Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-18 Thread Mihai Sucan
Hello! Le Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:23:38 +0300, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com a écrit: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Bobby Powersbobbypow...@gmail.com wrote: While not hand-tuned, I believe on the latest rawhide-xo images (and Fedora 11) you can download

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-16 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Bobby Powersbobbypow...@gmail.com wrote: While not hand-tuned, I believe on the latest rawhide-xo images (and Fedora 11) you can download http://dev.laptop.org/~bobbyp/surf/Surf-106.xo for a WebKit based browsing experience.  The packages pywebkitgtk and

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-16 Thread Peter Robinson
 Now that WebKit seems to be better supported in F11+, I can try to bundle a modified webkit .so that reduces memory usage as much as possible. That'd be *nice*! There's a new version of webkitgtk in F-11 updates-testing that is the same as the one in rawhide. Early on in the move towards

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-11 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:29:25PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: I meant the code. I really don't have time, but someone could do a benchmark since there is code for Browse-webkit. As rough as it may be. Ahh, I get it now .-) Firefox is still way behind, especially on embedded devices.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 01:01:27PM -0400, Bobby Powers wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Martin Langhoffmartin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Luke, On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 23:08, Luke Kenneth Casson Leightonl...@lkcl.net wrote: folks, hi, i might have mentioned some of this before, but wanted to emphasise a few things - please bear with me if you've heard some of it before. i'd been looking for python bindings to DOM model

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 6/9/09, Bobby Powers bobbypow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luke hallooo Actually, I believe Jan, the pywebkitgtk maintainer, started off with OLPC's Browse activity for that demo. He then modified it to use the new webkit bindings instead of hulahop ones. ahh, that would explain the

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote: (...) once done, you'd be able to pretty much drop the exact same olpc browser onto KHTML, webkit or xul. and, other than the c++ rtti-related bugs in KHTML, you'd get exactly the same functionality. Cool.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 6/10/09, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi Luke, hii tomeu so i just wanted to ask: do you _know_ how many people have been looking, for years, for python bindings to XUL? are you _aware_ how powerful and how under-appreciated hulahop is? :) the mozilla mailing lists

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:42:49PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: Two things to consider when looking at this... - Startup, memory use and general responsiveness on XO hardware and general netbook hw. The current Browse.xo

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Before GSoC started, I did my own tests of webkit vs gecko. Firefox lost everywhere and lost especially bad on memory usage. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317039/webkit%20vs%20gecko%20osx.txt http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/317039/webkit%20vs%20gecko%20soas.txt

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko were very similar. The benchmarks I've used stress the browser engine, especially javascript. Perceived performance is usually better with webkit as well, though. 2009/6/10 Jonas Smedegaard

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I have the results anymore, but benches between epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko were very similar. Lucian -- what Jonas and I are trying to say is: even if gecko is (was?) by less performant than

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Not now, I have my own work to do for GSoC. I have talked to tomeu about what it would take to give Browse the ability to switch between engines. The general conclusion was that another layer of indirection would be needed, on top of hulahop/pywebkitgtk that Browse would use. Hand tuning or not,

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
Apparently someone did that for me http://www.j5live.com/2007/08/02/webkit-and-xulrunner-mozilla-side-by-side-on-the-xo/ 2009/6/10 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Lucian Branesculucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I have the results

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:33:22PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: Apparently someone did that for me http://www.j5live.com/2007/08/02/webkit-and-xulrunner-mozilla-side-by-side-on-the-xo/ That one I believe is known to old-timers of this list.

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Lucian Branescu
I meant the code. I really don't have time, but someone could do a benchmark since there is code for Browse-webkit. As rough as it may be. Firefox is still way behind, especially on embedded devices. 2009/6/10 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-10 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:29:25PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: I meant the code. I really don't have time, but someone could do a benchmark since there is code for Browse-webkit. As rough as it may be. Ahh, I get it now .-) Firefox is still

Re: [Sugar-devel] webkit, hulahop; developing apps using browser engine DOM for widgets

2009-06-09 Thread Bobby Powers
Hi Luke On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leightonl...@lkcl.net wrote: folks, hi, i might have mentioned some of this before, but wanted to emphasise a few things - please bear with me if you've heard some of it before. i'd been looking for python bindings to DOM model