Re: [Sugar-devel] New Trisquel Sugar Live version

2020-12-17 Thread James Cameron 
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 02:32:53PM +0100, Martin Guy wrote:
> On 16/12/2020, James Cameron  wrote:
> >> Well, that's not a problem with a Live System. I love them also
> >> because they cannot break unless the medium gets physical damage!
> >
> > So this Trisquel can't be installed?
> 

I'll take that silence as a yes, it can be installed.

> Also. If they want to install it and break it, that's fine as they
> can always reinstall

Not if they don't have the install media any more.

Most people we have reached with Sugar would not keep the install
media.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Trisquel Sugar Live version

2020-12-17 Thread Martin Guy 
On 16/12/2020, James Cameron  wrote:
>> Well, that's not a problem with a Live System. I love them also
>> because they cannot break unless the medium gets physical damage!
>
> So this Trisquel can't be installed?

Also. If they want to install it and break it, that's fine as they can
always reinstall

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Trisquel Sugar Live version

2020-12-16 Thread James Cameron 
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 02:43:01PM +0100, Martin Guy wrote:
> On 15/12/2020, James Cameron  wrote:
> > Original decision to do so was based on risk of having kids come back
> > to their teachers with non-working laptops.
> 
> Well, that's not a problem with a Live System. I love them also
> because they cannot break unless the medium gets physical damage!

So this Trisquel can't be installed?

> Like I say in the bug report, since we already expose them to Pippy,
> Develop and the serpent, I don't think the Unix command line will do
> them much more harm :)
> 
> > Martin should consider making Terminal visible there.
> >
> > The file to patch during install or boot is
> > sugar:data/activities.hidden
> > which is usually installed at /usr/src/sugar/data/activities.hidden
> 
> Thanks, I've put that on my list...
> 
> > As upstream, I see insufficient justification to adopt this change for
> > Sugar.
> 
> Good-o. Log as well, just to frighten them even more? :)

The full list of hidden activities, which includes the activities for
showing images, playing audio and video, and reading documents, as
well as the deprecated library content bundles, is;

org.laptop.Terminal
org.laptop.Log
org.laptop.ImageViewerActivity
org.laptop.sugar.Jukebox
org.laptop.sugar.ReadActivity
org.laptop.TamTamEdit
org.laptop.TamTamJam
org.laptop.TamTamSynthLab
org.laptop.biology
org.icdlbooks.icdl
org.jamendo.music
org.laptop.wp-nature-images
info.dicts.dictionary-ml
org.laptop.wikibooks
info.dicts.wikislice-chemistry
gov.loc.wdl
info.dicts.worldfactbook.small

> 
> M

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Trisquel Sugar Live version

2020-12-16 Thread Martin Guy 
On 15/12/2020, James Cameron  wrote:
> Original decision to do so was based on risk of having kids come back
> to their teachers with non-working laptops.

Well, that's not a problem with a Live System. I love them also
because they cannot break unless the medium gets physical damage!

Like I say in the bug report, since we already expose them to Pippy,
Develop and the serpent, I don't think the Unix command line will do
them much more harm :)

> Martin should consider making Terminal visible there.
>
> The file to patch during install or boot is
> sugar:data/activities.hidden
> which is usually installed at /usr/src/sugar/data/activities.hidden

Thanks, I've put that on my list...

> As upstream, I see insufficient justification to adopt this change for
> Sugar.

Good-o. Log as well, just to frighten them even more? :)

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Trisquel Sugar Live version

2020-12-15 Thread James Cameron 
Looks like Gmail user accounts are broken, my CC's got this for both
Ibiam and Martin;

