Mike Cowham et al.
Is there a source for this book in U$ Dollars?
If so, where, and what is the dollar price?
Thanks,
Bob
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I think this link might work:
http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2005/10/crescent-tower-is-islamic-prayer.htm
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Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 5:52 PM
To: sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de
Dear Friends,
Fernando Cabral visited the unusual sundial at Randolph Air Force Base in
San Antonio Texas recently, and returned with some new photographs,
including one showing the new broken part.
The dial has been moved to a storage area, and it's future is questionable.
The new photos can
Dear Fernando,
You haven't told us what you want to use the theodolite for.
There is a simpler instrument that can be used to determine vertical and
horizontal angles called a transit. They are often used on farms for
laying out fence lines and drainage etc. They do not have the precision of
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If you are British Airways, the time is 0925 Zulu, and a jolly good
morning to you.
If you are United, it's about half past nine, and you all have a
nice day.
If you are Red Centre Air Services, it's almost the end of May, and
she'll be
Dear Friends,
Somebody recently posted a link to a text page about Easter and other
ecclesiastical dates.
On another page at that site there is what appears to be a very detailed
and inclusive calculator:
http://www.smart.net/~mmontes/ec-cal.html
Bob Terwilliger
Dear Friends,
The North American Sundial Society is pleased to announce its new domain
and Home Page on the World Wide Web.
We are releasing the URL to members of The Sundial Mailing List so they can
get a preview. Please visit the site and send any comments or corrections
to the Webmaster
Dear Friends,
The preview of the new NASS Web site has received over 400 hits since it
was announced here on the Sundial Mailing List. Thanks to all for your
positive response.
Special thanks to Mac Oglesby and Peter Abrahams for helping me with colors
and layout.
The promised 'Message
Richard Mallett wrote:
It is good to know that there is some female interest
in your [NASS] Web page. The BSS is too heavily masculine,
so perhaps we need to emphasize the artistic aspects
of dialling a little more.
I agree, and if you review the illustrations of the sundial proposed
As a follow up to others who have posted about the difficulty of using
raised numerals on sundials, not only will the shadow sneak among the
numerals, the numerals themselves will cast their own shadows leading to
confusion.
This is a good reason to avoid the the bronze casting process used in
On the topic of using BASIC to write sundial programs...
I have used Microsoft QuickBASIC to to write a number of programs,
including some for sundials. In a recent computer crash QB vanished from my
system, and I cannot find the original installation disks. Perhaps some
reader of this list has
Dear Friends,
My thanks to everyone who responded to my request for the QuickBASIC
installation disks. I still had the essential files, but there are some
libraries and other incidentals that were missing. What I still need are
the actual installation disks. (Qbasic and QuickBASIC are different
My problem with QuickBASIC has been solved. Both Luke Coletti and Paolo
Gregorio zipped up all five installation disks and uploaded them to their
FTP sites.
My special thanks to Luke, Paolo, and to Tom McHugh who offered, and to the
other subscribers to the list who put up with this personal
Dear Friends,
The North American Sundial Society Web site continues to expand. We have
recently put the NASS Registry of North American Sundials on-line. The
Registry now includes over 250 sundials sorted by state or province - but
we are sure there are many more to be found, and our data on
be preferred, but the postal service is
acceptable. Please include a SASE if you wish them returned.
PLEASE address any email correspondence to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the
Webmaster email link on the site. The CompuServe address I use for this
list is ungainly.
Robert Terwilliger
2963 Bird
Hi All,
Here is a way to produce .prn plotter files directly from DeltaCad, or
any CAD Program.
These directions are for Windows98, but they should adapt to other
Windows versions.
Go to Control Panel | Printers.
Select Add Printer, and follow the Wizard to install a Local
Printer.
From the
Hi All,
I don't know how much help I can be with plot files beyond how to
produce them. I have never actually plotted one. I have used them as an
intermediate format for line drawings created in a proprietary format so
they can be imported into a word processor.
I will try to address some of
Hi All,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Clyde, I believe what you are describing is a polar dial.
It is what a horizontal dial would look like if it were made
for the equator. The Lyman Briggs dial at the national bureau
of standards is a polar dial. I think you will have no trouble
finding
Hi All,
I hope someone will be able to clarify the differences between HPGL,
prn, and plt files, and how they are meant to be used. HPGL and prn are
both text based files.
Here is a snip from a HPGL file. The commands PU and PD stand for
Pen Up and Pen Down respectively. It would be logical
Hi All,
Comment: I think the problem with rotating or skewing text in graphics
files could be solved if the text character entities could be converted
into the vector lines and curves which make them up. I don't think this
is easy to do with True Type fonts.
