[freenet-support] About Freenet protocol

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 12 September 2008 17:03, Andrew Surzhenko wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm a developer from Ukraine.
> I have to create small Freenet client (file sharing only), but it seems that 
it is problem to find Freenet protocol specification.
> Can you tell me, is it closed protocol, or where can I find this 
specification if it's possible...?
> Waiting for any news from you.

It is not a closed protocol, but it is continually evolving and not well 
documented. I don't believe that rewriting Freenet in C (or assembler for 
that matter) would dramatically improve performance, and a pure client will 
probably not be well integrated into the network i.e. be slow. Your best bet 
is probably to work on Freenet itself and then build a nice filesharing GUI 
(which can be proprietary if you need it to be), and bundle Freenet with it.
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
> With Best Regards,
> Andrew Surzhenko
> 
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[freenet-support] Autostarting Freenet on FreeBSD server

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 22 September 2008 10:44, skx wrote:
> How can I get Freenet to start when system starts? 
> 
> I tried Freenet_enable="YES" in rc.conf and @reboot entries in crontab but 
> it seems that Freenet starts too early and it is missing dependencies. 
> 
> Then I wrote my own script to run run.sh with a slight delay
> #! /bin/sh
> sleep 90
> sh /usr/freenet/freenet/run.sh start
> 
> and put 
> @reboot /usr/freenet/freenet.sh
> in freenet's crontab but it still doesn't start on boot. 
> 
> I am using FreeBSD 7, have freenet installed in /usr/freenet/freenet and 
> run it as user freenet. It works perfectly well (including binding to 
> port 80 and custom ip address, great piece of software) when run 
> manually. 

Have you tried cd'ing to the directory first?

Have you checked permissions?

Let us know if you find an answer...
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[freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 23 September 2008 05:29, Luke771 wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:56:13 -0700
> gofer  wrote:
> 
> > My terminology was wrong: I should have said 'inserts', not 'uploads'. 
> 
> for the most part we use the two terms interchangeably
> 
> >Under 'Current Activity' I see 'Inserts', 'Requests', and 'Transferring 
Requests'.
> 
> Ah, that's what you meant?
> I thought you were talking about the upload/download (formerly 'queue') page
> If you were talking about the Current Activity page, you can disregard my 
answer to the other thread you initiated.
> 
> >I know that other nodes send requests, and that chunks of files are then 
sent to those nodes, but I thought I had to initiate an 'Insert'.
> 
> Yes you have to initiate an insert. That's when you choose a file from your 
box and upload it to the freenet distributed storage. That's an insert, which 
we often refer to as an upload.
> 
> > So, is an 'insert' and an 'upload' the same thing?
> 
> Even tho we often refer to insertions as 'uploads' that's not really the 
same thing. Techincally, an upload is something from your datastore 
(therefore already inserted into freenet) that's being transferred from your 
node to another. That's an upload. Content already on freenet.
> 
> An insert on the other hand, is a file that you have on your box and you 
wish to make available on freenet, so you 'insert' it. This is often referred 
to as 'uploading' to freenet, it may sound kind of of confusing but most of 
the times when we say 'uploading' but mean 'inserting', the real meaning is 
self-evident from the contest (if not, just ask)
> 
> > 
> > Also, would any files being inserted come from the cache? Or are any other 
folders on my computer 'shared'?
> 
> Uploaded can come to cache. A file that's traveling to node A to node D 
through nodes B and C, is copied into the cache of all the boxes along the 
way (B and C). But an upload can also come from your store, when the files 
(or encrypted chunks) that are being trasnmitted are found in your store 
rather than using your node as a transit point along a route.
>  
> 
> NOTE: Everything in this post may be bullshit. I can't code and I don't 
really understand Freenet, I can only use it. I 'think' I have understood 
some concepts but don't take my word for revealed truth. At least not until 
someone more competent confirms what I say (or calls it BS).

