Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-11 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
2009/7/10 Eben Eliason e...@laptop.org: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 16:25, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-11 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 05:41, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-11 Thread Gary C Martin
On 11 Jul 2009, at 19:15, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 05:41, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 05:41, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Eduardo H. Silvahoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 05:41, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Eduardo H. Silvahoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: But are you meaning that we should name the current one Keep a copy and when we have versions add Keep? No, no. I'm urging that we name it Keep new version

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Eben Eliason wrote: No, no. I'm urging that we name it Keep new version now if we rename it, so that it's meaning doesn't change down the road when versions are introduced. We should call it Checkpoint and let the localization teams sort it out. The English-speakers will have no problem

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: But are you meaning that we should name the current one Keep a copy and when

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 16:25, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: But are you

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 16:25, Eben Eliasone...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Perhaps it's time for a rethink/redesign. This functionality could be moved to the journal itself, in a place where it can be presented with more context, something like Create duplicate copy. Or even some kind of visual feedback

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity. That's not far from the truth, right? At least in any

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Daniel Drake
On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 02:03:06PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: As far as I understand it, Keep is useful for these types of scenarios: - you've done a lot

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: On 9 Jul 2009, at 11:29, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, 8 months in the tank at 1CC sitting next to Eben, you'd think I know how this was designed to work ;-( I've actually read the HIG too! I see two case here: Case 1 - Create something in one activity and then use it right away another. I forgot that switching to a new activity puts a copy

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Eduardo H. Silvahoboprim...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100,