Question: Is there a source, or
John Carmichael wrote:
Does a sundial generator program exist for analemmatics?
Also, my client would like to see some photographs of
existing analemmatic dials. Would any of you happen to
know where I can download some fotos?
Hi John,
Go to the NASS Links page. Look in the top of the
Hi All,
Roger Bailey wrote:
I also agree with Sara Schechner's comment that analemmatic
dials often lack a sculptural presence. They do need features
to draw the eye in. A proposal I have made to a local parks
committee combines an analemmatic dial with a medicine wheel.
While not
Hi All,
This is a little late, but I hope anyone who will be attending the NASS
conference with a camera will keep the NASS Website in mind.
I would like photos of the speakers and exhibitors, preferably with any
exhibits they have brought. Also general pictures including meals, the
exhibit
Hi,
To back up any discussion of why one should not use a compass to
determine true north when aligning a sundial, there is an interesting
illustration and text about the position of the north magnetic pole on
The Astronomy Picture of the Day at:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Hi all,
Those of you who attended the sixth annual NASS conference in San
Francisco may recall that Prof. Charles Benton, the fellow who
demonstrated the Heliodon also took an aerial photograph of the group
with a camera suspended from a kite.
This photograph has been put on the NASS Website as
Dear Friends,
With respect for the danger of directly viewing the sun, is there any
way to view the moon when it is near new, and the sun is high in the
sky?
Bob Terwilliger
Dear Friends,
I once read Dennis di Cicco's description of his superb analemma image
in which he points out that the foreground was put in later.
He mentioned that there are two clues to this in the image. Both involve
the sun, neither are technical.
Can you find them?
Bob Terwilliger
Hi All,
It was my understanding that the analemma against the blue sky was the
original image, then the foreground was pasted in from some completely
different sources.
Mr. de Cicco pointed out that - as Ron mentioned - the shadow of the
chimney is going the wrong way. Once the shadow is wrong,
enthusiasts should also note that our least expensive
membership is the option for The Digital Compendium delivered via email.
A bargain at $20, and no shipping charges apply.
Membership details are below.
http://sundials.org
Robert Terwilliger
NASS Webmaster
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=
Annual
Dear Friends,
The NASS Website continues to expand.
The NASS Register of North American Sundials now includes an increasing
number of illustrations and links to external pages for those dials
presented. Please take a look. Readers of this list are encouraged to
send in photos or descriptions of
Hi All,
In case you missed it, the four hour show on Longitude will be shown
again on AE. 8 to 12 pm Tuesday July 11.
Be sure to see it.
Bob
Hi All,
Steve Lelievre wrote:
I have recently seen a couple of dials which use a nought (a digit zero) in
place of XII,... I've never seen this done on a clock,...
I am a clockmaker. I have repaired a lot of clocks and I have never seen
it on a clock either.
I suggest that the proximity
Dear Friends,
The list has been a little slow lately, so how about something
completely different?
There have been a number of messages posted here about the construction
of sundials, but never one about the destruction of a sundial.
Due to its deterioration over the past three years and the
Dear Friends,
There is a new page on the NASS Web site dedicated to the exchange of
DeltaCad programs and routines for drawing sundials.
The page currently has eleven programs by Ron Anthony, Fer de Vries, and
Steve Lelievre. They are organized from simple to more complex so that a
beginner can
Dear Friends,
Since The topic of watches has been broached, I would like to point you
to a watch dealer's page which includes excellent photographs of early
watches - watches which were set from sundials since in many cases that
was the only source of time available.
The URL takes you to the
Dear Friends,
There is a new sundial generator online that is one of the most
interesting I have seen. It was done in java and javascript by Robin
Walker, a Junior Bursar at Queens' College, Cambridge UK, and is based
on the famous dial overlooking the Old Court at Queens' College.
The
Hi Ron and All,
I would like to express an interest in the $29.95 + 4.95 shipping
DeltaCad offer.
If there are 9 more takers, we can place the order.
In the meantime, I would like to see an example of a program written in
their Basic programming language - just to see how the syntax looks. If
Dear Friends,
Thanks to Ron Anthony and Steve Lelievre for sending me programs they
wrote for DeltaCad BASIC. Both programs included algorithms provided by
Fer de Vries.
While no expert, I have had some experience with BASIC programming for
sundials, starting with GWBASIC, then moving to
Hi All,
An illustrated review of the 2000 NASS conference in San Francisco,
including the sundial tour, is on the NASS Website.
Bob Terwilliger
Hi All,
Maria wrote:
As the equinox September 22 approaches are there any
measurements that would-be sundial makers should be taking?
