Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Richard Thomas Harrison
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Mika Hirvonen randomly hit the keyboard and managed to write on 21/03/2004 21:38:

Max Moritz Sievers wrote:

On Sunday 21 March 2004 13:28, Niklas Bergh wrote:
 

You mean like we do with
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2
  
That's nice to know but update.sh doesn't use it. So I guess most 
Freenet-users download the big uncompressed file.
 

Yes, it does. The code to download and uncompress the bzipped seednodes 
has been there since January. Try downloading 
http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.tgz, it should 
contain the latest version of update.sh.
However, the version that is pulled down by Fred and placed into the distrib
folder doesn't.
 update.sh
#!/bin/bash
wget http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar -O freenet.jar
wget http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref -O seednodes.ref
touch -d "1/1/1970" seednodes.ref
# so we don't reseed unless necessary

I have re-written it thus...

 update.sh
#!/bin/bash
# make sure we only get the newest versions.
wget -N http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.jar
wget -N http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2
# Use copy so that we keep the original name (could use ln -s)
# for later retrieval comparison.
cp freenet-latest.jar freenet.jar
# Unpack seednodes.ref but keep the original bz2 for later
# retrieval comparison.
bzip2 -dkf seednodes.ref.bz2
touch -d "1/1/1970" seednodes.ref
# so we don't reseed unless necessary

Richard
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Re: [freenet-support] Route not found - stability next generationrouting

2004-03-21 Thread Niklas Bergh
> 2) Even after having the node up for a wile and(!)
> successfully downloading content, the node more often
> fails to route the request to other nodes than before
> NG-routing. Wihtout NG routing I was able to have
> request returned with 25 HTL with a "data not found"
> error - a clear indication that the data was not there
> for sure. With NG routing I am having trouble to get a
> data-not found message at all, most of the errors I
> only get "route not found" with 1 or 2 nodes or even 0
> being contacted.

This is probably due to the recent Rate limiting facilites more than to
NGRouting.. Ratelimiting will cause RNFs when your node overloads it
neighbours with requests..

> Now to my questions:
> a) is there a way to make my freenet node try to
> contact NEW nodes more often? For example by more
> aggressivle cleaning up the routing table?

Well.. you could try increasing the size of the routing table maybe..

> b) How can I tweak routing that my node (AFTER
> successfully receiving data!) does no longer think, it
> does no know where to deliver the requests to?
> c) Why does my node deliver "route not found" errors
> with onlny a few (<< 5) other nodes it tried to
> contact? How can I make it contact more nodes? (> 20)

This probably is partly due to a bug or two..however.. there might also be
valid reasons for this behaviour..it is not impossible that your node
doesn't _have_ any more nodes to contact (your node might have reached its
request quota for all other nodes it knows about for instance etc.)

> d) Do nodes tell each other about the nodes they know?

Yes.. information about other, new nodes are passed along within certain
freenet messages.

> e) is it easy to get involved in the freenet
> development?

Yes, quite easy.. however.. the code isn't eceptionally well documented..

/N

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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Mika Hirvonen
Max Moritz Sievers wrote:

On Sunday 21 March 2004 13:28, Niklas Bergh wrote:
 

You mean like we do with
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2
   

That's nice to know but update.sh doesn't use it. So I guess most 
Freenet-users download the big uncompressed file.
 

Yes, it does. The code to download and uncompress the bzipped seednodes 
has been there since January. Try downloading 
http://www.freenetproject.org/snapshots/freenet-latest.tgz, it should 
contain the latest version of update.sh.

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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Max Moritz Sievers
On Sunday 21 March 2004 13:28, Niklas Bergh wrote:
> You mean like we do with
> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2

That's nice to know but update.sh doesn't use it. So I guess most 
Freenet-users download the big uncompressed file.

BTW: I'm on the list.

with regards,
Max Moritz Sievers

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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Michal Charemza
S wrote:

1MB doesn't sound unusual. 905 distinct nodes in 1MB's worth of space
does sound unusual. What's the date on your seednodes.ref? 

12th October 2003... that does seem a bit old.

Maybe it's
using the classic routing scheme, with no estimators.
Looking at http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref I notice 
that there are lines like

Estimator.epDNF.Store.d.Key=00d8e5dde97ac2f83d9b80f457aa744a38b1d8de8253833f
Estimator.epDNF.Store.d.Time=3f1c562a
Which are NOT present in my seednodes.ref. Now I have no idea what 
estimators are (bit of a newbie), but it does look like I'm not using them.

Maybe you're
counting the entries incorrectly?
 

Each one has 12 lines, 10860 lines in total, 10860/12=905. Didn't check 
every entry had 12 lines, but if definitely looked like it.

Unless you're having connection problems, I'd ignore it. If you are
having connection problems, shut down your node, delete the lsnodes_a,
lsnodes_b, ngrt_global_a, ngrt_global_b, rtnodes_a, rtnodes_b, rtprops_a,
and rtprops_b files from your Freenet directory, download the latest
seednodes.ref from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots, and restart your
node.
 

Well I wasn't really having too many problem, but I did that anyway, as 
my seednodes.ref does seem to be in the old format.

Thanks,

Michal.
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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread S
1MB doesn't sound unusual. 905 distinct nodes in 1MB's worth of space
does sound unusual. What's the date on your seednodes.ref? Maybe it's
using the classic routing scheme, with no estimators. Maybe you're
counting the entries incorrectly?

I just checked the 1.9MB seednodes.ref in snapshots,

$ lynx --dump http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref | grep "physical.tcp" 
| wc -l
130

And my local node references file (2MB),

$ lynx --dump http://stable.frnt.net/noderefs.txt | grep "physical.tcp" | wc -l
129

So ~2 megs, ~130 nodes, not necessarily distinct. That seems about
average as of late. 905 refs in 1MB does sound weird. 

Unless you're having connection problems, I'd ignore it. If you are
having connection problems, shut down your node, delete the lsnodes_a,
lsnodes_b, ngrt_global_a, ngrt_global_b, rtnodes_a, rtnodes_b, rtprops_a,
and rtprops_b files from your Freenet directory, download the latest
seednodes.ref from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots, and restart your
node.

-s

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:52:27 +
Michal Charemza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> My seednodes.ref is nearly 1mb in size, with (I worked out) 905 entries 
> in it. I've downloaded a couple from freenet, and they're both a lot 
> smaller, with about 50 entries. The one from Reskill has 49 entries. Is 
> the size of my seednodes.ref normal? I'm using build 5076.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michal.
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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Mika Hirvonen
Max Moritz Sievers wrote:

This bings me to mind why don't we compress the 
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref with gzip or bzip2?
 

We do.

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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Niklas Bergh
You mean like we do with
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref.bz2

:)
/N

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> This bings me to mind why don't we compress the
> http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref with gzip or bzip2?
>
> with regards,
> Max Moritz Sievers
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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Michal Charemza
Ok... seing that the seednodes.ref on the snapshot site is 2.5 mb, maybe 
my 1 mb isn't that big.
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Re: [freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Max Moritz Sievers
This bings me to mind why don't we compress the 
http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/seednodes.ref with gzip or bzip2?

with regards,
Max Moritz Sievers

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[freenet-support] seednodes.ref abnormally large?

2004-03-21 Thread Michal Charemza
Hi,

My seednodes.ref is nearly 1mb in size, with (I worked out) 905 entries 
in it. I've downloaded a couple from freenet, and they're both a lot 
smaller, with about 50 entries. The one from Reskill has 49 entries. Is 
the size of my seednodes.ref normal? I'm using build 5076.

Thanks,

Michal.
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