And most of it is. :)

There is no difference. But the stats on the homepage are *low level* inserts, 
being passed through your node. On the downloads/uploads page, we are talking 
about high level inserts originated by you.
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[freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 21 September 2008 03:16, Art Charbonneau wrote:
> On my freenet homepage I noticed in the stats that 5 uploads were active 
even though I had not initiated any uploads. Is this normal, or is something 
amiss?
>  
>  Also, when Firefox (ver 3.02) comes up, there is no menu item 'Tools', so I 
can't disable the cache or history. Can I change this somewhere?

They should already be disabled.
>  
>  Running version 0.7, latest build, and Vista.
>  
>  Thanks
>  Gofer
>  
>
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[freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Luke771
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:56:13 -0700
gofer  wrote:

> My terminology was wrong: I should have said 'inserts', not 'uploads'. 

for the most part we use the two terms interchangeably

>Under 'Current Activity' I see 'Inserts', 'Requests', and 'Transferring 
>Requests'.

Ah, that's what you meant?
I thought you were talking about the upload/download (formerly 'queue') page
If you were talking about the Current Activity page, you can disregard my 
answer to the other thread you initiated.

>I know that other nodes send requests, and that chunks of files are then sent 
>to those nodes, but I thought I had to initiate an 'Insert'.

Yes you have to initiate an insert. That's when you choose a file from your box 
and upload it to the freenet distributed storage. That's an insert, which we 
often refer to as an upload.

> So, is an 'insert' and an 'upload' the same thing?

Even tho we often refer to insertions as 'uploads' that's not really the same 
thing. Techincally, an upload is something from your datastore (therefore 
already inserted into freenet) that's being transferred from your node to 
another. That's an upload. Content already on freenet.

An insert on the other hand, is a file that you have on your box and you wish 
to make available on freenet, so you 'insert' it. This is often referred to as 
'uploading' to freenet, it may sound kind of of confusing but most of the times 
when we say 'uploading' but mean 'inserting', the real meaning is self-evident 
from the contest (if not, just ask)

> 
> Also, would any files being inserted come from the cache? Or are any other 
> folders on my computer 'shared'?

Uploaded can come to cache. A file that's traveling to node A to node D through 
nodes B and C, is copied into the cache of all the boxes along the way (B and 
C). But an upload can also come from your store, when the files (or encrypted 
chunks) that are being trasnmitted are found in your store rather than using 
your node as a transit point along a route.


NOTE: Everything in this post may be bullshit. I can't code and I don't really 
understand Freenet, I can only use it. I 'think' I have understood some 
concepts but don't take my word for revealed truth. At least not until someone 
more competent confirms what I say (or calls it BS).


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[freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Luke771
On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:05:35 -0400
urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:

>On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Art Charbonneau wrote:
>>  On my freenet homepage I noticed in the stats that 5 uploads were active
>> even though I had not initiated any uploads. Is this normal, or is something
>> amiss?


> Yes, that is normal. People are downloading files from you. That's how
> Freenet works.


No it's not. I've been using freenet for years and I never heard about other 
people'd download showing up as uploads in your freenet page (why should they? 
They're not downloading from you as they would on say eMule)

If those uploades are queued, somebody or something added them to the queue. 
What probably happened is that the uploads were initiated in Thaw or Frost.



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[freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Luke771
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:16:19 -0700
Art Charbonneau  wrote:

> On my freenet homepage I noticed in the stats that 5 uploads were active even 
> though I had not initiated any uploads. Is this normal, or is something amiss?

You sure you didnt start the uploads from another app, like Thaw?

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Re: [freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 21 September 2008 03:16, Art Charbonneau wrote:
 On my freenet homepage I noticed in the stats that 5 uploads were active 
even though I had not initiated any uploads. Is this normal, or is something 
amiss?
  
  Also, when Firefox (ver 3.02) comes up, there is no menu item 'Tools', so I 
can't disable the cache or history. Can I change this somewhere?

They should already be disabled.
  
