most often takes place. My position is exactly what Jonas

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Geza Kovacs gkov...@mit.edu wrote: the local Icecast streaming server over HTTP. Surely you must agree that that is possible? And very *quickly* saturate the available bandwidth :-/ Our deployment scenarios have lots of laptops. Groups of 20, 30 or even 50 kids

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:37 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Maybe with a little thinking up front it would be easier to see how All of that has nothing to do with me, David. And I am an experienced gsoc mentor. And that bit... includes sometimes saying: sorry, but there is a big

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz Agreed... which is why the correct solution is to use link-layer broadcast/multicast.  That way, the bandwidth usage is independent of the number of users, and only a single stream must be transmitted.  Farsight2 already supports link-layer

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-05 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu wrote: I'm not aware of any problems using UDP broadcast on 802.11abg.  Could you elaborate? Broadcast frames will be sent at the lowest speed -- IIRC, ot should be the lowest common speed supported by all associated

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Geza Kovacs gkov...@mit.edu wrote: Assuming I'm using Farsight2 to broadcast MJPEG video over multicast UDP, As I've posted earlier, for multicast frames you'll see the AP switching to the slowest transmission speed to increase the chances that all the nodes will

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal: Multimedia Broadcasting

2009-04-11 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Geza Kovacs gkov...@mit.edu wrote: According to http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/search/wrapper.jsp?arnumber=4292735 then the slowest transmission speed, Mode1 (6 Mbps) is only beneficial for multicasting over very large distances; in the case of the AWGN I am sure

Re: [Sugar-devel] Screenshot attached. Very rudimentary and will change with introduction of activity widgets eom

2009-04-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I'm forwarding this to sugar-devel. To respond: This gives me an idea of the student view. What about the teacher view? Can the teacher view multiple responses, or a random response, in real time? Is there

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bxl testing report - April 16th

2009-04-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 1:27 AM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com wrote: Sean, how are you doing in terms of connecting to the jabber server via jabber.sugarlabs.org? If you want to do a big collaboration session and exercise sharing some let us know when you are going to do it and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bxl testing report - April 16th

2009-04-19 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: If you plan to do that And making sure that the server is running ejabberd-2.0.3 with the latest round of my xs patches -- the one included on XS-0.5.2 m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org

[Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
(Cross posted to the Sugar list, I am hoping to discuss this stuff with the Sugar folks in Paris as well.) I've reviewed the XS 0.6 / 0.7 development plans, and one area that I have to address is service discovery: how does an XO figure out cheaply (in network RF terms) what services are

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: DNS-SD using unicast DNS seems reasonable to me too. If we can do without the avahi gunk, and use it in a way that is not optimised for user driven browsing but for automated selection of services, then it might work.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: testing backup and restore on SoaS

2009-04-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarded from sugar-devel, Are the backup scripts available? We have a script that allows us to register SoaS and we want to try the backup scripts with that. Grab them from the same place where you found the ejabberd pkg

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-20 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: Here's my understanding: I've read the damned specs, don't worry. I need help getting sh*t done because there's a lot of stuff to do. any takers? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: testing backup and restore on SoaS

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: I poked around in git on dev.laptop.org and found this http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/martin/ds-backup.git/tree/client It looks like the code is from last October. Are these the files I am looking for? Looks about

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:05 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: my initial reaction to this is that it's going to look to the client exactly the same as a bad guy trying to poison DNS by sending unasked for responses, how do the clients tell the difference? They can't. That's how DNS works. Lots of ink

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/4/22 Iñaki Arenaza iaren...@eps.mondragon.edu: I'm afraid that's not always true. Running Debian Lenny here without Paul, Iñaki, -- you guys are right. It also means that there's no point worrying about pushing extra records in the DNS responses. I've used tcpdump to dump DNS traffic

Re: [Sugar-devel] Notes on service discovery XS/XO

2009-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:46 AM, da...@lang.hm wrote: I believe this is exactly what has been done over the last few years in the DNS server/DNS cache software. they used to accept extra responses like you are trying to make, but nowdays they don't. As everyone pointed out, I was wrong about

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] 3D engine uses in a no-nonsense GUI (was: XO Gen 1.5)

2009-04-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: Imagine if it actually looked like the demo: http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=gallerypage=media_01 Exactly my thoughts. There are a couple of things we have to be mindful of as we step into the wild 3D

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO issues for discussion

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: Sebastian and I had a discussion about SoaS builds being used on XOs. Very interesting and timely discussion. The notes that follow are my (hopefully well informed) opinion only. No employers were involved or harmed

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO issues for discussion

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: Of course.  That's why I'm asking these questions, since we know SL doesn't want to become a distro generator, but we're getting questions that push us in those directions. I didn't know SL was trying to avoid

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS on XO issues for discussion

2009-04-24 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: It's normal that people think SugarLabs is shipping Soas and it doesn't work on the XO, are they abandoning their only user base?. I think we should be more careful in thinking where we spend the resources or we won't

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-108

2009-05-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
Hi Simon, Sugaristas, Dave Bauer was asking where could he find recent Browse.xo releases, and I did a bit of browsing and googling, and couldn't find it. Searching my gmail inbox worked, but this isn't very generalisable. - sugarlabs' list archive is not indexed by google? - activities

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-108

2009-05-01 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Browse would be the place to add improvements. If you go to sugarlabs.org - activities, search for 'browse', you land in http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4024 which

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Browse-108

2009-05-02 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 8:29 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Ahh, sorry I misunderstood.  Activities.sugarlabs.org does support multiple concurrent versions of an activity.  This is how amo updates addons for the various versions of Firefox.  I don't clearly understand how the

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