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On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 08:23:09AM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
> Biggest reason to hide it is the destruction it can cause.
> 
> Original decision to do so was based on risk of having kids come back
> to their teachers with non-working laptops.  Scaling that up to
> millions of kids made hiding it a lower cost option.
> 
> But given the technical knowledge required to use or install Trisquel
> is so much greater than a preloaded laptop, and the number of kids
> involved much smaller, Martin should consider making Terminal visible
> there.
> 
> The file to patch during install or boot is
> sugar:data/activities.hidden
> which is usually installed at /usr/src/sugar/data/activities.hidden
> 
> As upstream, I see insufficient justification to adopt this change for
> Sugar.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:57:16PM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote:
> > Thanks for testing and reporting issues, I've opened an [1]issue in the
> > IknowMyABCs activity.
> > 
> > For the issue of making the Terminal activity, I agree with you but I don't
> > think it's necessary as the user
> > would most likely eventually get to it if they're curious and yeah I get, 
> > why
> > not just make it easier for them to find.
> > 
> > The Log activity is a default except that isn't the case in TOAST.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Ibiam Chihurumnaya
> > [2]ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
> > 
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:40 PM Martin Guy <[3]martinw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > There is now a second version of trisquel-sugar_9.0_i686.iso including
> > world language support.
> > See [4]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast for info.
> > Known defects are collecting in
> > [5]https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso/-/issues
> > 
> > If anyone fancies testing it further or investigating any of the
> > issues, please do!
> > 
> > The ISO image is build using
> > [6]https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso but I haven't managed to
> > get that to work for me yet.
> > 
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> > [1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/iknowmyabcs/issues/15
> > [2] mailto:ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
> > [3] mailto:martinw...@gmail.com
> > [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast
> > [5] https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso/-/issues
> > [6] https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso
> > [7] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Trisquel Sugar Live version

2020-12-15 Thread James Cameron 
Biggest reason to hide it is the destruction it can cause.

Original decision to do so was based on risk of having kids come back
to their teachers with non-working laptops.  Scaling that up to
millions of kids made hiding it a lower cost option.

But given the technical knowledge required to use or install Trisquel
is so much greater than a preloaded laptop, and the number of kids
involved much smaller, Martin should consider making Terminal visible
there.

The file to patch during install or boot is
sugar:data/activities.hidden
which is usually installed at /usr/src/sugar/data/activities.hidden

As upstream, I see insufficient justification to adopt this change for
Sugar.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 01:57:16PM +0100, Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote:
> Thanks for testing and reporting issues, I've opened an [1]issue in the
> IknowMyABCs activity.
> 
> For the issue of making the Terminal activity, I agree with you but I don't
> think it's necessary as the user
> would most likely eventually get to it if they're curious and yeah I get, why
> not just make it easier for them to find.
> 
> The Log activity is a default except that isn't the case in TOAST.
> 
> --
> 
> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
> [2]ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
> 
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:40 PM Martin Guy <[3]martinw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> There is now a second version of trisquel-sugar_9.0_i686.iso including
> world language support.
> See [4]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast for info.
> Known defects are collecting in
> [5]https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso/-/issues
> 
> If anyone fancies testing it further or investigating any of the
> issues, please do!
> 
> The ISO image is build using
> [6]https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso but I haven't managed to
> get that to work for me yet.
> 
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> References:
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> [1] https://github.com/sugarlabs/iknowmyabcs/issues/15
> [2] mailto:ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
> [3] mailto:martinw...@gmail.com
> [4] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast
> [5] https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso/-/issues
> [6] https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso
> [7] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [8] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

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Re: [Sugar-devel] New Trisquel Sugar Live version

2020-12-15 Thread Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
Thanks for testing and reporting issues, I've opened an issue in the
IknowMyABCs activity .

For the issue of making the Terminal activity, I agree with you but I don't
think it's necessary as the user
would most likely eventually get to it if they're curious and yeah I get,
why not just make it easier for them to find.

The Log activity is a default except that isn't the case in TOAST.

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On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 8:40 PM Martin Guy  wrote:

> There is now a second version of trisquel-sugar_9.0_i686.iso including
> world language support.
> See https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast for info.
> Known defects are collecting in
> https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso/-/issues
>
> If anyone fancies testing it further or investigating any of the
> issues, please do!
>
> The ISO image is build using
> https://gitlab.trisquel.org/trisquel/makeiso but I haven't managed to
> get that to work for me yet.
>
> M
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