Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
On 25 July 2013 17:15, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I finally got sugar-build working on Fedora 19 last night. I plan to update Make Your Own Sugar Activities! to discuss this. Some stuff I plan to include: Awesome! How to install gcc and python development, which are required for osbuild build to work. In the chroot branch these requirements are gone. All that should be required is python, tar and xz. Running multiple copies of sugar-build as different users to test collaboration with just one PC. I suppose that's why you are playing with the profile pref. I tested it now and it seems broken, will fix. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
On 29 July 2013 11:48, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: Running multiple copies of sugar-build as different users to test collaboration with just one PC. I suppose that's why you are playing with the profile pref. I tested it now and it seems broken, will fix. I figured out that pref could be just dropped... Now the way to test with multiple sugar instances is ./osbuild shell SUGAR_PROFILE=test1 run SUGAR_PROFILE=test2 run If you want different nick names I think currently you need to set the /desktop/sugar/user/default_nick gconf pref to disabled using gconftool-2 (needs to be done inside the osbuild shell). -- Daniel Narvaez ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
On 26 July 2013 23:00, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I probably will not do much updating to MYOSA on sugar-build until the chroot branch has been merged, then. As long as Xephyr is still in there the instructions I have should be tolerable. I might put in something about the need to update the sudoers table with visudo and give an example, as that could be a stumbling block for some. Removing Xephyr usage was discussed but at the moment I have no solid plans for it. Certainly it's not removed in the chroot branch. I am a bit puzzled about profile not working. I *think* I'm doing it right. You might have misunderstood what the pref does. It's supposed to put sugar data in ~/.sugar/$profile, it doesn't affect user name as you seem to expect. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
I tried out Alt-Tab switching and it works fine. I also tried prefs.json,
with mixed results. This is the contents of the file:
{
resolution: 1024x768,
profile: Willy Wonka
}
Resolution worked just fine, and Sugar showed up in a window just like the
old days. Instead of saying Sugar in a Window it says Sugar Runner. I
can't tell if it still uses Xephyr or not.
If you are running sugar-build master, then yes, it uses Xephyr. You
can tell by looking at the running processes, for example with: ps -e
--forest
The chroot branch has not been merged yet.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
I probably will not do much updating to MYOSA on sugar-build until the
chroot branch has been merged, then. As long as Xephyr is still in there
the instructions I have should be tolerable. I might put in something
about the need to update the sudoers table with visudo and give an
example, as that could be a stumbling block for some.
I am a bit puzzled about profile not working. I *think* I'm doing it
right.
James Simmons
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 5:55 AM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote:
2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
I tried out Alt-Tab switching and it works fine. I also tried
prefs.json,
with mixed results. This is the contents of the file:
{
resolution: 1024x768,
profile: Willy Wonka
}
Resolution worked just fine, and Sugar showed up in a window just like
the
old days. Instead of saying Sugar in a Window it says Sugar Runner.
I
can't tell if it still uses Xephyr or not.
If you are running sugar-build master, then yes, it uses Xephyr. You
can tell by looking at the running processes, for example with: ps -e
--forest
The chroot branch has not been merged yet.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: I finally got sugar-build working on Fedora 19 last night. I plan to update Make Your Own Sugar Activities! to discuss this. Excellent James! How to use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open a virtual terminal, which you will use to run ./osbuild run. Using Ctrl-Alt-Fkey to go from the Sugar environment to your Python development environment. Is this really needed? ./osbuild run can be done from inside the GNOME session. Anything else anyone can think of? Start promoting the development of web activities? .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
Manuel, I am aware that ./osbuild run can be done from within a GNOME session. I did it that way the first time I ran it. What I need to provide to my readers is a way they can easily move from a development environment to a Sugar environment and back again. Running Sugar in a window made that easy. Generally when I debug a Sugar Activity I just quit and relaunch the Activity to test it. Relaunching Sugar is not necessary. The business with launching it from a virtual terminal makes that possible, and also makes it possible to run multiple copies of Sugar under different IDs so you can test collaboration. In the absence of any instructions I assumed that this is what I was meant to do. If there is an easier way to bounce between Sugar and GNOME without restarting Sugar each time I'd love to hear about it. As for web activities, we do have a guest chapter from Lionel on the subject. I agree the book needs more but I get the impression that we're still working out the details on this. I am somewhat comfortable with HTML, JS, CSS, embedded fonts, and the like but I may not be the best person to write these chapters, at least until things stabilize a bit. James Simmons On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: 2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: I finally got sugar-build working on Fedora 19 last night. I plan to update Make Your Own Sugar Activities! to discuss this. Excellent James! How to use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open a virtual terminal, which you will use to run ./osbuild run. Using Ctrl-Alt-Fkey to go from the Sugar environment to your Python development environment. Is this really needed? ./osbuild run can be done from inside the GNOME session. Anything else anyone can think of? Start promoting the development of web activities? .