Re: [freenet-support] No subject
l...@hushmail.com a écrit : The viewer can see, as did I, that “Fetch over Freenet is checked AND that it says, “This is untraceable, safe….” NOW, untraceable means anonymous. The other choice available is to, “Fetch over the web from Freenet’s central servers…and is “TRACEABLE”, meaning NOT ANONYMOUS! The meaning is : “Fetch over Freenet, this is untraceable, safe….: To download the plugin, you use freenet (of course this is safe). “Fetch over the web from Freenet’s central servers…and is “TRACEABLE To download the plugin, you go out of freenet and from the web, in the big dark forest, using your browser and all nude, you go to freenet's central servers. and this obviously is traceable and not safe, since you are not using freenet anymore... (of course, doing this, you still can use Tor, or jap for some protection) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] No subject
Evan Daniel a écrit : On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: Hello. I hope this is OK. It’s quite long. I wonder if anyone can help with this/these question/s-comment/s in the form of clarification. I hope it doesn’t seem too petty but I wonder if others go through the same confusion as I. On this page: http://127.0.0.1:/plugins/ one can go to: “Load Official Plugin” The viewer can see, as did I, that “Fetch over Freenet is checked AND that it says, “This is untraceable, safe….” NOW, untraceable means anonymous. The other choice available is to, “Fetch over the web from Freenet’s central servers…and is “TRACEABLE”, meaning NOT ANONYMOUS! (Freenet isn’t safe?) On this page: FREEMAIL-SETUP http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:u...@xog49gnltumtjjzj0fvzugdpo4hjusy2us GQkjE7NY4,EtUH5b9gGpp8JiY-Bm-Y9kHX1q-yDjD- 9oRzXn21O9k,AQACAAE/freemail/4/setup/index.html It clearly directs one method of using the same plugin page as my beginning comment above (Load Official Plugin), with the “only” comment for that choice being that it is NOT ANONYMOUS! So, is one correct to assume that the first directive is false, misleading and/or has been tampered with (edited) by someone with bad intent? Or is it the second one? One point I am trying to make here is that this can cause some immediate doubt and confusion in someone new to Freenet. I am concerned because the world needs Freenet and Tor more than they might consciously know. I recently saw figures about the estimated number of users for both, and the numbers were very small. They are small enough that large arrays of computers, set around the world and networked, are capable of watching ALL nodes and gathering the data to be analyzed. Look at Tor. On the Network Map (of the world), there are nodes running in sequential order, and all these are located in the same place – near the CIA in the US. Some of these sequential orders are showing up in other locations around the Tor network. I have found Freenet to be so frustrating and confusing to set up and use, that as I search the web for information that is clear and helpful, I keep coming across more comments from Users who are quitting the program. Now it does make sense to me, that with anonymity programs, the more using them, the better and more safely anonymous it is for all. But, it seems the numbers are dwindling. I don’t know. I have used Tor for about 4 years. I recently went to its Hidden Wiki and about one half of all its services were gone! So, I wonder, as do others, is Tor is dying out? I really don’t want to see that for Tor or Freenet. If one goes to: http://127.0.0.1:/plugins/ first, before finding the .jar or .zip download page (supposedly both are anonymous but of course, IT DOESN’T SAY, then they might make a very bad choice solely from being confused by the directions. So, while this might seem very petty and/or trivial to (I don’t know-most who might read this), it is very important to write directions for the reader, not the writer! In Tor, the Hidden Services may be tampered with, changed, purposely to be misleading and dangerous, by those who want to destroy anonymity and our right to it. They use anonymity to try and destroy anonymity, except for them, of course. Is this also possible with the Freenet pages of “howto’s?” Can they be edited so that one is not aware of what is true, accurate and good for the User? Anyway, I am once more trying to set up Freenet, Freemail and Frost and am close to quitting. If I were more knowledgeable, I would write “howto’s” but I am not. It seems all I am is frustrated. One last thing, at Freemail-Setup, it tells me to download Freemail. The next bit of ‘howto’ is setting it up for “command line version setup”. I’m not doing that. I don’t know the pros and cons of command line Freemail. At the end of that instruction it says, “Now you have Freemail proxy running….” I DO? How? I didn’t do that so what the fuck happened? Does the download set it up or does it have to be set up after it’s downloaded? The latter makes sense to me but, it is now telling me I already have it running without doing anything. So, why the instructions? I mean, C’mon! I have to go by what the writer writes, right? Since it tells me I have it up and running, where is it? I can’t find it. These instructions are telling me to insert the long Freemail address I was given. I was given? When? Where? I haven’t done anything yet but the directions jump from something I don’t want to do and didn’t do, to, “I’m up and running!” This is a joke right? It’s only for those who are IT smart, meaning very few, and anonymity will be shot on site. Just before it gets to THUNDERBIRD, it tells me, “Remember that the Freemail.jar program needs to be running whilst you are reading and sending emails. So, where is it? There is no window to put in any information. Perhaps if I could get some help, yeah, I might be able to help others. Sorry for the rant but