I recall a few comments about the unique qualities of shadows
on this date.
There is one interesting thing you can do which doesn't even involve
that messy
Hi All,
Thanks to Jean-Paul CORNEC for sending the URL to the photo of the Abbey
of Mont-Saint-Michele. I hope everyone hit the little back arrow below
the photo because it leads to a very good index page about this
fascinating dialing event - with many more photos.
Here is a direct link to the
Dear Friends,
Over the years, I have noted that members of this group have followed
the usual mailing list etiquette prohibiting posting messages which have
commercial content.
I wonder how the group feels about opening the forum to allow members to
post messages offering items or services for
Dear Friends,
I guess the Commercial Offerings question has been settled as No. It
seemed like a good idea.
With regards to Jerome Goggins' message about Stanley London, I have one
of the dials they offer and it is a cheap Indian-made affair. What would
you expect for the price?
Go to their
Harriet James wrote:
The NASS dialist's companion gives the meridians for US time zones
as: Atlantic 60° W
Eastern 75° W
Central 90°W
Mountain 105° W
Pacific 120°W
Do all Americans adhere to these time zones, or are some
like the French who like to be one
Harriet James wrote:
The NASS dialist's companion gives the meridians for US time zones
as: Atlantic 60° W
Eastern 75° W
Central 90°W
Mountain 105° W
Pacific 120°W
Do all Americans adhere to these time zones, or are some
like the French who like to be one
Hi All,
The Astronomy Picture of the Day for March 30 has an interesting photo
taken the day after the equinox:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Bob Terwilliger
Hi All,
This message is being sent to both mailing lists. I apologize for any
redundancy.
I have added some pages to the NASS site which illustrate and describe
the Richard Schmoyer Sunquest, a unique and attractive equatorial dial
that indicates Standard Time. The pages give details of its
Dear friends,
I took some photographs of my polyhedral dial and put them online where
they can be compared with photos of the dial in the Museum in Florence.
The pages are image intensive, but the main page only contains two
ordinary images so you can take a quick look without exploring the
John - and everyone who has a Web page,
I have recently added a page with a little NASS icon you can use and the
HTML code for linking to the NASS site. You will find a link to the new
page in the right frame of the main page.
http://sundials.org
Bob Terwilliger
John Carmichael wrote:
Hi Rui,
Welcome to the Sundial Mailing List, and the fascinating world of
sundials.
Here are some places to start.
The North American Sundial Society:
http://sundials.org
See the FAQ page for some suggestions on books and answers to the other
questions you asked. Also browse the Links page
Dear Rui et. al.,
Thierry van Steenberghe wrote:
Bom dia, Rui!
In addition to the excellent links that Bob sent you,
I'd like to point out also the British Sundial Society:
http://www.sundialsoc.org.uk
I apologize for overlooking the BSS site in my message to Rui. Peter
Scott has put
Hi Dialists,
Can anybody in the Philadelphia area help this lady?
Hi Bob -
I work for the Pennsylvania Horticultural Society and we have a
community project where we are hoping to create an analemmatic dial. We
would like the child's shadow to show the time. Could you be of any
assistance in
Hi,
Can anyone provide bibliographical references concerning the technical
aspects of the sundials on the Tower of the Winds in Athens?
Thanks,
Bob
Hi All,
I'm sorry I will not be with those of you who will be attending the NASS
Conference this weekend.
I hope everyone taking their digital cameras will keep the NASS website
in mind and send me copies of their efforts for possible inclusion in
the Conference retrospective. Accompanying
A.Brown wrote:
... a Sun referenced satellite finder
This is a page included on the NASS Link page. I think he is doing what
you want to do.
http://www.sundialsetup.com/
Bob Terwilliger
NASS Webmaster
Fellow dial list
Sun worshipers come in all guises, my relative living in
List members,
I would like to cast my vote for the old system of replying to messages.
Being able to send a personal reply to the sender gives the opportunity
to easily and confidentially make a point to the sender that that
properly should not be shared with the group. The difficulty of
All,
There is a link about the Qumran sundial on the NASS Links page:
http://www.jpost.com/com/Archive/14.Apr.1997/News/Article-8.html
There used to be another link to an article in The Biblical Archaeology
Review which contended that the artifact was not a sundial.
Bob
fwsawyer wrote:
A nice view of the June 10 eclipse can be seen here today (Wednesday).
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Tomorrow, click Archives or the
Bob
-
Dialists,
John Carmichael's proposal for the McMath-Pierce solar telescope sundial
has been put on The NASS Web pages. The pages are intended to follow the
project as it progresses.
