Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:28:09PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote:
 [Sugar on a Stick] should [...] describe the medium by which sugar
 is delivered (a usb stick) Nowhere is there any mention of something
 distro specific, nor should there be.

I'm amused that a few meme-weeks ago we had a discussion which implied
the other side: Sugar on a Stick meant a solution including not only
a specific distro's livecd .iso filesystem, but also a set of best
practices for running a Sugar-based curriculum, Sugar documentation
manuals, Sugar teacher training guidelines, XS-based (or -like) backup
solution, wireless network topology guidelines, and educational theory
suggestions.  Quite the other side of a spectrum from some source
code from git.sugarlabs.org put on a USB stick with no partition
table, which I think you're saying is perfectly reasonable :).

 I am actually quite surprised that this discussion is coming up on a
 mailing list that is very open source based.  Taking ownership of a
 very generic term goes against the philosophy/politics of open
 source in general.

This has nothing to do with open source as defined by its creators:
http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd .  I think you're saying
appropriating a general term to disenfranchise a constituency is
unfair and inconsistent with everyone's peer-imposed duty to take a
constructive, supportive, and inclusion-sensitive role in the
community.

We need inclusion but not at all cost.

 Regards,
 David Van Assche

Martin


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 08:26:53PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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 On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:45:45PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote:
 can we please try and use the term SoaS slighlty more agnostically. 
 Right now, every time its mentioned it always uses the Fedora backend 
 without question or debate.
[...]
 
 I completely disagree.
 
 To me, SoaS is a specific distribution coined by Sugar enthusiasts (who 
 happen to also most/all of them also to be Sugar developers).

I disagree as well.  I'm quite satisfied with SugarLabs' support and
usage of the SoaS .ISO as produced by sdz and its team, especially
because the largest distributor of Sugar continues to use the same
base distro on its laptops.

 Kind regards,
 
   - Jonas

Martin


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