[Sugar-devel] Teaching typing and basic math on the XO (was: Re: [IAEP] How to Make Activity Designers Happy , Parts I and II)

2009-01-02 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 12:10:09PM -0800, Bryan Berry wrote: The Typing Turtle will be immensely useful and immensely popular in Nepal. A typing tutor is one of the most frequently requested programs by the Nepali kids and teachers alike. Thanks alot to Wade for working on it. Have you tried

[Sugar-devel] calculate broken in sugar-jhbuild

2009-01-11 Thread Sascha Silbe
Hi! calculate is broken in sugar-jhbuild (./autogen.sh not found). Where's the right place to report it? CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] calculate broken in sugar-jhbuild

2009-01-13 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:30:15PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: calculate is broken in sugar-jhbuild (./autogen.sh not found). Where's the right place to report it? http://dev.sugarlabs.org Thanks! Done [1]. [1] https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9190 CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/

Re: [Sugar-devel] feature freeze issue #3: resume by default

2009-01-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 02:45:54PM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote: Issues: We do not have a don't save those changes option. If you resume by default you could overwrite something you needed. So we loose the undo functionality. That sounds _REALLY_ bad. I remember looking at some versioning

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] feature freeze issue #2: making easier for people to title their activities

2009-01-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 01:02:57PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: [Close activity without saving changes] Perhaps we can add a secondary option to the Stop button for this instead, which forces a conscious decision before a dialog is needed. (This is fine, since the default is to keep

Re: [Sugar-devel] feature freeze issue #3: resume by default

2009-01-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 01:40:46PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: On Ubuntu we're not supporting jhbuild on hardy any more, due to newer dependencies that are only in Intrepid. Thanks for the info. Would be nice if there were a list of dependencies including versions. sugar-jhbuild build

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild on Debian/Ubuntu (was: Re: feature freeze issue #3: resume by default)

2009-01-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 02:28:59PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [wnck Python binding] The upstream package is named gnome-python-desktop. Thanks, that helped a lot! Will file a bug report about the sysdeps files missing that one later (currently collecting all those missing dependencies so I

[Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild on Debian/Ubuntu (was: Re: feature freeze issue #3: resume by default)

2009-01-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 02:28:10PM +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: [...] on hardy most activities don't start up. There are loads of tracebacks in the logs, including one complaining about misc missing in the journal module. You probably need to modify the sysdeps xml file in order to build a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working

2009-02-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 02:59:16PM +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: cat /proc/[pid]/maps | grep gconf 7fd77a69b000-7fd77a6d3000 r-xp 08:01 355522 /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4.1.5 7fd77a6d3000-7fd77a8d2000 ---p 00038000 08:01 355522

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working

2009-02-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 03:32:23PM +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: This is why it's failing... It should use the libgconf inside sugar-jhbuild/install. Then why does config/sysdeps/ubuntu-8.10.xml list gconf and python-gconf as dependencies? Do some parts of sugar use the system-supplied

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working

2009-02-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 03:35:41PM +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: ./sugar-jhbuild shell ldd /usr/lib/python-support/python-gconf/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gconf.so linux-vdso.so.1 = (0x7fffea1fe000) libgconf-2.so.4 = /usr/lib/libgconf-2.so.4 (0x7f35e1c02000)

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working

2009-02-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:08:18PM +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Then why does config/sysdeps/ubuntu-8.10.xml list gconf and python-gconf as dependencies? Do some parts of sugar use the system-supplied ones and others the privately installed ones? It sounds like a bug in the sysdeps.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working

2009-02-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 04:35:06PM +0100, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: It seem to be ignoring the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. Anyone have ideas on what could be the reason? From info ld: `-rpath DIR' Add a directory to the runtime library search path. This is used when linking an ELF

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working

2009-02-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 08:29:50PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: According to that document it seems like LD_LIBRARY_PATH should override rpath anyway... I am no expert in this - just happened to know that resource - both to understand rpath mechanism and problems better, and referring to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting sugar-jhbuild run working