Click on Links / Featured Links. The proposal is in PDF format.
http://sundials.org
Bob Terwilliger
NASS
fer j. de vries wrote:
What do you think of the dial in France at Mont St. Michel?
Here is a link:
http://maget.maget.free.fr/SiteMont/
Bob Terwilliger
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There is a large Thew Patent sundial - inspired by a design from
Robert Adzema's The Great Sundial Cutout Book - illustrated in the
NASS online
sundial register.
Click on the link below, then Connecticut. Look for Branford #390
http://sundials.org/registry/
Bob Terwilliger
-
Regards,
Bob Terwilliger
Edley McKnight wrote:
Hi Shadow Watchers,
Karen's article has proved quite popular. I've sent out quite a few copies.
I've sent a copy to Robert Terwilliger who says he will put it up on the NASS
links for folks to download. Since he is being so kind, I'm
Below is a link to the Martian sundial. The designers included Bill Nye,
the Science Guy and or own Woody Sullivan.
I think I recall that the dial was never delivered. Perhaps someone
knows more about it.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap990428.html
Bob Terwilliger
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Dialists,
A link to an interesting new site turned up way down on the NASS Message
Board. The site offers a number of solar calculations.
I wonder what the group thinks of it as an asset for dialists.
Sustainable By Design
http://www.susdesign.com/design-tools.html
Regards,
Bob Terwilliger
Mac,
Thanks for the plug!
Bob
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Oglesby
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 7:26 AM
To: sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de
Subject: NASS 2002 meeting in Tucson
Hello All,
If you weren't able to
The link below was recently submitted for inclusion with the NASS Links.
I am currently overhauling the Links pages so it may be a few weeks
before it appears.
In the meantime, I thought the group might be interested.
http://ocho.uwaterloo.ca/~pfieguth/Software/Sundial/sundial.html
Bob
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Gianni,
Good
find!
I have sent a
message to theNew York Hall of Sciencerequesting more information on
their very interesting dial. I will post any reply
here.
Bob
Terwilliger
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Mac, Bill,
John, Pete, et. al.
Mac is to be
commended for bringing the questionJohn Close
posted on the NASS message boardto the attention of the mailing list. If
John is not a member of this list, a discussion here may provide the information
he needs.
The purpose of
the
Dear Colleagues,
My Internet Service Provider gave me 25 days notice that they were going
out of business.
I have acquired my own domain.
Effective immediately my email address is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The URL of my Web page is:
http://www.twigsdigs.com/
If you have web pages that linked to
On the Discovery Channel last night there was an hour long show titled
Rebuilding Ground Zero
The description from TV Guide online: Detailing the rebuilding process
at what has become known as Ground Zero, the 16-acre area of New York
City where the World Trade Center was destroyed.
One of the
There is another Sunrise Analemma photo on Astronomy Picture of the Day
today:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030320.html
And here's a link to the analemma I made in 1966:
http://www.shadow.net/~bobt/office/office.htm
Bob Terwilliger
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http://www.shadow.net/
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Title: Message
There is one excellent site on the NASS links page whichhas photographsof pinholeprojections of the sun on various meridiansduring the solar
eclipse of 1996.http://www.nauticoartiglio.lu.it/almanacco/Aa_ecli_13.ht
There used to beanother excellent page on
meridians but
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Here's a link about the lunar eclipse:http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/extra/TLE2003May15.htmlFinal
reminder:My new email and web page addresses;[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://twigsdigs.com
Best,Bob
Terwilliger
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Neat picture.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030521.html
Bob
Title: Message
A photo index has been added to The NASS Register of North American
Sundials.
Now you can browse all 274 photos in the register on thumbnail pages. Each
thumbnail links to the full size image.
Go to the Register and click on "Photo Index" in the right frame.
See this website about the Turtle Bay Sundial Bridge.
Follow the link to the Official Web Page
http://www.calatrava.info/viewWork.asp?ID=17
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Paris
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:22 PM
To:
Ken,
How do you output the text file of the x, y coordinates in DeltaCad for
layout?
All three of the NASS DeltaCad analemmatic macros automatically output
text files of the x, y coordinates. The name of the file is given after
the macro executes and can be found in the same directory as the
Title: Message
Please don't forget the
beautiful dials on the so-called 'Tower of the Winds' in Athens.
From the NASS links page:
http://sundials.org/links/local/tower/tower.htm
Be sure to click on the Google
search.
