[freenet-support] averagebandwidthlimit results

2004-05-25 Thread Phillip Hutchings
OK, I enabled an average[input|output]bandwidthlimit of 500. In 5 hours 
I've transferred 400MiB of data, which is still far too high, 
considering that I should be transferring 288MiB each way per day 
(which is also too high).

Anyway, when I'm back on my cable connection (I'm away from my place at 
the moment, dialup :/ I'm accessing my node through an SSH tunnel) I'll 
grab the freenet source from CVS and look at it, see if I can figure it 
out ;)
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[freenet-support] Re: averagebandwidthlimit results

2004-05-25 Thread Wayne McDougall
Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 OK, I enabled an average[input|output]bandwidthlimit of 500. In 5 hours 
 I've transferred 400MiB of data, which is still far too high, 
 considering that I should be transferring 288MiB each way per day 
 (which is also too high).

The average is averaged over a week. I don't know when the counters get reset
but I have found that when you first start using the average it seems to
say aha, your average has been zero for the last 7 days, so I'll crank it up
to the max. It does start working correctly after a while, but seriously
I find the input and output (rather than average) work better and at the least
you should probably use in conjunction, until you have some data for the average
to work with.

That's just my experience and observation. 

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[freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?

2004-05-25 Thread Wayne McDougall
Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, May 25, 2004 at 05:04:53AM +, Wayne McDougall wrote:

 Not terribly well, because of high level bandwidth limiting. The node
 needs to know how much bandwidth is available to estimate how much is
 being used and therefore how many queries to allow.

With respect this seems insufficiently good enough for the real world
nature in which a node will run. People will want (I want) Freenet to
notice that its share of bandwidth has been dropped and to react accordingly.

Current messageSendTimeRequest seems a good measure of that.

So I naively ask can't we mroe dynamically adjust bandwidth caps down when we
see messageSendTimeRequest shoot up? Probably not...I suspect that would create
a vicious circle. Ok but isn';t there some measure Freenet can use to notice
it's getting choked and not to try and hog the connection?

Ok I am for all intents and purposes and innocent newbie whose just been
quitely running a node for two years, trying to share what bandwidth I can
because I think the project is worthwhile and bandwidth (so I've read)
is the greatest need. 

And certainly I've seen Freenet (when on a good enough build, which is usually
the case) sucks up every last byte of my bandwidth and I like to think that
that is being useful to someone somehow. I've assumed that if my 80 Gb
datastore fills up at 1 Gb per day, and Freenet still routes to and through
my meager 128/128 kbps line (even when I cap it lower) that, hey, maybe my 
node is useful or needed or something.

And when I see something new on COFE and follow the link and find 10% of the
data is already in my meagre 1.5 Gb store I think hey, it got there somehow.
I'm impressed with how well it works. Much better lately, thank you Toad.
And I'm amazed so many connections are to Sweden or Germany or such like. In
fact I've ever only noticed one (brief) connection to a New Zealand node. 
I'm not sure what that all means, except that even on a (by world standards)
a relatively low bandwidth node, Freenet is highly functional to me.

I'm rambling...my point is that I read and try to understand but I'm a 
newbie and may blather in my innocence...forgive my questionsand
comments. I don't expect agreement. But I throw them out anyway.

  I watch (with envy) discussions on bandwidth and pricing and (sadly) I
  think the world is moving more to caps (monthly limits) rather than open.
 
 It certainly is in Oz and NZ.

Indeed. And I notice the whining of people in the US when their providers move
them on to similar capped plans. Maybe the competition is strong enough to
mitigate that, but bandwidth ain't cheap and simple economics seems the way
to stop the leeches. I see it as a growing trend. But that's just my view.
Wish it would trend the other way.

 There is sadly no priority in it ATM. To help one user run a node in a
 wierd situation... hmm. I'll think about it.

Absolutely. You set the priorities. I have no expectations that anything 
would be done about it. Mostly I have a questions, which I think is still
unanswered:

How will a node respond if one set of connections has a high bandwidth cap
and another set of connections has a low bandwidth cap (assuming these caps
are applied externally). Does the node give its average recommendation on
retry intervals and load to ALL the connections? Will the high bandwidth
connections figure out this is a good node to deal with, even if I'm sending
out a retry interval based on averages.

Put another way: does freenet assume all my outgoing and incoming connections
have equal bandwidth throughput? Does that affect routing in a suboptimal
way?

Depending on your answers I may have other questions such as should I run
two nodes - one for high bandwidth only and one for low bandwidth? Blocking
connections from the wrong connection set? Or just what should I think of
doing in these cases?

Finally I'll just politely take issue with one user in a weird situation.
I don't think the situation is as weird as you might think. And it ain't 
just one user. I appreciate that it still won't be enough to be a priority.
I didn't expect that. But it may be as you work on infrastructure and future
changes you may give a little thought to how a few small changes in plans may
make it better for us in a weird situation.



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Re: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs

2004-05-25 Thread dave
How did you install Freenet, what version did you install, and what is
your operating system?  Can't explain what's wrong until you tell us what
you did.  Also did you edit the freenet.conf file manually by hand?