2009-02-10 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 07:07:02PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: [Ubuntu python-gconf has RPATH setting] If this turns out to be the case, you should probably file a bugreport against Ubuntu. Done. [1] [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-python/+bug/327671 CU Sascha --

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] FlipSticks-2

2009-02-11 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:17:08PM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: == Source == [...] == Bundle == [...] == NEWS = [...] Feature request: please add a link to a description of the activity (e.g. [1] in this case) to release announcements. Even better: add a short description (e.g. the Summary

[Sugar-devel] Supported methods of starting Sugar

2009-02-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
Different documents and even parts of documents show different ways to run sugar. Some examples: 1. sugar-jhbuild run [1] Won't work with up-to-date sugar-jhbuild (I'm using sugar-jhbuild run sugar-emulator instead, but couldn't find it documented anywhere). 2. path/sugar-jhbuild run

Re: [Sugar-devel] buildbot failure in Sugar Labs Buildbot on log-activity-Fedora10

2009-02-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 10:12:00AM +1800, David Farning wrote: Sascha, please note this is a common problem with open source projects. If you show competency, you are at risk of being asked to assume authority and responsibility for something:) Well, can't say I didn't see it coming. :) I'd

[Sugar-devel] Sweet Phone

2009-02-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
Since I finally managed to get Linux working on my phone (using Debian/armel), I couldn't resist installing Sugar on it [1-4]. No, it isn't really usable - only 64MB of physical RAM [5,6] means swapping ~30MB to SD just to start Sugar (no activities running). Sugar isn't

Re: [Sugar-devel] Supported methods of starting Sugar

2009-02-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 12:25:37PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: If you're running Sugar within a GNOME session, run sugar-emulator for installed Sugar packages, with the optional SUGAR_PROFILE. You shouldn't run sugar under a regular GNOME session. That one's clear, as there's already a window

Re: [Sugar-devel] Supported methods of starting Sugar

2009-02-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 11:53:48AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: If you're logging in to Sugar directly from gdm, then it should run sugar. ^^ what's it? or did you mean you? From gdm you can only pick a gdm item, not a binary directly. So Ubuntu contains some script that's run

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Reduce default emulator resolution to 1024x768

2009-02-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:22:50PM +0100, Bernie Innocenti wrote: if dimensions is not None: cmd.append('-screen') cmd.append(dimensions) -elif gtk.gdk.screen_width() 1200 or gtk.gdk.screen_height() 900: +elif gtk.gdk.screen_width() DEFAULT_WIDTH or \ +

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work

2009-02-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 08:56:41PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: Since dependancy installation is not something most children can do, If we reach that point, we've already failed (IMO). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] addons.sugarlabs.org is starting to work

2009-02-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 08:42:16AM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: Since dependancy installation is not something most children can do, If we reach that point, we've already failed (IMO). I meant from an administrative perspective. -v, please? CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/

Re: [Sugar-devel] Running jhbuild on Debian Unstable and Ubuntu Intrepid

2009-02-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:32:46AM -0200, Andrés Ambrois wrote: sudo chrpath -d \ /usr/lib/python-support/python-gnome2/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gconf.so Some other libraries need to be fixed as well. The following invocation did the trick for me: find

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Reduce default emulator resolution to 1024x768

2009-02-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 03:59:22PM +0100, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Since using Sugar in a window does not actually make sense for users, we might as well change the default of sugar-emulator to go full-screen by default, and make sugar-jhbuild invoke it with the 1024x768 window for developers.

[Sugar-devel] sugar.datastore

2009-02-20 Thread Sascha Silbe
After I fixed the Python search path in Pippy, I'm trying to get the data store part of the Slideshow example to work (it doesn't return any objects though there are JPEGs in the data store). pippy.query seems outdated (uses direct DBus access, datastore is complaining about invalid

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar now has smoke test procedures.

2009-02-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 02:30:42PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: Will try to go through the whole lot and take notes. Was a lot less work than I assumed it would be. Here are my (few) notes: #19/20: battery indicator not available on desktops; should have used buttons instead of Frame before

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Rainbow + Sugar?