Bob Terwilliger
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Title: Message
I received the message below today. If you are interested
in giving a talk at the National Clock and Watch Museum, please respond directly
to Ms Kopko
===
Hello Bob,
As the Museum Education Specialist at the National Watch
Clock Museum, I am looking for a person to
Those of you who are not familiar with the beautiful Schmoyer Sunquest
should see this NASS page:
http://sundials.org/links/local/schmoyer/schmoyer.htm
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004
Tony Moss wrote:
...there is a fully-finished version of the Schmoyer Sunquest
(mirror polished on all non-calibrated surfaces) on display
in the Time Gallery of the South Kensington Science Museum...
Here is a link to this dial (Including a photo of Tony himself!):
Title: Message
Spirit had landed, and the first extraterrestrial sundial is on the surface
of Mars.
See the NASS Links page:
http://sundials.org/links/
Bob
Terwilliger
NASS Webmaster
Title: Message
Today'sAstronomy Picture of the Day is
a view from the rover camera which shows the sundial in situ.
Click on the link to Martian sundial
for some good photos of the dial itself.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040106.html
Bob Terwilliger
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Astronomy Picture of the Day
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040110.html
Bob
Website: http://www.sundialsculptures.comStained
Glass Sundials Website: http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/Stained_Glass
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From:
Robert
Terwilliger
To: 'Sundial Mailing List'
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:52
AM
Subject: Two
: http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/Stained_Glass
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From:
Robert
Terwilliger
To: 'Sundial Mailing List'
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 4:52
AM
Subject: Two Worlds, One Sun
Astronomy Picture
Title: Message
Astronomy picture of the
day is another look at the time-lapse photograph of the analemma over Ancient Nemea in Greece.
I was pleasantly surprised
to find that if you click on the text "mark the position", you will be taken from
Greece to to my office in South Florida. Click
Title: Message
The NASS website arrived at
its new ISP today.
Same URL: http://sundials.org
Some areas are not ready
yet. They are listed on the home page and the list will be updated as the
migration continues.
My thanks to Mac Oglesby,
Uno Kurvet, and Dave Bell for their assistance.
Title: Message
Please do not revert to the
awkwardand troublesomeoption of having the list be the default
address for replies.
Bob
Terwilliger
Title: Message
Friends of the NASS Website,
The NASS Message Board is finally in place. It looks just
like the old one, and that's one reason why it took so long. There are minor
changes, but also hints to help
you.
Since we could not migrate the oldmessages, Mac Oglesby downloaded the
Title: Message
The Bad news
first:
Due to a flood of
objectionable messages, the NASS Message Board has been temporarily taken
off-line.Those of you who monitor or contribute to the Board and have it
bookmarked will not be able to access it at the URL you have been
using.
We will try to
Title: Message
The NASS Message Board has been replaced by a new NASS
Forum. The Forum offers more options than the Board, and I expect these features
will prove useful - both for communication between dialists andto provide
an interface between ourselves and the general public.
To avoid
The dial is included in the NASS Register of North American sundials.
California / Redding / #518
http://sundials.org/registry/
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Uber
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 5:33 PM
To: Sundial List
Mario Arnaldi sent the link to the Epact site below. I wonder if everybody
knows that you can click on the image on the Epact site and get a bigger
image. You can then click on that image and get one that is even bigger!
Bob
There's an "Ivory Diptych Sundial signed 'Albrecht Karner
1662'"on eBay.
Item number: 7301518878
or:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z3DE21C8A
Bob
I recently did an experiment with time-lapse photography
of a gnomon's shadow throughout a full day using an ordinary Web Cam and some
software I use on my weather site.
Some of you will recognize the gnomon as the one used on
my Hot Tub Dial. I do not present this as a work of art, or even
Jim,
Try:
Jeff Weber Rare Books
PO Box 3368,
Glendale, California 91221-0368
TELEPHONE: 323-344-9332 (direct or messages)
FAX: 323-344-9267
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.bookmarque.net/abaalinks.cfm?Dealer=weber
Bob
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The results of the 1996 Internet Ray tracing Competition,
the theme of which was 'Time' can be found at:http://www.irtc.org/stills/1996-06-30/view.html
Many of the images include sundials. The page consists of
thumbnails which link to images which are of pretty good size, so this link is
See this link:
http://maget.maget.free.fr/SiteMont/
Bob Terwilliger
http://maget.maget.free.fr/SiteMont/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Mallett
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:34 PM
To: robic.joel
Cc: Sundial Mail List
This list has again
proved its valuewith the discussion of thedimensionsof
an analemmatic dial. It is obvious that many membersindependently considered it worthwhile to
seek a solution, and note that many ofthe memberswho offered solutions - through a variety of approaches -
are among
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