At first glance it looks like freenet.conf is corrupted so maybe try
deleting it and rerunning freenet.

 I install the last version of Freenet and nothing work. I can't open the
 gateway...
 There is an infinite loop and I really don't understand what is the
 problem.
 Someone can explain me what's wrong with Freenet ?
 Thanks.

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Jay Oliveri
On Tuesday 25 May 2004 06:36 am, Robert Greenage wrote:
 This appears to be a major blow to the development of freenet.Conrad is a
 major force behind the whole project.Without him I don't see any other
 developer capable of stepping up and filling the void. He has a good
 point with the constant code changes that do seem to be a shot in the
 dark There is a fuzziness of focus that has impeded the development of
 the project.

I'm not sure how long you've been around the project but to say you don't 
see any other developer capable of stepping up and filling the void is an 
overstatement.

I thought Conrad's main points were:

1) Fred takes too much CPU and RAM because it's written in Java.
2) The project has no focus.

I don't agree with either point in absolute terms, but there's always room 
for improvement.

 It saddens me to see a new significant idea come to fruition
 and then, for whatever reason(s) become bogged down in what appears to be
 an aimless series of attempts at correction. Conrad you will be missed.

Well some of these ideas worked on paper, and then didn't work when they 
were released into the wild.  Most of these ideas are untested, and do not 
have a prior-case to study and learn from.

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Troed Sngberg
On Tue, 25 May 2004 10:51:20 -0400, Jay Oliveri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1) Fred takes too much CPU and RAM because it's written in Java.
I hate this depate.
It's true that object orienting uses up (a few) more bytes than non-OO  
programming, but that's trivial compared to the structuring you (can) get  
with OO vs non-OO.

JIT Java (which we're all running) is also very speedy, there's only a few  
rare instances where it's worth the trouble to replace code with something  
natively instead.

On the other hand, it's quite easy to lose control with object creation,  
and to forget how to help the GC do the work most efficiently. That has  
nothing to do with Java in itself though.

/me - professional Software Engineer, well trained in C, C++ and Java  
(although mostly J2ME)

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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Christopher Brian Jack


On Tue, 25 May 2004, Ian Clarke wrote:

 That is a shame.  Clearly I don't agree with your reasoning, there is no
 evidence that any other language would not have similar or worse issues
 (consider the amount of time we would spend dealing with memory leaks
 and array overflows had we implemented in C++). As for focus,  our

Not to mention the issues with portability on a C/C++ implementation.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Paul Derbyshire
On 25 May 2004 at 13:37, Christopher Brian Jack wrote:

 
 
 On Tue, 25 May 2004, Ian Clarke wrote:
 
  That is a shame.  Clearly I don't agree with your reasoning, there is no
  evidence that any other language would not have similar or worse issues
  (consider the amount of time we would spend dealing with memory leaks
  and array overflows had we implemented in C++). As for focus,  our
 
 Not to mention the issues with portability on a C/C++ implementation.

Issues with portability? If we were talking a GUI app I'd agree with 
you, but the core of freenet is basically a pure backend is it not? 
The only visible UI most of the time on Windows is a systray icon or 
the Web interface; the latter's retrieved via HTTP and will work with 
any browser on any OS, and the former is not something Java supports 
directly anyway, so displaying a suitable icon in a suitable 
background-tasks part of the UI is system dependent any way you slice 
it, causing exactly as many portability headaches in Java as it would 
in C or C++ -- maybe more since you probably have to wrestle with the 
hairy JNI to pull it off, rather than just having one, platform 
dependent #idfef-filled source file with the appropriate functions 
duplicated for all the different supported platforms.
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Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project

2004-05-25 Thread Phillip Hutchings
On 26/05/2004, at 9:36 AM, Paul Derbyshire wrote:
... rather than just having one, platform
dependent #idfef-filled source file with the appropriate functions
duplicated for all the different supported platforms.
That's the perfect reason to use Java! It may not be the nicest code, 
but you only have one version! It makes maintainability far easier than 
#ifdef'd code, which is problematic at best. If one code base runs on 
all platforms, and even better if the same executable does, then why 
not use it?
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[freenet-support] Couldn't retrieve key

2004-05-25 Thread Leo Holland
I just found out about freenet and it sound so good!but I installed it and I can't get it working! I have Zonealarm installed and gave all of the programs full access, this is the error I get when triing to run it.

 Freenet   Route Not FoundNetwork Error   Couldn't retrieve key: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/GPL.txt Hops To Live: 10
Error: Route Not Found
Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes.
0 were totally unreachable.0 restarted.0 cleanly rejected.The request couldn't even make it off of your node. Try again, perhaps with the GPL to help your node learn about others. The publicly available seed nodes have been very busy lately. If possible try to get a friend to give you a reference to their node instead.
Route Not Found messages mean that your node, or the rest of the network, didn't find the data or enough nodes to send the request to. You should retry, with the same Hops-To-Live; if it persists, there may be a problem (check that your internet connection is working). Try reseeding your node, and if that doesn't work, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED].
Change Hops To Live to and   I tried the gpl and the live hop to 10, still no luckThanks Leo
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