2009-02-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:24:37AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2008-December/010528.html Thanks for your work! I sure hope it'll get used instead of dropped, it's the #1 reason I looked into Sugar in the first place and the one thing I miss

Re: [Sugar-devel] Future of Rainbow + Sugar?

2009-02-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:29:57PM -0500, Wade Brainerd wrote: I'm not clear why Sugar needs more protection from rogue activities than a normal desktop environment has from rogue applications. It's not that Sugar needs more protection than currently existing desktop environments, but rather

Re: [Sugar-devel] New Sugar on a Stick image available

2009-02-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:15:04PM +0100, Simon Schampijer wrote: Get it [1] when it is still sticky! Just gave it a try: - only US keyboard default - if I enter the wrong password 3 times (e.g. because of keymap differences :) ), boot will continue and directly show the Sugar desktop,

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 01:58:30PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: As I understand it, this cannot be so simple because it needs to be a bootable image, and not just a set of files. What about raw disk images that could be written with dd? No need for any fancy GUI stuff, a single command line

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:01:15PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: This assumption, however, excludes the Windows-using majority. Only if it's the only option, which wasn't my intention. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 03:30:00PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: 1) Download the SoaS file for [windows] [linux] or [mac] 2) Plug in a USB drive that's 1GB or larger 3) Click the thing that's named/looks-like 'X' to make your Sugarstick Part 3 is the interesting one. To make a USB stick

Re: [Sugar-devel] easier installation of soas

2009-03-01 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 04:25:00PM -0500, Luke Faraone wrote: Wait, isn't SOAS just a bunch of files on a stick? AFAICT, they don't modify the underlying FS (or at least Ubuntu's liveUSB creator doesn't). It can't be just files, otherwise it wouldn't be bootable. For that, the boot sector

Re: [Sugar-devel] RAM DoS

2009-03-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 05:25:50PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: But unfortunately most Sugar installations other than XOs will lack bitfrost, which is a wider issue that merits further investigation: Should sugar adopt bitfrost? IMO Rainbow (the current implementation of process/activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] RAM DoS

2009-03-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 06:35:59PM -0400, Luke Faraone wrote: IMO Rainbow (the current implementation of process/activity isolation) should be integrated into Sugar and made mandatory. At the very least it should be optional, though. I.e. just installing Rainbow should suffice to make your

Re: [Sugar-devel] RAM DoS (was: Re: Fwd: Activity startup idea)

2009-03-09 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Mar 09, 2009 at 10:22:06PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: The most simple thing to do would be limiting segment sizes. Just noticed that my understanding of memory management on Linux was too naive (didn't realise that in all those years of administering servers - D'oh!). Limiting

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows

2009-03-10 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 09:26:59PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: So, the principal difficulty with using coLinux with Sugar is that it uses a Windows-side X server, which provides its own window manager. We need to use our own, custom-configured window manager, in order for the GUI to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Running sugar at almost-native speeds in Windows

2009-03-12 Thread Sascha Silbe
Removed iaep from CC as I we're just talking about technical details without educational impact now. On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:44:32PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: [Sugar _does_ work (natively) over an ssh tunnel] Are you using the sugar-emulator command? Usually, but I've also run

[Sugar-devel] Linux performance without swap (was: Re: [IAEP] DC Photo Jam 2 - New batch of photos of SoaS running onnetbooks)

2009-03-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 12:58:29PM +, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 05:42:36AM -0400, John Watlington wrote: I doubt the speedup is due to the presence of swap. Didn't get the original mail (yet), so replying to this one instead. I don't know if the issue is already fixed

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild usage

2009-03-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 02:59:18PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: I got sugar-jhbuild to compile on Ubuntu for the first time, but I don't understand how to use it properly. It has picked up all of the packages I installed for the Ubuntu packaged version of Sugar, If I understand you correctly,

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to build from source?