Re: [freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 49, Issue 10
well, i'm free right now, although at a clients by myself. What is your number? Bob 2009/10/11 support-requ...@freenetproject.org Send Support mailing list submissions to support@freenetproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to support-requ...@freenetproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at support-ow...@freenetproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Support digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: No subject (Dsoslglece) 2. Re: No subject (Dsoslglece) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:31:49 +0200 From: Dsoslglece dsoslgl...@orange.fr Subject: Re: [freenet-support] No subject To: support@freenetproject.org Message-ID: 4ad197f5.20...@orange.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 l...@hushmail.com a ?crit : The viewer can see, as did I, that ?Fetch over Freenet is checked AND that it says, ?This is untraceable, safe?.? NOW, untraceable means anonymous. The other choice available is to, ?Fetch over the web from Freenet?s central servers?and is ?TRACEABLE?, meaning NOT ANONYMOUS! The meaning is : ?Fetch over Freenet, this is untraceable, safe?.: To download the plugin, you use freenet (of course this is safe). ?Fetch over the web from Freenet?s central servers?and is ?TRACEABLE To download the plugin, you go out of freenet and from the web, in the big dark forest, using your browser and all nude, you go to freenet's central servers. and this obviously is traceable and not safe, since you are not using freenet anymore... (of course, doing this, you still can use Tor, or jap for some protection) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20091011/bf586d37/attachment.htm -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:08:43 +0200 From: Dsoslglece dsoslgl...@orange.fr Subject: Re: [freenet-support] No subject To: ev...@pobox.com, support@freenetproject.org Message-ID: 4ad1a09b.3070...@orange.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Evan Daniel a ?crit : On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:13 PM, l...@hushmail.com wrote: Hello. I hope this is OK. It?s quite long. I wonder if anyone can help with this/these question/s-comment/s in the form of clarification. I hope it doesn?t seem too petty but I wonder if others go through the same confusion as I. On this page: http://127.0.0.1:/plugins/ one can go to: ?Load Official Plugin? The viewer can see, as did I, that ?Fetch over Freenet is checked AND that it says, ?This is untraceable, safe?.? NOW, untraceable means anonymous. The other choice available is to, ?Fetch over the web from Freenet?s central servers?and is ?TRACEABLE?, meaning NOT ANONYMOUS! (Freenet isn?t safe?) On this page: FREEMAIL-SETUP http://127.0.0.1:/freenet:u...@xog49gnltumtjjzj0fvzugdpo4hjusy2us GQkjE7NY4,EtUH5b9gGpp8JiY-Bm-Y9kHX1q-yDjD- 9oRzXn21O9k,AQACAAE/freemail/4/setup/index.html It clearly directs one method of using the same plugin page as my beginning comment above (Load Official Plugin), with the ?only? comment for that choice being that it is NOT ANONYMOUS! So, is one correct to assume that the first directive is false, misleading and/or has been tampered with (edited) by someone with bad intent? Or is it the second one? One point I am trying to make here is that this can cause some immediate doubt and confusion in someone new to Freenet. I am concerned because the world needs Freenet and Tor more than they might consciously know. I recently saw figures about the estimated number of users for both, and the numbers were very small. They are small enough that large arrays of computers, set around the world and networked, are capable of watching ALL nodes and gathering the data to be analyzed. Look at Tor. On the Network Map (of the world), there are nodes running in sequential order, and all these are located in the same place ? near the CIA in the US. Some of these sequential orders are showing up in other locations around the Tor network. I have found Freenet to be so frustrating and confusing to set up and use, that as I search the web for information that is clear and helpful, I keep coming across more comments from Users who are quitting the program. Now it does make sense to me, that with anonymity programs, the more using them, the better and more safely anonymous it is for all. But, it seems the numbers are dwindling. I don?t know. I have used Tor for about 4 years. I recently went to its Hidden Wiki and about one half of all its services were gone
Re: [freenet-support] Privacy (Was: No subject)
VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote: This point has already been answered, but i feel that there is a point that can be made here by answering it again. When you fetch something from the regular internet, the request is easily traceable back to you. The warning that you see tells you that for that reason. The question is how did you get Freenet to run? If you have downloaded the installer from the official freenet site, or even if you have just visited the site without the use of Tor, somebody can potentially see that. It's the same with plug-ins. Anyhow, back to my original point. When you download plugin (or anything else Freenet-related) from the Web, you identify yourself as a user of Freenet. That (in and of itself) does not tell anybody exactly what you say on Freenet (although may identify how you say that... downloading Freemail says that you will be sending Freemail messages, downloading Frost says you will be a frost user, etc.) When you run Freenet, it will generate a specific pattern of network usage and it would not be too hard for an ISP to map a large part of the Freenet nodes if it has a few nodes on its network. (It is also possible to map the network by adding a monitoring node, no real privacy leak here for Opennet nodes.) Assume The Internet knows you are running a Freenet node. And your ISP (and relevant uplinks) are able to detect that you're running a Darknet node! ISPs should not know what you're reading over Freenet, but I would not be surprised if they could do traffic analysis and determine whether you're downloading or uploading large files. (Has someone tried and published before?) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] freenet newbie: wrapper warning message