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:10 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: Manuel, I am aware that ./osbuild run can be done from within a GNOME session. I did it that way the first time I ran it. What I need to provide to my readers is a way they can easily move from a development environment to a Sugar environment and back again. Running Sugar in a window made that easy. Generally when I debug a Sugar Activity I just quit and relaunch the Activity to test it. Relaunching Sugar is not necessary. The business with launching it from a virtual terminal makes that possible, and also makes it possible to run multiple copies of Sugar under different IDs so you can test collaboration. In the absence of any instructions I assumed that this is what I was meant to do. If there is an easier way to bounce between Sugar and GNOME without restarting Sugar each time I'd love to hear about it. When you run Sugar using ./osbuild run, even though Sugar is running full screen, it is running in a window in GNOME, so you can switch to other windows within the GNOME session, and, for example, edit activities. As for web activities, we do have a guest chapter from Lionel on the subject. I agree the book needs more but I get the impression that we're still working out the details on this. I am somewhat comfortable with HTML, JS, CSS, embedded fonts, and the like but I may not be the best person to write these chapters, at least until things stabilize a bit. James Simmons On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: 2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: I finally got sugar-build working on Fedora 19 last night. I plan to update Make Your Own Sugar Activities! to discuss this. Excellent James! How to use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open a virtual terminal, which you will use to run ./osbuild run. Using Ctrl-Alt-Fkey to go from the Sugar environment to your Python development environment. Is this really needed? ./osbuild run can be done from inside the GNOME session. Anything else anyone can think of? Start promoting the development of web activities? .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
I noticed that the sugar-build script installs the framebuffer version of X11 so I assumed it was meant to start from a virtual terminal. That does work. If it is running in a GNOME window but full screen how do you go about switching to another window? Would Alt-Tab do it? I remember that we wanted to get rid of Xephyr, and I've experienced problems with Sugar in Xephyr myself so I can see why, but I'm still kind of puzzled by this and I think MYOSA readers would be too. James Simmons On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:10 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: Manuel, I am aware that ./osbuild run can be done from within a GNOME session. I did it that way the first time I ran it. What I need to provide to my readers is a way they can easily move from a development environment to a Sugar environment and back again. Running Sugar in a window made that easy. Generally when I debug a Sugar Activity I just quit and relaunch the Activity to test it. Relaunching Sugar is not necessary. The business with launching it from a virtual terminal makes that possible, and also makes it possible to run multiple copies of Sugar under different IDs so you can test collaboration. In the absence of any instructions I assumed that this is what I was meant to do. If there is an easier way to bounce between Sugar and GNOME without restarting Sugar each time I'd love to hear about it. When you run Sugar using ./osbuild run, even though Sugar is running full screen, it is running in a window in GNOME, so you can switch to other windows within the GNOME session, and, for example, edit activities. As for web activities, we do have a guest chapter from Lionel on the subject. I agree the book needs more but I get the impression that we're still working out the details on this. I am somewhat comfortable with HTML, JS, CSS, embedded fonts, and the like but I may not be the best person to write these chapters, at least until things stabilize a bit. James Simmons On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: 2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: I finally got sugar-build working on Fedora 19 last night. I plan to update Make Your Own Sugar Activities! to discuss this. Excellent James! How to use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open a virtual terminal, which you will use to run ./osbuild run. Using Ctrl-Alt-Fkey to go from the Sugar environment to your Python development environment. Is this really needed? ./osbuild run can be done from inside the GNOME session. Anything else anyone can think of? Start promoting the development of web activities? .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