2009-03-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:42:55AM -0500, Ivan Pulido wrote: Hey, Im trying to build Sugar enviroment from source for ArchLinux. So i cant use jhbuild as it is to do this. If you'd like to use sugar-jhbuild (i.e. try out the latest features breakages), you could take a look at one of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Curent SoaS results

2009-03-23 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 08:27:28PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Soas1 - http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/1/Soas1-200903191225.iso Does not boot - /dev/root error. Without the exact error message I cannot be sure, but increasing rootdelay (or adding it if it isn't already there,

[Sugar-devel] IMPORTANT: sugar-jhbuild: security update of xulrunner

2009-03-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
Hello! Short summary: If you're using sugar-jhbuild on Debian, please run cd sugar-jhbuild rm -rf source/mozilla source/hulahop install ./sugar-jhbuild build before using anything web-related the next time. Otherwise (i.e. not running on Debian), please make sure

[Sugar-devel] Sugar on various distros (was: Re: IMPORTANT: sugar-jhbuild: security update of xulrunner)

2009-03-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 01:35:23PM -0500, David Farning wrote: I have been trying to dog food Sugar on Jaunty. At least sugar-jhbuild is currently broken on a standard Jaunty install due to a major bug Ubuntu introduced to Python distutils. For now, only Ubuntu Intrepid and Fedora 10 work out

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on various distros

2009-03-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 09:07:04PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: What workarounds? Using Python 2.5 instead of Python 2.6 in Ubuntu Jaunty by changing the symlink /usr/bin/python (*), using python-gobject from sid as the one in squeeze is too old. The new one has passed the 10 day incubation

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on various distros

2009-03-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:08:24PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: (*) Really bad hack, will break updates of unrelated packages in very interesting ways. I must admit that I have little sympathy for Ubuntu when it breaks due to running ahead of Debian. As I consider to be the case here. While

Re: [Sugar-devel] jhbuild hangs

2009-03-24 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 06:05:28PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote: It seems you are missing some undeclared dependencies. There should be no undeclared dependencies. If you find any, please file a bug against sugar-jhbuild on dev.sugarlabs.org. Try adding libpopt-dev, zip, unzip, python-gnome2,

[Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild on Ubuntu Jaunty supported (was: Re: Sugar on various distros)

2009-03-25 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:02:18AM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/338395 Seems fixed now... Fix got released finally (either yesterday or the day before); with the latest sugar-jhbuild (now including Python 2.6 support) Ubuntu Jaunty

Re: [Sugar-devel] jhbuild error--pyabiword not found

2009-03-27 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 01:55:01AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: *** error during stage checkout of pyabiword: ## Error running wget http://www.sugarlabs.org/~marco/jhbuild/pyabiword-0.6.1.tar.gz -O Please update your copy of sugar-jhbuild. If git pull doesn't do anything, you're

[Sugar-devel] jhbuild xsession example (was: Re: jhbuild error--pyabiword not found)

2009-03-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:16:18AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: When/where did I say what? If it is somewhere in the wiki, we should correct it. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Jhbuild#Creating_an_xsession_for_Sugar-jhbuild CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild--Sugar does not start

2009-03-29 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 08:32:59PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list! [...] You can ignore all of these. 1238295002.6098101 STARTUP: Starting the shell Sounds fine. The X basket weave background appears, with a

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild--Sugar does not start

2009-03-29 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 02:01:11PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: 1. Ensure no RPATH has been set on libraries used by sugar-jhbuild; see [1] for instructions. Check. Strange. From the error message below, I would have bet it's the RPATH issue. Can you try the following please? 1. find

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild--Sugar does not start

2009-03-29 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 03:29:50PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: [send log files] Will do. OK, python-gconf (/usr/lib/python-support/python-gconf/python2.5/gtk-2.0/gconf.so) is the culprit. Seems I've reported it upstream [1] (supposed to be fixed in jaunty by now, but not in intrepid which

Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild--Sugar does not start

2009-03-30 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:07:01PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: Xephyr cannot open host display. Is DISPLAY set? This is getting rather interesting (i.e. very strange). How exactly did you invoke sugar-emulator? What happens for the following commands? 1. Xephyr :100 -ac -screen 1200x900 -dpi

[Sugar-devel] Naming of XS host (was: Re: Local static page, final call for edits)