Hi, I am new to Freenet. I have searched the archives but can find no clear answers to my questions. I am running Ubuntu 9.04, with a KDE desktop. I successfully almost installed Freenet from the webpage using the java installer, it only had one hiccup: when installing it reported : Enabling auto-start. Installing cron job to start Freenet on reboot... /home/bobs/Freenet/bin/install_autostart.sh: 3: [[: not found Installed cron job. But seems happy, and is running. Is the 'install_autostart.sh .. not found' anything to worry about? I also notice that when first starting, and in the wrapper.log file the following warning: Starting Freenet 0.7... STATUS | wrapper | 2009/10/11 23:27:19 | -- Wrapper Started as Daemon STATUS | wrapper | 2009/10/11 23:27:19 | Launching a JVM... INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/10/11 23:27:19 | WrapperManager: Initializing... INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/10/11 23:27:20 | WrapperManager: WARNING - The Wrapper jar file currently in use is version 3.3.1 INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/10/11 23:27:20 | WrapperManager: while the version of the Wrapper which launched this JVM is INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/10/11 23:27:20 | WrapperManager: 3.2.3. INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/10/11 23:27:20 | WrapperManager: The Wrapper may appear to work correctly but some features may INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/10/11 23:27:20 | WrapperManager: not function correctly. This configuration has not been tested INFO | jvm 1 | 2009/10/11 23:27:20 | WrapperManager: and is not supported. Is this anything to worry about? Or better still, is there a way to fix it? Many thanks ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Can't get Freenet to work
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 6:08 AM, Ronald Quinn qronal...@gmail.com wrote: I have downloaded freenet and installed it.After It was done It said it had successfully installed but when I try to run it this message appears: Freenet start script was unable to start the freenet system service. Please reinstall freenet If the problem keeps occurring, please report this error to the developers. I've reinstalled it several times and it did no good. I'm not the most computer savvy person and I was wondering if I could get any help on the matter. thank you, Ron What operating system? Which installer did you use? -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. - Voltaire Those who would give up Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet installation problem
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM, ahmed mohamed fall mohamed...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear sirs While trying to install freenet, at the end, I received this error message : Freener start script was unable to control the Freenet system as it appears to be stuck. Please reinstall Freenet. If the problem keeps occuring, please report this message error to the developers I reinstalled Freenet but the problem persists So, I contact you to get solutioi to this problem Congratulations and Regards AHMED OULD MOHAMED FALL MOBILE : + 222 631 12 39 ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe What operating system? Which installer did you use? -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. - Voltaire Those who would give up Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] problems with internet
I've had that problem before actually, though it was on Freenet 0.5. Is there still a way to set bandwidth limits? That's what I had to do. Freenet saturated the network so heavily that while it was running _nothing_ else would work. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Juiceman juicema...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:11 AM, lostser...@safe-mail.net wrote: hi. Internet through a router. after installing freenet, lost internet in opera, mozila, ie8 emule and utorrent working properly. how to fix? It is possible that Freenet traffic is overloading your poor router, though if you can torrent this seems unlikely. Please try rebooting your DSL/Cable modem and router. If that doesn't work, shut down Freenet and see if that is the problem; if it is, I'm sorry to say uninstall Freenet or replace your router. -- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. - Voltaire Those who would give up Liberty, to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Brian Flowers Webmaster, PSU Amnesty International http://clubs.psu.edu/up/amnesty President, PSU Students for a Sensible Drug Policy http://PennStateSSDP.org Vice President, PSU Linux Users Group http://clubs.psu.edu/up/lug Treasurer, PSU Amateur Radio Club http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/k3cr/ Deveoper, FCON (Freenet Classic OpenNet) http://fcon.sourceforge.net ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