Alt-tab to go between Sugar and other programs is very clumsy at first, but works. When I do this from a full-screen Sugar session I don't get the usual view of icons of other applications to choose from, but once I have Sugar and the program I want to alternate with set up for toggling between, it is quite easy. On Thu, July 25, 2013 12:10 pm, James Simmons wrote: Manuel, I am aware that ./osbuild run can be done from within a GNOME session. I did it that way the first time I ran it. What I need to provide to my readers is a way they can easily move from a development environment to a Sugar environment and back again. Running Sugar in a window made that easy. Generally when I debug a Sugar Activity I just quit and relaunch the Activity to test it. Relaunching Sugar is not necessary. The business with launching it from a virtual terminal makes that possible, and also makes it possible to run multiple copies of Sugar under different IDs so you can test collaboration. In the absence of any instructions I assumed that this is what I was meant to do. If there is an easier way to bounce between Sugar and GNOME without restarting Sugar each time I'd love to hear about it. As for web activities, we do have a guest chapter from Lionel on the subject. I agree the book needs more but I get the impression that we're still working out the details on this. I am somewhat comfortable with HTML, JS, CSS, embedded fonts, and the like but I may not be the best person to write these chapters, at least until things stabilize a bit. James Simmons On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote: 2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com: I finally got sugar-build working on Fedora 19 last night. I plan to update Make Your Own Sugar Activities! to discuss this. Excellent James! How to use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open a virtual terminal, which you will use to run ./osbuild run. Using Ctrl-Alt-Fkey to go from the Sugar environment to your Python development environment. Is this really needed? ./osbuild run can be done from inside the GNOME session. Anything else anyone can think of? Start promoting the development of web activities? .. manuq .. ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Edward Mokurai (#40664;#38647;/#2344;#2367;#2358;#2348;#2381;#2342;#2327;#2352;#2381;#2332;/#1606;#1588;#1576;#1583;#1711;#1585;#1580;) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage of sugar-build
I tried out Alt-Tab switching and it works fine. I also tried prefs.json,
with mixed results. This is the contents of the file:
{
resolution: 1024x768,
profile: Willy Wonka
}
Resolution worked just fine, and Sugar showed up in a window just like the
old days. Instead of saying Sugar in a Window it says Sugar Runner. I
can't tell if it still uses Xephyr or not.
On the other hand, profile got ignored. In the F1 and F2 views of Sugar
I am identified as James Simmons from my login id, not Willy Wonka.
It seems to me that getting rid of Xephyr was supposed to be a big change
but I'm not seeing that. If you specify a window size everything seems the
same as before. You *can* run Sugar from a text mode virtual terminal,
which may or may not be new.
James Simmons
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:01 PM, moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote:
Alt-tab to go between Sugar and other programs is very clumsy at first,
but works. When I do this from a full-screen Sugar session I don't get the
usual view of icons of other applications to choose from, but once I have
Sugar and the program I want to alternate with set up for toggling
between, it is quite easy.
On Thu, July 25, 2013 12:10 pm, James Simmons wrote:
Manuel,
I am aware that ./osbuild run can be done from within a GNOME session.
I
did it that way the first time I ran it. What I need to provide to my
readers is a way they can easily move from a development environment to
a
Sugar environment and back again. Running Sugar in a window made that
easy. Generally when I debug a Sugar Activity I just quit and relaunch
the
Activity to test it. Relaunching Sugar is not necessary. The business
with launching it from a virtual terminal makes that possible, and also
makes it possible to run multiple copies of Sugar under different IDs so
you can test collaboration. In the absence of any instructions I
assumed
that this is what I was meant to do. If there is an easier way to
bounce
between Sugar and GNOME without restarting Sugar each time I'd love to
hear
about it.
As for web activities, we do have a guest chapter from Lionel on the
subject. I agree the book needs more but I get the impression that
we're
still working out the details on this. I am somewhat comfortable with
HTML, JS, CSS, embedded fonts, and the like but I may not be the best
person to write these chapters, at least until things stabilize a bit.
James Simmons
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:38 AM, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org
wrote:
2013/7/25 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
I finally got sugar-build working on Fedora 19 last night. I plan to
update
Make Your Own Sugar Activities! to discuss this.
Excellent James!
How to use Ctrl-Alt-F2 to open a virtual terminal, which you will
use
to
run ./osbuild run. Using Ctrl-Alt-Fkey to go from the Sugar
environment
to your Python development environment.
Is this really needed? ./osbuild run can be done from inside the
GNOME session.
Anything else anyone can think of?
Start promoting the development of web activities?
.. manuq ..
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The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
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