2009-04-02 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 11:25:09AM -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: School, on a metaphorical level, is a place where learning happens, where children go every day, form a group, community, play, exchange, wrestle, eat, interact, etc. While it's a good idea at the metaphorical level, school has a

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC proposal: version support for data store and Journal

2009-04-03 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Apr 02, 2009 at 05:36:41PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: In all of our preliminary designs, we actually proposed that branches be flattened from the perspective of the user. That is, the most recent head of any branch in a tree is the canonical version which appears as the most recent

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC proposal: version support for data store and Journal

2009-04-03 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:30:47AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: (only short answer and possibly last for today as RL is calling) What if your GSOC application focuses on the backend (datastore) and I do the modifications needed in the UI? That's certainly not a bad idea. The proposal only gives

[Sugar-devel] Wanted: Servers for build farm

2009-04-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Hi all! As you might know, Sugarlabs is running a network of build machines for automatic and manual building of Sugar (on several distros) and SoaS (on Fedora). There are plans to integrate this with further automatic tests (e.g. SugarBot [1]) and even ideas like integration with aslo for

[Sugar-devel] Binary Blobs (was: Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Heart Rate Monitor Peripheral)

2009-04-08 Thread Sascha Silbe
Note: Follow up from a discussion on iaep. On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 08:31:15AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: (At one point, Sascha had helped me include a script that would build the appropriate binaries at install time, but that solution depends upon a build environment be installed, which is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Binary Blobs

2009-04-08 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 03:23:22PM -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote: One proposal is to have a build machine which supports cross compiling all our supported architectures, which can compile the blobs. Then we include all the blobs inside the .xo bundle. This is like what OSX does with Application

Re: [Sugar-devel] Binary Blobs

2009-04-08 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 10:18:37PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: One way to do this is to simply append the config.guess output, which would result in lib-i686-pc-linux-gnu on my box ... That's a good start (and even more than my PoC code for TA does), but not enough. Unfortunately code

Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions

2009-04-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:35:08AM +0200, Bastien wrote: I rebuild Sugar with sugar-jhbuild. Do you mean that you have installed Glucose using a) distro packages AND b) sugar-jhbuild? Because of some hacks used by sugar-jhbuild, it's a bad idea to do that and I recommend to uninstall the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Jukebox 8 and 0.82

2009-04-16 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:09:05AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Teachers in olpc-sur are asking about alternatives to mplayer, that doesn't seem to work in 0.82. FWIW, the mplayer binary itself works fine on the XO, it's just the wrapper that's broken (so it might be easy to fix). CU Sascha

[Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-16 Thread Sascha Silbe
Hi! I've just finished two UI mockups for basic (!) version support in the Journal. The first one [1] shows just a previous and a next button like discussed on IRC. I've recycled the BackBar (with hover effect on the buttons instead of the bar) for that since it seemed to be a good fit (it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:23:16PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: 2. We proposed putting star icons at the left of starred entries in the list, making it easier to identify useful or otherwise important versions amidst a potentially long version history at a glance. (This, of course, assumes

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 07:50:07AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: I don't think you'll need a custom widget. Just setup the model correctly and it should all work. Check out this thread. It has some pointers on how to make things work correctly, and some source code is included at the bottom of

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 07:56:05AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: You don't need a CanvasIcon to colorize, I don't think. We support colorizing icons in menus, which behave similarly to comboboxes I'd think. Anyway, colored would be preferred. I'm afraid ComboBox and menu items are handling images

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO Gen 1.5

2009-04-17 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:41:44PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Awesome news, now we don't need to worry about performance any more :p Except for the loads of existing XO-1s that will continue to be used for quite some time. :) Yes, I'm sure you thought about it - but I guessed a reminder to

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO Gen 1.5

2009-04-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 03:17:02PM +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Devices that are lower powered than the XO-1 - does such a thing even exist? ;-) See [1-4] :) Modern phones (called smartphones) are full-featured general purpose computers (at least the hardware - vendor lock-in is a

[Sugar-devel] IMPORTANT: sugar-jhbuild: upstream jhbuild migrated to new location

2009-04-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
Hi! The upstream part of jhbuild has been migrated (by GNOME) to a new location, so if you've got a copy of sugar-jhbuild, you need to follow. I'm sure there's a proper git way to do it, but for now it's easiest to just rm -rf jhbuild and let ./sugar-jhbuild update fetch it from the new repo.