  Running version 0.7, latest build, and Vista.
  
  Thanks
  Gofer
  



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Re: [freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tuesday 23 September 2008 05:29, Luke771 wrote:
 On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:56:13 -0700
 gofer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  My terminology was wrong: I should have said 'inserts', not 'uploads'. 
 
 for the most part we use the two terms interchangeably
 
 Under 'Current Activity' I see 'Inserts', 'Requests', and 'Transferring 
Requests'.
 
 Ah, that's what you meant?
 I thought you were talking about the upload/download (formerly 'queue') page
 If you were talking about the Current Activity page, you can disregard my 
answer to the other thread you initiated.
 
 I know that other nodes send requests, and that chunks of files are then 
sent to those nodes, but I thought I had to initiate an 'Insert'.
 
 Yes you have to initiate an insert. That's when you choose a file from your 
box and upload it to the freenet distributed storage. That's an insert, which 
we often refer to as an upload.
 
  So, is an 'insert' and an 'upload' the same thing?
 
 Even tho we often refer to insertions as 'uploads' that's not really the 
same thing. Techincally, an upload is something from your datastore 
(therefore already inserted into freenet) that's being transferred from your 
node to another. That's an upload. Content already on freenet.
 
 An insert on the other hand, is a file that you have on your box and you 
wish to make available on freenet, so you 'insert' it. This is often referred 
to as 'uploading' to freenet, it may sound kind of of confusing but most of 
the times when we say 'uploading' but mean 'inserting', the real meaning is 
self-evident from the contest (if not, just ask)
 
  
  Also, would any files being inserted come from the cache? Or are any other 
folders on my computer 'shared'?
 
 Uploaded can come to cache. A file that's traveling to node A to node D 
through nodes B and C, is copied into the cache of all the boxes along the 
way (B and C). But an upload can also come from your store, when the files 
(or encrypted chunks) that are being trasnmitted are found in your store 
rather than using your node as a transit point along a route.
  
 
 NOTE: Everything in this post may be bullshit. I can't code and I don't 
really understand Freenet, I can only use it. I 'think' I have understood 
some concepts but don't take my word for revealed truth. At least not until 
someone more competent confirms what I say (or calls it BS).

And most of it is. :)

There is no difference. But the stats on the homepage are *low level* inserts, 
being passed through your node. On the downloads/uploads page, we are talking 
about high level inserts originated by you.


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Re: [freenet-support] About Freenet protocol

2008-09-23 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 12 September 2008 17:03, Andrew Surzhenko wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I'm a developer from Ukraine.
 I have to create small Freenet client (file sharing only), but it seems that 
it is problem to find Freenet protocol specification.
 Can you tell me, is it closed protocol, or where can I find this 
specification if it's possible...?
 Waiting for any news from you.

It is not a closed protocol, but it is continually evolving and not well 
documented. I don't believe that rewriting Freenet in C (or assembler for 
that matter) would dramatically improve performance, and a pure client will 
probably not be well integrated into the network i.e. be slow. Your best bet 
is probably to work on Freenet itself and then build a nice filesharing GUI 
(which can be proprietary if you need it to be), and bundle Freenet with it.
 
 Thank you for your time.
 
 With Best Regards,
 Andrew Surzhenko
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Re: [freenet-support] Unauthorized upload?

2008-09-23 Thread Luke771
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:56:23 +0100
Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There is no difference. But the stats on the homepage are *low level* 
 inserts, 
 being passed through your node. On the downloads/uploads page, we are talking 
 about high level inserts originated by you.

OK, disregard my previous message, I finally realized the sense of Toad's 
answer. I had added that  'insert' vs. 'upload' distintion that I had made up.

The UL/DL page is only abouot insert (or uploads) originated by you, while the 
stats page is about inserts (or uploads) that your node uploads, no matter who 
originate them, but calling the former 'inserts' and the latter 'uploads' is 
bogus. (it is right now, but it could be an idea)

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