Re: SUNDIAL life before AND WITH clocks

2010-11-20 Thread McKenna
If they turn out as well as Western Astrolabes and Eastern Astrolabes I'll be happy to add them to my library. Any idea when they'll be out? Regards, Robert -- From: "Schechner, Sara" Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:59 AM To: "Sundial List"

RE: Sundial Information

2010-11-20 Thread Jackie Jones
Dear All, I have a small booklet about the Owl Sundial at Little Melton First School (Norfolk, England). They used an owl on their sundial as a symbol of wisdom and as it is often used as a caricature of a school teacher. It was constructed in 2000 and the owl's beak is the gnomon. The leafl

RE: Owls and sundials

2010-11-20 Thread Tom Laidlaw
Hi there, As others have said, this is fun but surely in this last one the cock and the owl are meant as furniture to indicate morning and night. I don't think there is any substantive connection. Tom -Original Message- From: sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koel

Re: SUNDIAL life before AND WITH clocks

2010-11-20 Thread Wolfgang R. Dick
Hi Sara, These news about your forthcoming books sound fascinating! By the way, JHA (vols. 1-39, 1970-2008) is available online at ADS, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/journals_service.html when volume/page is known, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html for author/title etc. searches. Your

Re: Sundial Information

2010-11-20 Thread Frank King
Dear All, Yes, I was having you on by backing up Willy Lenders's witty translation of zonnewijzer. Willy and Chris Lusby Taylor have provided the more usual explanation. I wasn't having you on about Hughes Hall though! Richard Langley is right that the college arms incorporates two owls but the

SUNDIAL life before AND WITH clocks

2010-11-20 Thread Schechner, Sara
I am addressing many of these questions in an interpretive catalogue of several hundred sundials and timefinding instruments at the Adler Planetarium and Astronomy Museum in Chicago (to be published in two volumes), and in a separate book, Sundials, Science, and Social Change (appearing later).

Re: Owls and sundials

2010-11-20 Thread Wolfgang R. Dick
I thought about another question: why was a humor journal named "The Sundial"?. There is an association between light/sun and truth. Real humor (or better to say satire) also tells the truth. Was a sundial thought to be a device that tells the truth (= time)? Best, Wolfgang ---

Re: Sundial Information

2010-11-20 Thread Richard Langley
And I think Frank might be having us on with the "owla" interpretation. More likely the owls around Hughes Hall descend from the college's crest/shield: . -- Richard Langley Sent from my iPod Touch On 2010-11-19,

Re: Owls and sundials

2010-11-20 Thread Fabio Savian
I have other two curiosities: In Damme, near Brugge, Belgium, there is the museum of Till Eulenspiegel. Beside the museum there is a sundial (www.sundialatlas.eu/atlas.php?so=BE3) Yesterday I watched a sundial on the Atlas with a cock and an owl, it is near Biella, Italy: www.sundialatlas.eu/at

Re: FW: Sundial Information; wiser sun

2010-11-20 Thread Chris Lusby Taylor
Dear Frank, Willy et al, Surely the Dutch word zonnewijzer is similar to the English word waywiser, which is a device used to measure distances along roads. The derivation, according to the Shorter OED, is from the German wegweiser, compounded from weg=way and weiser, from weisen=to show, being an

Re: Sundial Information

2010-11-20 Thread Willy Leenders
Frank, I do not know if your comment was meant to be funny or serious. In every way a Dutch lesson: 'wijzer' has two meanings: 1. 'indicator' or 'hand' (of a clock) 2. comparative of 'wijs' (wise - wiser) In my reply I used the second meaning to ridicule the relation between sundial and owl In

Re: FW: Sundial Information

2010-11-20 Thread Frank King
Dear John (and Willy, Aleks, Wolfgang, et al), I have greatly enjoyed the all the answers to your question about Owls and Sundials... Willy Leenders tells us that the Dutch word zonnewijzer really means "wiser sun". How many of us knew that? Aleks has sent us a nice illustration of a sundial wi