Re: [Sugar-devel] IMPORTANT: sugar-jhbuild: upstream jhbuild migrated to new location

2009-04-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 05:25:19AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: Updating upstream jhbuild... Already up-to-date. Doesn't look like you've removed the jhbuild directory (i.e. /home/mokurai/dev/sugar-jhbuild/jhbuild in your case). rm -rf won't print an error message if the directory you're

Re: [Sugar-devel] IMPORTANT: sugar-jhbuild: upstream jhbuild migrated to new location

2009-04-19 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:03:39PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: I'm sure there's a proper git way to do it, but for now it's easiest to just rm -rf jhbuild and let ./sugar-jhbuild update fetch it from the new repo. Just noticed that ./sugar-jhbuild update will try to fetch the jhbuild repo

Re: [Sugar-devel] IMPORTANT: sugar-jhbuild: upstream jhbuild migrated to new location

2009-04-20 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:56:50AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: I get to log in, but Sugar doesn't come up. Which logs would you like to see? ~/.sugar/default/logs/shell.log for a start. IIRC, you're starting sugar as a new X session (instead of using sugar-emulator inside a running session),

Re: [Sugar-devel] Print Support (journal vs activity)

2009-04-21 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 05:56:59PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: I think we should solve our printing problem by extending this list to a few more common formats.  Add in python source and the Open Document Format, and we're pretty much done.  There are very few Activities that generate

Re: [Sugar-devel] UI mockups for version support in Journal

2009-04-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 05:47:08PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: I'm afraid ComboBox and menu items are handling images differently: GtkImageMenuItem supports GtkImages, but ComboBox only pixbufs. s.g.Icon implements GtkImage and draws using cairo, not pixbufs = not usable inside ComboBox

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start

2009-04-26 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: o The cyrillic font and hal error messages appear to be irrelevant, as they are in sugar-jhbuild. I wouldn't mind seeing them fixed, though. Those are in Xephyr, there's nothing we can do about them, unfortunately. You might want

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start

2009-04-27 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 02:34:21PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: o The culprit appears to be a security setting in config/dbus that prevents Xephyr from accessing the display. Does anybody know where this setting is, and what it should say instead? I've changed the wiki to remove Ubuntu Jaunty

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Ubuntu 9.04 will not start

2009-04-27 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 01:32:34PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: I'm not clear on the nature of your problem. When running Ubuntu Jaunty _within_ KVM (i.e. as a guest, not as a host) the X server does not work, at least if the vesa emulation option is used (to get screen resolutions 1024x768

[Sugar-devel] SD card / USB stick support (was: Re: [IAEP] Project Gutenberg, etc.)

2009-04-30 Thread Sascha Silbe
Following up on a discussion on iaep... On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 04:10:59PM -0500, James Simmons wrote: The SD card cannot do everything the Journal can do, [...] This is something that we should fix. The way the SD card / USB stick support works (in Sugar 0.82.1 on the XO) has bugged me for

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] add clock to frame

2009-05-03 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Sat, May 02, 2009 at 05:39:21PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: [Clock behaviour in suspend] But I take your point...the answer is: no, it's not easy (with my simple patch). I'm not sure what the behavior should be (hide on idle?!, come out of suspend once a minute?!), really. With the XO

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] The User experience/interface for Printing

2009-05-04 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 04:44:33AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: Sending the docs to cups-pdf for conversion and then talking to Moodle for teacher review can be done via /usr/bin/lpr, But that would sidestep the Journal and prevent review of the actual output (i.e. what it looks like on paper,

[Sugar-devel] Quoting in shell scripts (was: Re: [sugar-devel] Recent fiddlings with Print Support)

2009-05-13 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 01:03:26PM +0530, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri wrote: Okay, so here's the latest dope. I hope you don't mind me pointing out a few oversights in your script publically. The main reason is that I want to remember others (e.g. GSoC students) to be careful about quoting - a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:29:56PM +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. That must have been quite some time ago as sugar-jhbuild does detect the distro

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 01:29:12PM +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: I am talking about this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Jhbuild/Fedora I'm assuming you're talking about the Prerequisites section. There are two answers to your question: 1. (sugar-)jhbuild needs a certain set of

[Sugar-devel] Tracking upstream versions with sugar-jhbuild (was: Re: Simplifying sugar-jhbuild)

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:03:09AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of external projects. They break very often, and we cannot fix them.  Let's instead upgrade manually every once in a while after some testing. We are supposed to be doing this already,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 08:28:07PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: xulrunner now fails to build with gcc 4.4 (in F11) because of a tiny error in an #elif directive. Is there a way in jhbuild to apply patches to sources? Take a look at the telepathy-gabble definition. Other modules try to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 08:41:40PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: No need to do that for all users, we can do it distro by distro. I think that each distro in jhbuild should have its maintainer, as Sascha cannot run all of them. Currently I am (running an instance of all supported distros), but

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 01:34:20PM +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: For example by autodetecting the Linux distro, it could create a full command line. Of course, if it could be automated then it should just say something: The following dependencies are missing: long list here. To install them, type

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 02:47:22PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Also, maybe what we need is better documentation rather than big changes that bring new problems? What kind of documentation are you thinking of? Something like what we currently have, only that addressing the points recently

Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild

2009-05-22 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 03:45:04PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Support for Fedora 11 was missing in sysdeps. I pushed a patch adding it. Thanks! The way Fedora versioning works is starting to get annoying (I had to add Fedora 10.93 just two weeks ago). Maybe we should add some kind of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions

2009-05-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:25:26PM +0200, Bastien wrote: ./sugar-jhbuild depscheck doesn't advertize the need for python-distutils-extra. Recent bug reports about this: [...] I got knocked out by a major infection imported from SugarCamp/Paris. About the same time (starting just before

Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions

2009-05-28 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:35:20AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: However, I had to invoke 'force checkout' several times, because of missing .git directories. Interesting. Where exactly? TurtleArt or something else? setxkbmap us You mean you can run this command inside Terminal inside

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse broken on sugar-jhbuild?

2009-05-29 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 05:32:27PM +0200, Bastien wrote: I'm having hard times using Browse on ./sugar-jhbuild It reguarily crashes, especially when browsing a mediawiki page. On what kind of hardware? XO by any chance? Which distro (incl. version)? CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/

Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions

2009-05-30 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 02:03:04PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: However, I had to invoke 'force checkout' several times, because of missing .git directories. Interesting. Where exactly? TurtleArt or something else? Four or five times. Unfortunately, I did not make notes. OK. Please file a bug

Re: [Sugar-devel] Running Sugar with sugar-jhbuild - questions

2009-05-30 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:37:56AM +0200, Bastien wrote: What is the equivalent of the .xession when running Sugar from ./sugar-jhbuild ? The thing closest to being an xsession equivalent is ~/.sugar/debug. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-06-01 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Mon, Jun 01, 2009 at 11:38:05AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: I've found an ordinary desktop PC (with Phoenix Award BIOS 6.00PG) that won't boot off a USB stick created by livecd-tools-024 with syslinux (tested both versions 3.75 and 3.81). The boot process drops to the boot: prompt with an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GSoC] progress report

2009-06-04 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 05:31:03PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: I am not knowledgeable about the present state of D-Bus isolation in Rainbow, but if it is insufficient it should be fixed in Rainbow, not in the browser. The bigger problem is that there's no (working) rainbow support at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Unbootable machine

2009-06-04 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 03:57:05PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote: Thanks, Peter. I think we should document this tip in the Sugar on a Stick wiki page and perhaps change the Fedora livecd-iso-to-disk script to create the MBR with parted rather than fdisk. You could also just tell fdisk what

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